Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week. They'm welcome back, guys
Speaker 1: to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris and on this
Speaker 1: podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest players
Speaker 1: in television.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great questions. The show's about the game. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of great television out there in Australia.
Speaker 1: But I've also got to go behind the scenes with writers.
Speaker 1: The truth is, when I started writing it, it wasn't
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the news and casting agents.
Speaker 2: They know from a casting point of view what they need.
Speaker 1: And editors because that's what we do as editors where storytellers.
Speaker 1: Not to forget some incredible executive producers who are making
Speaker 1: some of the best TV in Australia.
Speaker 2: I have been on the program since the beginning and
Speaker 2: it's kind of in my DNA.
Speaker 1: So thanks for joining me each week and I hope
Speaker 1: the podcast continues to give you real insight into the
Speaker 1: magic of television today. On the podcast, I have Michelle,
Speaker 1: who is the latest castaway to be eliminated from Channel
Speaker 1: Ten's Australian Survivor, joining the popular reality TV competition themed
Speaker 1: Blood Versus Water. The Twins sister was not something Michelle
Speaker 1: had foreseen in her future, but with a slight twist
Speaker 1: of the arm, both twins took part in the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two competition and made it all the way to
Speaker 1: a rightful spot on the jury. I thought I wouldn't
Speaker 1: get a chance to have such an open and honest
Speaker 1: conversation with Michelle because there's been so much said about
Speaker 1: her lack of screen time that I worried it might
Speaker 1: be too controversial to ask about her take on the
Speaker 1: editing process. But guys, I did ask a lot of
Speaker 1: those questions. I was able to tackle those questions in
Speaker 1: a way where everyone felt comfortable and to be honest,
Speaker 1: MY main concern was making sure that Michelle was comfortable
Speaker 1: with this interview, as I really respected her gameplay on
Speaker 1: the show. There are some really interesting insights in this chat,
Speaker 1: and I loved every minute that I have with Michelle
Speaker 1: because there was this immediate warmth and honesty that made
Speaker 1: me realize that we could all do with some Melan
Speaker 1: Michelle values in our life. However, let's bring in. Let's
Speaker 1: get started. I'd like to welcome Michelle to tape, Raylad.
Speaker 2: I really don't have any ill feelings with anyone on
Speaker 2: Australian Survivor. My initial reaction was, what the heck? Why Michelle?
Speaker 2: That was a hell of a battle with me not
Speaker 2: doing an impact on my sister being on the show,
Speaker 2: and they said, definitely, Michelle, need to bring me a torch.
Speaker 2: There's just more to the game than what you see
Speaker 2: on TV. Seventeenth person heard it out before, a person
Speaker 2: going to purgatory. I know who I wouldn't give it
Speaker 2: to right now, but there's still more to the game
Speaker 2: to be played.
Speaker 3: Hi, Michelle, how are you. I'm going well, how are
Speaker 3: your feelings? Watching the show last night?
Speaker 2: I actually was looking forward to the episode that I
Speaker 2: knew that I was about to go, but I just
Speaker 2: wanted to see how they would do it, because it's
Speaker 2: like I'm out and then I'm in and then I'm
Speaker 2: out again. All in all, I am. I feel like
Speaker 2: I me at peace with everything. So whatever hap happened,
Speaker 2: how I went out, how I was just centimeters away
Speaker 2: from the bucket, like it hit the rim. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm just so happy that those three get to go
Speaker 2: back and you know, trying to shake things up.
Speaker 3: How beautiful.
Speaker 1: Though I thought you were so humble, that probably is
Speaker 1: the most humble eggit I've ever seen in Survivor history.
Speaker 3: Michelle, that was a hell of a battle, but you
Speaker 3: just came up short. What's the feeling.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm so proud of everyone, so proud, okay,
Speaker 2: j But now I'm going to miss everyone. I know
Speaker 2: it's a game and I wish everybody the best of luck.
Speaker 3: You know, where do you learn how to be so
Speaker 3: humble like that from.
Speaker 2: I think it's just my upbringing, you know, it's just
Speaker 2: you know, coming from Hong Kong, we are quite humble about.
Speaker 2: We are quite gracious when we lose, and we thank everybody.
Speaker 2: I think it just comes from my cultural upbringing that
Speaker 2: I'm just like thankful and I really don't have any
Speaker 2: ill feelings with anyone. I created such strong bonds like
Speaker 2: we still talk today. There's a big part of my
Speaker 2: life in Australia. They know that. So yeah, it was
Speaker 2: just a great opportunity, especially during lockdown, to just meet
Speaker 2: these new people.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I need to hire you as
Speaker 1: like a mentor or an advisor on how to deal
Speaker 1: with things in life better.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I've gone through quite a lot in
Speaker 2: my life, especially just beforehand, as well just before the
Speaker 2: show aired. So I think that, you know, like we
Speaker 2: shouldn't take life for granted. Everything happens for a reason
Speaker 2: and we just have to get on with it.
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to get into that in a minute,
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to say about last night's episode.
Speaker 1: There's smart gameplay and then there are just blatant lies.
Speaker 1: How did you feel about getting that vote from Sammy
Speaker 1: in the tribal council straight after her promise to you
Speaker 1: that she wouldn't vote for you.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean we as I now know, in the
Speaker 2: game of Survivor with you know, those promises I could
Speaker 2: potentially be empty promises, but I I know sam and
Speaker 2: that she was probably put in that situation where she
Speaker 2: had to write my name down, maybe not to rock
Speaker 2: the boat with her tight alliance of six.
Speaker 3: I hope that it is a puzzle at Purgatory and
Speaker 3: I get to say you back because I've enjoyed playing
Speaker 3: my game.
Speaker 2: Give my breathing. Me and her are actually very close.
Speaker 2: We had, you know, an amazing journey together from the
Speaker 2: start to where we were at. You know, my initial
Speaker 2: reaction was what the heck why? And you know, we
Speaker 2: had this way of telling each other that we were
Speaker 2: safe at that tribal council because we swapped songs like
Speaker 2: I had her yellow one and she had my red
Speaker 2: one to show that this is me showing you that
Speaker 2: you're safe because you're taking my stuff away if we do.
Speaker 2: But I guess the plan changed right in the last minute,
Speaker 2: and unfortunately I had to go to purgatory and she
Speaker 2: didn't know and we had to quickly swap it back after.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, you definitely could say that you had a friendship,
Speaker 1: maybe not an alliance, but I think that you definitely
Speaker 1: both had a very strong friendship.
Speaker 2: Definitely. I feel I felt that we had many laughs,
Speaker 2: many tears. We shared many tears, many laughs, ma any
Speaker 2: moments that I'm grateful for, because you don't get those
Speaker 2: types of friendship in you know, everyday life. You know,
Speaker 2: we did create a strong bond with each other whether
Speaker 2: and unfortunately I just wasn't part of the alliance of six.
Speaker 2: And I was happy to see what she said. You know,
Speaker 2: when she read my name out. It wasn't out of
Speaker 2: anything else. It wasn't It was just kind words and
Speaker 2: hoping that I would come back. And unfortunately I did it.
Speaker 1: I know, that's just sort of the way the cookie
Speaker 1: crumbles in Survivor. You know, the big conversation online was
Speaker 1: surrounding the fact that why didn't people demand that Sammy
Speaker 1: empty her bag to prove her idol status. Well, if
Speaker 1: you don't have it.
Speaker 2: All, empty my bag to the people who were left.
Speaker 3: At camp tonight.
Speaker 1: You know, that was really a cliffhanger from the episodes before.
Speaker 1: Did that actually happen though? Did you know, did anyone
Speaker 1: ask her to empty her bag?
Speaker 2: No one asked to empty her bag. And I kind
Speaker 2: of knew. I believed Jordie the whole time, But when
Speaker 2: I realized that she didn't empty her bag when we
Speaker 2: got back, it wasn't like, you know, here everyone, look
Speaker 2: I don't have it. I kind of figured out, Yeah,
Speaker 2: she definitely has something. And credit to credit has to
Speaker 2: be given to both Sam and Mark. They created these
Speaker 2: strong bonds with people that they could trust, that they
Speaker 2: trusted them, and they you know, they believe that she
Speaker 2: they don't have too. So that's huge credit for them
Speaker 2: for you know, deceptively figuring out that they actually do
Speaker 2: have it, but they're just not telling the truth.
Speaker 3: The online community and be fairly rough.
Speaker 1: Well, what kind of reaction have you had throughout the
Speaker 1: show from public opinion.
Speaker 2: I've had a range. I've been called like, you know,
Speaker 2: you're such a queen, like you're you know, we wish
Speaker 2: we could see more of you. I don't know why
Speaker 2: we're not seeing more of you, to the other end
Speaker 2: being like you're a sheep, you're boring, You're like you
Speaker 2: don't know how to play, and all of those. So
Speaker 2: I've had a spectrum, but mostly it's like, oh, you're
Speaker 2: so boring, you don't make a move. But they have
Speaker 2: to understand, like, you know, people need to understand that
Speaker 2: there's just more to the game than what you see
Speaker 2: on TV. You create strong bonds. I had strong bonds
Speaker 2: with Sam and by the end Jordan as well. You know,
Speaker 2: we were read to like og red. Chrissy actually is
Speaker 2: very close with Josh and Jordan and would do whatever
Speaker 2: the votes that they were going to do together. So
Speaker 2: people don't get to see that, and therefore we can't
Speaker 2: be like, well, actually they're friends or they're really close.
Speaker 2: When people keep asking why does you know why doesn't
Speaker 2: Dave a Chrissie flip, It's because you know, day feels
Speaker 2: very close with you know, the boys in the group, Mark,
Speaker 2: Josh and Jordan from the Red two point zero Days
Speaker 2: and chrisy is very close with Josh and Jordan, and
Speaker 2: you don't get to see that. So and for me,
Speaker 2: even if if I did want to make a move,
Speaker 2: I need the numbers and if I know and I've
Speaker 2: got close enough bonds to tell me like no, Michelle,
Speaker 2: it's not going to work, then I'm not gonna vote anyway.
Speaker 2: It's like like kamikaze, Like I don't think that's the
Speaker 2: right move either.
Speaker 1: I always think it's hilarious, you know, dealing with people
Speaker 1: who are sitting at home watching these kind of reality
Speaker 1: TV shows. And the reason why I think it's strange
Speaker 1: is because no one knows exactly how you're going to
Speaker 1: behave unless you're there and you've got all of the
Speaker 1: information right in front of you.
Speaker 2: Definitely, and I think because each episode is three days
Speaker 2: worth of content, they really have to dissect everything to
Speaker 2: create easy enough storyline to follow through. So you know,
Speaker 2: you're not going to get those conversations that maybe like
Speaker 2: I would have with with Dave telling him he's at
Speaker 2: the bottom all this, or you know, telling Josh and
Speaker 2: Jordan Oh, but you know what, if they have an
Speaker 2: idol or something like that, it doesn't make the storyline
Speaker 2: and therefore it didn't happen. But it does happen, it's
Speaker 2: just that we don't see it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1: Did you get any advice or preparation from inside the
Speaker 1: show on how to deal with the responses of what
Speaker 1: people were saying in social commentary? You know, in social media, it's.
Speaker 2: A combination of everything. I'm you know, super fortunate that
Speaker 2: the Survivor family, the ex contestants are all very supportive
Speaker 2: for the new contests, like the new tribe mates that
Speaker 2: come in for the new season. So you know, I
Speaker 2: do get support and messages and from the ex Survivor
Speaker 2: contestants as well. We also have support from you know,
Speaker 2: End the Mall. They give us resilience training with a professional,
Speaker 2: and we also get support from Channel ten. You know,
Speaker 2: if if it gets out of hand, I could just
Speaker 2: you know, surrender my Instagram account and they can just
Speaker 2: you know, deal with the slaughter.
Speaker 1: I think it's great to be able to have that
Speaker 1: layered amount of help because you know, everyone wanted to
Speaker 1: know what you and Mel thought about the lack of
Speaker 1: screen time and I wanted to know, like, what was
Speaker 1: your interpretation of the fans calling out your lack of
Speaker 1: screen time, Like, what was your interpretation of that.
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, it's I can see it from
Speaker 2: both sides. I can see that, you know, it's easier
Speaker 2: to tell a narrative of certain x amount of individuals
Speaker 2: to create a storyline for them to you know, for
Speaker 2: for easier viewing for the casual audience. But then there's
Speaker 2: also fans that want to get to know all the contestants,
Speaker 2: and some of them get put in the back burner
Speaker 2: because maybe they didn't orchestrate initially and orchestrate a move
Speaker 2: or made great confessionals. But you know, I thought that
Speaker 2: I did enough in the game in the first half
Speaker 2: to warrant an edit, but it proved to be otherwise.
Speaker 2: We had a lot of like Mel and I went
Speaker 2: against each other one on one quite a lot, and
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be, oh, that's great
Speaker 2: because it's like twin versus twin, and who's going to win.
Speaker 2: And it was a whole thing of I want to
Speaker 2: beat Mel, and Mel wants to beat me. But I mean,
Speaker 2: we never got shown. But I beat her one time.
Speaker 1: You know, people want to know that stuff though, you know,
Speaker 1: people were also leaking that out, Like you know, there
Speaker 1: was a lot of people amongst the survivor family that
Speaker 1: was letting social media know that that. You know, there
Speaker 1: was a really good storyline between the two of you.
Speaker 1: I guess people just wanted to know. Were you pulled
Speaker 1: aside and given just as many confessionals as the rest
Speaker 1: of the cast.
Speaker 2: Yes, everybody probably got a similar amount. Everybody has to
Speaker 2: do their confessionals from day one to wherever they leave,
Speaker 2: and you know everybody gets pulled away the same amount
Speaker 2: of times.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, your mother made me so emotional when
Speaker 1: she left you that message.
Speaker 2: Oh God, it's my mom.
Speaker 4: I'm so proud and happy that you're still in the game.
Speaker 4: Keep the spirit high. We love your lants and to
Speaker 4: see you soon mine.
Speaker 3: What was your family's reaction to watching the show?
Speaker 2: So, my mom and my brother. My brother is on
Speaker 2: the spectrum, so autism spectrum. They live in Hong Kong
Speaker 2: and that's where I was before moving to Australia. And
Speaker 2: I only moved to Australia this time. I was in
Speaker 2: quarantine this time last year in Sydney. I just moved
Speaker 2: to Sydney. So I left Hong Kong because I needed
Speaker 2: I wanted to help take care of my brother. And
Speaker 2: then when I thought that everything was okay and everything
Speaker 2: was manageable and he was communicating better than I decided
Speaker 2: to come to Australia. So my mom is actually overseas,
Speaker 2: so we don't get to watch it together. Unfortunately, my
Speaker 2: father he passed away in August, so a few weeks
Speaker 2: before filming, so that was very tough and we had
Speaker 2: know I had, you know, we both had to make
Speaker 2: a tough decision do we And at that time, it
Speaker 2: was COVID and it was locked down and the borders
Speaker 2: weren't open yet, so could we fly back for the funeral?
Speaker 2: And if we did, could we even come back period?
Speaker 2: So my you know, we had to ask our mom
Speaker 2: whether it was okay for us to go on this show.
Speaker 2: And it was a really tough decision because our father
Speaker 2: just passed away and then you know, having to deal
Speaker 2: with that and then both her daughters go away on
Speaker 2: a show for X amount of time. It was a
Speaker 2: pretty tough spot for her to be in. But she
Speaker 2: she said that, you know that we should do it,
Speaker 2: and now she's extremely proud of us, so.
Speaker 3: She was watching this show.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so sorry, just to say, I'm very
Speaker 1: sorry for your loss. So I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: is a really hard situation to be in. But I
Speaker 1: guess in some ways you could be so proud, and
Speaker 1: so would your father be, of this amazing opportunity and
Speaker 1: the way in which you both conducted yourself.
Speaker 2: It was just and my mom was filming at my
Speaker 2: dad's office, so my dad's all my dad's stuff was
Speaker 2: behind and so I was like, oh, it's my dad's
Speaker 2: office and it's my mom. So and then you know,
Speaker 2: she lives away. I haven't seen her. This is the
Speaker 2: longest time we've been away from each other. So it
Speaker 2: was extremely emotional for me. And Day twenty one was
Speaker 2: very difficult for my sister and I because that was
Speaker 2: our dad's birthday as well. But at least we got
Speaker 2: to see each other at the MAP.
Speaker 1: A lot of the survivor family did also mention that
Speaker 1: that there was a very emotional moment that day between
Speaker 1: you and your sister, and then there was an outcry
Speaker 1: again from the public as to why that wasn't shown.
Speaker 1: Were you surprised that they didn't choose to show that moment.
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I wasn't so surprised. I know that they
Speaker 2: have a narrative, you know, there's a narrative to tell.
Speaker 2: We hadn't really been introduced by then, so it being
Speaker 2: maybe kind of weird to just have that moment and
Speaker 2: be like, oh, our father passed away in August, you know,
Speaker 2: so each you know, everything has its own reasons, but
Speaker 2: the word is out and that is you know, how
Speaker 2: we were. We were quite emotional. I was quite emotionab
Speaker 2: before day twenty one. She was emotional on Day twenty one.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's not that sort of a show,
Speaker 1: you know, like, had you had that moment on I'm
Speaker 1: a celebrity, get me out of here, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that would have been highlighted where Survivor, it might
Speaker 1: have been too much of a distractioner.
Speaker 3: It might have felt too out of the cannon of
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 2: You know, That's how I felt. So I was, I was.
Speaker 2: I am staying with Jesse and Jordi. We you know,
Speaker 2: we bonded over you know, our losses of our family members,
Speaker 2: and that's how we got you know, pretty close, and
Speaker 2: so you know, everyone's going through something, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just realized that a little I know about
Speaker 1: your survivor experience and how it all come came together.
Speaker 1: So I'd love to know, you know, what was the
Speaker 1: application process for you and your sister. And I know
Speaker 1: your sister had a sneaking suspicion that you wanted to
Speaker 1: beat her at her favorite game. Was that true?
Speaker 2: Definitely, I definitely want to beat her at you know,
Speaker 2: she was the you know, there's like a good twin
Speaker 2: and a bad twin, well like you know and good
Speaker 2: and bad, angel, devil whatever always gets compared. My sister
Speaker 2: was definitely the good twin where she was is hard
Speaker 2: working and she's like a chiropractice and I mean she's
Speaker 2: a doctor and you know all of that, you know,
Speaker 2: in terms of like Asian standards, that is, you know,
Speaker 2: the epitomal that she has her own place and all
Speaker 2: of that. And then there's me, you know, traveling around
Speaker 2: the world and not really thinking about futures and so
Speaker 2: my family like are you going to like pick a
Speaker 2: place to live? But and I think it's like my
Speaker 2: whole life was kind of like that was me versus her.
Speaker 2: You know, at school, they put us against each other.
Speaker 2: It's just natural for that to happen as getting compared
Speaker 2: because we're basically the same DNA. So yeah, the application
Speaker 2: process was my sister applied and then she asked me
Speaker 2: to apply, and at that time I just moved to Australia,
Speaker 2: so I was like, all right, I'm not doing much,
Speaker 2: so I'll apply. And then I started doing it and
Speaker 2: then didn't want to do the video, so I was like, nah,
Speaker 2: no problem, I don't want to do it. Then they
Speaker 2: ring me It's like can you do the video? And
Speaker 2: then yeah, Then the whole process came about and then yeah,
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden like do you want to
Speaker 2: do it? And I was like, oh okay. I actually
Speaker 2: said would me not doing an impact on my sister
Speaker 2: being on the show and they said definitely yes, Because
Speaker 2: I didn't know what blood versus water by then I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, then I'll just I'll go.
Speaker 3: You're not sounding like the Avil Twin sister at this point,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you're actually and growing up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but good to know that you're the Avil twin.
Speaker 1: I like that, you know, maybe needing you to be
Speaker 1: the advisor in my life at this point.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, now I'm growing up from my bad twin
Speaker 2: status like the naughty twin status. I definitely like she
Speaker 2: is the rainbows and sunshine, And it's true, she's a
Speaker 2: very warm person. Like when you get to know her,
Speaker 2: she's like Hi. I'm like, she's like the puppy and
Speaker 2: I'm like the cat where I'm like just sitting back
Speaker 2: watching people like should I be your friend? And then
Speaker 2: and then you grow to love me more?
Speaker 1: So I reckon I be friends with you, that's for sure,
Speaker 1: you know. Getting back into the survivor of the game,
Speaker 1: who do you think at this point has played the
Speaker 1: best Australian Survivor game.
Speaker 2: I have two mindsets about this. I think that terms
Speaker 2: of the survivor my mindset, I think that Sam has
Speaker 2: played a really great game. Even pre merged, she was
Speaker 2: calling kind of the shots and knowing where the boats
Speaker 2: were heading. You know, she had to be absorbed into
Speaker 2: her husband's alliance, and you know she had to you know,
Speaker 2: see off her closest allies in the game, and you know,
Speaker 2: that's a hard journey too to have compared to others
Speaker 2: that are kind of coasting it. But I also like Jordie,
Speaker 2: Jordie ja or kJ you know, I really like the
Speaker 2: underdog factor. You know, they are definitely the minority. They
Speaker 2: are coming back, and you know, to see who climbs
Speaker 2: up to the top and tries to revolt something. I
Speaker 2: would appreciate that too.
Speaker 1: I wondered whether or not you going into purgatory last,
Speaker 1: you know, do you do you think that had an
Speaker 1: effect on the way in which you came back to
Speaker 1: play that game. Do you think that being in purgators
Speaker 1: for as long as say Shay built up this absolute
Speaker 1: determination or do you not think that that even played
Speaker 1: in as a factor.
Speaker 2: I think everyone had a similar level of determination because
Speaker 2: we all we all said, whoever goes back, they need
Speaker 2: to like stick together. They need to you know, they
Speaker 2: need to stick together. We need to revolt, we need
Speaker 2: to try, you know, don't just go back to the majority.
Speaker 2: So everybody had the same level of determination. But I
Speaker 2: think it's just down to that stick. It's so high
Speaker 2: you can't see, it's so heavy. You know, perseverance did
Speaker 2: it wasn't my friend, and that was that was my wrongdoing.
Speaker 2: I just could not, for the life of me put
Speaker 2: that ball up on that that ledge thing that brought
Speaker 2: it down. Just couldn't. The ball kept hitting my head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, slowly.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't say straight because you've been smacked
Speaker 1: in the head that many times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the sun is glaring and your eye and
Speaker 2: the wind and the stess. It was just a mess.
Speaker 1: Well, I was rooting for you started off well, so
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, go go, and.
Speaker 2: You know I started off strong.
Speaker 3: I was like yes.
Speaker 2: The wind picked up and I just was like, who's
Speaker 2: see you? By that stage is I'd been crying.
Speaker 1: Like you know, the Alliance of six is now set
Speaker 1: to be picked apart. Do you think that Mark and
Speaker 1: Sam have an easy path now or an easy road
Speaker 1: to being in the final three? I mean, are they
Speaker 1: indestructible at this point?
Speaker 2: I mean they've got two idols and they can play
Speaker 2: it up to five people left and now there's you
Speaker 2: know now, I mean back it's like back to nine.
Speaker 2: But they have they have created so much trust within
Speaker 2: the tribe. I mean, like they have the stability of
Speaker 2: Mark with you know, showing good trust with someone quite
Speaker 2: stable like Josh who doesn't like chaos or playing the game.
Speaker 2: He likes to play game conservatively, so you know, showing
Speaker 2: trust with that. And you know, I think they're playing
Speaker 2: a great game whether or not that's maybe one day
Speaker 2: they'll believe that, like the others will believe that there
Speaker 2: are two idols, then maybe that will be a different situation.
Speaker 3: Who do you think is going to win at this point?
Speaker 1: Like you know, at your point now with you joining
Speaker 1: the jury, were you thinking one person in particular is.
Speaker 3: Going to win?
Speaker 2: Not at that moment, I would say that I would
Speaker 2: have more people that I thought I wouldn't like they
Speaker 2: didn't show me enough for them to for me to
Speaker 2: give them the half a million being I guess Christie
Speaker 2: and Dave right now just because they haven't shown me
Speaker 2: like they've been in cruise control. They've just been writing
Speaker 2: the coattails of the couples. So I know who I
Speaker 2: wouldn't give it to right now, But there's still more
Speaker 2: to the game to be played. Maybe they'll change my mind.
Speaker 1: The last question I ask everyone who's joined the podcast,
Speaker 1: it has been you know what's something from behind the saynes?
Speaker 1: That way, as an audience didn't get a chance to
Speaker 1: say that, you'd like to share with us something from
Speaker 1: behind the saynes of your experience on Survivor.
Speaker 2: There's just so much laughter and so much belly laughter,
Speaker 2: and so much entertainment that some people bring j with
Speaker 2: his rapping skills, you can just skit whatever you you know,
Speaker 2: you could just give him more than you'll be able
Speaker 2: to do it. Just a lot of laughing. Even we
Speaker 2: had this. I think it was Sam because Sam is
Speaker 2: a theater student as well as well and was a
Speaker 2: law student. And there was this moment where people like
Speaker 2: they'd be witches and then they'll sing like they'll do
Speaker 2: that Macbeth like double double boil in trouble by a
Speaker 2: burn and culdron bubble, and they started recruiting witches and
Speaker 2: I think Con was one and even Krop was one,
Speaker 2: and you know, just just belly laughing. I remember there
Speaker 2: was you know, we would sing songs and obviously it
Speaker 2: wouldn't make the cut because of copyright, but we would
Speaker 2: sing a whole new world, Meet me, Khan and Sam
Speaker 2: and Kan would be the magic red parpet with my
Speaker 2: red sarong on the ground and I'd be Aladdin and
Speaker 2: Sam would be Dasmin. But we will be seeing so
Speaker 2: off tune and laughing. I was like, this was truly
Speaker 2: make the fun we had even sing we just laughing.
Speaker 2: But yeah, a lot of singing, a lot of you know,
Speaker 2: all the off camera things like you know, I think
Speaker 2: some got shown, like the fashion show and the and
Speaker 2: the chef cooking thing of Khan. You know, there were moments,
Speaker 2: there were moral moments like that that I wish was
Speaker 2: on a lot of bonding moments.
Speaker 1: Look, well, I have to ask for a director's cut
Speaker 1: because I want to say that Aladdin.
Speaker 3: I want to see the Aladdin.
Speaker 2: Please, let's all have a petition to get the Aladdin
Speaker 2: thing out. I really wanted to.
Speaker 1: And I just say thank you so much for being
Speaker 1: here and having this chat. I loved your time on
Speaker 1: the show. I thought it was quite fantastic and I
Speaker 1: hope that you're as proud as the fandom that is
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm like shocked with the amount of love
Speaker 2: that I'm you know, from different parts of the world,
Speaker 2: and it's just been amazing and just like so fortunate,
Speaker 2: so grateful for everyone to like just tuned in and
Speaker 2: didn't call me a sheep.
Speaker 3: Just remember you just block anyone that ever says anything.
Speaker 2: That yes, noticed Michael, block and delete. Yep.
Speaker 3: Thank you, my hair look great that day. And what
Speaker 3: did you say about me not a goat? Goodbye?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: So thanks so much for the chat. It's been amazing,