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Speaker 1: today's podcast, I have House one Western Australian contestants Kyle
Speaker 1: and Leslie, the viewers fan favorites from The Block twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. This season of the Block has been making
Speaker 1: headlines for the tension between Houses two, three and four,
Speaker 1: which is where we've seen a lot of the drama
Speaker 1: so far, but audiences certainly haven't forgotten about File Leslie,
Speaker 1: especially after Kyle shut down a one sided narrative at
Speaker 1: the first Body corporate meeting. The interesting thing about Kyle
Speaker 1: and Leslie is that you know they were a little
Speaker 1: bit quieter through production, but have quickly become fan favorites.
Speaker 1: The Block always has divided fans over the show's format,
Speaker 1: as some people are there for the renovations and others
Speaker 1: are there for the drama. I think this year has
Speaker 1: been super juicy because both are actually quite phenomenal to watch.
Speaker 1: As we know, this season is set amongst the family
Speaker 1: friendly Melbourne suburb of Hampton East. The new series features
Speaker 1: five houses designed and built in the nineteen fifties, but
Speaker 1: all getting the Block treatment in true Channel nine style.
Speaker 1: I will talk to Kyle and Leslie about this year's
Speaker 1: conflict and if they were worried that they would come
Speaker 1: across as boring. We will find out how the Block
Speaker 1: has changed their lives and what their kids think of
Speaker 1: mum and dad when they don't get the best results.
Speaker 1: We will talk about the word validation and if some
Speaker 1: contestants need more positive reinforcement than others. Plus we will
Speaker 1: get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes of The
Speaker 1: Block twenty twenty three, which has its next room revealed
Speaker 1: this Sunday night on Channel nine and you can catch
Speaker 1: up on nine now if you've fallen just that little
Speaker 1: bit behind. Anyway, guys, let's bring Kyle and Leslie into
Speaker 1: the podcast all the way from Western Australia and I
Speaker 1: hope you enjoy this very fascinating episode of TV reload. Hi,
Speaker 1: Leslie and Kyle, how are you very good? Very well?
Speaker 1: I'm very invested in this season of the Block. I
Speaker 1: do feel like I'm going to need some help at
Speaker 1: some point.
Speaker 3: I'm professional.
Speaker 1: I think I have professional help. I think we can
Speaker 1: all subscribe a group booking for us all. How has
Speaker 1: your life been, you know, for the last few weeks.
Speaker 1: How have you fitted this TV show into your life.
Speaker 3: It's quite tricky actually, like we were talking about the
Speaker 3: other day, can be quite mentally fatiguing in discussing it
Speaker 3: with all the people because everybody's so invested, so all
Speaker 3: the people like in your bubble.
Speaker 2: Then like working in a school, is you know everyone
Speaker 2: that you work with, and there's all the parents and
Speaker 2: there's just so many people, and if everyone's so invested in,
Speaker 2: you're having these conversations constantly as well as just enjoying
Speaker 2: it because we're watching it the same with everyone.
Speaker 3: Else, So we don't know what's happening. We don't know
Speaker 3: what's going to happen that episode.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, do not talk to me between the
Speaker 2: hours of five and seven watching the show.
Speaker 3: I just need to comprehend what's happening.
Speaker 1: I feel like you could do like a zoom chat
Speaker 1: with just all the you know, your closest, your nearest,
Speaker 1: and your dearest, and just say to everyone you get
Speaker 1: one question each, we're here for fifteen minutes after each episode,
Speaker 1: and then leave us.
Speaker 3: Alone because the group check gets a bit crazy. I
Speaker 3: think someone with the Italian family.
Speaker 1: Of course, to get to a point where I ever
Speaker 1: think to yourself, maybe we won't watch tonight's episode.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, no, I could not do that.
Speaker 1: Are the kids able to watch the show with you?
Speaker 1: And do they understand what's going on? And do they
Speaker 1: take things too personally if things aren't going mum and
Speaker 1: Dad's way.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think nothing.
Speaker 5: So far, they watch it with us and they love it,
Speaker 5: and then you know, you'll come home from school and
Speaker 5: I'll stick on Dan and Danny walk around or they're
Speaker 5: fully embracing it.
Speaker 2: But look is old enough now though that you can
Speaker 2: sort of see like someone's talking about something, he's oh
Speaker 2: really an he's sort of having a reaction to, you know.
Speaker 3: What people might be saying about us sort of thing.
Speaker 2: But like, for the most part, like doing the challenges
Speaker 2: and then watching that as well, is that was exciting
Speaker 2: because when we were doing the challenges, we thought, oh,
Speaker 2: they're really going to love this stuff like the sounds
Speaker 2: sculpting and things like that, and then staying there with
Speaker 2: them and they still find it as amusing when all
Speaker 2: the little banners pop up like dining disaster and they're
Speaker 2: just like, oh, look just for the novels is not
Speaker 2: more officers.
Speaker 1: Yet it's a great show because it is something that
Speaker 1: the family can watch. Sunday Lights particularly. I think you know,
Speaker 1: half Australia seems to watch.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And I think that was definitely, you know,
Speaker 5: a driving factor in terms of our attitude on the
Speaker 5: show and how we sort of you know, reacted to
Speaker 5: whether it was the feedback wasn't you know what we wanted,
Speaker 5: or when things were challenging that we didn't sort of,
Speaker 5: you know, let it get us down too much because
Speaker 5: of how that might reflect for the boys watching it back,
Speaker 5: and yeah, potentially them struggling watching ours struggles. So we
Speaker 5: decided to sort of keep a positive attitude and always
Speaker 5: put a little positive spin on everything that was happening,
Speaker 5: even if it wasn't sort of going away.
Speaker 2: I guess, do you.
Speaker 1: Think once you get to the end of this series,
Speaker 1: maybe watching yourselves and seeing how you interact with others,
Speaker 1: do you think reality TV can sort of change who
Speaker 1: you are as a person or do you think that
Speaker 1: this is a moment in time.
Speaker 3: I think it's hard to say, because I think.
Speaker 2: All along the way, we were always who we are
Speaker 2: as people in our normal life. Like we always had
Speaker 2: this perspective that there was life outside of this, you know,
Speaker 2: even though you caught up in the bubble, we always
Speaker 2: had this thing that maybe that was the kids, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but it was this perspective of like, nothing
Speaker 2: can be so terrible in this situation, Like you would
Speaker 2: feel like crap and you get terrible feedback or whatever
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 3: But we always just.
Speaker 2: Had this, well, we just keep pushing through because we're
Speaker 2: here for the opportunity, and we've always sort of had
Speaker 2: that perspective and even coming out of it, and you know,
Speaker 2: of course everyone reads the comments.
Speaker 3: But for the most part we just laugh.
Speaker 2: Like someone's like, oh my god, I can't believe they
Speaker 2: got given the table whatever it's a didn't feed or
Speaker 2: something like that, because you just go, that's not it's not.
Speaker 3: Real life kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Like the situation is that the money could be end
Speaker 2: but that particular thing that you did at.
Speaker 3: The time sort of if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting with the two of you as well.
Speaker 1: Quite often we read on social media that you two
Speaker 1: are the fan favorites, and it's always really funny when
Speaker 1: you think about social hierarchy inside these shows when productions
Speaker 1: happening versus public perception of everyone. Were you surprised to
Speaker 1: be the couple that the fans seem to like the best.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, I think we are relatable, and
Speaker 5: I think we give an opinion or a perspective that
Speaker 5: people see and I don't know, they draw in too
Speaker 5: that and go that's how I would react in that situation.
Speaker 4: Well, that's how I'm feeling now.
Speaker 5: Watching it, so you know, I mean, they make that
Speaker 5: sort of connection straight away.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was the fact that.
Speaker 5: We've probably been a bit more involved in watching the
Speaker 5: show in the past and really well, obviously we wanted
Speaker 5: to be on the show.
Speaker 4: We've tried out the most out of all the couple,
Speaker 4: so we were.
Speaker 5: Kind of just that was our focus for a lot
Speaker 5: of the time being there is you know, making the
Speaker 5: most of the experience, and we sort of didn't go
Speaker 5: off at any other tangent in terms of drama or
Speaker 5: no creating a stir.
Speaker 2: So there were definitely times that you felt, mean, for
Speaker 2: lack of a better word, boring when you were there.
Speaker 2: That's before the show's even gone to end people even
Speaker 2: see it, because you could already see there were things
Speaker 2: happening that were way more interesting, if you will, and
Speaker 2: you kind of went, oh, are we here, Like we're
Speaker 2: sort of just getting on with building and renovating and all.
Speaker 3: That sort of stuff, and you sort of went, oh.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, but I guess our role in that
Speaker 2: sense was that we were there to narrate what was happening,
Speaker 2: because that's not our style to get involved, you know,
Speaker 2: and have conflict with people.
Speaker 3: So then I guess the part that we played.
Speaker 2: Was to narrate on what was happening, because I mean,
Speaker 2: I s don't want to know about what's happening.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about it. I don't want to
Speaker 3: miss anything, but I just don't want it to involve me.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that sort of became the part
Speaker 2: that we played, just narrating what was happening around the
Speaker 2: place without actually ever having a side.
Speaker 4: So to speak.
Speaker 1: I think as well, they kind of know the personalities.
Speaker 1: They do a lot of psychological assessment on knowing personality
Speaker 1: types and casting you both in there where you both
Speaker 1: aren't going to see drama or bigger personalities and try
Speaker 1: and beat it, but you guys still stay on your level.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it became pretty clear pretty early that
Speaker 5: there was some big personalities and they were trumped anything
Speaker 5: that we were sort of going to be able to
Speaker 5: bring in that sort of domain. So yeah, I feel
Speaker 5: like it was fairly obvious that where we stood in
Speaker 5: the whole group and it was it was always going
Speaker 5: to be drama packed because you know, I mean, everyone's
Speaker 5: competing in each other's backyards and you can see when
Speaker 5: things aren't going right at other people's houses and when
Speaker 5: they are and yeah, it's impossible for it not to
Speaker 5: bring tension and everything that we're seeing on TV.
Speaker 1: I think it's weird that people would say, you know,
Speaker 1: boring or anything like that. I don't see that. I mean, Kyle,
Speaker 1: you really did stand up for yourself and give a voice.
Speaker 1: In the first I went to say town meeting, it's
Speaker 1: not called a town meeting. In the first the body
Speaker 1: call all the town fucker, we got all the town
Speaker 1: folk together. Oh, first meeting. You I thought people could
Speaker 1: have been loud and obnoxious or whatever, and you two
Speaker 1: could have easily just been quiet. But you know, you
Speaker 1: do still speak up and put your point across. It's
Speaker 1: just probably not aggressive, but you know, probably not as dominating,
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think you know, I mean, that meeting
Speaker 5: had gone on for quite a while up until it
Speaker 5: when I eventually spoke up, and you know, it was, yeah,
Speaker 5: I was getting over it, and you know, there was
Speaker 5: just a part of me that didn't like about how
Speaker 5: it was all structured and how it was very much
Speaker 5: It's not to blindside anyone, but then it really was
Speaker 5: you know, I got to a stage where I was
Speaker 5: like I don't. Yeah, I didn't want to impose myself
Speaker 5: in an aggressive way or anything like that. I just
Speaker 5: wanted to have an opinion and potentially have the opinion
Speaker 5: of others that weren't going to speak up. And that's
Speaker 5: sort of I guess who I am. I'm not someone
Speaker 5: that gets on the front foot straight away. I, you know,
Speaker 5: will assess what's happening and give everyone their chance to
Speaker 5: have an opinion and not shut it down without sort
Speaker 5: of thinking about how I want to go about it.
Speaker 2: Like I was saying, we've been there for quite some
Speaker 2: time and everyone had tried attempted to say something, and
Speaker 2: if you weren't on board with what the narrative of
Speaker 2: the meeting was, it was like, you know, you were
Speaker 2: just getting spoken over. So I think he got to
Speaker 2: the point where it was like enough.
Speaker 1: But I guess as well, do you think that there's
Speaker 1: been enough balance in who is being shown on the show.
Speaker 5: It's hard because I think the storyline with there and
Speaker 5: Ash and even the four of them, it's so relevant
Speaker 5: to the whole experience for all of us, So I
Speaker 5: think not showing it doesn't really do justice to everyone's experience.
Speaker 5: So even though it's very one side in terms of
Speaker 5: what we're seeing. I do believe that the potentially that
Speaker 5: will swing later on and as you know, the rest of.
Speaker 4: Us get closer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll give a bit of balance and I guess
Speaker 5: maybe give a bit of insight and so what was
Speaker 5: happening before and what happens at the end maybe, And.
Speaker 3: It's positives coming out of that as well.
Speaker 2: So as much as you're sort of seeing the same
Speaker 2: people on TV all the time in a negative way,
Speaker 2: behind that, there's the positive that the relationships that we
Speaker 2: were all starting to make with each other. And so
Speaker 2: I think, like like Well said that that all has
Speaker 2: to be told as part of the story because that
Speaker 2: continued from that moment right to the end and then
Speaker 2: beyond the show. So people are going to get a
Speaker 2: chance to see how that developed.
Speaker 1: Watching the show back. Though, who's shocked you the most?
Speaker 1: I guess you know both of you were there every day,
Speaker 1: but in terms of being the most different to how
Speaker 1: you had perceived it whilst production was on.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: To be honest, I'm not haven't been shocked about anything
Speaker 5: that I've seen so far. Like, obviously you don't know
Speaker 5: what's being said and nothing that's been said in interviews
Speaker 5: or at anyone's house has related to you by producers.
Speaker 4: They're not trying to say, this is what someone said.
Speaker 4: What's your response? Like that doesn't happen.
Speaker 5: So you know you're hearing things a lot of the
Speaker 5: time for the first time with everyone else, but you know,
Speaker 5: I mean, you're around it still, so you would hear
Speaker 5: other things that haven't been shown that. So what you
Speaker 5: do see hasn't surprised me or hasn't shocked me.
Speaker 4: I guess the only thing that shop was that's how
Speaker 4: early it started happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the one gave them cap or something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that did shock me a little bit. Closers
Speaker 5: like how didn't even have an opportunity to form an
Speaker 5: opinion on anyone in the first week, And yeah, others
Speaker 5: had obviously they hit.
Speaker 1: The ground running. I want to know is the drama
Speaker 1: still going? I mean, do you know if Steph and
Speaker 1: Christy and Leah are they are they all friends now? Like,
Speaker 1: are we heading to a happier place with the three
Speaker 1: of them? Or do you think that this is the
Speaker 1: calm before the storm?
Speaker 2: I think even from what we've seen and as it's
Speaker 2: going to develop, it's very hard to come back from
Speaker 2: something like that, and for us it happens later on
Speaker 2: in the show. You know, we become you know, someone's
Speaker 2: focused sort of thing, and so I think it's difficult
Speaker 2: to always come back from something like that. We're all
Speaker 2: adults at the end of the day, and you can
Speaker 2: be amicable, but I think you know when you're going
Speaker 2: to leave with a genuine friendship and something that continues
Speaker 2: beyond the show, and when you're not, and you just
Speaker 2: sort of that's that's absolutely fine. There is ten different
Speaker 2: human beings and you are also different that you can't
Speaker 2: be have a close relationship with everyone.
Speaker 1: It was always going to have it. But do you
Speaker 1: think that being in House one and where you were
Speaker 1: situated was a blessing in disguise as you're kind of
Speaker 1: on the outskirts of it, like you're kind of down
Speaker 1: the end of the block, so less likely to be
Speaker 1: in the thick of it. Do you think that sort
Speaker 1: of helped or would you have preferred to have been
Speaker 1: in the middle.
Speaker 5: No, I was pretty comfortable being House one, and yeah,
Speaker 5: you sort of did feel like you were sheltered a
Speaker 5: little bit from everything else, so we could sort of
Speaker 5: get on with what we were doing and avoid you know,
Speaker 5: some of the prying eyes. Maybe so in terms of
Speaker 5: what I wanted my experience and the show to be,
Speaker 5: I was I was happy to be sheltered a little
Speaker 5: bit from it.
Speaker 1: I mean, the snipes from Leah, Ash and Christy were
Speaker 1: sort of coming in thick and fast this week. Do
Speaker 1: you think that they should have all started to focus
Speaker 1: more on their building of their houses or do you
Speaker 1: think it's just normal to make comment on your work
Speaker 1: colleagues or you know, your fellow contestants.
Speaker 2: I think it's that water cooler stuff, you know, like
Speaker 2: that happens in every workplace everywhere where you like, did
Speaker 2: you see what Susan did or this one's and it's
Speaker 2: it's just that kind of thing with you in an
Speaker 2: office job, whether you're on in a hospital, in it wherever.
Speaker 3: I think it's just something that does naturally happen.
Speaker 2: But I think the most interesting part is that it's
Speaker 2: recorded and we get to watch it, because I think
Speaker 2: if you went to an office block and then you
Speaker 2: played it on the screen for everyone to watch what
Speaker 2: people were saying about who was at the photocopyer, people would.
Speaker 3: Be like, oh my god, I can't believe they said that.
Speaker 3: And it's not like we didn't do that, you know,
Speaker 3: it's true.
Speaker 2: We didn't talk about what was happening, just how we
Speaker 2: spoke about it was never yeah, malicious and in that
Speaker 2: tone you know, you comment on something, Oh, someone struggled
Speaker 2: with this, they had to restumble. There was never a
Speaker 2: malicious tone. It was never a where they're getting help
Speaker 2: from or why is that happening? Or their favorites or
Speaker 2: there was never anything like that. So I think that's
Speaker 2: where that the difference came.
Speaker 1: Leslie. There was that thing that they said that you
Speaker 1: know tonight on the block, Leslie. I don't think it
Speaker 1: was the ad. I actually think I read this online
Speaker 1: somewhere it was like, Leslie storms off because she can't
Speaker 1: take the bitching anymore.
Speaker 4: Did that happen?
Speaker 1: Did you storm off because you were a jack of
Speaker 1: these girls having these problems?
Speaker 2: I laughed at the story when I saw the story,
Speaker 2: because that for those particular pictures didn't even match the
Speaker 2: week that I actually lived. But I left for very
Speaker 2: planned outing, which I came back home for. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean later on it does get a bit tiring.
Speaker 2: I mean we were like, just get me out.
Speaker 1: Of here, So you haven't stormed off yet, but it's
Speaker 1: going to happen. It's on its way. What about you know,
Speaker 1: reading about the commentating the commotation of this season, you
Speaker 1: obviously would see or be tagged in a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: What have you read about yourselves that's been completely untrue?
Speaker 5: We've been lucky in terms of the response to us,
Speaker 5: So I don't really think there's been anything that's been
Speaker 5: too far fetched yet.
Speaker 3: The most savage just our dining room planning.
Speaker 1: I mean, the word validation got thrown around a lot
Speaker 1: this week. Do you think that people these days need
Speaker 1: too much validation? Because I feel like the drama that's
Speaker 1: happening this week about validation comes down to, you know,
Speaker 1: people want to be told that they're doing a good
Speaker 1: job all the time, where I feel like we don't
Speaker 1: always need to be told we've done a good job
Speaker 1: to keep going.
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't.
Speaker 5: I don't think everything everyone needs validation. I feel like
Speaker 5: it's hard if if the only opinion that you give
Speaker 5: is negatives, then you know, I mean, that's difficult to
Speaker 5: take all the time true, And you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: we would always try to be very constructive in terms
Speaker 5: of what we thought of someone's room, whether we liked
Speaker 5: it or not. You know, even the things that we
Speaker 5: didn't like, we weren't ashamed to go and speak to
Speaker 5: that person and let them know. But that wasn't the
Speaker 5: sole purpose of the conversation to say I didn't like this,
Speaker 5: this and this, see you later enjoy the rest of
Speaker 5: your week.
Speaker 4: It wasn't sort of like that.
Speaker 5: And I think especially the girls, like they got beat
Speaker 5: downs from the judges, so then for them, from your peers,
Speaker 5: the only thing they say to you is like, oh,
Speaker 5: Ash said, the most will look like Shrek's cube. It's
Speaker 5: just it's I guess it's a bit of pill to take.
Speaker 5: And it's not that they just want validation all the time.
Speaker 5: You know, it doesn't always have to be solely negative.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone wants a reference of anyone. Pubes,
Speaker 1: whether they're shreks are.
Speaker 4: No, probably not.
Speaker 1: It's a lovely green merk and you're wearing today, are
Speaker 1: they shreks? Pubes are great?
Speaker 2: And like, we didn't agree on the wall, but we
Speaker 2: didn't just walk in there. And Cole didn't just go
Speaker 2: hate it. He was like, it's not for me because
Speaker 2: x y Z and I was like, yeah, that's a
Speaker 2: fair point, but it's in your guest suite, so it's
Speaker 2: not where someone's going to be for you know, three
Speaker 2: months at a time. It's just in they're out the
Speaker 2: visiting and it's a bit of a feature sort of thing,
Speaker 2: and so you give that sort of feedback as in, yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't like it.
Speaker 3: But I do, or you have these things. I don't know.
Speaker 3: But it's hard, isn't it.
Speaker 2: The whole premise of the whole week is to get
Speaker 2: validation from three people so you can have money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, true, I think as well. You know, I actually
Speaker 1: was there when people were doing tours of the houses
Speaker 1: and they saw that feature wall, and I didn't see
Speaker 1: anyone say anything nice about it either. But I guess
Speaker 1: to make success on this show, you really need to
Speaker 1: make some really bold choices outside of just you know,
Speaker 1: what people would do in their homes every day. I mean,
Speaker 1: you do want to have those moments where you feel
Speaker 1: quite polarized. Like, I think that the success of this
Speaker 1: show is people making some bold choices that we can
Speaker 1: at home go well that's fucking shit, Like it's it
Speaker 1: makes it more inclusive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a tricky position to be in
Speaker 5: because it is you're being judged week by week. So essentially,
Speaker 5: you could make a room every week that has nothing
Speaker 5: to do with the room before and nothing to do
Speaker 5: with the room that you're planning in the future. But
Speaker 5: in the whole grand scheme of things, you're trying to
Speaker 5: sell a house or a home, so it has to
Speaker 5: feel like a home. So as much as yeah, the
Speaker 5: focus is.
Speaker 4: In just what you've delivered that week, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: You kind of don't a play safe, but you've got
Speaker 5: to think of the end sort of project or home
Speaker 5: that you're creating.
Speaker 1: If you were just going to create a house that
Speaker 1: was personally tailored to yourself, you might not do all
Speaker 1: of the decisions that you've made. You're trying to win
Speaker 1: the block, do you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I took my head off to Ash and Leah sorry,
Speaker 2: even from their very first bathroom because it was something
Speaker 2: that you wear.
Speaker 3: Oh, I haven't seen that and it's not for me.
Speaker 3: So the living room no for me.
Speaker 2: Great if I was in Palm Springs somewhere on a
Speaker 2: holiday again for a short period of time, awesome if
Speaker 2: that's where you arrived at your airbnb, not the home
Speaker 2: I'm going to buy, but I could appreciate that they
Speaker 2: were taking this whole different path that everyone else was,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: I think also a source of the driver at the
Speaker 1: most moment comes down to Eliza Liberty being accused of
Speaker 1: being Channel Line's favorites. And I guess that was a
Speaker 1: real problem as the show was going on, because they
Speaker 1: got spoken about quite a bit. Did you think they
Speaker 1: were being helped by Channel nine at all?
Speaker 5: I didn't, and I didn't think they were a Channel
Speaker 5: Line plant or whatever the.
Speaker 1: You know, the narrow secret savage. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think what possibly one part of the show that
Speaker 5: people don't understand is that it's the benefit of House
Speaker 5: one is that a lot of the work that Channel
Speaker 5: Lines builders do in conjunction with us starts at House
Speaker 5: one and finishes at House five sort of thing, because
Speaker 5: they have to have some sort of structure and schedule.
Speaker 4: So the negative of being.
Speaker 5: House five is that you often thinks start happening in
Speaker 5: your house later than everyone else. So for me, what
Speaker 5: happened this week with the girls and they're living and dining,
Speaker 5: it needed to happen otherwise they weren't gonna have a
Speaker 5: room to present.
Speaker 4: So nine s builders needed.
Speaker 5: To get in there and finish framing that exterior wall
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. So I didn't see it as
Speaker 5: a favor or anything that you know, someone else wasn't getting.
Speaker 5: The rest of us were still having the same amount
Speaker 5: of work done on our houses, just it had happened earlier.
Speaker 5: And even I don't know even the whole you know,
Speaker 5: Dan being a show for for the I just I
Speaker 5: saw the humor in it.
Speaker 4: I don't know why some people just went straight to
Speaker 4: the you know, it's a favoritism thing.
Speaker 2: It's a shame.
Speaker 1: But from a viewers perspective, I don't necessarily think we're
Speaker 1: seeing them being favored that much.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
Speaker 2: And like you, I used to give them shit, so
Speaker 2: can I say shit? I you know that these little
Speaker 2: men would come in the nighttime and be like, oh okay,
Speaker 2: like because the girls were up, they were doing just
Speaker 2: like we all were, but you know they really did.
Speaker 2: They'd have more consistent over like long nights than everyone else.
Speaker 2: We might go to bed on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday
Speaker 2: at like eleven o'clock. There are two o'clock, three o'clock
Speaker 2: consistently in the week, and so you know, for them
Speaker 2: as well, that feeling of people going like, oh, you're
Speaker 2: just getting help. That's how you're getting finished. Not okay,
Speaker 2: so you go sleep now, and then I'm sleeping, and
Speaker 2: then we're up and we're tagged teaming and they're doing
Speaker 2: their insulation and all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: And if you went for a wonder at twelve o'clock
Speaker 3: at night, two o'clock, they were up, and so I
Speaker 3: think for them that's.
Speaker 2: Where that they really take it to heart, because they
Speaker 2: were slogging it out and you know, and again as
Speaker 2: was I'm not saying other people weren't doing that, but
Speaker 2: no one else is being accused of getting help from
Speaker 2: Channel nine.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that one sort of like is taken. You know,
Speaker 1: that story is grotten legs and arms and walked off
Speaker 1: like you know, I think there's nothing you can do
Speaker 1: about it. I did get told that you get involved
Speaker 1: in the drama at some point, and we're not there
Speaker 1: of the show yet, but can you kind of tease
Speaker 1: me on what does it take for you both to
Speaker 1: get involved in drama? Because I've met you both a
Speaker 1: couple of times before doing this podcast. Your most placid
Speaker 1: loveliness people.
Speaker 2: But us it was because it was a question about
Speaker 2: actual character. So you're taking your coming from what is
Speaker 2: in the bubble that you can accept.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're in a bubble.
Speaker 2: Everyone's going to get a bit heated and bit offended
Speaker 2: about every little thing to questioning us as actual people.
Speaker 2: And I think for us it was I was like,
Speaker 2: absolutely not, that's not what we're about sort of thing,
Speaker 2: and just this feeling at that point like just stay
Speaker 2: in your lane, just worry about yourself, like you.
Speaker 1: Know, you've got some people feel better about themselves by
Speaker 1: like talking about someone else. You know, it happened to
Speaker 1: me for a long period of my life, and that
Speaker 1: I was like it came down to sort of a
Speaker 1: lott of work that I did on myself where the
Speaker 1: more insecure I was, the more I was sort of
Speaker 1: commentating on other people. And then when I realized that
Speaker 1: at those times that I would say something negative about others,
Speaker 1: it was usually at my most insecure, and so I
Speaker 1: learned in those moments to say nothing. You know, one
Speaker 1: of my best friends said to me, Ben Norris, say
Speaker 1: less the best thing I've ever the best thing I'm
Speaker 1: ever going to teach you, you know, But I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, at the same time, it's human nature. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, to sometimes worry about what other people are
Speaker 1: doing and worrying if they're doing it better than you.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, yeah, absolutely it is. I just think
Speaker 4: it needs to needs to happen a different way, and
Speaker 4: it needs to be if you know, if that's your.
Speaker 5: Goal and that's your intention on coming on the show,
Speaker 5: then then share that with everyone. Let us all be
Speaker 5: a part of the game sort of thing. Don't just
Speaker 5: fire bullets and you know, and the rest of us
Speaker 5: can't fire back because we don't know that we're involved
Speaker 5: in conflict sort of.
Speaker 4: Thing, you know what I mean? Yeah, just taking the
Speaker 4: hits and then expect it to laugh about it later on.
Speaker 4: And I don't feel like that's a fair fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. And you know, we've also seen a lot
Speaker 1: of the work now from Neil and Marty, So we've
Speaker 1: had Neil and Marty look at some of these rooms.
Speaker 1: I just wanted your perspective, like, which judge do you prefer?
Speaker 1: Do you prefer your rooms being judged by Neil or Marty?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I prefer either one.
Speaker 5: Obviously, Marty gives a great new perspectives that you know,
Speaker 5: potentially that haven't had before from a judge in terms of.
Speaker 4: From a real estate point of view.
Speaker 5: And obviously Marty doesn't bet around abortion in terms of
Speaker 5: what his opinion is. And I don't know as much
Speaker 5: as sometimes you know, we didn't score great with Marty
Speaker 5: or his feedback wasn't necessarily positive.
Speaker 4: I don't know. We didn't have an issue with no.
Speaker 3: I was never offended.
Speaker 2: I mean I always I was always going to write
Speaker 2: on the cotails of his comment that any real estate
Speaker 2: agent would be lucky to sell our house. I was
Speaker 2: just like, you can say anything right now, and he's
Speaker 2: already said, that's put back.
Speaker 1: What you going to put on that? You know, it's
Speaker 1: what you put on the throw pillow. When did you
Speaker 1: realize that you should have a full open living space
Speaker 1: and one wall needed to come down? When did you
Speaker 1: get to that realization?
Speaker 2: I mean early on, but the options explored weren't plausible
Speaker 2: at the time.
Speaker 3: And when you know, Dan came in and is like, well,
Speaker 3: you need this roll out.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, aha, are you taking the
Speaker 2: piece because it's Tuesday Wednesday?
Speaker 3: With it the date, it was like, that's not happening.
Speaker 2: But in reality, we had so many more questions than
Speaker 2: I had answers to, and we were both like, I
Speaker 2: just how does that look if we don't present a room,
Speaker 2: like how's that playing out here? And I was like,
Speaker 2: I just there wasn't any answers or a path that
Speaker 2: we knew like this is where it was going to go.
Speaker 2: So it was like, can we just let's just get
Speaker 2: to judging, Let's just keep going, finish up where we are,
Speaker 2: and just let me just see it come together. Because
Speaker 2: I'm also a visual tactile person, so I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: how do you know, maybe we'll sit there and there's
Speaker 2: a double side of flyplace and we're having something else
Speaker 2: on the other side, like and I wasn't. We weren't
Speaker 2: trying to put out here in the sand, and it
Speaker 2: was disappointing when you sort of went, oh, it's so stunning,
Speaker 2: and yes it is small. I'm not an idiot.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: It was small, But there was just no answer at
Speaker 2: that moment of like, look, just don't present and let's
Speaker 2: explore all these options and we you know then that
Speaker 2: came later on obviously, So for me, I was just
Speaker 2: like I just would have Yeah, we decided we'll get
Speaker 2: to judging. Take the hit on the chin if it
Speaker 2: was going to go super badly, and then decide from there,
Speaker 2: you know what it is.
Speaker 3: That we were going to do.
Speaker 1: I think it is really hard. I guess if you
Speaker 1: get the bottom score, I guess, or whatever, it's going
Speaker 1: to change the way that your next week goes. It's
Speaker 1: not always a bad thing either, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I think sometimes if you do rank
Speaker 1: at the bottom, you go, Okay, well I'm going to
Speaker 1: try and do things differently the next week, and then
Speaker 1: you level up. I feel like kind of doesn't always
Speaker 1: have to be that bad, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You can try and look for the positive and that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, And even you know, even based on living
Speaker 5: and dining week, it was still the fact that the
Speaker 5: room was beautiful. You know, the styling was beautiful, so
Speaker 5: you know, you really sort of focused on those positive
Speaker 5: and go, well, it's just the fact that it's too
Speaker 5: small and we can fix that. You know now that
Speaker 5: we can plan to fix it. So you know, the
Speaker 5: bones and the structure were there, and that's really what
Speaker 5: we focused on.
Speaker 4: I think after that.
Speaker 1: Judging, Yeah, do you have a favorite room at this point?
Speaker 1: What's the room that you feel the most proud of.
Speaker 5: Well, in terms of what's being done, I really love
Speaker 5: our whole space, But in.
Speaker 4: Terms of what's to come, my favorite is the master.
Speaker 1: On Suite, and you're going to recreate that in your
Speaker 1: own home. I mean the show is very good when
Speaker 1: it's being aspirational. You kind of want to watch the
Speaker 1: show and you know, have that level of integrity of
Speaker 1: building to be just that level above what you probably
Speaker 1: could really afford. I think that's kind of like you know,
Speaker 1: home pawn or whatever.
Speaker 5: It's definitely attraction of being on the show, the fact
Speaker 5: that you can create, you know, a multimillion dollar home
Speaker 5: that you know that's very much not in the opportunity
Speaker 5: for you know, the average Joe.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's an amazing opportunity to have.
Speaker 3: But then having said that too, we also do things
Speaker 3: where you hope someone at home who is on a
Speaker 3: budget can go, oh, they're just they put sand in
Speaker 3: their paint and they got this textured finish that looks stunny,
Speaker 3: like we could do that.
Speaker 1: Where are you going to take this? I mean, after
Speaker 1: you've been on the show, you might win millions of dollars,
Speaker 1: we don't know, But where where do you want to
Speaker 1: take this experience. I mean, are you wanting to move
Speaker 1: more into this sort of work full time?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's really hard. Like I probably need to hone in
Speaker 3: on it in the next seven weeks and the show
Speaker 3: in I don't know yet.
Speaker 2: I definitely, I guess I want to be in the
Speaker 2: space in some way now that I've sort of done that,
Speaker 2: Like I love being in a Kidney classroom.
Speaker 3: But I'm like more like, you know, obviously, because we'll.
Speaker 2: Put the show so I'm like, yeah, I just don't
Speaker 2: know where it's going to go, but I hope it's somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Who do you think at this stage, like even
Speaker 1: watching the show back, who do you think is going
Speaker 1: to get the most amount of money out of all
Speaker 1: the houses? Out of one to five? Do you have
Speaker 1: a house that do you think is going to going
Speaker 1: to win? Or too busy vision boarding your own house
Speaker 1: at that spot.
Speaker 5: I'm very confident in terms of what we finished with
Speaker 5: and how it makes people feel and that emotional connection
Speaker 5: that Scottie really drives home. I feel like you do
Speaker 5: get that with our home. I think, you know, Stephan
Speaker 5: John's plays ticks a lot of the right boxes, you know,
Speaker 5: just in terms of even just orientation, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. And they've got that massive living dining era
Speaker 5: in the kitchen to come. Yeah, I think it's it
Speaker 5: might be hard to trump them, but you know, so
Speaker 5: let's do this.
Speaker 1: We're going to go with Stephan Giarn than yourself. Then
Speaker 1: who is third, fourth, and fifth?
Speaker 4: Would I would put the girl's third again because of the.
Speaker 5: Norse aspects well, and then just pro purely from an
Speaker 5: investment point of view, probably lear in Ashle than Christian Bratt.
Speaker 1: All right, there we go. There's our five, which is good.
Speaker 1: It's always hard to be put on the spot with
Speaker 1: those ones, but it's what people want to know. They want,
Speaker 1: they want the juicy. I guess I think I asked
Speaker 1: you a little bit about this earlier. But do you
Speaker 1: know if the drama is still going? Do you know
Speaker 1: that Steph and Christian and Lea are they still going
Speaker 1: out and have their friends? Now?
Speaker 4: Do we know the answer that post post show?
Speaker 1: Yeah, post show? What do we know? Are they okay?
Speaker 1: Now we need to.
Speaker 3: Call them friends?
Speaker 5: I think I think personally, I think that the six
Speaker 5: of us will remain very close and potentially not feel
Speaker 5: the need to have to be close with the other four.
Speaker 1: Okay, there we go. That's that's what's happening for Christmas.
Speaker 1: Some people are on the Christmas put some people aren't.
Speaker 3: And I only have six chairs around my dining.
Speaker 1: Table that's there, then it's fair you can't bring another
Speaker 1: chair in.
Speaker 3: Carl's got broad shoulders. It starts kidding.
Speaker 1: In the media this week, we've heard a lot about
Speaker 1: Dalsford was supposed to be the next block, and they're
Speaker 1: saying that it's not going to happen. Do you guys
Speaker 1: have any ideas as to where you think the block
Speaker 1: should be for the twentieth anniversary.
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know. I think I think the
Speaker 4: Suburbs worked.
Speaker 5: I liked I liked how the show ran, and obviously
Speaker 5: it was much easier for the crew not having to sort.
Speaker 1: Of be in the mud and the cold.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. So I'm not sure. I hope they come
Speaker 4: up with a space.
Speaker 5: That gives justice to the twentieth season. I would I
Speaker 5: mean me personally, I would love to see like a
Speaker 5: gap week series again, where you're all in the same building,
Speaker 5: you know, trying to get out the same flight of
Speaker 5: stairs and just you.
Speaker 2: Know, it'd be good to see teams not just like couples,
Speaker 2: but like teams.
Speaker 1: Teams sounds like too many people. It's bad enough with
Speaker 1: two people per house.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mentioned that, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: And before you guys going to ask you what is
Speaker 1: something from behind the scenes, something we won't see, kind
Speaker 1: of like a behind the scenes secret to what it's
Speaker 1: like to film the block.
Speaker 2: For me, I think one of the most memorable things
Speaker 2: is the crew and the people that no one else
Speaker 2: gets to see. That was really especially in the beginning
Speaker 2: when you haven't really gotten to know contestants. You're getting
Speaker 2: miked up by the saying people you're all up at
Speaker 2: that time of the morning, you're all going.
Speaker 3: To bed late.
Speaker 2: You form these relationships with people and you get to
Speaker 2: know people and they're on the other side, which I
Speaker 2: think is what translates to what people can see, because
Speaker 2: once you have those relationships, you feel comfortable to.
Speaker 3: Talk and to say things, and so there's something to yet.
Speaker 2: I think that's one of my favorite things about behind
Speaker 2: the scenes.
Speaker 3: And they come.
Speaker 2: Back again and again like they have been there for
Speaker 2: years and years and years, and there's people who go
Speaker 2: from being just runners and then you know they said, oh,
Speaker 2: that's how I started out and now I'm doing this
Speaker 2: and so it is somewhay that people want to be working.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it does translate when you.
Speaker 1: When you're to skip kinder kids. For being a television producer.
Speaker 3: I'd be really good at that. Actually, people trust me,
Speaker 3: they tell me.
Speaker 1: People they tell you all of their pulling secrets. So
Speaker 1: I think it's a skill set. Yeah, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for being so generous with your time and chatting
Speaker 1: with me today.
Speaker 4: Speak to you again.
Speaker 2: H m hm