1 00:00:10,709 --> 00:00:14,869 Speaker 1: My Hard podcasts, hear more kids podcasts, playlists, and listen 2 00:00:14,909 --> 00:00:16,268 Speaker 1: live on the Free I Hard. 3 00:00:17,308 --> 00:00:20,788 Speaker 2: We've got Laura Henshaw in the studio right now. So, Laura, 4 00:00:20,988 --> 00:00:24,788 Speaker 2: we are talking about this Chris Griffin podcast that you've. 5 00:00:24,589 --> 00:00:27,109 Speaker 3: Been You're such a like. 6 00:00:27,709 --> 00:00:29,309 Speaker 2: I found it interesting when the girls in our team 7 00:00:29,309 --> 00:00:32,269 Speaker 2: were telling me that you've been quite vociferous about this. 8 00:00:32,469 --> 00:00:32,549 Speaker 4: Like. 9 00:00:32,668 --> 00:00:35,749 Speaker 3: I found that interesting because anyone that knows you personally. 10 00:00:35,388 --> 00:00:38,709 Speaker 2: Like you're a lovely person, Laura, Like, it's very hard 11 00:00:38,709 --> 00:00:40,788 Speaker 2: to get you riled up like at all. So like, 12 00:00:41,108 --> 00:00:43,149 Speaker 2: if either you're upset about this said to me, immediately, 13 00:00:43,149 --> 00:00:46,348 Speaker 2: I was like, there's gonna be something slightly wrong with this. 14 00:00:46,509 --> 00:00:48,149 Speaker 3: Here's just a little bit about what this guy was saying. 15 00:00:48,549 --> 00:00:50,469 Speaker 4: This is why I heavily encourage hot girl walks. I 16 00:00:50,468 --> 00:00:52,189 Speaker 4: would love my partner to go on a hot girl 17 00:00:52,188 --> 00:00:54,429 Speaker 4: walk with her friends every day, or she gets this 18 00:00:54,549 --> 00:00:56,429 Speaker 4: feminine energy, they get to have a bit of excitement 19 00:00:56,429 --> 00:00:58,589 Speaker 4: about their day. I don't think the girl needs to 20 00:00:58,629 --> 00:01:01,709 Speaker 4: go through challenge, pain and hardship to be an amazing girl. 21 00:01:01,869 --> 00:01:03,949 Speaker 4: I think she can fill her days with passion filled 22 00:01:03,989 --> 00:01:05,429 Speaker 4: things and still be amazing. 23 00:01:05,869 --> 00:01:07,629 Speaker 2: Do you think that this sort of language is something 24 00:01:07,629 --> 00:01:11,949 Speaker 2: that's catching on and and affecting people like actually, and 25 00:01:11,989 --> 00:01:13,349 Speaker 2: do you think that it's changeable? 26 00:01:13,549 --> 00:01:15,589 Speaker 5: The researcher came out that this type of content is 27 00:01:15,589 --> 00:01:19,509 Speaker 5: actually within mainstream. Now that's obviously really really scary. But 28 00:01:19,669 --> 00:01:21,349 Speaker 5: the other thing that came out that if you do 29 00:01:21,469 --> 00:01:25,549 Speaker 5: consume this type of content, it can impact a male's 30 00:01:25,629 --> 00:01:28,229 Speaker 5: view on a woman in a way that she can 31 00:01:28,269 --> 00:01:32,349 Speaker 5: be inferior. And obviously that is incredibly problematic if those 32 00:01:32,429 --> 00:01:35,709 Speaker 5: kind of belief systems are being instilled in a piece 33 00:01:35,709 --> 00:01:38,269 Speaker 5: of research. I believe it was from E sixty one 34 00:01:38,389 --> 00:01:43,548 Speaker 5: Institute gen z Men. They believe in gender roles more 35 00:01:43,629 --> 00:01:46,909 Speaker 5: than the older generation. Wow, which is insane. 36 00:01:47,149 --> 00:01:49,669 Speaker 6: That really does feel like it's flipped, like it's only 37 00:01:49,669 --> 00:01:52,189 Speaker 6: taking a few generations for it to go back the 38 00:01:52,229 --> 00:01:54,909 Speaker 6: other What do you think was the turning point there, Laura, 39 00:01:54,909 --> 00:01:57,349 Speaker 6: Because it feels like in my head, you always when 40 00:01:57,349 --> 00:02:00,469 Speaker 6: you're talking about you know, toxic masculinity and stuff, that's 41 00:02:00,469 --> 00:02:01,349 Speaker 6: the older generation. 42 00:02:01,469 --> 00:02:03,749 Speaker 1: What has happened for that to go back the other way? 43 00:02:03,989 --> 00:02:06,189 Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing is because this content has 44 00:02:06,229 --> 00:02:09,269 Speaker 5: come into mainstream and men are making a lot of 45 00:02:09,309 --> 00:02:11,549 Speaker 5: money from it, and the thing that's really scary is 46 00:02:11,668 --> 00:02:13,589 Speaker 5: very ready to go on someone's page and every single 47 00:02:13,629 --> 00:02:17,029 Speaker 5: piece of content is misogynistic, but it's the fitness content. 48 00:02:17,309 --> 00:02:20,309 Speaker 5: It's the you know, discipline for it, like go go, go, 49 00:02:20,389 --> 00:02:23,269 Speaker 5: punish yourself. Don't that you have to otherwise you're weak. 50 00:02:23,549 --> 00:02:26,269 Speaker 5: And then also make money quick or this is how 51 00:02:26,269 --> 00:02:29,029 Speaker 5: you make money kind of content. That's what it's kind 52 00:02:29,029 --> 00:02:30,989 Speaker 5: of surrounded by, which you can understand that that can 53 00:02:30,989 --> 00:02:33,309 Speaker 5: be appealing to people. They see it, they start following, 54 00:02:33,349 --> 00:02:35,749 Speaker 5: and then their beliefs actually impacted. 55 00:02:35,949 --> 00:02:38,349 Speaker 2: One of the women down in just down on the 56 00:02:38,349 --> 00:02:41,029 Speaker 2: floor was showing me something on Instagram the other day 57 00:02:41,029 --> 00:02:44,549 Speaker 2: that she follows called Hinge bios. So it's like screenshots 58 00:02:44,549 --> 00:02:47,109 Speaker 2: of guys bios on Hinge hilarious. I asked if it 59 00:02:47,149 --> 00:02:49,589 Speaker 2: was a joke one of them. Like the tagline like 60 00:02:49,669 --> 00:02:52,549 Speaker 2: under his name was I don't think you should be 61 00:02:52,629 --> 00:02:54,949 Speaker 2: able to have a child if you can't control what 62 00:02:54,989 --> 00:02:55,869 Speaker 2: you put into your. 63 00:02:55,709 --> 00:02:58,589 Speaker 3: Body every day. That was his bit. That was it, 64 00:02:58,829 --> 00:03:00,549 Speaker 3: and just a photo of him with his rigap is. 65 00:03:00,549 --> 00:03:02,549 Speaker 2: That that point for like clean living was that the 66 00:03:02,549 --> 00:03:05,629 Speaker 2: point was if you can't diet properly to keep weight off. 67 00:03:05,789 --> 00:03:07,389 Speaker 3: I don't think you should be able to have a kid. 68 00:03:07,589 --> 00:03:09,149 Speaker 3: Oh was the bit. 69 00:03:09,549 --> 00:03:11,549 Speaker 2: And I was like, what is this a joke? And 70 00:03:11,549 --> 00:03:12,749 Speaker 2: she was like, no, I have a look and show 71 00:03:12,789 --> 00:03:14,909 Speaker 2: you another one again. The tag one in his profile 72 00:03:14,989 --> 00:03:16,949 Speaker 2: was just I will make you feel insecure. 73 00:03:17,149 --> 00:03:18,669 Speaker 1: And this is on a dating at where he's trying 74 00:03:18,669 --> 00:03:20,389 Speaker 1: to attract women and they. 75 00:03:20,269 --> 00:03:24,989 Speaker 5: Think that that will attract him strong man. Yeah, it's 76 00:03:25,069 --> 00:03:25,589 Speaker 5: so scary. 77 00:03:25,829 --> 00:03:27,669 Speaker 3: It actually, it's same thing I had to have explained 78 00:03:27,709 --> 00:03:28,909 Speaker 3: to me. I was like, what's he going for? 79 00:03:29,029 --> 00:03:32,629 Speaker 1: So Laura other women that are believing this too, now. 80 00:03:32,989 --> 00:03:36,589 Speaker 5: Yeah, So we have seen a really big rise recently 81 00:03:36,629 --> 00:03:40,469 Speaker 5: in kind of the trad wives traditional traditional wife exactly. 82 00:03:40,469 --> 00:03:43,629 Speaker 5: But there's kind of now a type of social media 83 00:03:43,629 --> 00:03:46,949 Speaker 5: influencer that he's a tradwife. There are women that follow this, 84 00:03:46,949 --> 00:03:51,789 Speaker 5: this type of belief system, I suppose, but it's nothing 85 00:03:51,789 --> 00:03:53,389 Speaker 5: to do with it being a stayin home parent, being 86 00:03:53,429 --> 00:03:54,189 Speaker 5: bad at It's. 87 00:03:54,029 --> 00:03:55,749 Speaker 3: Funny you say that. I actually am very glad. 88 00:03:55,949 --> 00:03:58,869 Speaker 2: I think earlier, very early on, I said seven, I 89 00:03:58,869 --> 00:04:00,629 Speaker 2: sat down with our accountant and explained that I was 90 00:04:00,629 --> 00:04:02,629 Speaker 2: going to keep working while she had Max and looked 91 00:04:02,629 --> 00:04:04,549 Speaker 2: after Max and raised her and one of the first 92 00:04:04,589 --> 00:04:06,189 Speaker 2: things he said is he was like, all right, mate, 93 00:04:06,229 --> 00:04:08,069 Speaker 2: well you're going to be earning money. 94 00:04:08,109 --> 00:04:09,069 Speaker 3: She's not going to be money. 95 00:04:09,149 --> 00:04:10,469 Speaker 2: So he was like, I don't really want to strong 96 00:04:10,589 --> 00:04:12,429 Speaker 2: arm you into this, but I think you should just 97 00:04:12,669 --> 00:04:15,949 Speaker 2: kind of just needed to join everything because otherwise, you know, 98 00:04:16,069 --> 00:04:17,909 Speaker 2: well like even if like I die or whatever, like 99 00:04:17,949 --> 00:04:19,389 Speaker 2: you know, if I haven't got impact, if I haven't 100 00:04:19,389 --> 00:04:21,269 Speaker 2: got income protection or you know, all that sort of stuff, 101 00:04:21,269 --> 00:04:22,988 Speaker 2: you're gon to be leaving it a completely high and dry. 102 00:04:23,229 --> 00:04:24,789 Speaker 2: I don't think you should if you listen to this, 103 00:04:24,829 --> 00:04:26,749 Speaker 2: and you should, you should necessarily blame yourself if it's 104 00:04:26,749 --> 00:04:29,469 Speaker 2: something you thought of before. Either because the reason that 105 00:04:29,509 --> 00:04:32,029 Speaker 2: a lot of this kind of manisphere of stuff has arisen, 106 00:04:32,069 --> 00:04:33,429 Speaker 2: and maybe why a lot of the younger boys are 107 00:04:33,469 --> 00:04:37,589 Speaker 2: gravitating towards it, is because there was that move towards 108 00:04:38,069 --> 00:04:40,748 Speaker 2: you know, like condemning toxic masculinity, et cetera. But I 109 00:04:40,749 --> 00:04:42,709 Speaker 2: think that, like you know, as can naturally happen, the 110 00:04:42,789 --> 00:04:45,988 Speaker 2: left can kind of start eating itself where you get 111 00:04:46,229 --> 00:04:48,909 Speaker 2: wrapping young boys over over the head with a stick 112 00:04:48,909 --> 00:04:51,149 Speaker 2: and being like you're not you're not good enough, you're 113 00:04:51,149 --> 00:04:53,748 Speaker 2: all toxic, and then they don't have anyone. 114 00:04:53,469 --> 00:04:55,389 Speaker 3: To talk to, and then there's almost like a rebellion, and. 115 00:04:55,349 --> 00:04:57,789 Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, there's a guy over here going, hey, 116 00:04:57,949 --> 00:05:00,869 Speaker 2: people making you feel alienated and redundant and that you're 117 00:05:00,949 --> 00:05:03,869 Speaker 2: sexually impotent. Hey, there's this there's this language we're all 118 00:05:03,949 --> 00:05:05,389 Speaker 2: using over here, we're all getting around each other. So 119 00:05:05,389 --> 00:05:08,589 Speaker 2: you could see the natural progression there. So I mentioned 120 00:05:08,589 --> 00:05:11,109 Speaker 2: that because if you haven't had these thoughts to yourself 121 00:05:11,109 --> 00:05:13,789 Speaker 2: about this, then you haven't thought about your role, you know, 122 00:05:13,988 --> 00:05:15,309 Speaker 2: with your partner or how you might be able to 123 00:05:15,309 --> 00:05:18,389 Speaker 2: support them, and thinking about superannuation stuff. That's okay, Yeah, 124 00:05:19,029 --> 00:05:20,428 Speaker 2: you know the best time. The best time to plant 125 00:05:20,469 --> 00:05:22,269 Speaker 2: a tree is ten years ago or right now, you know. 126 00:05:22,909 --> 00:05:24,628 Speaker 1: I think it's just listening to it now and going 127 00:05:24,669 --> 00:05:26,669 Speaker 1: like oh and understanding it from that perspective. 128 00:05:26,789 --> 00:05:29,629 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, we're not judging you for it. And you might' 129 00:05:29,629 --> 00:05:30,188 Speaker 3: have been aware of it. 130 00:05:30,189 --> 00:05:31,589 Speaker 2: You might have been caught up in this group and 131 00:05:31,629 --> 00:05:34,229 Speaker 2: been like it is I've been talking like that. 132 00:05:34,469 --> 00:05:34,989 Speaker 3: It's awful. 133 00:05:35,069 --> 00:05:36,669 Speaker 1: This Chris guy thought he was doing the right thing. 134 00:05:36,869 --> 00:05:39,149 Speaker 1: I think it's also important to demonize this Chris Griffin. 135 00:05:39,909 --> 00:05:42,868 Speaker 1: I think he's he's saying that, thinking I'm being a 136 00:05:42,869 --> 00:05:44,389 Speaker 1: great partner through all of this. 137 00:05:44,869 --> 00:05:49,629 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, arguably yes, be the scariest part about it though. 138 00:05:49,829 --> 00:05:50,749 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for coming in. 139 00:05:50,869 --> 00:05:54,149 Speaker 3: Thank you really appreciate it. Headlong to the Kick app. 140 00:05:54,509 --> 00:05:57,188 Speaker 2: Find out more Kicks new Strength trainer on the Kick app. 141 00:05:57,229 --> 00:05:59,269 Speaker 2: Go and get it around Steph and Laura. We love 142 00:05:59,269 --> 00:06:01,188 Speaker 2: getting around these guys. There are some things coming in Laura. 143 00:06:01,349 --> 00:06:01,669 Speaker 5: Thank you.