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Speaker 1: On today's podcast, I have Ellen Ding, who most of
Speaker 1: Australia would know from Married at First Side, but is
Speaker 1: now the narrator of Love Triangle, a different dating show
Speaker 1: with a big twist now Onstann Australia. This Math's alumni
Speaker 1: never thought in her wildest dreams that she would be
Speaker 1: a narrator of a television show alone another dating series, However,
Speaker 1: with a very worldly tone to her voice and another
Speaker 1: experience in the game, I think this transition from reality
Speaker 1: TV participant to TV presenter is going to be a
Speaker 1: pretty smooth transition. Since we last saw Ella on television,
Speaker 1: she has split from Mitch, who was her former TV husband.
Speaker 1: You'd know that if you read the Daily Mail or
Speaker 1: any magazine in the country or follow her on social media,
Speaker 1: but you would also know that she has found love again.
Speaker 1: Her career in television is on the up and up,
Speaker 1: and if you've missed the first season of Love Triangle,
Speaker 1: that is no bother to her, as there's plenty of
Speaker 1: time to catch up on the popular stand streaming service.
Speaker 2: We will talk.
Speaker 1: About the way in which this show works, from setting
Speaker 1: up three singles blindly via text to the judgmental way
Speaker 1: we all approach dating. Alla will talk about her social
Speaker 1: media and if she worries about being canceled from her opinions,
Speaker 1: what she thinks of the Dominica versus Olivia Debarkle now
Speaker 1: that there's been more water under the bridge, and how
Speaker 1: she has grown from her reality TV experience. We will
Speaker 1: discuss some of the show's first matches in episodes one
Speaker 1: and two, who Ella thinks did a good job standing
Speaker 1: up for themselves, and if there's a real chance of
Speaker 1: actually finding love on this show. Plus, we will get
Speaker 1: plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes of Love Triangle
Speaker 1: season two, which you can now catch up on on
Speaker 1: stut Australia, which already has its first two episodes out
Speaker 1: this week. Anyway, let's bring Ella into the podcasting. Guys,
Speaker 1: I really hope you enjoyed this chat, and I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure that you're going to leave being quite desperate to
Speaker 1: watch the show. How are you anyway?
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit tired today, but I'm always good.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, you look fresh, so you don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about that. If that's how you look tired, I
Speaker 1: sign me up. Oh, this is a pretty cool gig
Speaker 1: for you. You know, how did this opportunity come up? Because
Speaker 1: people go on shows like Married at First Sight and
Speaker 1: that's the last we ever see of them.
Speaker 3: Honestly, such a random opportunity to come up, Like, I
Speaker 3: never imagined myself.
Speaker 2: To be narrating a show.
Speaker 3: So Tara the ep for Maths we've always stayed in
Speaker 3: touch through social media, and then she just reached out
Speaker 3: to me through Instagram with the opportunity, and yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean it was a no brainer to work with her.
Speaker 3: But in a different way. Straight away, I was like, great,
Speaker 3: this is a new challenge, it's a new skill, it's
Speaker 3: from a different perspective of the show.
Speaker 2: Throw me in, let's go.
Speaker 1: You always hear these horror stories. I know Tara and
Speaker 1: she's a lovely person, but like you hear the horror
Speaker 1: stories of her clashing with some of the contestants on Maths.
Speaker 1: Is it hard to navigate that relationship? Like did you
Speaker 1: clash with her on the show when you were making it?
Speaker 3: I mean I never really clashed like in a bad
Speaker 3: way with any production or cars. I wouldn't say it
Speaker 3: was ever bad Tara. I just looked at the big boss.
Speaker 3: I was like, she's the big boss. Just to do
Speaker 3: what she says, Like, if she's telling you to get
Speaker 3: to the point of a conversation, just get there, Like,
Speaker 3: just don't get on the bad side. I feel like
Speaker 3: that's just common sense. Though for me with any of
Speaker 3: these experiences, it's like you're not there to piss the
Speaker 3: production or like the team off, whether it's build a relationship,
Speaker 3: connect or whatever kind of reality show, it is like,
Speaker 3: you're there to do that part of it. Don't make
Speaker 3: it so hard for them.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a series of mass filming at the moment.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll listen to this and realize the story goes
Speaker 1: really well for you if you do what Tara says.
Speaker 3: So to me, it was really just common sense to
Speaker 3: kind of be nice to her.
Speaker 1: I think your voice suits this series so well. You
Speaker 1: have like a very street wise, charismatic way of speaking.
Speaker 1: It kind of gives me like Secret Life of Us
Speaker 1: narration love.
Speaker 2: That thank you.
Speaker 3: I like to think that my voice does come from
Speaker 3: a place of like experience. You know, we've all got
Speaker 3: a story to tell, right, and so I do. I
Speaker 3: listen and watch Love Trianglan was like, Wow, it really
Speaker 3: does work well. Like the first time I watched it,
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I don't know, Like it's always
Speaker 3: a bit weird hearing yourself, especially in this sort of situation.
Speaker 3: So I was a bit weirded out at first, But
Speaker 3: now I've watched it a few times, I'm like, ah,
Speaker 3: I actually think it does work.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's something very sexy, but very interesting
Speaker 1: about the way in which you are articulating it without
Speaker 1: it being too overpowering and distracting from the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think as well, like what Tara and
Speaker 3: John and what they really were wanting was, or how
Speaker 3: they fell in choosing me, I guess was that my
Speaker 3: voice is coming from like the place of I've been
Speaker 3: through what these guys are all going through. Like I've
Speaker 3: done reality TV to hope to find love. I've been
Speaker 3: through what they're going through post show, and now I'm
Speaker 3: in a healthy relationship. So it's almost like my voice
Speaker 3: is coming from where they've all been.
Speaker 1: There's an authority that comes with you doing this, Like
Speaker 1: I think even for people who didn't watch Maths, they'll
Speaker 1: be like, who is this voice? Like it's very intoxicating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, I'll take.
Speaker 1: That for people who might not have seen series one.
Speaker 1: So Love Triangle sees, you know, six singles who are
Speaker 1: all mad with two suitors. At first, they can only
Speaker 1: communicate via text and phone call, which I think is crazy.
Speaker 1: The rule is that no one can physically describe themselves,
Speaker 1: so like selfies and facetiming up apparently all out of
Speaker 1: the question. It's very juicy, but like, after three days
Speaker 1: of communicating virtually the singles must choose the match that
Speaker 1: they think is the most potential setting people up for
Speaker 1: you know, a bit of a disaster, but it makes
Speaker 1: very good television.
Speaker 3: It's a very interesting and wild concept. You know, we're
Speaker 3: also used to on the dating apps, like just choosing
Speaker 3: someone based off the looks most of the time, if
Speaker 3: you are swiping your looking for that instant oh my gosh, hey,
Speaker 3: or she's hot or like something that they're physically attracted to,
Speaker 3: rather even getting to.
Speaker 2: Know who they actually are as a person.
Speaker 3: So I think it is a really cool concept how
Speaker 3: they are texting for just a few days and it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: you've got a few days to build a connection or
Speaker 3: chemistry or build something so that this the original chooses one.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like and then both the singles
Speaker 3: know that they're kind of like in competition in a
Speaker 3: way that they've got to spark something fiery or flirty up.
Speaker 3: I couldn't imagine doing I think it would be really hard.
Speaker 1: I'm someone who married someone on television that they've never
Speaker 1: met before. Maybe it's easier.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's easier to do that because I
Speaker 3: don't know. It's like you're going on a blind date,
Speaker 3: but yes, you're marrying them, But I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's I think it's harder what they're doing in love triangle.
Speaker 1: I like it because you know, for me, I always
Speaker 1: was attracted to men who were taller than me. I
Speaker 1: was like, it was a non negotiable I needed to
Speaker 1: be the shorter man in the relationship. And yet I'm
Speaker 1: being with a partner now for thirteen years who is
Speaker 1: much shorter than me, and we are such a good match.
Speaker 1: But it just goes to show you that those superficial
Speaker 1: things that we put in place, the things that we
Speaker 1: think we need in a relationship, aren't maybe the things
Speaker 1: that we need.
Speaker 3: There's so much more to if we're trying to find
Speaker 3: that person who we hope to be with forever.
Speaker 2: Looks die over time.
Speaker 3: It's like the soul and the personality and like their
Speaker 3: values and the interests and hobbies. It's all those things
Speaker 3: that keep relationships alive right like forever.
Speaker 2: And I also do think that looks grow.
Speaker 3: I've definitely dated before where I wasn't really attracted to them,
Speaker 3: but something kept me in and then they went from
Speaker 3: being you know, maybe a six out of ten to
Speaker 3: like a ten out of ten because of the personality.
Speaker 1: One of my best friends calls it talented man syndrome
Speaker 1: because she likes musos and she's like, he could be disgusting,
Speaker 1: but if he can play guitar, She's like, he goes
Speaker 1: from two to like a ten. So and that changes
Speaker 1: for everyone. We've all got our strange dynamics on you know,
Speaker 1: what can escalate a two to a ten, you know.
Speaker 3: But I think in this generation that we live in
Speaker 3: now and like this this world of modern dating, yes,
Speaker 3: it's very scary out there, it's pretty like harsh now.
Speaker 3: I just feel like it's really like it's sad the
Speaker 3: way that it, you know, is going. I think that
Speaker 3: we all just need to be a lot more open
Speaker 3: minded because there's so many more women that are, you know,
Speaker 3: older in their thirties who are successful, gorgeous, but it's single.
Speaker 3: And I feel like men as well, like are becoming
Speaker 3: more commitment fobes or noncommittal because they're like, is they're
Speaker 3: better than what's in front of me? Like no one's
Speaker 3: It seems like people just aren't like happy enough because
Speaker 3: they're always wondering is they're better.
Speaker 2: Is they're better?
Speaker 1: Well, I think that the fuck boy derivative comes from
Speaker 1: there's a lot of younger parents saying to their boys,
Speaker 1: don't settle down and get married early, like play the
Speaker 1: field just like they've been told to do that.
Speaker 2: It is very different.
Speaker 3: And the fuck boys, I feel like they're just everywhere now,
Speaker 3: like they're just breeding with mates and telling all their
Speaker 3: mates how to be. And even the conversations that men
Speaker 3: are having these days are very different about women. And
Speaker 3: I feel like for women it hasn't really changed that much.
Speaker 3: And I'm just speaking from my experience for me being
Speaker 3: single for Nelly ten years and my conversations that I
Speaker 3: was having with my girlfriends, it always stayed the same.
Speaker 2: But I feel like with men it's changed a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the cheap, cheap being passed around at these pubs.
Speaker 1: They're on the beers, the nose beers. They're out there
Speaker 1: and they're swapping these ways in which that you can
Speaker 1: court a woman and make her feel like the universe
Speaker 1: only that they're all lines and they're saying them to everybody.
Speaker 3: You know, bread crumbing, there's love bombing, there's ghosting, like
Speaker 3: there's these all these things that people have come up
Speaker 3: with over time that are so real now and it's
Speaker 3: very scary.
Speaker 1: How much of what happens in the series do you
Speaker 1: know about when you're recording your part of the show, Like,
Speaker 1: that's the thing that I think would be really fascinating.
Speaker 1: Are you just reading lines or are you following production
Speaker 1: with how these relationships are working out?
Speaker 2: I'm literally finding out as I read.
Speaker 3: I didn't get to see basically any of it properly
Speaker 3: until I recorded the second last or the final voiceover.
Speaker 3: And yeah, so when I was reading the script, I'd
Speaker 3: be like, wait what I don't even know what these
Speaker 3: people look like.
Speaker 2: Properly, Like who's this? Oh my gosh, this actually just happened.
Speaker 2: Like I was always a bit distracted because I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: I need answers. This can't be this can't be happening.
Speaker 3: But it was hard to like embody the emotion without
Speaker 3: actually seeing it. Hey, this is going to be a
Speaker 3: really sad scene, so let's try to take it down
Speaker 3: the tone and you know, slow it down or okay,
Speaker 3: now we're storytelling, or now this is exciting, and like
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: It was really it was really challenging.
Speaker 1: But do you have a director there that's sort of
Speaker 1: directing you through those emotions, like though that probably doesn't
Speaker 1: suit what's happened, or.
Speaker 2: Definitely someone there.
Speaker 3: I'm not just in a room by myself.
Speaker 1: You can read along with it in your book. You
Speaker 1: will know it is time to turn the page when
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: I was working with Joseph who was from EndemolShine, and
Speaker 3: he was great, like he never made me feel like
Speaker 3: I wasn't doing it right, which I was a bit
Speaker 3: nervous about going into it. I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: what if I do this really terribly? What if isn't
Speaker 3: it's not up to scratch, like this is such a
Speaker 3: big deal. But no, he always, like real shured me
Speaker 3: and gave me some tips, and pointer is and we're
Speaker 3: both very happy with how it's come out. So I
Speaker 3: went back and watched Love Triangle season one to hear
Speaker 3: who the narrator was, because I was like, wait, sometimes
Speaker 3: you just forget, like what it sounds like. And my
Speaker 3: voice is very different to season one's narrator, like it's
Speaker 3: you know, ten tones deeper.
Speaker 1: Now it works so much better. I like the deepness
Speaker 1: to it, though, as I said, it's that authority. What
Speaker 1: do you think of the matches so far, so episodes
Speaker 1: one and two are out, so we don't want to
Speaker 1: try and spoil too much, but I guess, yeah, what
Speaker 1: are you thinking? What are your thoughts on these matches
Speaker 1: so far?
Speaker 3: Well, obviously what we've seen is some haven't been overly happy.
Speaker 3: Those first impressions are really important, I guess, especially at
Speaker 3: the start of an experience. We're we're about to move
Speaker 3: in with a complete stranger for six weeks, so your
Speaker 3: first impressions are.
Speaker 2: Important, but you're also super nervous.
Speaker 3: You're in these controlled environments, so it's hard to adapt
Speaker 3: straight away.
Speaker 2: I think it's really interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean, as it will unfold and as we'll see
Speaker 3: how some might flourish, some might not. I think I
Speaker 3: really loved Emily at the start where she went on
Speaker 3: her date with Sam. I did love how Emily gave
Speaker 3: it back to him a bit right away. That was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: she's a tough chick, like she knows, she knows her worth,
Speaker 3: and she knows she feel like is a confident woman.
Speaker 3: So I did love how she gave it back to
Speaker 3: him a bit.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like, is this show setting people
Speaker 1: up for love or is this show setting us up
Speaker 1: as an audience and these contestants to sort of expose
Speaker 1: how superficial we are because a lot of the matches
Speaker 1: I'm watching, and this is the beauty of this show,
Speaker 1: because you yourself are being judgmental. You yourself are making
Speaker 1: these snap judgments. But are they setting these people up
Speaker 1: to expose those moments that are happening more often than
Speaker 1: not where the guy's too short, or she's too masculine,
Speaker 1: or she's had too much botox, or she's a comedian
Speaker 1: and you know he's a blokey guy, Like, are we
Speaker 1: setting people up in situations where those dynamics aren't looking
Speaker 1: out to expose that superficiality in the dating world.
Speaker 2: I think it's really that's a really interesting question.
Speaker 3: I think for the cast it could be, you know,
Speaker 3: a bit of a reality check And I think a
Speaker 3: lot of us sometimes need that because we do live
Speaker 3: now in this like TikTok, you know, something's up for
Speaker 3: five seconds. It's like we live in this short attention
Speaker 3: span world now with access to everything at our fingertips.
Speaker 3: So I think for the cast it will be a
Speaker 3: bit of a wake up call and we need that.
Speaker 2: And I think as the audience as well.
Speaker 3: And I'm speaking from the way I perceive things, and
Speaker 3: I might be different to a lot of people, but
Speaker 3: when I see certain personalities or traits and things like that,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oo, like I wouldn't want to be like that,
Speaker 3: you know. Or people might be able to sit there
Speaker 3: and be like, okay, I am like that. They won't
Speaker 3: tell anyone, but they might be like, okay, I behave
Speaker 3: like that, and they might be able to recognize the
Speaker 3: audience what they're saying online and how most people don't
Speaker 3: really like that and the negative comments that are going
Speaker 3: to come out, because that's inevitable.
Speaker 2: Not everyone's obviously going to be liked. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it's a.
Speaker 3: Really good learning experience, like as as a viewer and
Speaker 3: as well being the cast. You know, we come off
Speaker 3: these shows and we have a we have a lot
Speaker 3: of time to reflect, and then we see ourselves on TV,
Speaker 3: and I think it's a really good opportunity to look
Speaker 3: and be like, Okay, maybe I need to apologize. Maybe
Speaker 3: I can learn from this, and maybe I don't want
Speaker 3: to be that person anymore.
Speaker 1: But did you self reflect though after watching Married at
Speaker 1: First Sight? I mean, I mean, I loved you on
Speaker 1: that show, and I thought you handled it all beautifully actually,
Speaker 1: But did you look at a thing that you saw
Speaker 1: yourself on that show and think I'm going to do
Speaker 1: that differently now?
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.
Speaker 3: My relationship with Mitch was like the biggest wake up
Speaker 3: call I've ever had with basically any guy I've ever dated.
Speaker 3: And even though you know, it was reality TV for
Speaker 3: Mitch and I, I mean, it was very real feelings.
Speaker 3: I really liked the guy, but also I did lose
Speaker 3: myself in there a bit.
Speaker 2: You know, we were under pretty strict rules.
Speaker 3: I wasn't able to see my friends off family, so
Speaker 3: I wasn't doing things my day to day things that
Speaker 3: reminded me of who I am. So I kind of
Speaker 3: molded to him and what he was hoping for and
Speaker 3: what he wanted. And when I came home after the
Speaker 3: show and everything you finished filming, I just remember being like,
Speaker 3: where have I been for three months?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 1: Like what?
Speaker 2: I was so confused.
Speaker 3: For so for like six months after the show, and yeah,
Speaker 3: I realized, you know, don't ever quiet yourself. For me,
Speaker 3: it was like, don't ever hold back just because like
Speaker 3: he would want that, you know, don't protect him on
Speaker 3: in these situations if that's not what you want to do,
Speaker 3: like one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: It made me realize so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not to lose yourself. I think that is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's an important thing, but it's not an
Speaker 1: easy thing. I mean, you yourself said this. Reality TV
Speaker 1: gave you that opportunity to be able to watch yourself
Speaker 1: and learn from it. But I think we kind of
Speaker 1: know that as a giver and not to lose ourselves,
Speaker 1: but sometimes it's impossible to do with some people.
Speaker 3: You know, definitely is hard, and you know, we're always
Speaker 3: working on ourselves. We're always a work in progress. And
Speaker 3: I think that's what's exciting about getting older is even
Speaker 3: when we're seventy, will be still figuring stuff out, and
Speaker 3: even still now, like I'm in a relationship. It's my
Speaker 3: first proper relationship in over a decade, and I'm still
Speaker 3: figuring it out and still trying to keep my independence,
Speaker 3: but you know, learning about compromise and learning about how
Speaker 3: to meet someone halfway and like still doing my things.
Speaker 2: And He's like, it's we're always learning.
Speaker 3: I think it's just being self aware and knowing what
Speaker 3: you need to work on, and like reaching out to
Speaker 3: friends or reaching out to family, or listening to podcasts
Speaker 3: and reading books and figuring out how can I change
Speaker 3: this or how can I evolve in that way?
Speaker 2: But I'm very big on all of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: I listen to podcasts like that every day about relationships
Speaker 3: and like stress and hormones, and like, I'm always so
Speaker 3: intrigued about it all.
Speaker 1: Well, one of the people that's going to ask you
Speaker 1: about was Nell.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Nell's the comedian, you know, and I always felt like
Speaker 1: right from the start that she was going to get
Speaker 1: matched up with boys that didn't want to be with her.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I was a little bit nervous
Speaker 1: about that is because I feel like Nell is that
Speaker 1: girl that a lot of straight boys that I've known
Speaker 1: try to avoid. I'll never forget being in an office
Speaker 1: environment with a whole bunch of straight boys and we're
Speaker 1: watching thirty Rock back in the day and Liz Lemon,
Speaker 1: which is Tina Fey, you know, is one of the
Speaker 1: central characters and very funny and very smart. But all
Speaker 1: of the boys were like, Yuck's she's the woman that
Speaker 1: you don't want to be with. And I was like,
Speaker 1: it's sad to watch Nell you know, being set up
Speaker 1: with these but it's sad to see her go on
Speaker 1: a date with a man who proved me right and
Speaker 1: that he was kind of a little bit put off
Speaker 1: by that side of her.
Speaker 3: I think for girls or women like Nelly, I mean
Speaker 3: I've also got girlfriends that are similar or have gone
Speaker 3: through similar things and don't feel like they fit the
Speaker 3: perfect creag right, because again social media, it's like we're
Speaker 3: always comparing as women on social media. I think for
Speaker 3: Nelly and that kind of personality, it's really who you
Speaker 3: surround yourself with, right, Like I think in her job,
Speaker 3: she's she's got such a high energy, high personality. I
Speaker 3: think it's very courageous and very brave as well what
Speaker 3: she does. So I think the kind of guys that
Speaker 3: don't see her for who she is, because maybe it's
Speaker 3: the looks that they're you know, putting in front of them,
Speaker 3: then they're not the right kind of guys. You don't
Speaker 3: want to be with a guy that's just looking for
Speaker 3: the tall, big boobs ass abs, like you don't want
Speaker 3: to be with the guy that just cares about that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, because, like I said, over time, like
Speaker 3: that stuff dies, Like we're going to be old and
Speaker 3: wrinkley one day, like, no matter how much work you've
Speaker 3: had done to your body or your Facebook, going to
Speaker 3: get there like.
Speaker 2: You, and then they probably won't even look like her
Speaker 2: I were ten years ago.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that my partner and I we
Speaker 1: do not look the same as we did ten years ago.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that we're there for a different reason
Speaker 1: because things aren't looking as tight as they used to be.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about my face just in case someone's
Speaker 1: going to in case someone's going to come for me
Speaker 1: on that comment. But yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, you know, if.
Speaker 3: I was someone that was getting rejected because of my looks,
Speaker 3: then I would be being I would be saying thank
Speaker 3: you for that anyway, you know, because then he's not
Speaker 3: the right kind or they aren't the right kind if
Speaker 3: they're purely just going for someone who looks a certain way,
Speaker 3: because that stuff does go away eventually, and there's just
Speaker 3: so much more to connecting with someone than looks. I
Speaker 3: think it's a bonus, Like, I think it's absolutely a
Speaker 3: bonus if you are completely and utterly attracted to their
Speaker 3: looks as well as their personality. I think personality should
Speaker 3: come first and all the rest, all the other stuff.
Speaker 1: We all have different entry points. For me with my relationship,
Speaker 1: I always find that yes, I am physically attracted to him,
Speaker 1: but also we have very similar family values. What's important
Speaker 1: to us and how we spend our time matches quite well.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, all of those, like the looks should
Speaker 3: come way after all the other stuff, And yeah, I
Speaker 3: do think it's a bonus.
Speaker 1: So we all grew up with magazines, you know, with
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt was married to Jennifer Aniston or whatever. Like,
Speaker 1: we all sort of were brought up with Disney movies
Speaker 1: where we want the trophy, whether girls and guys care
Speaker 1: to admit it. You know, I think growing up, we
Speaker 1: all have this ambition to be with this person who's
Speaker 1: quite beautiful that makes us feel better about ourselves because
Speaker 1: they're beautiful, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, we look at all the celebrities out there
Speaker 3: that we've grown up reading in magazines. Most of them
Speaker 3: are not in very healthy relationships or they've divorced, or
Speaker 3: that's the way I tend to see it. And then
Speaker 3: I watch movies these days, and I see the most
Speaker 3: gorgeous actresses that are like out of this world. And
Speaker 3: then I go on Google because I'm like, wait, I
Speaker 3: think married.
Speaker 2: Do they have kids?
Speaker 3: Like that's my number one question to my partner because
Speaker 3: he knows the insight on celebrities, and I'm like, wait,
Speaker 3: do they have kids?
Speaker 2: Are they And He'll be like.
Speaker 1: No, no, they're not happy. Hugh Jackman's now single, come.
Speaker 2: On, I know, Like it blows my mind.
Speaker 3: And yeah, like we are always looking at celebrities and
Speaker 3: you know, there's that saying now that Instagram is just
Speaker 3: a highlight reel, and I think it really is for
Speaker 3: a lot of celebrities, you know, especially in Hollywood, Like
Speaker 3: they can really filter and pick and choose exactly what
Speaker 3: they want us to see and read, and we can't
Speaker 3: look at them because I just think it's very unrealistic
Speaker 3: and it's like a fairy.
Speaker 2: Tale land that they're in that isn't reality.
Speaker 1: Instagram's also really fucked up our lives with you know,
Speaker 1: curating who we want to be, not even just curating
Speaker 1: or you know, putting together the most amazing photos and
Speaker 1: touching them up, but also only presenting the certain parts
Speaker 1: of our lives that we want to put forward. It's
Speaker 1: also unreal, like it's it's just so exhausting to try
Speaker 1: and keep up that facade.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, and I impletely agree, Like Instagram is
Speaker 3: so different now compared to what it used to be.
Speaker 3: All the filters and people editing stuff, like it's it's
Speaker 3: out of control, and there's so many young, impressionable women
Speaker 3: and meet you know, men who use social media for inspiration,
Speaker 3: but they're not really looking in the right places for
Speaker 3: that kind of inspiration because it's all filtered, it's not real.
Speaker 1: Well, I tell you a funny story. So I did
Speaker 1: a reality show and in that world, not in my series,
Speaker 1: but someone who's in that show franchise world, very attractive
Speaker 1: on social media and a straight friend of mine set
Speaker 1: I'll come along to this event with you because I
Speaker 1: really want to meet this person. It's important for me
Speaker 1: to not say this person's name because I don't want
Speaker 1: to shame them. But I was like, yes, you should
Speaker 1: come along. You know, they're definitely going to be there,
Speaker 1: and he was like, that's.
Speaker 2: Her, And that does happen very often. I also hear it.
Speaker 2: I hear it very often.
Speaker 1: I don't go to well, I like, she's a lovely
Speaker 1: person as well, come on, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 3: But I do hear that often, and like, I don't
Speaker 3: go to any events. You won't see me really at
Speaker 3: any I stay in my little bubble in Melbourne, but
Speaker 3: I'll have people message me saying, oh I saw so
Speaker 3: and so, like she looks so different in real life,
Speaker 3: and it is true, you know, they're two different people
Speaker 3: and personalities. People also, I think, especially TikTokers these days.
Speaker 3: I mean I don't really use TikTok. I'm very good
Speaker 3: at it, but from what I hear from people who
Speaker 3: have met famous TikTokers is that they're completely different people.
Speaker 3: They have this personality behind a phone, but they don't
Speaker 3: you know, they have social anxiety. They don't leave the house.
Speaker 3: And I think as well, that's what social media is
Speaker 3: doing to us. It's stopping us from having real connections
Speaker 3: with humans, like interaction. People are not going out as
Speaker 3: much anymore, but everything is virtual now, like everything is
Speaker 3: on our laptops and our phones, and don't have enough
Speaker 3: real human interaction on a day to day basis. And
Speaker 3: as well, everyone sits on their phones at these events.
Speaker 3: They're not actually present. It's more like we're going to
Speaker 3: these events to say that we've just been there. You're
Speaker 3: not really actually bonding with anyone on a deep level.
Speaker 3: It's very surface level, and I just crave so much
Speaker 3: more than that a lot these days. So that's why
Speaker 3: I don't tend to go, because I prefer mingling with
Speaker 3: like minded.
Speaker 1: Or I was going to say, you know, they've borrowed
Speaker 1: a little bit from Maths in this season, and we
Speaker 1: got a tease of that later on with these dinner
Speaker 1: parties and everything. I just wanted to ask, you, do
Speaker 1: you get PTSD from watching some of those dinner parties
Speaker 1: back after being gone married at first sight?
Speaker 2: To be honest, I had overall like the best time
Speaker 2: on Maths. The dinner parties. Yeah, look, they are long nights.
Speaker 3: I don't know the length of Love Triangle nights, but
Speaker 3: for Maths, you know, sometimes we would be it'd be
Speaker 3: like a ten hour in total situation.
Speaker 2: No PTSD for me. If anything, I probably have a
Speaker 2: bit of fomo. I'd be like, I want to be there,
Speaker 2: I'm missing out, Like.
Speaker 3: I always had a good time, whether it was mujob
Speaker 3: with Dom like we still always somehow I tried to
Speaker 3: have fun and yeah, no PTSD.
Speaker 1: Okay, well that is good. And the other question I've
Speaker 1: always wanted to ask you is there was a lot
Speaker 1: of discussion on like blogs and forums and podcasts and
Speaker 1: everything about the relationship between Olivia and Dom on your
Speaker 1: series Have Married at First Sight, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people saying that it could have been played either way.
Speaker 1: You know, the version we watched, we saw Dom as
Speaker 1: the kind of the hero and Olivia kind of as
Speaker 1: the villain. And then I read a lot of about
Speaker 1: stuff online from people who either worked on the show
Speaker 1: and said it could have been edited either way. What's
Speaker 1: your take on that? Do you think what you watched
Speaker 1: on that series of the show was presented the way
Speaker 1: that it happened, or do you think those two women
Speaker 1: were sort of put into character types to make for
Speaker 1: exciting television?
Speaker 2: Great question.
Speaker 3: Look what you guys see on TV, as you would know,
Speaker 3: like you see about one percent, right.
Speaker 2: You know, dinner parties.
Speaker 3: Let's say they go for nearly a nine hour time
Speaker 3: and it goes to air for an hour and forty minutes,
Speaker 3: but really like twenty minutes is getting ready for it
Speaker 3: twenty minutes as boxes, twenty minutes as the boxes at
Speaker 3: the end the dinner plant is only about fifty minutes
Speaker 3: that you guys are seeing and that's one conversation where
Speaker 3: there's about ten different conversations, So there's so much content
Speaker 3: that is missed. So really, when you put it like that,
Speaker 3: you guys only saw like a tiny bit of the
Speaker 3: explosive situation that may have gone down. So there was
Speaker 3: even more to what Olivia was saying, and you know
Speaker 3: what Dom was saying. And I don't think anyone was
Speaker 3: really like, I don't think Dom was necessarily made out
Speaker 3: to be a hero. I think that she was just
Speaker 3: really outspoken and people didn't necessarily like how good she
Speaker 3: was at sticking up for herself and saying her point
Speaker 3: of view.
Speaker 2: She was saying what everybody was thinking. And I know
Speaker 2: that for a fact.
Speaker 3: After the show, the divide that happened, and you know,
Speaker 3: the online trolling in the bullying, that was all just
Speaker 3: absolutely chaotic and horrible.
Speaker 2: Never would wish any of.
Speaker 3: That stuff upon anybody, no matter how bad you've done
Speaker 3: on reality TV. But you can't make people look a
Speaker 3: certain way, like the choice of words that were said
Speaker 3: for both of them. They did say, producers aren't telling
Speaker 3: us what to say. If they are, and you do it,
Speaker 3: that's your own choice. But you can't necessarily blame an edit,
Speaker 3: because yes, they can change where you might have said something,
Speaker 3: but if you said something, you still said it, and
Speaker 3: like all your behavior or your actions, you know, So
Speaker 3: I don't think that they were able to control who
Speaker 3: was going to be or look better at the end. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like it was crazy. You guys saw a snippet of it,
Speaker 3: so imagine that times a thousand was crazy. It was crazy,
Speaker 3: Like you just can't script that kind of stuff, Like
Speaker 3: you just can't. Like it's yeah, far from being a script.
Speaker 3: It was just all very real behavior on both ends.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think there's so much pressure as well on
Speaker 1: all of these people coming off these shows and what
Speaker 1: happens afterwards. It's like you can post one thing, you
Speaker 1: can live and die by your social media posts. You know,
Speaker 1: I'd be these days if I had the followings of
Speaker 1: the people like yourselves that have come off Math. So
Speaker 1: I'd be so scared about putting my opinions forward and
Speaker 1: being canceled from my opinions. Do you worry about the
Speaker 1: content that you push out on your social media that
Speaker 1: you may lose your followings or you may gain your
Speaker 1: followings for maybe opinions that you've got.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I think it's important if we have
Speaker 3: a strong opinion that we believe in to share it
Speaker 3: understanding that people might not like it. I mean, I've
Speaker 3: had backlash before on podcast episodes that I've done where
Speaker 3: media outlets might have changed the narrative or the messaging
Speaker 3: of my podcast and then I would.
Speaker 2: Receive backlash, and you just have to own up to it.
Speaker 3: Like if you might have said something that and you're like, okay, shit,
Speaker 3: maybe I did fuck up, maybe I did do something
Speaker 3: wrong there, just own up to it, Like it's just
Speaker 3: easier to do that, take accountability and learn from it.
Speaker 3: With people going on reality TV and then coming off,
Speaker 3: obviously you don't know what you're about to dive in
Speaker 3: to and you don't know what the whole globe or
Speaker 3: Australia is going to say, but you just have to
Speaker 3: deal with it, Like I personally think in a very
Speaker 3: controlled way, like don't be to act, don't be too
Speaker 3: quick to act on something and speak on something like
Speaker 3: just think about it for a second, because the way
Speaker 3: we feel yesterday about an opinion, tomorrow we're going to
Speaker 3: feel very different. And I think that, yeah, it's very
Speaker 3: good to just like wait, even if it's like twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: If someone's like done something and it's.
Speaker 3: Like, holy shit, that's so hectic, wait twenty minutes, like
Speaker 3: chat with your mate, your manager, your mom, like before
Speaker 3: going on your gram and doing a rent or making
Speaker 3: a TikTok, Just like, wait twenty minutes, and then you'll
Speaker 3: probably feel different about the situation.
Speaker 1: I think Rob Mills once said to me, I think
Speaker 1: it was I think it was Millsy, and he was like,
Speaker 1: he goes to post on his social media and he
Speaker 1: waits half a day. I think it was. He's like,
Speaker 1: he puts it in his drafts, and then if he
Speaker 1: still wants to post it half a day later, then
Speaker 1: it's okay. But he was like, I'm so shocked at
Speaker 1: the amount of stuff that I go, what was I thinking?
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not necessarily like as controversial as others.
Speaker 3: You know, obviously, I've always got an opinion about anything,
Speaker 3: But I just choose whether it's really worth me sharing
Speaker 3: my opinion only if I think that it's really worth sharing.
Speaker 3: The few times where I did speak up for me,
Speaker 3: it was common sense. Like when I spoke up in
Speaker 3: those situations with the girls and no one else did,
Speaker 3: I'm like, wait, why is everyone not actually saying anything
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: I'm so confused.
Speaker 3: This is the truth though, Like I'll just say something
Speaker 3: if it's like, uh, this is black, I'm white right now,
Speaker 3: So that's when I'll speak up, if it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: come on, But otherwise I'm just happy to chill back here,
Speaker 3: and if others are going to start a cat fight,
Speaker 3: I'll get the popcorn.
Speaker 1: I had so many questions. I was like, I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you about Mitch's brothers now on the new
Speaker 1: series of Maths when we don't have time for that.
Speaker 1: But I was going to ask you about that. So
Speaker 1: many questions, but we have run out of time, so
Speaker 1: I have to ask you my last question being what
Speaker 1: is something from behind the scenes, something that we won't
Speaker 1: see that the viewers won't get the chance to see
Speaker 1: from the makings of Love Triangle season two for you,
Speaker 1: like not necessarily to ruin anything, but maybe just something
Speaker 1: funny that happened whilst you were narrating the show.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, like I said, it's I'm in a
Speaker 3: bit of a position where it's just me in my lane, right,
Speaker 3: Like I don't know the cast, I'm not really with production.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of just like in a soundproof room by
Speaker 3: myself and then on Zoom with Joseph. So I didn't
Speaker 3: really get to like be a part of the filming
Speaker 3: aspect of it all. I didn't get to see any
Speaker 3: of it. Like I'm watching it basically with you guys.
Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, you know, I hear about the
Speaker 3: goths that goes down and waiting for that stuff to unfold,
Speaker 3: knowing what could what's coming.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's probably already so much more that I
Speaker 2: also don't know.
Speaker 3: I almost feel like I'm on the same level as
Speaker 3: the audience, if I'm honest.
Speaker 2: Like I wish, I wish I was closed to the
Speaker 2: cart so I could get the cars because I have Bomo.
Speaker 1: But I think season three you need to have a
Speaker 1: producer's credit, and you need to be there with all
Speaker 1: of the filming. I mean, you have such a wealth
Speaker 1: of knowledge about being a reality TV contestant as well
Speaker 1: as being a woman who's been looking for love and
Speaker 1: found love, like all of that would be a wealth
Speaker 1: of knowledge on set that that might offer, you know,
Speaker 1: even more to the way in which nerating the show.
Speaker 3: That would be really cool. I mean, I think that
Speaker 3: would be awesome. I could be like their little voice
Speaker 3: of reason up here.
Speaker 1: Maybe you should putting this into the universe. We're putting it.
Speaker 2: I love what.
Speaker 1: I really appreciated chatting with you today. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see what you do with your career. I just
Speaker 1: feel like we're at the start of watching what you
Speaker 1: can do.
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's been already such a wild ride. I can't
Speaker 3: believe that my season of Maths only ended last year
Speaker 3: in April.
Speaker 2: Like that just blows my mind to even think that.
Speaker 3: And I'm super pumped to see I don't know what
Speaker 3: the next opportunity, and I've loved chatting today.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll have to do it again because I love
Speaker 2: to chat and I'm an open book, so like, we
Speaker 2: can do this again for sure if.
Speaker 1: You ever want a debrief at the end of the series, hopefully. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely loved it. I think I looked at my thing
Speaker 1: and I've asked twenty percent of my questions
Speaker 2: Oh we could you definitely do this again.