WEBVTT - Ella May Ding - LOVE TRIANGLE - Narrator 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:03.560 TV Reload, the podcast past. 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:04.040 Deep that line. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.720 Welcome back, guys to TV Reload. As you may know, 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:09.520 my name is Benjamin Norris and this is your podcast 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.080 to get all the inside goss on the popular TV 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.360 shows that you may be watching from around the world. Undeniably, 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:18.200 our TV sets are a major part of our home entertainment, 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:21.000 and yet very little is known about how our favorite 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.840 shows get made. So each episode I've been finding guests 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:25.960 that want to dive just that little bit deeper to 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.480 the shows they're currently making, so that you can hear 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:31.360 all their exclusive stories and gain access to the biggest 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:33.600 names in Australian television. I want to thank you for 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:36.920 downloading or subscribing to this podcast however you've found me. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.319 I love hearing your feedback, so make sure you leave 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.200 a review or a comment on your chosen podcast platform. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.159 On today's podcast, I have Ellen Ding, who most of 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.720 Australia would know from Married at First Side, but is 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.840 now the narrator of Love Triangle, a different dating show 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:55.000 with a big twist now Onstann Australia. This Math's alumni 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.000 never thought in her wildest dreams that she would be 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:02.160 a narrator of a television show alone another dating series, However, 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.000 with a very worldly tone to her voice and another 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.080 experience in the game, I think this transition from reality 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.959 TV participant to TV presenter is going to be a 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:15.000 pretty smooth transition. Since we last saw Ella on television, 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.280 she has split from Mitch, who was her former TV husband. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.800 You'd know that if you read the Daily Mail or 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.880 any magazine in the country or follow her on social media, 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.640 but you would also know that she has found love again. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.640 Her career in television is on the up and up, 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.200 and if you've missed the first season of Love Triangle, 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.760 that is no bother to her, as there's plenty of 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.320 time to catch up on the popular stand streaming service. 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:38.399 We will talk. 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.000 About the way in which this show works, from setting 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.000 up three singles blindly via text to the judgmental way 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:47.120 we all approach dating. Alla will talk about her social 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.600 media and if she worries about being canceled from her opinions, 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:54.320 what she thinks of the Dominica versus Olivia Debarkle now 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.200 that there's been more water under the bridge, and how 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:00.600 she has grown from her reality TV experience. We will 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.160 discuss some of the show's first matches in episodes one 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.760 and two, who Ella thinks did a good job standing 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.200 up for themselves, and if there's a real chance of 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.079 actually finding love on this show. Plus, we will get 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.640 plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes of Love Triangle 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:15.720 season two, which you can now catch up on on 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:19.280 stut Australia, which already has its first two episodes out 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.400 this week. Anyway, let's bring Ella into the podcasting. Guys, 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:24.680 I really hope you enjoyed this chat, and I'm pretty 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.040 sure that you're going to leave being quite desperate to 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:28.880 watch the show. How are you anyway? 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:29.800 I'm good. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.040 I'm a little bit tired today, but I'm always good. 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.280 Okay, Well, you look fresh, so you don't have to 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:38.040 worry about that. If that's how you look tired, I 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:41.200 sign me up. Oh, this is a pretty cool gig 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.800 for you. You know, how did this opportunity come up? Because 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.239 people go on shows like Married at First Sight and 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:47.720 that's the last we ever see of them. 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.720 Honestly, such a random opportunity to come up, Like, I 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:52.280 never imagined myself. 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:53.280 To be narrating a show. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:58.480 So Tara the ep for Maths we've always stayed in 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.160 touch through social media, and then she just reached out 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:05.280 to me through Instagram with the opportunity, and yeah, I 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.320 mean it was a no brainer to work with her. 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:12.200 But in a different way. Straight away, I was like, great, 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.840 this is a new challenge, it's a new skill, it's 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.320 from a different perspective of the show. 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:18.919 Throw me in, let's go. 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:21.720 You always hear these horror stories. I know Tara and 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.040 she's a lovely person, but like you hear the horror 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.240 stories of her clashing with some of the contestants on Maths. 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.760 Is it hard to navigate that relationship? Like did you 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.000 clash with her on the show when you were making it? 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:36.080 I mean I never really clashed like in a bad 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:40.040 way with any production or cars. I wouldn't say it 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.920 was ever bad Tara. I just looked at the big boss. 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:44.520 I was like, she's the big boss. Just to do 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.920 what she says, Like, if she's telling you to get 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:49.920 to the point of a conversation, just get there, Like, 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.240 just don't get on the bad side. I feel like 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.560 that's just common sense. Though for me with any of 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:58.240 these experiences, it's like you're not there to piss the 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.760 production or like the team off, whether it's build a relationship, 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.040 connect or whatever kind of reality show, it is like, 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.360 you're there to do that part of it. Don't make 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:07.800 it so hard for them. 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:09.880 Well, there's a series of mass filming at the moment. 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:13.080 Maybe they'll listen to this and realize the story goes 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:15.920 really well for you if you do what Tara says. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.560 So to me, it was really just common sense to 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:20.960 kind of be nice to her. 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:25.080 I think your voice suits this series so well. You 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:29.400 have like a very street wise, charismatic way of speaking. 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:31.920 It kind of gives me like Secret Life of Us 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:33.479 narration love. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:34.360 That thank you. 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.839 I like to think that my voice does come from 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.760 a place of like experience. You know, we've all got 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.720 a story to tell, right, and so I do. I 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.719 listen and watch Love Trianglan was like, Wow, it really 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.320 does work well. Like the first time I watched it, 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:51.760 I was like, well, I don't know, Like it's always 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:55.200 a bit weird hearing yourself, especially in this sort of situation. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.919 So I was a bit weirded out at first, But 0:04:57.960 --> 0:04:59.880 now I've watched it a few times, I'm like, ah, 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:01.559 I actually think it does work. 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.279 I feel like there's something very sexy, but very interesting 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.400 about the way in which you are articulating it without 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.760 it being too overpowering and distracting from the show. 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:15.400 Yeah, and I think as well, like what Tara and 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.800 John and what they really were wanting was, or how 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.960 they fell in choosing me, I guess was that my 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.159 voice is coming from like the place of I've been 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.680 through what these guys are all going through. Like I've 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.640 done reality TV to hope to find love. I've been 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.360 through what they're going through post show, and now I'm 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.680 in a healthy relationship. So it's almost like my voice 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:38.640 is coming from where they've all been. 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:43.280 There's an authority that comes with you doing this, Like 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.240 I think even for people who didn't watch Maths, they'll 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:50.400 be like, who is this voice? Like it's very intoxicating. 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:52.719 Yeah, thank you, I'll take. 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.920 That for people who might not have seen series one. 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.560 So Love Triangle sees, you know, six singles who are 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:03.120 all mad with two suitors. At first, they can only 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.400 communicate via text and phone call, which I think is crazy. 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.600 The rule is that no one can physically describe themselves, 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.640 so like selfies and facetiming up apparently all out of 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.919 the question. It's very juicy, but like, after three days 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.960 of communicating virtually the singles must choose the match that 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.719 they think is the most potential setting people up for 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.159 you know, a bit of a disaster, but it makes 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:26.240 very good television. 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:30.320 It's a very interesting and wild concept. You know, we're 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.600 also used to on the dating apps, like just choosing 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.560 someone based off the looks most of the time, if 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.560 you are swiping your looking for that instant oh my gosh, hey, 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.880 or she's hot or like something that they're physically attracted to, 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.120 rather even getting to. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:46.599 Know who they actually are as a person. 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:48.720 So I think it is a really cool concept how 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:52.360 they are texting for just a few days and it's like, okay, 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.919 you've got a few days to build a connection or 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:59.839 chemistry or build something so that this the original chooses one. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.159 So it's kind of like and then both the singles 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.240 know that they're kind of like in competition in a 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:09.400 way that they've got to spark something fiery or flirty up. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.600 I couldn't imagine doing I think it would be really hard. 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:14.280 I'm someone who married someone on television that they've never 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.200 met before. Maybe it's easier. 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.000 I feel like it's easier to do that because I 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:20.800 don't know. It's like you're going on a blind date, 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.080 but yes, you're marrying them, But I don't know. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:25.679 It's I think it's harder what they're doing in love triangle. 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:28.520 I like it because you know, for me, I always 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:30.680 was attracted to men who were taller than me. I 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.800 was like, it was a non negotiable I needed to 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.920 be the shorter man in the relationship. And yet I'm 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.760 being with a partner now for thirteen years who is 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.880 much shorter than me, and we are such a good match. 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.440 But it just goes to show you that those superficial 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.240 things that we put in place, the things that we 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:51.360 think we need in a relationship, aren't maybe the things 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:51.880 that we need. 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.680 There's so much more to if we're trying to find 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:56.760 that person who we hope to be with forever. 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.000 Looks die over time. 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.000 It's like the soul and the personality and like their 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.040 values and the interests and hobbies. It's all those things 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.360 that keep relationships alive right like forever. 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:10.520 And I also do think that looks grow. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.560 I've definitely dated before where I wasn't really attracted to them, 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.160 but something kept me in and then they went from 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.120 being you know, maybe a six out of ten to 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.080 like a ten out of ten because of the personality. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.960 One of my best friends calls it talented man syndrome 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:28.640 because she likes musos and she's like, he could be disgusting, 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.880 but if he can play guitar, She's like, he goes 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.000 from two to like a ten. So and that changes 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.960 for everyone. We've all got our strange dynamics on you know, 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:38.920 what can escalate a two to a ten, you know. 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:40.680 But I think in this generation that we live in 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.360 now and like this this world of modern dating, yes, 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.880 it's very scary out there, it's pretty like harsh now. 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.160 I just feel like it's really like it's sad the 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:51.440 way that it, you know, is going. I think that 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:52.920 we all just need to be a lot more open 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.200 minded because there's so many more women that are, you know, 0:08:56.440 --> 0:09:00.600 older in their thirties who are successful, gorgeous, but it's single. 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:05.480 And I feel like men as well, like are becoming 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:09.320 more commitment fobes or noncommittal because they're like, is they're 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.800 better than what's in front of me? Like no one's 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.080 It seems like people just aren't like happy enough because 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:16.880 they're always wondering is they're better. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:17.520 Is they're better? 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.280 Well, I think that the fuck boy derivative comes from 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:24.000 there's a lot of younger parents saying to their boys, 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.760 don't settle down and get married early, like play the 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:28.600 field just like they've been told to do that. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:29.800 It is very different. 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.280 And the fuck boys, I feel like they're just everywhere now, 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.000 like they're just breeding with mates and telling all their 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.720 mates how to be. And even the conversations that men 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.280 are having these days are very different about women. And 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.720 I feel like for women it hasn't really changed that much. 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.000 And I'm just speaking from my experience for me being 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:52.680 single for Nelly ten years and my conversations that I 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.520 was having with my girlfriends, it always stayed the same. 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.840 But I feel like with men it's changed a lot. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.520 Yeah, the cheap, cheap being passed around at these pubs. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.160 They're on the beers, the nose beers. They're out there 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.120 and they're swapping these ways in which that you can 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.960 court a woman and make her feel like the universe 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:14.760 only that they're all lines and they're saying them to everybody. 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.560 You know, bread crumbing, there's love bombing, there's ghosting, like 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.600 there's these all these things that people have come up 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:25.600 with over time that are so real now and it's 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:26.480 very scary. 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.680 How much of what happens in the series do you 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.080 know about when you're recording your part of the show, Like, 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.760 that's the thing that I think would be really fascinating. 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.880 Are you just reading lines or are you following production 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.080 with how these relationships are working out? 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.040 I'm literally finding out as I read. 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.960 I didn't get to see basically any of it properly 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:52.319 until I recorded the second last or the final voiceover. 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.400 And yeah, so when I was reading the script, I'd 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.520 be like, wait what I don't even know what these 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:58.280 people look like. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:02.440 Properly, Like who's this? Oh my gosh, this actually just happened. 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.560 Like I was always a bit distracted because I was like, wait, 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.720 I need answers. This can't be this can't be happening. 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:12.120 But it was hard to like embody the emotion without 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.480 actually seeing it. Hey, this is going to be a 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.760 really sad scene, so let's try to take it down 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.720 the tone and you know, slow it down or okay, 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.760 now we're storytelling, or now this is exciting, and like 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:24.520 it was. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.520 It was really it was really challenging. 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:28.160 But do you have a director there that's sort of 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.560 directing you through those emotions, like though that probably doesn't 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:31.839 suit what's happened, or. 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:33.120 Definitely someone there. 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.640 I'm not just in a room by myself. 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:37.120 You can read along with it in your book. You 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.200 will know it is time to turn the page when 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:40.320 you know. 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.240 I was working with Joseph who was from EndemolShine, and 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.120 he was great, like he never made me feel like 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.640 I wasn't doing it right, which I was a bit 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.400 nervous about going into it. I was like, oh my gosh, 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.840 what if I do this really terribly? What if isn't 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.080 it's not up to scratch, like this is such a 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.480 big deal. But no, he always, like real shured me 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.760 and gave me some tips, and pointer is and we're 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:07.080 both very happy with how it's come out. So I 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:11.320 went back and watched Love Triangle season one to hear 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.840 who the narrator was, because I was like, wait, sometimes 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:15.960 you just forget, like what it sounds like. And my 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:19.240 voice is very different to season one's narrator, like it's 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:20.680 you know, ten tones deeper. 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.720 Now it works so much better. I like the deepness 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.120 to it, though, as I said, it's that authority. What 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.480 do you think of the matches so far, so episodes 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:29.920 one and two are out, so we don't want to 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.640 try and spoil too much, but I guess, yeah, what 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:34.800 are you thinking? What are your thoughts on these matches 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:35.160 so far? 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:39.840 Well, obviously what we've seen is some haven't been overly happy. 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:44.000 Those first impressions are really important, I guess, especially at 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.079 the start of an experience. We're we're about to move 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.560 in with a complete stranger for six weeks, so your 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:49.720 first impressions are. 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.560 Important, but you're also super nervous. 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.679 You're in these controlled environments, so it's hard to adapt 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:55.439 straight away. 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:57.400 I think it's really interesting. 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.320 I mean, as it will unfold and as we'll see 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:04.880 how some might flourish, some might not. I think I 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.679 really loved Emily at the start where she went on 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.000 her date with Sam. I did love how Emily gave 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.160 it back to him a bit right away. That was like, Okay, 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.280 she's a tough chick, like she knows, she knows her worth, 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.120 and she knows she feel like is a confident woman. 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:22.880 So I did love how she gave it back to 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:23.360 him a bit. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.520 I kind of feel like, is this show setting people 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.480 up for love or is this show setting us up 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.480 as an audience and these contestants to sort of expose 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.800 how superficial we are because a lot of the matches 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.400 I'm watching, and this is the beauty of this show, 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.920 because you yourself are being judgmental. You yourself are making 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:44.560 these snap judgments. But are they setting these people up 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.840 to expose those moments that are happening more often than 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.800 not where the guy's too short, or she's too masculine, 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.760 or she's had too much botox, or she's a comedian 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.360 and you know he's a blokey guy, Like, are we 0:13:56.440 --> 0:14:00.319 setting people up in situations where those dynamics aren't looking 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.679 out to expose that superficiality in the dating world. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.199 I think it's really that's a really interesting question. 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.880 I think for the cast it could be, you know, 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.200 a bit of a reality check And I think a 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.360 lot of us sometimes need that because we do live 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.120 now in this like TikTok, you know, something's up for 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.080 five seconds. It's like we live in this short attention 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.320 span world now with access to everything at our fingertips. 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.040 So I think for the cast it will be a 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.720 bit of a wake up call and we need that. 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.720 And I think as the audience as well. 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.600 And I'm speaking from the way I perceive things, and 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.280 I might be different to a lot of people, but 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:41.360 when I see certain personalities or traits and things like that, 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.640 I'm like, oo, like I wouldn't want to be like that, 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:45.920 you know. Or people might be able to sit there 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.160 and be like, okay, I am like that. They won't 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.320 tell anyone, but they might be like, okay, I behave 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.760 like that, and they might be able to recognize the 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:59.200 audience what they're saying online and how most people don't 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.760 really like that and the negative comments that are going 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.119 to come out, because that's inevitable. 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.960 Not everyone's obviously going to be liked. I don't know. 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:06.720 I think it's a. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:10.760 Really good learning experience, like as as a viewer and 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.360 as well being the cast. You know, we come off 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.760 these shows and we have a we have a lot 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.480 of time to reflect, and then we see ourselves on TV, 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:21.920 and I think it's a really good opportunity to look 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.400 and be like, Okay, maybe I need to apologize. Maybe 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.280 I can learn from this, and maybe I don't want 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:27.560 to be that person anymore. 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.120 But did you self reflect though after watching Married at 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.200 First Sight? I mean, I mean, I loved you on 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.720 that show, and I thought you handled it all beautifully actually, 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:36.760 But did you look at a thing that you saw 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:38.400 yourself on that show and think I'm going to do 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:39.120 that differently now? 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:40.000 One hundred percent. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.080 My relationship with Mitch was like the biggest wake up 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.360 call I've ever had with basically any guy I've ever dated. 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.200 And even though you know, it was reality TV for 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.000 Mitch and I, I mean, it was very real feelings. 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.320 I really liked the guy, but also I did lose 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:56.320 myself in there a bit. 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.680 You know, we were under pretty strict rules. 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.920 I wasn't able to see my friends off family, so 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.000 I wasn't doing things my day to day things that 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.360 reminded me of who I am. So I kind of 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.640 molded to him and what he was hoping for and 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.600 what he wanted. And when I came home after the 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.600 show and everything you finished filming, I just remember being like, 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.640 where have I been for three months? 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:15.800 Like? 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:16.640 Who? 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:17.080 Like what? 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.200 I was so confused. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.040 For so for like six months after the show, and yeah, 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:26.520 I realized, you know, don't ever quiet yourself. For me, 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.920 it was like, don't ever hold back just because like 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.320 he would want that, you know, don't protect him on 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.880 in these situations if that's not what you want to do, 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:37.560 like one hundred percent. 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.800 It made me realize so much. 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.320 Yeah, not to lose yourself. I think that is. Yeah, 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:43.920 I think that's an important thing, but it's not an 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.320 easy thing. I mean, you yourself said this. Reality TV 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.880 gave you that opportunity to be able to watch yourself 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.640 and learn from it. But I think we kind of 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:54.320 know that as a giver and not to lose ourselves, 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.720 but sometimes it's impossible to do with some people. 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.960 You know, definitely is hard, and you know, we're always 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.600 working on ourselves. We're always a work in progress. And 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.040 I think that's what's exciting about getting older is even 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.000 when we're seventy, will be still figuring stuff out, and 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.119 even still now, like I'm in a relationship. It's my 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.719 first proper relationship in over a decade, and I'm still 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.560 figuring it out and still trying to keep my independence, 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.840 but you know, learning about compromise and learning about how 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.960 to meet someone halfway and like still doing my things. 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.280 And He's like, it's we're always learning. 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:33.200 I think it's just being self aware and knowing what 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.919 you need to work on, and like reaching out to 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.200 friends or reaching out to family, or listening to podcasts 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:43.240 and reading books and figuring out how can I change 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.800 this or how can I evolve in that way? 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.120 But I'm very big on all of that kind of stuff. 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.960 I listen to podcasts like that every day about relationships 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:56.840 and like stress and hormones, and like, I'm always so 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:58.080 intrigued about it all. 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.000 Well, one of the people that's going to ask you 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:00.720 about was Nell. 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:01.199 You know. 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.720 Nell's the comedian, you know, and I always felt like 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:05.640 right from the start that she was going to get 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:07.920 matched up with boys that didn't want to be with her. 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.040 And the reason why I was a little bit nervous 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.479