WEBVTT - MICHELLE TALKS ABOUT HER SURVIVOR EDIT

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the news today, but it was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>TV Reload the podcast last week. They'm welcome back, guys

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<v Speaker 1>to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris and on this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest players

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<v Speaker 1>in television.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, great questions. The show's about the game. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of great television out there in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've also got to go behind the scenes with writers.

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<v Speaker 1>The truth is, when I started writing it, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>had nothing to do with the news and casting agents.

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<v Speaker 2>They know from a casting point of view what they need.

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<v Speaker 1>And editors because that's what we do as editors where storytellers.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to forget some incredible executive producers who are making

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<v Speaker 1>some of the best TV in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>I have been on the program since the beginning and

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of in my DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>So thanks for joining me each week and I hope

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast continues to give you real insight into the

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<v Speaker 1>magic of television today. On the podcast, I have Michelle,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the latest castaway to be eliminated from Channel

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<v Speaker 1>Ten's Australian Survivor, joining the popular reality TV competition themed

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<v Speaker 1>Blood Versus Water. The Twins sister was not something Michelle

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<v Speaker 1>had foreseen in her future, but with a slight twist

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<v Speaker 1>of the arm, both twins took part in the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two competition and made it all the way to

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<v Speaker 1>a rightful spot on the jury. I thought I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get a chance to have such an open and honest

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with Michelle because there's been so much said about

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<v Speaker 1>her lack of screen time that I worried it might

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<v Speaker 1>be too controversial to ask about her take on the

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<v Speaker 1>editing process. But guys, I did ask a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>those questions. I was able to tackle those questions in

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<v Speaker 1>a way where everyone felt comfortable and to be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>MY main concern was making sure that Michelle was comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>with this interview, as I really respected her gameplay on

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<v Speaker 1>the show. There are some really interesting insights in this chat,

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<v Speaker 1>and I loved every minute that I have with Michelle

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<v Speaker 1>because there was this immediate warmth and honesty that made

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<v Speaker 1>me realize that we could all do with some Melan

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle values in our life. However, let's bring in. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get started. I'd like to welcome Michelle to tape, Raylad.

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't have any ill feelings with anyone on

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<v Speaker 2>Australian Survivor. My initial reaction was, what the heck? Why Michelle?

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<v Speaker 2>That was a hell of a battle with me not

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<v Speaker 2>doing an impact on my sister being on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and they said, definitely, Michelle, need to bring me a torch.

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<v Speaker 2>There's just more to the game than what you see

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<v Speaker 2>on TV. Seventeenth person heard it out before, a person

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<v Speaker 2>going to purgatory. I know who I wouldn't give it

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<v Speaker 2>to right now, but there's still more to the game

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<v Speaker 2>to be played.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, Michelle, how are you. I'm going well, how are

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<v Speaker 3>your feelings? Watching the show last night?

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<v Speaker 2>I actually was looking forward to the episode that I

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<v Speaker 2>knew that I was about to go, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to see how they would do it, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm out and then I'm in and then I'm

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<v Speaker 2>out again. All in all, I am. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I me at peace with everything. So whatever hap happened,

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<v Speaker 2>how I went out, how I was just centimeters away

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<v Speaker 2>from the bucket, like it hit the rim. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just so happy that those three get to go

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<v Speaker 2>back and you know, trying to shake things up.

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<v Speaker 3>How beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Though I thought you were so humble, that probably is

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<v Speaker 1>the most humble eggit I've ever seen in Survivor history.

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<v Speaker 3>Michelle, that was a hell of a battle, but you

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<v Speaker 3>just came up short. What's the feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I'm so proud of everyone, so proud, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>j But now I'm going to miss everyone. I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's a game and I wish everybody the best of luck.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, where do you learn how to be so

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<v Speaker 3>humble like that from.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's just my upbringing, you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, coming from Hong Kong, we are quite humble about.

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<v Speaker 2>We are quite gracious when we lose, and we thank everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it just comes from my cultural upbringing that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like thankful and I really don't have any

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<v Speaker 2>ill feelings with anyone. I created such strong bonds like

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<v Speaker 2>we still talk today. There's a big part of my

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<v Speaker 2>life in Australia. They know that. So yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 2>just a great opportunity, especially during lockdown, to just meet

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<v Speaker 2>these new people.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think I need to hire you as

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<v Speaker 1>like a mentor or an advisor on how to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with things in life better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean I've gone through quite a lot in

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<v Speaker 2>my life, especially just beforehand, as well just before the

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<v Speaker 2>show aired. So I think that, you know, like we

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't take life for granted. Everything happens for a reason

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<v Speaker 2>and we just have to get on with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're going to get into that in a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just wanted to say about last night's episode.

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<v Speaker 1>There's smart gameplay and then there are just blatant lies.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you feel about getting that vote from Sammy

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<v Speaker 1>in the tribal council straight after her promise to you

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<v Speaker 1>that she wouldn't vote for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean we as I now know, in the

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<v Speaker 2>game of Survivor with you know, those promises I could

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<v Speaker 2>potentially be empty promises, but I I know sam and

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<v Speaker 2>that she was probably put in that situation where she

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<v Speaker 2>had to write my name down, maybe not to rock

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<v Speaker 2>the boat with her tight alliance of six.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope that it is a puzzle at Purgatory and

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<v Speaker 3>I get to say you back because I've enjoyed playing

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<v Speaker 3>my game.

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<v Speaker 2>Give my breathing. Me and her are actually very close.

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<v Speaker 2>We had, you know, an amazing journey together from the

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<v Speaker 2>start to where we were at. You know, my initial

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<v Speaker 2>reaction was what the heck why? And you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>had this way of telling each other that we were

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<v Speaker 2>safe at that tribal council because we swapped songs like

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<v Speaker 2>I had her yellow one and she had my red

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<v Speaker 2>one to show that this is me showing you that

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<v Speaker 2>you're safe because you're taking my stuff away if we do.

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<v Speaker 2>But I guess the plan changed right in the last minute,

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<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately I had to go to purgatory and she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know and we had to quickly swap it back after.

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<v Speaker 3>That's crazy. It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you definitely could say that you had a friendship,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not an alliance, but I think that you definitely

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<v Speaker 1>both had a very strong friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely. I feel I felt that we had many laughs,

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<v Speaker 2>many tears. We shared many tears, many laughs, ma any

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<v Speaker 2>moments that I'm grateful for, because you don't get those

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<v Speaker 2>types of friendship in you know, everyday life. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we did create a strong bond with each other whether

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<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately I just wasn't part of the alliance of six.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was happy to see what she said. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when she read my name out. It wasn't out of

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<v Speaker 2>anything else. It wasn't It was just kind words and

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<v Speaker 2>hoping that I would come back. And unfortunately I did it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, that's just sort of the way the cookie

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<v Speaker 1>crumbles in Survivor. You know, the big conversation online was

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding the fact that why didn't people demand that Sammy

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<v Speaker 1>empty her bag to prove her idol status. Well, if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have it.

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<v Speaker 2>All, empty my bag to the people who were left.

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<v Speaker 3>At camp tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that was really a cliffhanger from the episodes before.

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<v Speaker 1>Did that actually happen though? Did you know, did anyone

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<v Speaker 1>ask her to empty her bag?

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<v Speaker 2>No one asked to empty her bag. And I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of knew. I believed Jordie the whole time, But when

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<v Speaker 2>I realized that she didn't empty her bag when we

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<v Speaker 2>got back, it wasn't like, you know, here everyone, look

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have it. I kind of figured out, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she definitely has something. And credit to credit has to

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<v Speaker 2>be given to both Sam and Mark. They created these

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<v Speaker 2>strong bonds with people that they could trust, that they

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<v Speaker 2>trusted them, and they you know, they believe that she

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have too. So that's huge credit for them

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<v Speaker 2>for you know, deceptively figuring out that they actually do

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<v Speaker 2>have it, but they're just not telling the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>The online community and be fairly rough.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what kind of reaction have you had throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>show from public opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had a range. I've been called like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're such a queen, like you're you know, we wish

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<v Speaker 2>we could see more of you. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 2>we're not seeing more of you, to the other end

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<v Speaker 2>being like you're a sheep, you're boring, You're like you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how to play, and all of those. So

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<v Speaker 2>I've had a spectrum, but mostly it's like, oh, you're

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<v Speaker 2>so boring, you don't make a move. But they have

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<v Speaker 2>to understand, like, you know, people need to understand that

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<v Speaker 2>there's just more to the game than what you see

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<v Speaker 2>on TV. You create strong bonds. I had strong bonds

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<v Speaker 2>with Sam and by the end Jordan as well. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we were read to like og red. Chrissy actually is

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<v Speaker 2>very close with Josh and Jordan and would do whatever

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<v Speaker 2>the votes that they were going to do together. So

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<v Speaker 2>people don't get to see that, and therefore we can't

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<v Speaker 2>be like, well, actually they're friends or they're really close.

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<v Speaker 2>When people keep asking why does you know why doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>Dave a Chrissie flip, It's because you know, day feels

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<v Speaker 2>very close with you know, the boys in the group, Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>Josh and Jordan from the Red two point zero Days

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<v Speaker 2>and chrisy is very close with Josh and Jordan, and

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<v Speaker 2>you don't get to see that. So and for me,

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<v Speaker 2>even if if I did want to make a move,

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<v Speaker 2>I need the numbers and if I know and I've

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<v Speaker 2>got close enough bonds to tell me like no, Michelle,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not going to work, then I'm not gonna vote anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like like kamikaze, Like I don't think that's the

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<v Speaker 2>right move either.

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<v Speaker 1>I always think it's hilarious, you know, dealing with people

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<v Speaker 1>who are sitting at home watching these kind of reality

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<v Speaker 1>TV shows. And the reason why I think it's strange

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<v Speaker 1>is because no one knows exactly how you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>behave unless you're there and you've got all of the

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<v Speaker 1>information right in front of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, and I think because each episode is three days

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<v Speaker 2>worth of content, they really have to dissect everything to

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<v Speaker 2>create easy enough storyline to follow through. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to get those conversations that maybe like

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<v Speaker 2>I would have with with Dave telling him he's at

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom all this, or you know, telling Josh and

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Oh, but you know what, if they have an

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<v Speaker 2>idol or something like that, it doesn't make the storyline

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<v Speaker 2>and therefore it didn't happen. But it does happen, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just that we don't see it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get any advice or preparation from inside the

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<v Speaker 1>show on how to deal with the responses of what

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<v Speaker 1>people were saying in social commentary? You know, in social media, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>A combination of everything. I'm you know, super fortunate that

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<v Speaker 2>the Survivor family, the ex contestants are all very supportive

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<v Speaker 2>for the new contests, like the new tribe mates that

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<v Speaker 2>come in for the new season. So you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>do get support and messages and from the ex Survivor

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<v Speaker 2>contestants as well. We also have support from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>End the Mall. They give us resilience training with a professional,

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<v Speaker 2>and we also get support from Channel ten. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if if it gets out of hand, I could just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, surrender my Instagram account and they can just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, deal with the slaughter.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's great to be able to have that

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<v Speaker 1>layered amount of help because you know, everyone wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>know what you and Mel thought about the lack of

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<v Speaker 1>screen time and I wanted to know, like, what was

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<v Speaker 1>your interpretation of the fans calling out your lack of

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<v Speaker 1>screen time, Like, what was your interpretation of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, you know, it's I can see it from

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<v Speaker 2>both sides. I can see that, you know, it's easier

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<v Speaker 2>to tell a narrative of certain x amount of individuals

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<v Speaker 2>to create a storyline for them to you know, for

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<v Speaker 2>for easier viewing for the casual audience. But then there's

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<v Speaker 2>also fans that want to get to know all the contestants,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of them get put in the back burner

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<v Speaker 2>because maybe they didn't orchestrate initially and orchestrate a move

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<v Speaker 2>or made great confessionals. But you know, I thought that

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<v Speaker 2>I did enough in the game in the first half

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<v Speaker 2>to warrant an edit, but it proved to be otherwise.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a lot of like Mel and I went

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<v Speaker 2>against each other one on one quite a lot, and

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was going to be, oh, that's great

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<v Speaker 2>because it's like twin versus twin, and who's going to win.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was a whole thing of I want to

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<v Speaker 2>beat Mel, and Mel wants to beat me. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we never got shown. But I beat her one time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, people want to know that stuff though, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people were also leaking that out, Like you know, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of people amongst the survivor family that

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<v Speaker 1>was letting social media know that that. You know, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a really good storyline between the two of you.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess people just wanted to know. Were you pulled

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<v Speaker 1>aside and given just as many confessionals as the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the cast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, everybody probably got a similar amount. Everybody has to

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<v Speaker 2>do their confessionals from day one to wherever they leave,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know everybody gets pulled away the same amount

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<v Speaker 2>of times.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, your mother made me so emotional when

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<v Speaker 1>she left you that message.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh God, it's my mom.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so proud and happy that you're still in the game.

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<v Speaker 4>Keep the spirit high. We love your lants and to

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<v Speaker 4>see you soon mine.

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<v Speaker 3>What was your family's reaction to watching the show?

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<v Speaker 2>So, my mom and my brother. My brother is on

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<v Speaker 2>the spectrum, so autism spectrum. They live in Hong Kong

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<v Speaker 2>and that's where I was before moving to Australia. And

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<v Speaker 2>I only moved to Australia this time. I was in

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<v Speaker 2>quarantine this time last year in Sydney. I just moved

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<v Speaker 2>to Sydney. So I left Hong Kong because I needed

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to help take care of my brother. And

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<v Speaker 2>then when I thought that everything was okay and everything

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<v Speaker 2>was manageable and he was communicating better than I decided

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<v Speaker 2>to come to Australia. So my mom is actually overseas,

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<v Speaker 2>so we don't get to watch it together. Unfortunately, my

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<v Speaker 2>father he passed away in August, so a few weeks

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<v Speaker 2>before filming, so that was very tough and we had

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<v Speaker 2>know I had, you know, we both had to make

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<v Speaker 2>a tough decision do we And at that time, it

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<v Speaker 2>was COVID and it was locked down and the borders

0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:10.199
<v Speaker 2>weren't open yet, so could we fly back for the funeral?

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<v Speaker 2>And if we did, could we even come back period?

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<v Speaker 2>So my you know, we had to ask our mom

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<v Speaker 2>whether it was okay for us to go on this show.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was a really tough decision because our father

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<v Speaker 2>just passed away and then you know, having to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with that and then both her daughters go away on

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<v Speaker 2>a show for X amount of time. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty tough spot for her to be in. But she

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<v Speaker 2>she said that, you know that we should do it,

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<v Speaker 2>and now she's extremely proud of us, so.

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<v Speaker 3>She was watching this show.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm so sorry, just to say, I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>sorry for your loss. So I think that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is a really hard situation to be in. But I

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<v Speaker 1>guess in some ways you could be so proud, and

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<v Speaker 1>so would your father be, of this amazing opportunity and

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<v Speaker 1>the way in which you both conducted yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just and my mom was filming at my

0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.000
<v Speaker 2>dad's office, so my dad's all my dad's stuff was

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<v Speaker 2>behind and so I was like, oh, it's my dad's

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<v Speaker 2>office and it's my mom. So and then you know,

0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:08.360
<v Speaker 2>she lives away. I haven't seen her. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>longest time we've been away from each other. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was extremely emotional for me. And Day twenty one was

0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:16.520
<v Speaker 2>very difficult for my sister and I because that was

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<v Speaker 2>our dad's birthday as well. But at least we got

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<v Speaker 2>to see each other at the MAP.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the survivor family did also mention that

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<v Speaker 1>that there was a very emotional moment that day between

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<v Speaker 1>you and your sister, and then there was an outcry

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<v Speaker 1>again from the public as to why that wasn't shown.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you surprised that they didn't choose to show that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't. I wasn't so surprised. I know that they

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<v Speaker 2>have a narrative, you know, there's a narrative to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>We hadn't really been introduced by then, so it being

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<v Speaker 2>maybe kind of weird to just have that moment and

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<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, our father passed away in August, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so each you know, everything has its own reasons, but

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<v Speaker 2>the word is out and that is you know, how

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<v Speaker 2>we were. We were quite emotional. I was quite emotionab

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<v Speaker 2>before day twenty one. She was emotional on Day twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess it's not that sort of a show,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like, had you had that moment on I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a celebrity, get me out of here, you know, I

0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.920
<v Speaker 1>think that would have been highlighted where Survivor, it might

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<v Speaker 1>have been too much of a distractioner.

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<v Speaker 3>It might have felt too out of the cannon of

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<v Speaker 3>the show.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, That's how I felt. So I was, I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I am staying with Jesse and Jordi. We you know,

0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.640
<v Speaker 2>we bonded over you know, our losses of our family members,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's how we got you know, pretty close, and

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, everyone's going through something, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just realized that a little I know about

0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.040
<v Speaker 1>your survivor experience and how it all come came together.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'd love to know, you know, what was the

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<v Speaker 1>application process for you and your sister. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>your sister had a sneaking suspicion that you wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>beat her at her favorite game. Was that true?

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, I definitely want to beat her at you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she was the you know, there's like a good twin

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<v Speaker 2>and a bad twin, well like you know and good

0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.480
<v Speaker 2>and bad, angel, devil whatever always gets compared. My sister

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<v Speaker 2>was definitely the good twin where she was is hard

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<v Speaker 2>working and she's like a chiropractice and I mean she's

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<v Speaker 2>a doctor and you know all of that, you know,

0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.199
<v Speaker 2>in terms of like Asian standards, that is, you know,

0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.600
<v Speaker 2>the epitomal that she has her own place and all

0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.119
<v Speaker 2>of that. And then there's me, you know, traveling around

0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:20.520
<v Speaker 2>the world and not really thinking about futures and so

0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.720
<v Speaker 2>my family like are you going to like pick a

0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.639
<v Speaker 2>place to live? But and I think it's like my

0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:27.680
<v Speaker 2>whole life was kind of like that was me versus her.

0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, at school, they put us against each other.

0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.120
<v Speaker 2>It's just natural for that to happen as getting compared

0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.440
<v Speaker 2>because we're basically the same DNA. So yeah, the application

0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.919
<v Speaker 2>process was my sister applied and then she asked me

0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.879
<v Speaker 2>to apply, and at that time I just moved to Australia,

0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:43.680
<v Speaker 2>so I was like, all right, I'm not doing much,

0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.560
<v Speaker 2>so I'll apply. And then I started doing it and

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<v Speaker 2>then didn't want to do the video, so I was like, nah,

0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.160
<v Speaker 2>no problem, I don't want to do it. Then they

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<v Speaker 2>ring me It's like can you do the video? And

0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.600
<v Speaker 2>then yeah, Then the whole process came about and then yeah,

0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:56.840
<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden like do you want to

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<v Speaker 2>do it? And I was like, oh okay. I actually

0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.159
<v Speaker 2>said would me not doing an impact on my sister

0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.720
<v Speaker 2>being on the show and they said definitely yes, Because

0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:08.560
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what blood versus water by then I

0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.000
<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, then I'll just I'll go.

0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.399
<v Speaker 3>You're not sounding like the Avil Twin sister at this point,

0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:14.800
<v Speaker 3>you know.

0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know you're actually and growing up.

0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:21.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but good to know that you're the Avil twin.

0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I like that, you know, maybe needing you to be

0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:26.760
<v Speaker 1>the advisor in my life at this point.

0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, now I'm growing up from my bad twin

0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.240
<v Speaker 2>status like the naughty twin status. I definitely like she

0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.280
<v Speaker 2>is the rainbows and sunshine, And it's true, she's a

0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.560
<v Speaker 2>very warm person. Like when you get to know her,

0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.480
<v Speaker 2>she's like Hi. I'm like, she's like the puppy and

0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm like the cat where I'm like just sitting back

0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.160
<v Speaker 2>watching people like should I be your friend? And then

0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:50.240
<v Speaker 2>and then you grow to love me more?

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<v Speaker 1>So I reckon I be friends with you, that's for sure,

0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.320
<v Speaker 1>you know. Getting back into the survivor of the game,

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<v Speaker 1>who do you think at this point has played the

0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.520
<v Speaker 1>best Australian Survivor game.

0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.720
<v Speaker 2>I have two mindsets about this. I think that terms

0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.640
<v Speaker 2>of the survivor my mindset, I think that Sam has

0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:14.119
<v Speaker 2>played a really great game. Even pre merged, she was

0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:16.919
<v Speaker 2>calling kind of the shots and knowing where the boats

0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.960
<v Speaker 2>were heading. You know, she had to be absorbed into

0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:24.359
<v Speaker 2>her husband's alliance, and you know she had to you know,

0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:28.879
<v Speaker 2>see off her closest allies in the game, and you know,

0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:34.120
<v Speaker 2>that's a hard journey too to have compared to others

0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:38.120
<v Speaker 2>that are kind of coasting it. But I also like Jordie,

0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Jordie ja or kJ you know, I really like the

0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:46.639
<v Speaker 2>underdog factor. You know, they are definitely the minority. They

0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:50.119
<v Speaker 2>are coming back, and you know, to see who climbs

0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:54.639
<v Speaker 2>up to the top and tries to revolt something. I

0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:56.040
<v Speaker 2>would appreciate that too.

0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.560
<v Speaker 1>I wondered whether or not you going into purgatory last,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, do you do you think that had an

0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.359
<v Speaker 1>effect on the way in which you came back to

0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.040
<v Speaker 1>play that game. Do you think that being in purgators

0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:09.840
<v Speaker 1>for as long as say Shay built up this absolute

0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.359
<v Speaker 1>determination or do you not think that that even played

0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:13.119
<v Speaker 1>in as a factor.

0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I think everyone had a similar level of determination because

0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:20.160
<v Speaker 2>we all we all said, whoever goes back, they need

0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.600
<v Speaker 2>to like stick together. They need to you know, they

0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:24.880
<v Speaker 2>need to stick together. We need to revolt, we need

0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.960
<v Speaker 2>to try, you know, don't just go back to the majority.

0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:32.879
<v Speaker 2>So everybody had the same level of determination. But I

0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:35.720
<v Speaker 2>think it's just down to that stick. It's so high

0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:39.280
<v Speaker 2>you can't see, it's so heavy. You know, perseverance did

0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:43.520
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't my friend, and that was that was my wrongdoing.

0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:46.040
<v Speaker 2>I just could not, for the life of me put

0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.400
<v Speaker 2>that ball up on that that ledge thing that brought

0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.440
<v Speaker 2>it down. Just couldn't. The ball kept hitting my head.

0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:54.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, slowly.

0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:56.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, you can't say straight because you've been smacked

0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:57.800
<v Speaker 1>in the head that many times.

0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:01.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the sun is glaring and your eye and

0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.800
<v Speaker 2>the wind and the stess. It was just a mess.

0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, I was rooting for you started off well, so

0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:08.640
<v Speaker 1>I was like, yes, go go, and.

0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:10.600
<v Speaker 2>You know I started off strong.

0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:12.440
<v Speaker 3>I was like yes.

0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:14.679
<v Speaker 2>The wind picked up and I just was like, who's

0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.000
<v Speaker 2>see you? By that stage is I'd been crying.

0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, the Alliance of six is now set

0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.800
<v Speaker 1>to be picked apart. Do you think that Mark and

0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Sam have an easy path now or an easy road

0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:30.760
<v Speaker 1>to being in the final three? I mean, are they

0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:32.280
<v Speaker 1>indestructible at this point?

0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:34.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean they've got two idols and they can play

0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.439
<v Speaker 2>it up to five people left and now there's you

0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:39.280
<v Speaker 2>know now, I mean back it's like back to nine.

0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:43.040
<v Speaker 2>But they have they have created so much trust within

0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.879
<v Speaker 2>the tribe. I mean, like they have the stability of

0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:51.639
<v Speaker 2>Mark with you know, showing good trust with someone quite

0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:58.200
<v Speaker 2>stable like Josh who doesn't like chaos or playing the game.

0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:03.399
<v Speaker 2>He likes to play game conservatively, so you know, showing

0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:05.919
<v Speaker 2>trust with that. And you know, I think they're playing

0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:09.440
<v Speaker 2>a great game whether or not that's maybe one day

0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.880
<v Speaker 2>they'll believe that, like the others will believe that there

0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:15.879
<v Speaker 2>are two idols, then maybe that will be a different situation.

0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:18.119
<v Speaker 3>Who do you think is going to win at this point?

0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, at your point now with you joining

0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the jury, were you thinking one person in particular is.

0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:25.720
<v Speaker 3>Going to win?

0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Not at that moment, I would say that I would

0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:33.399
<v Speaker 2>have more people that I thought I wouldn't like they

0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:36.040
<v Speaker 2>didn't show me enough for them to for me to

0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:41.360
<v Speaker 2>give them the half a million being I guess Christie

0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:45.000
<v Speaker 2>and Dave right now just because they haven't shown me

0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.359
<v Speaker 2>like they've been in cruise control. They've just been writing

0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.760
<v Speaker 2>the coattails of the couples. So I know who I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't give it to right now, But there's still more

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<v Speaker 2>to the game to be played. Maybe they'll change my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>The last question I ask everyone who's joined the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>it has been you know what's something from behind the saynes?

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<v Speaker 1>That way, as an audience didn't get a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>say that, you'd like to share with us something from

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<v Speaker 1>behind the saynes of your experience on Survivor.

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<v Speaker 2>There's just so much laughter and so much belly laughter,

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<v Speaker 2>and so much entertainment that some people bring j with

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<v Speaker 2>his rapping skills, you can just skit whatever you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you could just give him more than you'll be able

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. Just a lot of laughing. Even we

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<v Speaker 2>had this. I think it was Sam because Sam is

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<v Speaker 2>a theater student as well as well and was a

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<v Speaker 2>law student. And there was this moment where people like

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<v Speaker 2>they'd be witches and then they'll sing like they'll do

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<v Speaker 2>that Macbeth like double double boil in trouble by a

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<v Speaker 2>burn and culdron bubble, and they started recruiting witches and

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<v Speaker 2>I think Con was one and even Krop was one,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, just just belly laughing. I remember there

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<v Speaker 2>was you know, we would sing songs and obviously it

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't make the cut because of copyright, but we would

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<v Speaker 2>sing a whole new world, Meet me, Khan and Sam

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<v Speaker 2>and Kan would be the magic red parpet with my

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<v Speaker 2>red sarong on the ground and I'd be Aladdin and

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<v Speaker 2>Sam would be Dasmin. But we will be seeing so

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<v Speaker 2>off tune and laughing. I was like, this was truly

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<v Speaker 2>make the fun we had even sing we just laughing.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, a lot of singing, a lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all the off camera things like you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>some got shown, like the fashion show and the and

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<v Speaker 2>the chef cooking thing of Khan. You know, there were moments,

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<v Speaker 2>there were moral moments like that that I wish was

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<v Speaker 2>on a lot of bonding moments.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, well, I have to ask for a director's cut

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<v Speaker 1>because I want to say that Aladdin.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to see the Aladdin.

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<v Speaker 2>Please, let's all have a petition to get the Aladdin

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<v Speaker 2>thing out. I really wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just say thank you so much for being

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<v Speaker 1>here and having this chat. I loved your time on

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<v Speaker 1>the show. I thought it was quite fantastic and I

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<v Speaker 1>hope that you're as proud as the fandom that is

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<v Speaker 1>out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm I'm like shocked with the amount of love

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm you know, from different parts of the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just been amazing and just like so fortunate,

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<v Speaker 2>so grateful for everyone to like just tuned in and

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<v Speaker 2>didn't call me a sheep.

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<v Speaker 3>Just remember you just block anyone that ever says anything.

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<v Speaker 2>That yes, noticed Michael, block and delete. Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, my hair look great that day. And what

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<v Speaker 3>did you say about me not a goat? Goodbye?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So thanks so much for the chat. It's been amazing,