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Speaker 1: Estimates begin in the Northern Territory this morning. It started

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Speaker 1: is indeed the Opposition and the Independence opportunity to really

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Speaker 1: about their budgets. And this morning the Northern Territory Electoral

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Speaker 1: Commission as well as the Department of Chief Minister and

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Speaker 1: to be questioned. And as I mentioned earlier well last

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Speaker 1: turned out to be quite an extraordinary situation. So all

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Speaker 1: eyes will be on estimates throughout the morning. I know

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Speaker 1: not everybody's going to be watching, but I'll be keeping

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Speaker 1: an eye on things to find out exactly what is

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Speaker 1: going on. And joining me in the studio to talk

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Speaker 1: more about the process is the Deputy Opposition Leader Jared Maylee.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Jared, no doubt it is going to be an

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Speaker 1: interesting process. Last week, I know that the COLP had

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Speaker 1: said they'd be focusing on health and the decisions made

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Speaker 1: But last week, obviously the government announced that that mandate

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Speaker 1: would be ending tomorrow. Has that meant that there will

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Speaker 1: be a bit of a change of focus for you guys.

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Speaker 2: Not really, Katie, because first thing, this is an opportunity

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Speaker 2: for the new Chief Minister, Natasha Files, to show you

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Speaker 2: that are a point of difference from Michael Gunner. We

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Speaker 2: all know one of the Gunner government that the Labor

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Speaker 2: government were really quiet, they clammed up, they didn't avoid

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Speaker 2: his scrutiny at all costs. And for example, at the

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Speaker 2: last estimates last year there were some over two hundred

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Speaker 2: questions which weren't answered. So I didn't know. I remember

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Speaker 2: we asked the question to the minister, but the minister's

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Speaker 2: got the CEOs and heads of departments there, so they

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Speaker 2: it on purpose? We've got no idea, But this is

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Speaker 2: a real opportunity for Natasha Files to show a true

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Speaker 2: they're always going to be.

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Speaker 1: What's the process? You know, if you ask a question

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Katie, what happens is you don't actually ask

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Speaker 2: to the minister and then the minister can refer it

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Speaker 2: to a department head to answer for you. So the

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Speaker 2: questions are really from ask the opposition to the minister

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Speaker 2: If they can't answer that question, what it's calls taken

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Speaker 2: on notice and then the questions repeated. It's written down,

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Speaker 2: given a number, and then it's given thirty days to

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Speaker 1: And so from your perspective, when it comes to health

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Speaker 1: are you still planning on asking a number of questions

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Speaker 2: Of course, Okay, this is an opportunity for like I

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Speaker 2: for the Natasha Fhiles in the government to hand over

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Speaker 2: So it's real an opportunity for Natasha Fhiles to give

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Speaker 1: To that now. I know that first up this morning,

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Speaker 1: So Julie Crisp, the Order to general much info glean

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Speaker 2: Well, I was just watching it this morning cadive on

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Speaker 2: place to measure the cost savings. The cost shaving measures

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Speaker 2: the government's put in place working. If you understand that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so the cost saving measures is part of the

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Speaker 2: To and there's no to measure the cost savings.

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Speaker 1: How is that possible?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure, I know, and I thought I

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Speaker 2: because it's interesting if these measures here, because we know

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Speaker 2: we need to make some cost savings. If you can't

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Speaker 2: going to know if it's been successful.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly right. We've got to know whether they're

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Speaker 1: So you really need to know whether those cost saving

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Speaker 2: Of course, because the government's got the leavers to make

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Speaker 2: a difference. Because I went to the fuel station the

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Speaker 2: It was over three hundred dollars in the field.

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Speaker 2: I've got a family of five and I go shopping

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Speaker 1: Hey, I do want to ask as well. We know

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Speaker 2: Well, we're going to work out how many complaints have

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I think last time there was some

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Speaker 2: just not sure. But that's happening this morning, so we'll

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Speaker 1: I'll be very interested to hear if there have been

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Speaker 2: When it comes to this, I remember it is and

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Speaker 2: have some questions about that. I'm not sure if the

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Speaker 1: Jared, there's no doubt that one of the biggest issues

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Speaker 1: you're aware of this, I think everybody is. But one

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Speaker 2: Of course it is because we need to grow our

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Speaker 2: that's not my problem because I didn't on the new minister.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what happened before. So it's really an

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Speaker 2: the CEO of those departments are still there, so the

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Speaker 2: opportunity for them is to answer those questions should be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I reckon that's going to be a really interesting

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Speaker 1: With all those changes of portfolios, are we going to

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Speaker 2: And just simply saying that wasn't in my time is

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Speaker 2: this is not a random, out of the blue estimate.

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Speaker 2: It's been in this week or two weeks for basically

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Speaker 2: a year, so they have an opportunity to understand. And

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Speaker 1: Now, one of the other things that we have been

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Speaker 1: keeping a pretty close eye on is those flu numbers.

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Speaker 1: We know that they're very high around the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: right now and according to the latest Northern Territory Health data,

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Speaker 1: been three two hundred infections reported as of June thirteen. Now,

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Speaker 1: The colp are now calling for the Northern Territory government

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Speaker 1: to provide free flu vaccines to all Territorians. Why do

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Speaker 1: you think this is necessary?

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Speaker 2: Because the flu has been around for a long time,

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Speaker 2: but we've had had a couple of years where there's

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Speaker 2: are exposed to this virus and some young children who

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Speaker 2: It seems to be having more impact than COVID in

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Speaker 2: My eighty three old mother had it last week and

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Speaker 2: So it's just really important to protect territorians and this

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Speaker 2: is an opportunity to do that. For the labor government.

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Speaker 1: Now over the weekend they did announce that the Darwin

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Speaker 1: Vaccination Center in Marara is going to add to its

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Speaker 1: operation well from today in a three week BLA. It's

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Speaker 1: a head of the clinics closure, so it is going

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Speaker 1: to open to those children under the age of five.

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Speaker 2: Is that enough, Well not really, because there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of territories. You can't get to Marara. There's right across

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Speaker 2: the territory and we know that public transport is limited

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Speaker 2: in the territory. People are working, so it's very difficult

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Speaker 2: to get to that location. What the government need to

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Speaker 2: do is put this vaccine out to health clinics and

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Speaker 2: to right across the territory, so if you want to

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Speaker 2: access to it, you can get it.

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Speaker 1: And so not just for those young kids, but it

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Speaker 1: should be for absolutely everybody.

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Speaker 2: If you feel that you've got a need for a

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Speaker 2: flu vaccine, you should be able to have access to it.

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Speaker 2: Because some people get the flu regularly and some people don't,

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Speaker 2: and some people want it and make it. Remember it's

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Speaker 2: your choice whether you want it or not. But if

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Speaker 2: you do want it, you should be available. Because we

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Speaker 2: know the impact of this flu seems to be very

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Speaker 2: bad and lots of people are getting very sick.

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Speaker 1: From you you make of those comments. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: exactly what the words were, but the Chief Ministers saying

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Speaker 1: that you know that if it's open to everybody, then

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Speaker 1: some of the most vulnerable might not be able to

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Speaker 1: get it.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I think that seems to be a bit

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Speaker 2: of a cop out. Well, it's up to the Chief Minister,

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Speaker 2: the charity. We don't have a great population basic We've

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Speaker 2: only got some two hundred and fifty thousand people, so

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Speaker 2: it's really as up to the Chief Minister to get

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Speaker 2: that vaccine out to those vulnerable people first and make

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Speaker 2: sure that if you want it, you've got access to it.

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Speaker 2: We've got good row systems up here, there's planes, there's helicopters,

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Speaker 2: so there's no reason why you can't get it out

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Speaker 2: into those communities. And just to Catherine Tenant Creek and

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Speaker 2: Alice Springs as a starting point, and of course Darwin

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Speaker 2: and Parmes and in the rural area, there's lots of

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Speaker 2: places who are who could be made available and on

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Speaker 2: it easy in one day.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jereed Mayley, the Deputy Opposition leader, I reckon it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a very interesting week. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be fascinated to see what comes out of the estimates process.

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Speaker 1: Do keep in contact and let us know what happens.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, mis