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Speaker 1: Lisa Stellaker is the first woman to score one thousand

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Speaker 2: But her cricketing journey began.

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Speaker 1: In her teenage years when she became the first woman

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Speaker 3: And as they say, the rest is history, as.

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Speaker 1: Lisa went on to captain the New South Wales breakers

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Speaker 1: as well as the Australian national team. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the Female Athlete Project and thanks for pressing play on

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Speaker 1: today's episode. My name is Sophie Norris, the producer here

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Speaker 1: at teeth app and for our final Athlete episode of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, Chloe sits down with Australian cricketing legend

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Speaker 1: Lisa Stellaker. Lisa played more than one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: five career odeis for Australia, most notably taking the winning

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Speaker 1: catch in the twenty thirteen Women's World Cup Final, but

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Speaker 1: Lisa's resume off the pitch is just as impressive, winning

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Speaker 1: back to back Belinda Clark medals, becoming the first woman

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Speaker 1: to be President of the World Cricketers Association, and most

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Speaker 1: recently co founding Around the Wickets, a women's travel business,

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Speaker 1: encouraging fans to travel the world to support the Australian team.

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Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed this episode and it gets you

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Speaker 1: pumped for the summer of cricket ahead. If you have

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Speaker 1: any athletes you want to see you on the podcast

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, slide into our DMS or drop

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Speaker 2: Lisa's to Lake are welcome to the Female Athlete Project.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I feel very special being here because I've

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Speaker 3: been following you guys for a long period of time,

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Speaker 3: been a big fan of what you've done, so feel

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Speaker 2: Thank you. It's special to have you here. You are

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Speaker 2: an icon in cricket and obviously what you've done as

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Speaker 2: a cricketer as an athlete, but I think what you've

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Speaker 2: done post career as well has been amazing. So I'm

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Speaker 2: very much looking forward to having a chat with you today.

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Speaker 2: We always start off by going back to people's childhood.

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Speaker 2: Can you describe Lisa as a little kid.

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Speaker 3: One that's spent a lot of time outdoors, whether it

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Speaker 3: soon fell in love with sport in general, didn't matter

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Speaker 2: Not a bit fair at school.

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Speaker 3: Look, school has its purpose and kids, you should actually finish.

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Speaker 3: I highly recommend that you do finish, and whether it

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Speaker 3: sport was always fun. I enjoyed it. I loved the competitiveness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I like that. I like that. Was it your

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Speaker 3: Yeah? He was the one that kind of took me outdoors.

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Speaker 3: Helps you can create as many opportunities as you like,

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Speaker 3: We're not here to score a thousand runs quickly. It's

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Speaker 2: You've had a huge number of accolades. It's been World

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when your back's against the wall to be able

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Speaker 3: We've got the sun under control. And thankfully I was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a real It's a thing, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why I think like cricket New South

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Speaker 3: You always just won. It's almost like you put the

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Speaker 3: out on the park because that aura that comes with it.

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00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: It's the same thing with the Australian women's side now,

438
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 3: like when they come to ICC events, everyone goes, well,

439
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: Australia is going to be in the final? Who are

440
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: they going to play it? Basically, So there is that

441
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 3: aura that has taken generations to create.

442
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: So if you as a coach can't force it upon

443
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 2: other people, what other strategies do you employ in that situation.

444
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: I think you're trying to create an environment, in a

445
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: training environment where it's tough, it's really difficult. You're putting

446
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: people under pressure seeing how they can cope, and you're

447
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 3: hoping that you create enough opportunities, whether it be intrasquad matches,

448
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 3: warm up matches, scenarios where they start to believe in

449
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 3: themselves a little bit more, and that when push comes

450
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 3: to shove in a real pressure situation when it does

451
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: actually count, they've already been through that situation so they

452
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 3: know the answer straight away. That's what we tried to

453
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 3: do well. That's what I tried to do when I

454
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 3: was working at Cricket New South Wales and playing for Australia.

455
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 3: Whatever we did at an Australian level, I tried to

456
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 3: put it straight into our junior program so that a

457
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 3: young Elisa Heay, Elise Perry, Sarah Cooit, all of those

458
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 3: girls got an opportunity to go, Okay, this is how

459
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 3: it's done. So then hopefully when they transition it's not

460
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: too daunting and the gap isn't too big.

461
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: How would you compare what your conditions were like in

462
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: resources as a player compared to your pezzes and your

463
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: midges and the players well, even the younger players now

464
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: are coming through.

465
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm fortunate enough to work and step back into

466
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: the New South Wales women's program at the moment, just

467
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 3: as a bit of a mentor hanger on or I think.

468
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: But anyway, is that yeah, that is I should put

469
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 3: that in there. But we all of us worked, worked

470
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: full time, trained two nights a week, trained indoors, didn't

471
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: get access to turf very much, had to fit other

472
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 3: sessions around work. Our touring group used to be just

473
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: the head coach, physio manager, maybe an assistant and an analyst,

474
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 3: whereas now it's like one to one coach and coaching

475
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 3: staff and players. The new South Wales girls, they are

476
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 3: out out near Olympic Park. I don't know if you've

477
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: gone to the facility, but please do more than welcome

478
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 3: to have you over. But you walk in there recovery pools.

479
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 3: Kitchens I said. All past players should be in the

480
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 3: hot spa with a bottle of champagne whenever they want.

481
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: That's nice, you know, pave the way for all of you. Yeah,

482
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 3: turf facilities whenever they want, indoor facilities. Trained during the day,

483
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: that was the other thing. And you would have gone

484
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: through this as well. You work all day, then you

485
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: train at night, you get home at like eight thirty nine,

486
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: throw something down your gob yeah, and off you go again.

487
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: And we used to even play and it would never

488
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 3: happen in cricket now. We used to fly Friday morning,

489
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: play a T twenty in the afternoon, then play a

490
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 3: fifty over Saturday, a fifty over Sunday, get on a plane,

491
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 3: go home, go to work. Brutal whereas they have to

492
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: have so many days rest. They're a bit precious then

493
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 3: they're not. But yeah, that was just to fit everything

494
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 3: in or a camp used to be four days of

495
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: we're going to thrash you. So by the time you

496
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: get on the plane you can't walk because you're so

497
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: physically exhausted and sore. But that was maximize your time

498
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 3: because it was just a hobby.

499
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen, you're in the ODI World carp And then

500
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: was it the next day you announced your retirement?

501
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: Well that night I did, but at officially it came out,

502
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: so I knew I was coming to the end of

503
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 3: my career. As soon as you start counting the training

504
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: sessions and warm ups, it's always the warm up warmups.

505
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I still don't understand why as cricket as

506
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 3: we warm up and then we sit down.

507
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: Yes, it's ridiculous anyway, Well.

508
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 3: That's another podcast in itself. But yeah, So we'd won

509
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: the Ashes back in twenty eleven, we'd won the T

510
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 3: twenty World Cup in Sri Lanka in September twenty twelve,

511
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: and the last one was a last trophy that we

512
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: were wanting to put in our cabinet was twenty thirteen,

513
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 3: and it happened to be in Mumbai, a place that

514
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: I went to as a young girl because my grandmother

515
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: was a My father had fallen in love with the

516
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: game at the same venue where the final was, and

517
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 3: my hope and desire was to win the World Cup

518
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: and retire. I only told my family and maybe two

519
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: or three friends. No one in the team knew.

520
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: Wow.

521
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: Got to the final, playing West Indies out in the

522
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: middle and Pez came running over to me. She goes, oh,

523
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: how many overs have you got left? I've got not

524
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: done and then she was like sorry, I went oh, no,

525
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: I bowled my tent and she kind of I think

526
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 3: that I don't know if she ever kind of twigged

527
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: to the fact that that was it. Thankfully we won

528
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: the World Cup and then half an hour, maybe forty minutes,

529
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 3: I went up to the chair of Selectors and I said,

530
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: that's it. I'm done. She goes, oh, I wondered whether

531
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: you'd go on for the Ashes, because that's you know,

532
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: previous players had they kind of go on for the

533
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: Ashes because you kind of get a trip to England

534
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: and then they can have a holiday in Europe. And

535
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: I was like, no, that's that's another three months of

536
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: pre season, oh.

537
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: Man, three months more running done yeap.

538
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: So it was a perfect time because Elise Perry. Sorry,

539
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: Alisa Healy didn't play that whole entire World Cup. You

540
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: had Meg Lanning in the side. Pez was playing obviously,

541
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: but there was this nixt crop Megan shoot. That was

542
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 3: her first tournament, right, Yeah, so that's how old tutor

543
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: is that she played with me. So so there was

544
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: that good craw group and they were ready to go.

545
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: How did it feel to get a fairytale retirement in

546
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: a way, And I think that kind of romantic part

547
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: of telling the story about your dad and yeah, like

548
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: how did it feel to have that a blessing?

549
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: Because I know athletes don't get those choices, they don't

550
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: get those opportunities. Like my last thing that I did

551
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 3: for Australia was I went full length dive to my

552
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: right to take the winning catch and we won. That's it.

553
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: And actually ice C just put it out on social

554
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: media today, oh catch yeah, so yeah, so it's on

555
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 3: my Instagram post. So really sweet. So to have that memory,

556
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 3: I was surprised it wasn't in black and white, but

557
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: it was great. But yeah, to kind of finish like that,

558
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: and like the circle of it being in India that

559
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: that meant a lot to me as well. So it

560
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: just seemed like all the stars were aligning and it

561
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 3: was like Lisa just fingers crossed, we can get the

562
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: job done. And then, you know, I see other great

563
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 3: players not necessarily retire the way they want to. You know,

564
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: a prime example is Meg Lanning. You know, while she's

565
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: still playing and it's great, you know, part of me

566
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: is so sad that she never got to maybe finish

567
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: the way she wanted to in Australia because other things

568
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 3: unfortunately affected her. But you know, hopefully Elisa or Pez

569
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 3: or Megan shoot get those opportunities to finish on a high.

570
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: Because this this core group of girls that have played

571
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: since I retired has literally transformed the game on the

572
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 3: women's game and have been household names. So they deserve

573
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: they deserve a little bit of time in the sun.

574
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: How did it feel like? You get the fairy tale

575
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: and you do it on your terms? But what was

576
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: your headspace like thinking what on earth do I do now?

577
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: Thankfully I was still working full time. That's the difference.

578
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: The difference, isn't it You were a professional cricketer.

579
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 3: Nope, So it was never it was never about the

580
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: money or who I was, so to speak. I had

581
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: a full time job to go back to, which is

582
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: one that I did for eleven years. Prior to that,

583
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 3: I did it for one more year. It was bored.

584
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: What was the job?

585
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 3: So I was high performance manager of all the junior

586
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: elite female programs across New South Wales. So I wanted

587
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: to leave straight away. And everyone's like, whoa, Okay, you

588
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: just retired and now you want to leave. What are

589
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: you going to do? And I'm like, I don't know,

590
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: but I need to do something else right. And I

591
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 3: think that that they had hoped people people within Cricket

592
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: New South Wales. I'd hoped that I would keep going

593
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: down the coaching path and that one day I'd coached

594
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: New South Wales and the Australian team. I thought it

595
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: would be slightly strange having coached all of these young

596
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: girls in the junior program and then they became my

597
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: teammates and then became my good friends, and then go

598
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: back to coaching them for a good ten years before

599
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: they retired. I just that didn't sit well with me,

600
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: and I don't think they would have listened to anything

601
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: I would have said because they knew who I was

602
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: as a person, and I got a little bit of

603
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: a snippet or an insight into commentary. In twenty ten,

604
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: I sat next to Tony Gregg and Mark Nicholas and

605
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: commentated for five overs in an ACA All Stars where

606
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: Tim Paine actually broke his finger, and I thought, this

607
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: is a pretty cool job. How do I do this?

608
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: And then basically as soon as I retired, I started

609
00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: to figure out how do I get into cricket commentary

610
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: broadcast that type of thing.

611
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: How did it feel honing your craft in that area

612
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: where as a player you do your video analysis and

613
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: your per analysis and all of those things, transitioning to

614
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: very publicly sharing your opinions on the game.

615
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: Well, firstly, they don't give you a lesson.

616
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: No, they don't do they You get thrown in the

617
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: deep end.

618
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 3: And they don't give you any feedback. I don't know

619
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 3: if you found that, You're.

620
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: Like very common experience, I reckon for athletes who are

621
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: usually desperate for feedback. The second you go into comm's

622
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: TV media anything no feedback.

623
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 3: I feel like producers are a little bit scared to

624
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: actually tell you, and it's like no, no, no. You need

625
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 3: to understand. As athletes, we ridicule ourselves in front of

626
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: everyone else because we're always we put our hand up.

627
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 3: I stuffed up here. I needed to do this, so

628
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 3: you can call me out on this, yeah, because I

629
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: know why I'm rubbish at the moment.

630
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: So please make better on you to tell me. Yeah, totally.

631
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: But they don't get that because maybe in in entertainment

632
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 3: or other presenters or people that haven't come from a

633
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: sporting background, it's like, well, if someone's told you're rubbish

634
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: and you're about to go in front of the camera

635
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 3: and you're going to freeze or you're going to doubt yourself,

636
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: we'll get better. But I think that's our mindset. So

637
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: it was literally sometimes recording what I did and playing

638
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 3: it back and going oh no, and I don't really

639
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: want to I don't really want to do that ever,

640
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 3: but or having good friends that didn't blow smoke up

641
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: my arms saying well, how you did great, It's like,

642
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: now what were you talking about there? So you needed

643
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 3: a few people around you to be really honest. And

644
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 3: then I got some training. I thought, okay, there was

645
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: there was a time I was doing the IPL and

646
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 3: it was the first time you had to kind of

647
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: shoot straight down the barrel, so there was no one

648
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: next to you, and you had to remember. It was

649
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: like a three minute segment of stats, ground dimensions, player matchups,

650
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 3: all sorts of things. And I nailed the first one,

651
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: but I got one stat wrong. And then once she

652
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: gets in your hair, spiral ten, take ten, and I'm like, sorry,

653
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: guys with me while I'm sweating. My hair was straight

654
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 3: to start with them. By the end it was curly.

655
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 3: But I realized, Okay, I need to work on shooting

656
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: down the barrel where I don't have someone to feed

657
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 3: off and bounce off. It's easier as an athlete to

658
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 3: do that because we're used to doing that. Someone asks

659
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: us questions, we answer it. But to learn to be

660
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: able to stand in front of the camera by yourself

661
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: and talk with emotion, happiness, whatever, and remember everything is

662
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: another skill set. But practice makes perfect.

663
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I want to talk about do you

664
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Speaker 2: call it FIKA. I'm calling it FIKA the Federation of

665
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: International Cricketers Association.

666
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's changed its name, oh, because Fika is also

667
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: an Italian swear word. Okay, And when we ask the

668
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: players what what does FEKER stand for, they're like, oh,

669
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 3: so it's now called the World Cricketers Association it's quite easy.

670
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. In twenty twenty two, you became the first

671
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: woman to be president of what used to be FIKA,

672
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: which is now WCA.

673
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 3: Correct.

674
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: What was that process like? Were the people pushing back,

675
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 2: were the people supporting you? What was the process like

676
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: to be the first woman to be the president?

677
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: To give you a bit more background, I was on

678
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: so there was a couple of us that pushed for

679
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: Australian players to be part of the Australian Cricketers Association.

680
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: This was two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight.

681
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 3: That was when we first started conversations and because because

682
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 3: of that, I was asked to be on the executive

683
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: executive director. So that was my first opportunity to kind

684
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 3: of be on a board. And we actually were going

685
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 3: through an MoU agreement and I remember having to read

686
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: through this and then I was going through it all

687
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: going oh, was that what the men get?

688
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: Oh?

689
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: Is that what the men get? Oh? Okay, we don't

690
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: get any of this. And so that opened my world

691
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 3: up to what professional sport or professional athletes get support.

692
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 3: So then I was on that board for a while

693
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: and then twenty fifteen they asked me to come on

694
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 3: to FIKA back then as it was known. So I

695
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 3: was the first female on there, and it was mainly

696
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: to push other player associations to ensure that they were

697
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: looking after female athletes because that was a whole new

698
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: cohort that all the men who were in the role

699
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: had no idea what to do. And then yeah, twenty

700
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: twenty two, the CEO and the chair caught up with

701
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: me in Dubai and they were like, so we'd like

702
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: you to be president and I was like, surely there's

703
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: someone else better. Typical female response, right, I said why me?

704
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 3: And they go, well, you're perfect. You've been involved in

705
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 3: our association now for a long time. You're a huge

706
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: player advocate, and our organization wants to recognize and show

707
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: at a leadership level that there's equality, like it's not

708
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 3: just men, and yes we'll service the female athletes, but

709
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 3: we don't really have any women involved. So yeah, I

710
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 3: took it on and still here, what.

711
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: Have you learned in your advocacy journey?

712
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: Slow and steady, You've got to pick your battles, You've

713
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 3: got to be quite strategic. What's your end goal? How

714
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: are you going to get there? And maybe this this

715
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: issue isn't isn't one to die for and you have

716
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 3: to there's always a give and take. That's one thing

717
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: I've I've realized there's a list of pros, there's a

718
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: list of wants, and it's like, okay, well, if what

719
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: are we happy with with the results? Are we happy

720
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: with half of them, three quarters of them or all

721
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: of them were going in And there'll be There'll be

722
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 3: points in time where you have to stick to your

723
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: guns and there are other times where you have to negotiate.

724
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: But one thing I've seen change over the time is

725
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: that more and more females are starting to be involved

726
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 3: in decision making at that executive level, and that changes

727
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 3: the outcome immensely.

728
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Twenty twenty three we saw Cricket Australia sign

729
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: a record CBA sharing about one thirty three million dollars

730
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: worth of revenue. For me, I guess as an athlete

731
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 2: who's played in different sports, I often look at cricket

732
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: as a sport that's led the way I think in

733
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: its cbas in its advocacy for its women players. Do

734
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Speaker 2: you feel the same way. Do you think cricket has

735
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: led the way? Do you think there's more that can

736
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Speaker 2: be done in that space.

737
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Speaker 3: Certainly led the way. Twenty seventeen was when there was

738
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: the big dust up and all players went off contract

739
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: i think for six weeks or seven weeks in the end,

740
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: and the great thing was there was unity. And obviously

741
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: Cricket Australia at the time wanted to break up the

742
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: revenue share model. Players were like, no, no, no, this

743
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 3: is how it's done and this is how it's always

744
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: done and that's worked the best and it was the

745
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: first time that women became part of the revenue share.

746
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: Do you want to explain the revenue share model for

747
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: people who might not know what it is.

748
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 3: So revenue share model is basically within cricket, there's all

749
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 3: a revenue that comes in. Now the players don't get

750
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 3: a percentage of the full revenue. There'll be bits taken out,

751
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 3: but there's a good chunk of it where the players

752
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 3: then get a certain percentage. And so we were always

753
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 3: the Australian Cricketers Association always had an agreement with Cricket

754
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: Australia that the male players would get a percentage of

755
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: that because they're contributing as partners in the game. And

756
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 3: what comes out of that is the player payment salaries,

757
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: all the welfare programs, ACAS allotment to look after and

758
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: staffed their people. So there was a lot of different

759
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: things that came out of that, and also money going

760
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 3: back into grassroots programs and having past players or players

761
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: no longer playing state cricket to play Premier cricket and

762
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: giving back that way. So there are a lot of

763
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: programs involved. So for the females to be part of that,

764
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 3: because the age old thing is well, women aren't commercial,

765
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: like I see you roll your eyes. Yes, I know

766
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 3: I'm speaking to people that understand, but so for them

767
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: to be able to access that was really huge, and

768
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: I remember having even the discussion It's like I paid,

769
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 3: you know, Fox because I love cricket and I'm a

770
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: female player, but I don't generally, I don't benefit from

771
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: that even though because I'm a lover of the game.

772
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 3: Money isn't coming to me because I'm a female player,

773
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: but I'm contributing to the revenue that that doesn't seem fair.

774
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 3: And so only twenty seventeen was where women came in.

775
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 3: And then we get to the point where we've got

776
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 3: now pregnancy policies our state players whilst they're not full time.

777
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: I think they're point eight. They're getting more and more

778
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: opportunities to train to play and hopefully we'll see them

779
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: in the next few years become full time salary for cricket.

780
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: So the revenue share is really important. I know different

781
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 3: sports do it differently, but COVID was probably a prime

782
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: example where if the sport is flying, everyone flies, but

783
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 3: if the sport takes a hit for whatever reason, then

784
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 3: the players should take a hit as well. And so

785
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 3: there wasn't the huge adjustment or taking money away. It

786
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: was just done over a period of time. Players were

787
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 3: still getting paid, but maybe not as much as they

788
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 3: did because the money wasn't in the game at that time.

789
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 3: So I think it allows, you know, as pure partnership

790
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: to grow the game because everyone will benefit from it.

791
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 2: You touched on earlier the aura of the Australian women's

792
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 2: cricket team and obviously the immense success that they've had.

793
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: How do you see the game globally in terms of

794
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: inequities in funding in different countries.

795
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I think since integration and since that, you know,

796
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 3: there's an ICC event almost every year now, countries want

797
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: to win and if you're going to compete against Australia

798
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 3: or the big countries. You've got to put programs in place,

799
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 3: so more and more money and funding has gone into

800
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 3: women's program across countries. Some do it better than others,

801
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 3: and some decide to invest in the next tier down

802
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 3: in domestic cricket in pathways Australia A, India A. There's

803
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 3: an under nineteen World Cup now, which obviously forces the

804
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 3: hand of some national cricketing bodies to invest in their

805
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: junior pathways as well. So there's been leavers that we've

806
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: been able to kind of pull at an ICC level

807
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: to ensure that countries actually put things in place. But

808
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: like anything, some will do it better than others. But

809
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 3: there are more opportunities than ever before. I just like

810
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 3: to see domestic cricket in all those countries really strong,

811
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: because whilst you can pay the top players everything, once

812
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 3: they go, what have you got?

813
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to be sustainable. Yep, you very clearly

814
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: wear a lot of hats. You've also just recently launched

815
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: a new business. Can you tell us all about it?

816
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called Around the Wickeds.

817
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: She's wrapping the polos.

818
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 3: Yep. I thought I better and I mentioned rena whore

819
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: who rang me up to say I was selected in

820
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 3: the Australian team. There was My first World Cup was

821
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: in South Africa in two thousand and five and there

822
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: was a small group of family and friends that traveled

823
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: as an athlete, and you know, you kind of look

824
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: in the stands in a different country and you kind

825
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 3: of go, oh, they're cheering for me, or I know them,

826
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 3: or this is great, they're spurring me on. And obviously

827
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: we won that World Cup. We celebrated nice, long and hard,

828
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 3: and it was so nice to have that group there.

829
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 3: And what I've seen, because women's cricket is now quite popular,

830
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 3: there's this old group of players that whenever it's at

831
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 3: North Sydney over they get there so early because they

832
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 3: want the same seats that they've always had and they've

833
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: missed out because the game's grown and other people now coming,

834
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 3: so I wanted. And the thing is there's also the

835
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: World Cups in India, and given my love for that

836
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 3: country and probably some people's perception of oh, I couldn't

837
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 3: go to India, like I'm not quite sure of the travel,

838
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: the food, what do I do? Do they speak English

839
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: or all of that, don't worry. We've got you sworded basically.

840
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 3: So our first tour group is to India. So we've

841
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: got a small group called the Ossie Troopers, and actually

842
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 3: I've had some inquiries from New Zealand. There's a small

843
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 3: group that want to go because I get it. They

844
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 3: don't want to try and book or hail down cabs

845
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 3: and so everything's taken care of once you're on the ground. Hospitality, tickets.

846
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: And the thing is if you're a cricket lover or

847
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 3: a lover of sport, right and you like ticking off

848
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 3: some big moments like women's football World Cup. I managed

849
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: to go to the final and it was like amazing.

850
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: So if you kind of that type of person, then

851
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 3: you have to see a game of cricket live in

852
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: India because the stadium, the noise, the atmosphere is something

853
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: we don't experience. Like the music just gets you up dancing, right,

854
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: there's this beat, this Indian beat that just keeps going

855
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: and you love it. And they just love good cricket, right.

856
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: They're not booing anyone, they're just celebrating. So yeah, So

857
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 3: Around the Wickets is basically a tour group for people

858
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: that love women's cricket. They want to tick off some

859
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: amazing places around the world and first stop is India.

860
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: I love that. We'll get I'll make sure so produced

861
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: so includes some information in the show notes as well,

862
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: so people can go and check that out. Two questions

863
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: that I ask everyone who comes on the show, who

864
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: has had the biggest impact on you as a person?

865
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 3: Probably say my father, just because of the impact that

866
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 3: he had, and we've spoken throughout about opening my eyes

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Speaker 3: up to different opportunities, but then also probably honing my mind.

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Speaker 3: And then you know the person I call when things

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00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 3: aren't going well and I need a little bit of

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00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 3: love and support. He's always there, So I'd say he's

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Speaker 3: been had the biggest impact.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. What would you describe as your

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Speaker 2: favorite failure?

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00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 3: When the Vice captaincy was taken away from me and

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00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 3: broke my heart, broke me as a person for a while,

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Speaker 3: But then you have to have to fight, You have

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Speaker 3: to find a way to get back, or you just

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00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 3: succumb to it. Your choice. Really, I think I learned

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Speaker 3: a lot about myself then and there.

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Speaker 2: How did you come back? What did you do a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of soul searching? I kept to myself a lot. You know,

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00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 3: I became quite introverted within the group. I just looked

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00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 3: after myself. I was done looking after anyone else. You know,

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00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 3: when you feel like you've been burnt stuff everyone. And

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00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 3: to be fair, probably the two people that got me

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Speaker 3: out were a Lisa Heally and Elise Perry because I

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00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 3: were young kids who were little shits coming in, didn't

888
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 3: you know, didn't have a care in the world, didn't understand,

889
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,479
Speaker 3: weren't part of that time, and they played the game

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Speaker 3: for fun. So I just hung out with them, and

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00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 3: they kind of got me to see without them ever realizing,

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00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 3: got me to see why I chose cricket in the

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Speaker 3: first place.

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Speaker 2: That's really cool. I love that. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for your time today and sharing your story and all

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Speaker 2: of the incredible things you've done, and thank you for

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Speaker 2: the impact that you've had on the game, but what

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Speaker 2: that's done for women's sport more broadly.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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