1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: Same for another Fringe Festival act with Cleazy and Lisa. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: Our next guest we haven't seen in person. In fact, 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: when he walked into the building, I didn't recognize him 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: because he wasn't on a screen. And you can check 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 2: out his new fringe shown will that Lisa thinking about 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: from now until February sixteen at Lenott's Lounge and door Fridge. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: Tickets available through Fringe well dot com dot you will, And. 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for having me. Actually, yes, in 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: the studio. We speak so regularly and have. 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 3: Done four years. 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and yet yes, never in person, always down the line. 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: So it is very nice to be here. 13 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Goodness to be able to see you in the eye, 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: to be in the studio, to multi dimensional that's right, Yeah, 15 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: that's exactly. Is there any differences so far? Thank you 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: fifty again? So yeah that's stopped. 17 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just going to do an OnCore. 18 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: I've done an Encore fifty this year, so I just 19 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: might stick the flag in fifty. 20 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 4: Be worried with the candles that. 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was my birthday down that. I'm not 22 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: a big birthday person. I've got to be honest with you. 23 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: I share my birthday with justin Timberlake. He's the guy 24 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: who brought Sexy back. I was the guy who left 25 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: sexy out there in the first place. 26 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 3: That was me. 27 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: I dropped it at I just put it down and 28 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: I just wandered away and I was like, where is sexy? 29 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: Justin found it though, So that was good. So yeah, 30 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: it's but I'm not a big celebrator too. 31 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 5: Actually he did your loss was just. 32 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: I was not, and those allegations had not stuck. I 33 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: am wearing that exact same Janet Janet Jackson outfit on 34 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: stage at. 35 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 5: And that's what he was talking about. Willis. That's a 36 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 5: great name. What's you're talking about? Willis? Will I think 37 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 5: I think you've used that one before. 38 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: I have because this is my improvised stand up show. 39 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: So I've been doing the show in Sydney for twelve years, 40 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: I think so since I first did it started the 41 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: Sydney comedy story, and it just used to be occasional 42 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: one off show to test material, that sort of thing. 43 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: But it ended up growing into its own thing, and 44 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: then it became I did it more and more. I 45 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: even did it at the end more in Sydney in 46 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: front of like you know, sixteen hundred people. But I've 47 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: never done a full tour of it. So what it 48 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: is is a completely made up show every single night. 49 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: So every single night i'm here in perfect it is 50 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: a really different show. It is made up with the 51 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: people in the room. There are no cameras in the room. 52 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: It is only for the people who are there that night. 53 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: It is never repeated again. It is just made up 54 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: of the ingredients of there. Because we live in this 55 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 1: world now where everything is for broadcast for somebody else. 56 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: You cannot go to the movies and just enjoy the movies. 57 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: We're having to tell people what your opinion was about 58 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: the movie, or live stream from the movie, or take 59 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: a photo to prove you of there in the first place. 60 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: But this is the opposite of that. This is a 61 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: group of people gathered in a room for like one hour. 62 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: Well it's actually seventy minutes, because I guarantee you one 63 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: hour of quality material, so I have seventy minutes to 64 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: get there. 65 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 3: I give myself some week, well not always. I finished 66 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: it at sixty three last night. 67 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: I felt like I got a very solid But that 68 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: extra tends there just just as the same in case 69 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: I need it, and it genuinely is what it says 70 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: on the ticket. Like I talked to the people in 71 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: the audience, we just get to know each other, We 72 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: make stuff up and we have a good time. 73 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 4: That's wonderful. 74 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 2: Now, you did some fill in radio Breakfast Radio in 75 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: Melbourne list last year and you worked with Daisy as 76 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: in Daisy Thomas Thomas, Daisy and Rosie. 77 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 4: Did you think of calling yourself Wilsie for those few months? 78 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 3: Well, Wilsie. 79 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: I got Willow a lot as well because of the 80 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: plant connection. You know, people thought if there was a 81 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: Daisy and a Rosy that maybe they needed like a 82 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: willow or something. I was someone who suggested pussy will over. 83 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: I thought, this is a whole new direction. This feels 84 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: more like a rue Paul's drag race. 85 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 5: We didn't know we needed. 86 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 3: I always thought if. 87 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: I was going to be a drag like person that 88 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: my name would be Kerry Man Kennerley. Oh yeah, I 89 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: addressed Kerry Anne style. Erry. 90 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 5: Do you think that I like Petty Bell? 91 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, okay, that's a great name. 92 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, right, I love it. 93 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 5: But you are the key. 94 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 7: I mean we talked about, you know the names of 95 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 7: your shows famous for them being a take on your name. 96 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 5: There have been some absolute rippers. I was trying. 97 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 7: I was looking back through them and trying to decide 98 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 7: what's been my favorite. 99 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 5: And I don't think what you're like. Well, see, I 100 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 5: love I am the Willris. 101 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: Yes, so that was the first one, and I believe 102 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: you can still contact me. Although when I say contact me, 103 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: I am not seeing these emails because I have not 104 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: gone to this. 105 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: Email a voice for a long time. 106 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: But the wills at Yahoo dot com, which was my 107 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: first ever email address when I first got email and 108 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: I was doing my show I am the Willris and 109 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: I registered the will the Willers at yahoo dot com 110 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: and the Willers yeah who dot com. Still like it 111 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: was still important in my life until about twenty four 112 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: months ago when I finally used the last thing that 113 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: still had that as a password. 114 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: Sometimes you've just. 115 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: Got the email address attached to something and you can't 116 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: get rid of the email address because you're never going 117 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: to get the notifications about that thing. 118 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: I'm finally clear of it. I have no objecks. 119 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: But if you want to see me an email, but 120 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: I'll never Yeah, but I'm a Rowrist. 121 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 5: The favorite is will by Mouth because that Gary. 122 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: On film one of the seen I liked a jagged, 123 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: jagged Little Will. There's a few that I haven't used 124 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: yet there like are up my sleeve, and probably a 125 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: few that I won't ever get to because I've got 126 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: a list of the Oh, so there's a They are 127 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: collected from a range of places. So here's basically how 128 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: it works. The Melbourne International Comedy Festival that used to be, 129 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: but now it's like there's Perth Fringe, and there's Adelaide Fringe, 130 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: and there's Camera Comedy Festival, and there's Brisbane Comedy Festival 131 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: in the Sydney Comedy Festival. There's a whole circuit now. 132 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: So normally you're doing your tour while you're being contacted 133 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: by your management going do you want to do a 134 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: tour next year? And if so, you know what's it 135 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: going to be called? Now? Yeah, for people who name 136 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: their shows like in August, they say, what's ten things I. 137 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 3: Never knew about my dad? 138 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: And then they get to first night and they're like, 139 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: I think it turns out there's these three things I 140 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: didn't know. 141 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 3: You're gonna have to hear about my day a lot. 142 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: And so early on I was like, well, if I'm 143 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: going to do a show every year, and I haven't 144 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: thought of what the show is yet. A good way 145 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: is just put my name in the title of the show. 146 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: Come up with a new title so people know it's 147 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: a new show, and then I can actually worry about 148 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: what's in the show later. So I started making a 149 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: little list of these names. Sam Mack, Gold LOGI Nomendade, 150 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: Whether Man Sam sam Mack one day was working on 151 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: a radio show that I used to do. He was 152 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: our panel operator on that radio show that I was 153 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: doing with Limo, and he was really bad at being 154 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: a panel of It was so bad. 155 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: If you wanted to hear what if you wanted to 156 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: hear what the traffic was three days ago, then Sam 157 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: was your man. 158 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: But he was a brilliant comedy writer and he was 159 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: so he always wanted a task he wanted to learn about, 160 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: Like he's one of those guys who are so ambitious 161 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: and I wanted to learn. He didn't want to feel 162 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: in the time. It's like what can I do today? 163 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: And so one day he was in that what can 164 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: I do today? And I was like, well, you know what, 165 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: if you want to as a writing exercise, why don't 166 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: you go and see how many will show titles you 167 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: can come up with, you know, just to see like 168 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: your creativity. And he did, and I put him in 169 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: a file, and every August time I sam Max file 170 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: and I have a look to see if there's another 171 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: one there. 172 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 4: As you do. 173 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: Everyone thinks they're funning it some stage. Have you got 174 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: some ones of a just shit? You must have received some. 175 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 7: You know. 176 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes people will suggest them to me in interviews or 177 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: live on air. And I say to people over the 178 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: years that I can't act. But if you hear my 179 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: reactions to how hilarious I think their terrible ideas are, 180 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: you think actually he can act. 181 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 3: A little, it turns out get him a low. 182 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 4: It's very gracious. 183 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 7: There is someone who has a show call question everything. 184 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 7: How do you feel about the current station of American politics? 185 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: What's going on? What's going on in American politics? Because 186 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: here's the thing you've got to know about me is 187 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: that I had a really busy year last year, so 188 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: I had a tape. 189 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 3: You don't tell me which guy yet. 190 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: Because okay, I'm at the moment I still think Biden's 191 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: a chance. So I'm just going to binge the rest 192 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: on my holidays. So please don't spoil what's happened. 193 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 4: Okay, we won't give it away. It would be the 194 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 4: eld Of, but spoiler, wouldn't it. 195 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: I've got a good feeling about, good feeling about Joe's. 196 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 3: Got this one in the. 197 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 4: That is actually funny. 198 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: But I'm going to watch it in four years. 199 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: And here in the West, not only do we hear 200 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: all about the American election, but you're in a federal 201 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: election coming up, and there's a state election in much 202 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 2: as well. 203 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: So this is the book for it. So are you 204 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: already in the state election? 205 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 7: Then? 206 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: Is that? 207 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 3: What's up? 208 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: Now? 209 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: The campaign has a locked in date estate but it's 210 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: officially launched today apparently, so Roger will be smiling somewhere. 211 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: Can I can I ask you about the locked in 212 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: date because I'm fascinated by this. Is because do you 213 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: think federally we should have locked in date as well? 214 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: Do you think it works well? 215 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 5: So we might as well? 216 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, because this whole. 217 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: Thing where they just get them, you know what, let's 218 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: do that? That is actually something I can absolutely get behind. 219 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: That we have all our elections on the same day. 220 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: And when I say all our electionsence, I mean what 221 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: else you got? Yeah? 222 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: Something in your. 223 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: Local area, whatever Australian idol. Let's line them all up 224 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: so we have to vote. That'll actually get people more enthusiastic. 225 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 3: About the day. 226 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: I think, you know what, I'm going to Albo and 227 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: Guy Sebastian. That's my ticket this year. 228 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 4: That's not about it. 229 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 5: That's a genius idea and we should put. 230 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 4: It to them question as a running mate. 231 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, in the meantime, you can cat what's you're talking 232 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 7: about will in a very special bespoke show for your 233 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 7: eyes only. 234 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: Yes, there's only honestly about ten tickets left for the 235 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: entire series. It's next Wednesday and Thursday. If you get 236 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: in today so you might get. 237 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 5: To well fringeworld dot com today you I'll be getting 238 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 5: in too sweet for that. If you want to go, 239 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank good to 240 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 4: Actually not see you in person.