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Speaker 1: Know, Peter Hell, are you here? Welcome to you ain't
Speaker 1: seen nothing yet?
Speaker 2: The Movie Podcast where I chat to a movie lover
Speaker 2: about a classic or beloved movie they haven't quite got
Speaker 2: around to watching until now. And today's guest gold Logi
Speaker 2: winner Samuel Johnson.
Speaker 3: Would you give me a hand with the bags?
Speaker 4: Certainly you take the blond and I'll take the mine
Speaker 4: in the table, sir, the most you ever most Aquin to.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, make my day.
Speaker 1: Haven't a right now nothing year.
Speaker 2: My late great Auntie Carmel gave me the heads up.
Speaker 2: A former student of hers had won a role in
Speaker 2: a TV show on Channel ten called The Secret Life
Speaker 2: of Us. I immediately took an interest in Samuel Johnson's career.
Speaker 2: The rest of Australia didn't actually need my Annie Carmel's
Speaker 2: advice or heads up. They all fell for Sam straight away,
Speaker 2: and the love affair has continued throughout his many roles
Speaker 2: in Crackerjack, Rush, The Illustrated, The Family Doctor and Molly.
Speaker 2: He went on to win Australia's top TV Prize, the
Speaker 2: TV Week Gold LOGI beating an illustrious field, including me.
Speaker 2: But it's not all about acting for Sam. Far from it.
Speaker 2: Sam has become an amazing philanthropist, a crusader, wowing.
Speaker 1: To read the world of the scourge of that is.
Speaker 2: Cancer in the name of his beautiful sister Connie with
Speaker 2: his Love Your Sister Foundation. He started by riding around
Speaker 2: the country on a bloody unicycle.
Speaker 1: Yep, He's that kind of legend.
Speaker 2: Sam is a human thunderbolt, a tsunami of goodwill and
Speaker 2: emotion and compassion and more simply, a bloke is trying
Speaker 2: to make a massive difference to the world around him.
Speaker 1: And I'm bloody stoke.
Speaker 2: They have Samuel Johnson, my friend, here with me today.
Speaker 3: Hello, my name is Samuel Johnson. My three favorite films
Speaker 3: are The Castle, Tell him He's dreaming, Chopper, there's no
Speaker 3: cash here here, There's no cash, all right, cash, No Robbo,
Speaker 3: no cash, Apocalypto, My Saka. And up until last night,
Speaker 3: I had not seen Predator.
Speaker 2: A rumble in the jungle alien style as Arnold Schwartzenegger's
Speaker 2: Dutch leads a cracked team of commandos in a non
Speaker 2: specific Latin American country on a rescue mission for potential
Speaker 2: survivors of a helicopter shot down in the South American jungle.
Speaker 1: But it seems Carl Weathers Colonel L. Dillon had a
Speaker 1: ulterior motive.
Speaker 2: I almost completely forget what that ulterior motive really was,
Speaker 2: And it really doesn't matter because the rest of the
Speaker 2: movie is waiting for them in the jungle on their
Speaker 2: return to the aforementioned chopper, a chameleon alien who for
Speaker 2: the first forty minutes of the film basically pervs on
Speaker 2: our special force ostudes and hostage Anna, turning them into
Speaker 2: hyperca T shirts. But when the Predator actually arrives and
Speaker 2: announces him or herself, the film really takes off. In
Speaker 2: John mctiernanth nineteen eighty seven action classic Predator, Samuel Johnson,
Speaker 2: are you happy to stick around? That was one of
Speaker 2: Arnie's great bad libs in the film. How are you mate?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Really well?
Speaker 1: Hell are yeah? Very good?
Speaker 2: That's good. Great to have you on board. Thank you
Speaker 2: for having me you Why Predator?
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of it's a film that you should see.
Speaker 3: It's a classic. I knew that before I'd watched it.
Speaker 3: Last night. My partner likes those type of films, and yeah,
Speaker 3: I'd lost a few a few points in the credit
Speaker 3: department by not having seen it. And when I was
Speaker 3: speaking to her about which film to watch, she kind
Speaker 3: of she told me that I probably didn't deserve any
Speaker 3: in showbiz if I hadn't seen that film, and that
Speaker 3: I was lucky enough to get away with two decades
Speaker 3: and in showbiz as it was without having seen it.
Speaker 3: Make she made me feel like an absolute numpty for
Speaker 3: not having seen it, and and and and and she's right.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's a bit like not seeing Terminator
Speaker 3: or yeah, you know, it's a bit like not seeing
Speaker 3: I don't know, but you know, it's it's an iconic film.
Speaker 3: It's it's like it was, I missed pop culture because
Speaker 3: I was raised without a TV. So my dad was
Speaker 3: an author. He was at a pub once and a
Speaker 3: guy came up to him and asked him what he did,
Speaker 3: and he said, I'm an author and the guy said
Speaker 3: what's an author? And Dad just went I off. He
Speaker 3: couldn't even be bothered explaining it to him. But my dad,
Speaker 3: and my dad was a writer, and and he also
Speaker 3: was an avid book collector. He collected every he collected
Speaker 3: Australian fiction, and he had every Australian fiction book ever
Speaker 3: published in its first edition, except for the few in
Speaker 3: private collections and museums and state libraries and whatnot. In fact,
Speaker 3: his collection was the most comprehensive collection in the world.
Speaker 3: And that's all that my dad owned. So we So
Speaker 3: Mum died when we were young. So dad had three
Speaker 3: kids to raise. So he flipped houses by day and
Speaker 3: renovated houses, and by night he'd write books. And he
Speaker 3: believed firmly that that TV was a narcotic for the masses.
Speaker 3: And and he brought me up. He was, you know,
Speaker 3: I kind of thought he was as I was growing up.
Speaker 3: I thought he was a bit of an intellectual snob.
Speaker 3: But he wasn't. He was an every man as well.
Speaker 3: So I grew up in this kind of house which
Speaker 3: was kind of weird and musty and smelly, you know.
Speaker 3: And the only real sound we had in the house
Speaker 3: was his typewriter and a bit of ABC News on
Speaker 3: the wireless. So you know that dn't that's the same
Speaker 3: under my youth. No Predator, no, no, no, no Arnie,
Speaker 3: no Bruce Willis, no die Hard, no sign Fell, no
Speaker 3: no what's that show with those no Simpsons. I'll never
Speaker 3: forget when the Simpsons came out and every I was
Speaker 3: just excluded from so many conversations socially growing up because
Speaker 3: I was the weird book kid that no Firstly, no
Speaker 3: one wanted to come to my house because it wasn't
Speaker 3: very interesting to them, and it was kind of musty
Speaker 3: and kind of a bit. We didn't have a lot
Speaker 3: of money. It was kind of you know, it was
Speaker 3: we didn't have and all the other houses they had
Speaker 3: like TVs and they were clean and they had vacuum
Speaker 3: cleaners and things like that. Yeah, tarries. So so I
Speaker 3: feel like I've been catching up ever since. And so
Speaker 3: as soon as I grew as soon as I grew
Speaker 3: old enough, I started collecting DVDs really avidly. And that's
Speaker 3: when my love of film really kind of started burgeoning.
Speaker 3: Was as soon as I'd left home and was able
Speaker 3: to go to jp Ifi and blow a thousand bucks
Speaker 3: of that Secret Life of Us money on DVDs. You know,
Speaker 3: I mean so, so I kind of overcompensated. You know,
Speaker 3: it's pretty easy to you know, you know, when you
Speaker 3: don't have something, when you're a kid and you overcompensate.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of sugar in my cupboard, and there's
Speaker 3: you know, there's certainly a really huge film film collection now.
Speaker 3: And I don't know how I missed it, but but
Speaker 3: I think I might have missed it, Pete, because because
Speaker 3: I saw one of those scary films and it freaked
Speaker 3: me out. I think it was like a poulter Geist thing.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It was something like poulter Geist. Over to sleepover, didn't cope,
Speaker 3: did not cope. It was super scary.
Speaker 1: And I sh show guys that sleepovers parents.
Speaker 3: Oh man man or was that chucky one?
Speaker 5: Is that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was one of those ones. And and so
Speaker 3: ever since then, ever since that scary sleepover, I've avoided
Speaker 3: horror films. And I thought Predator was a horror film
Speaker 3: when really it's an action horror film. And I'm so
Speaker 3: glad that I went back to it because it's not
Speaker 3: at all what I preconceived it to be.
Speaker 2: I have I realized I haven't seen the film before,
Speaker 2: and I have a way less you haven't, no, no,
Speaker 2: And I have a way that is excuses not to
Speaker 2: have seen a film, because you know you'll be brought
Speaker 2: up in books. One an amazing experience that you can
Speaker 2: probably appreciate it more in retrospect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can appreciate it now. At the time, I
Speaker 3: was like, what about fucking predator man, you know, come
Speaker 3: on watch anything. Yeah, I'm sick of trivial pursuit.
Speaker 1: And bloody squatter. We haven't got a monopoly. We have squatter.
Speaker 3: The most exciting part of my life was that dice
Speaker 3: in that ball that you pressed and it popped.
Speaker 1: Oh, bugle was a bugle?
Speaker 3: No, no, buggle had the whole case where you shake
Speaker 3: up the domes in the middle where. Yes, that was
Speaker 3: literally the most exciting aspect of my life growing up.
Speaker 1: Trouble Trouble, Trouble, Well, that is great.
Speaker 2: My reason for not seeing it is I think because
Speaker 2: I was always been a massive consumer of pop culture
Speaker 2: from the get go, and I think at the time
Speaker 2: I was more interested in the action comedies that were
Speaker 2: happening at the time.
Speaker 1: So such a Beverly Hills car, yes, of course, you
Speaker 1: Tango and Cash yes, and Cash was Gray yes.
Speaker 2: Sylvesterster Loon and Kurt Russell, you know, so those I
Speaker 2: think Beverly Hills Cop two came out maybe the year
Speaker 2: this was This was maybe eighty seven, so I was
Speaker 2: just more prone to seeing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, those those kind of popcorn action films that, yeah,
Speaker 3: they were funny, usually had they usually had some kind
Speaker 3: of biracial thing going on, like like with the Diet
Speaker 3: but what was it called the Diet die Hard, which
Speaker 3: was the one where where he had mel Gibson the
Speaker 3: weapons and around that time.
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, it's huge, absolutely huge. So I think I
Speaker 2: was just more interested than that. I think he saw
Speaker 2: actually Terminator after I had seen this. I hadn't seen Commando,
Speaker 2: which so I think I had seen. So Arnie makes
Speaker 2: his film debut in about eighty one eighty two in
Speaker 2: Cone and the Barbarian in the Cone of the Destroyer,
Speaker 2: and then I think he makes the Commando, and then
Speaker 2: I think he makes and then then I think Terminators.
Speaker 1: There terminating commandoretor yes, and then no.
Speaker 3: Way really yes, watching Predator, it seems like it was
Speaker 3: made before Terminator.
Speaker 2: No, it's Terminators like closer to eighty four, I think, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: so this is eighty seven. So so Arnie was getting
Speaker 2: his getting his you know, he was becoming, he was
Speaker 2: he was a star after Terminator. He's probably a star
Speaker 2: after Conan. The Conan films, and then and then well.
Speaker 3: It was his breakthrough thing. But he wasn't a household,
Speaker 3: was he.
Speaker 2: No, No, and it was not Everyone necessarily saw that
Speaker 2: those films, but then then an acquired taste.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like. I looked back on it and
Speaker 3: wondered what the hell everyone was talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get back to Arnie and we'll talk a
Speaker 2: lot more about Predator soon. It's a little bit to
Speaker 2: get into, but I love your three favorite films, particularly
Speaker 2: Scared by your last one, which will get too soon.
Speaker 2: The other two films, I know we're on Hughes's top
Speaker 2: three films of all time, the Aussie classics, The Castle
Speaker 2: and Chopper.
Speaker 1: So did you have anything to do?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, so no, I'm just a fan. Do you
Speaker 2: remember seeing that? I remember seeing I was at the premiere.
Speaker 2: I waslucky enough to go to the tell me tell
Speaker 2: me about it, and it was in the Rusty Street cinemas.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it was hot. I think it's during
Speaker 2: my memory. It was not during a comedy festival. They
Speaker 2: kind of tired of that. With that, and just to
Speaker 2: be in a in a cinema watching an Aussie film
Speaker 2: of a group that had put this film together who
Speaker 2: we all loved through.
Speaker 1: Did you already know them all? But oh yeah, not personally.
Speaker 1: They've done The Late Show and Frontline, so you're a
Speaker 1: fan massive and DJ and yeah.
Speaker 2: So I was full on into this being a movie
Speaker 2: and I wanted it to be good, so to go
Speaker 2: there and for it to live up to the expectation,
Speaker 2: and for it to be in a cinema, a pack
Speaker 2: cinema of people pissing themselves, laughing all the way through,
Speaker 2: this Australian made film by some of my heroes, was
Speaker 2: just an unbelievable experience.
Speaker 3: I had the same experience. I've only ever been to
Speaker 3: two full cinemas that were fully engaged in the film.
Speaker 3: The first one was the Premiere. The first one was
Speaker 3: the was The Castle, and I think and I remember
Speaker 3: seeing pulp Fiction in a full public cinema. I got
Speaker 3: two seats right up the front where I could barely see.
Speaker 3: And I've only had two visceral experiences in a cinema
Speaker 3: where the audience is totally spellbound by the film. The
Speaker 3: Castle was that I saw it at Southland, I think
Speaker 3: village cinemas in Southland. It was packed. I was on
Speaker 3: my own I'm a big believer in going to see
Speaker 3: films on your own and and I'll never forget how
Speaker 3: fucking hilarious it was and how and how funny everyone
Speaker 3: found it. It was just I've had two unforgettable experiences
Speaker 3: in cinema and the Castle was one of them. I mean,
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe. I couldn't believe it. I was in
Speaker 3: awe of Stephen Curry. He, you know, because he was
Speaker 3: more kind of he was more a comedic actor, and
Speaker 3: I was a comedic actor at the time. I was
Speaker 3: quite kind of a lanky kid. I was getting a
Speaker 3: lot of the kind of comedic, kind of supporting roles
Speaker 3: at the time as an actor. So I looked up
Speaker 3: to Stephen Curry for his comedic acting. Chops, I've still
Speaker 3: not found an Australian actor with better comedic timing.
Speaker 1: He is incredible, He's timing.
Speaker 6: My name is Dale Kerrigan and this is my story
Speaker 6: our family. He lives at three Highview Crescent.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 6: Dad bought this place fifteen years ago for a steal,
Speaker 6: as a real estate agent said location, location, location, and
Speaker 6: we're right next door to the airport.
Speaker 3: It will be very convenient if.
Speaker 6: We ever have to fly one day. Dad still can't
Speaker 6: work out how he got it so cheap. It's worth
Speaker 6: almost as much today as when we bought it. Our
Speaker 6: cresent was going to be the heart of a major
Speaker 6: housing development, but it never got up. They reckon the planes,
Speaker 6: put people off them, and the power lines.
Speaker 7: Not Dad.
Speaker 6: He reckons power lines are a reminder of man's ability
Speaker 6: to generate electricity. He's always saying great things like that.
Speaker 6: That's why we love him so much.
Speaker 2: He's performance and I've spoken with him now a couple
Speaker 2: of times about his performance in the Castle.
Speaker 1: It's just.
Speaker 2: Underrateds weird termed because people fully appreciateability.
Speaker 3: It's not that it's underrated, it's that it's so good
Speaker 3: it's invisible. Yeah, Like really, only people like you whose
Speaker 3: job it is to understand comic timing are going to
Speaker 3: look at Stephen Curry and understand just why he's as
Speaker 3: funny as he is. I mean, everyone knows that they
Speaker 3: love him, Yeah, I mean, but but you know, for
Speaker 3: boffins like Gus that are in the game, we know why.
Speaker 3: And yes, delivery counts, yes facial expressions count. But if
Speaker 3: you don't get your timing right, the whole thing falls
Speaker 3: to pieces. So I look, he calls it pretend he's acting.
Speaker 3: He calls acting pretendees. And I love his attitude. And
Speaker 3: I'm still just such a massive Stephen Curry fan. I
Speaker 3: did an episode of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire
Speaker 3: with him and his brother recently, and I still can't
Speaker 3: behave normally around him, Like, yeah, I still have just
Speaker 3: got this kind of what do you call it when
Speaker 3: you get star like starstruck? Yeah, I still get starstruck
Speaker 3: by him when I'm around him. It's kind of kind
Speaker 3: of a bit weird. I don't like it when I
Speaker 3: changed the way I am because someone else is there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that really bothers me.
Speaker 1: I love a word. I'm a good friend of cousins.
Speaker 1: I'll have a word until the knock it off.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Well, I mean the thing is, he's just
Speaker 3: so brilliant. Yeah, and he's so good to be around.
Speaker 3: And yeah, whenever I'm around people like that, the echoes
Speaker 3: of all of the bad decisions I've made in my
Speaker 3: life just become louder.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: It's a weird and unfortunate thing. He would get that
Speaker 1: to feel when you yes, but.
Speaker 3: There's someone you've got someone I want to know who
Speaker 3: it is where you just feel impotent around them. You
Speaker 3: feel like, no, I'm not even funny.
Speaker 2: Well, so, yeah, we just finished shooting the third series
Speaker 2: of How To Stay Married and I'm working across from
Speaker 2: Lisa mcewn as my screen partner, and I feel it
Speaker 2: within scenes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm watching her getting cream and I wrote.
Speaker 3: This, well, she's a continent, she's the continent performer as well.
Speaker 3: I mean I feel I feel a bit weird around
Speaker 3: Lisa as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah her craft, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It's people who have dominated their aspect of the craft
Speaker 3: that intimidate me. It's kind of there's levels to this game,
Speaker 3: you know. And and I'm so glad to have lost
Speaker 3: so many roles to Stephen Curry. There's no bitterness, there's nothing,
Speaker 3: there's just well, I can't get that role, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, Tim Minchin feels like I stole
Speaker 3: all his roles. And that's why he went into musical
Speaker 3: comedy because he wanted to be an actor, but he
Speaker 3: just couldn't get a roll off me. I think, yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: and yes, yes, yeah, Stephen Curry took all of mine.
Speaker 3: That's that's for sure. That's for sure.
Speaker 2: That is funny yeah, the the acting nemesiss Yeah right, Well,
Speaker 2: but the thing is you end up I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean I'm not embedded at all.
Speaker 3: I mean I think I think it's a miracle that
Speaker 3: I've been able to get the work that I could get.
Speaker 3: But it's really important to have those people to measure
Speaker 3: measure yourself against. Yeah, And that's that's what drives you
Speaker 3: to work harder. That's what drives you to be funnier.
Speaker 3: It's these people around you, you know. And you know,
Speaker 3: what do they say, a rising tide lifts or ships?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you find like because when I because
Speaker 2: how to say, married is a spin off, it's a date.
Speaker 2: So we kind of matched people up and uh, you
Speaker 2: know it actors up and said you who you work with?
Speaker 2: And then when it was my episode, and obviously I
Speaker 2: was writing and I was producing it, you know, I said,
Speaker 2: producers and some writers, who should I pair up with?
Speaker 2: And I said, oh, I said, I said, let's find
Speaker 2: somebody who hasn't acted a whole bunch, you know, so
Speaker 2: I don't get blown out of blown off the blae screen.
Speaker 3: You know, so if you had have picked the best actor,
Speaker 3: they would have lifted you.
Speaker 1: Well, this is what I've learned. This is what I've learned.
Speaker 3: You're only as good as the person opposite, so you're
Speaker 3: probably ship.
Speaker 1: This is the yes, I'm well, I'm truly aware. So
Speaker 1: what I've learned, though, is exactly that to you that
Speaker 1: because we offered it to somebody who would have been amazing,
Speaker 1: and but they were new to acting, they working on
Speaker 1: another side of the arts, and they couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: And so somebody said, well, at least should be amazing,
Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, but I mean and then
Speaker 2: and she left me right and we met with her,
Speaker 2: and as soon as I met her over the years
Speaker 2: in interviews and stuff, and I knew she was funny
Speaker 2: because Sean mckayliff had told me that he with her,
Speaker 2: and I said.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's let's let's do it. I just went, okay,
Speaker 1: let's do it.
Speaker 2: Let's whatever happens happens, and it works, and you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: And I got to make a movie with evanste Hoofskin,
Speaker 2: Brendan cal And Dinklage and Briandy Carter be tramcmart and
Speaker 2: to be in scenes with them and Katrina Malazovich.
Speaker 3: But they're all those names they're legit.
Speaker 1: They are, Yeah, they're legit. Yes, so, and you kind
Speaker 1: of realized.
Speaker 3: They might not all be household names, but in our
Speaker 3: world they're the kings and queens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, they are huge. And so I've learned.
Speaker 3: Few people have heard of Dnklish.
Speaker 2: Done some stuff since he did small show somewhere. But
Speaker 2: you realize that you're absolutely right. The good actors around
Speaker 2: you do helping him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the same with sport. It's the same with sport.
Speaker 3: You're only as good as your opponent. You know, if
Speaker 3: if whatever you chosen sport, if you're playing someone that's better,
Speaker 3: you should always want to play someone that's better than you,
Speaker 3: because a you can learn off them and be they'll
Speaker 3: lift you. I mean, I've been coat tailing for.
Speaker 2: Years, stealing roles off people. How many roles have you
Speaker 2: taken off?
Speaker 3: Dave?
Speaker 1: Views? Now?
Speaker 3: Oh, I took one pearl. The role in Crackerjack that
Speaker 3: I played. His name was Dave, and Mick malloy wrote
Speaker 3: it for his best mate Dave, and when it came
Speaker 3: to the casting of it, he did a test and
Speaker 3: this is what happened. And I'm pretty sure I've spoken
Speaker 3: to Mick I'm pretty sure this is what happened. I
Speaker 3: was I was a Channel ten boy at the time. Yea,
Speaker 3: because I've just done The Secret Life of Us. Sue
Speaker 3: Masters was the head of drama at ABC and she'd
Speaker 3: just been taken over got a Channel ten Pachter to
Speaker 3: become the head of drama at Channel ten. Channel ten
Speaker 3: paid Mick two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for the
Speaker 3: TV rights to Crack a Jack. His whole budget was
Speaker 3: about six seven hundred thousand, so the Channel ten component
Speaker 3: of the budget was kinda crucial. Sue said to Mick,
Speaker 3: he can't have Dave. He can't act, and I'd acted
Speaker 3: with him on Secret Life of Us and it's true
Speaker 3: he can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he played he played himself.
Speaker 3: He's very good at playing himself. But I still think
Speaker 3: I'm the better person for that role. But I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean, watching Mick and Dave in that film would
Speaker 3: have been like, you know, just watching too heavyweight to
Speaker 3: go out it. I think it would have been great,
Speaker 3: But I'm so glad to have interfered, And Sue said,
Speaker 3: and Sue, as head of drama Channel ten, said, Look,
Speaker 3: it's pretty simple. You've got to put Sam in the
Speaker 3: role or or we're not buying it. Wow, And so
Speaker 3: I was the only actor in his cars that he
Speaker 3: didn't want. I'm rocking up, going this is going to
Speaker 3: be great. I'm with Bill Hunter.
Speaker 8: Malloy.
Speaker 3: I'm going to make a whole bunch of new friends.
Speaker 1: And I'll bet Steve Curry for the role.
Speaker 3: And sure enough, yes, I wasn't Dave Hughes. But I mean,
Speaker 3: look I brought I brought my own thing. Dave would
Speaker 3: have brought his own thing. You know, we were able
Speaker 3: to laugh like men. We were able to have a
Speaker 3: laugh about it, you know, after a good ten years.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the box officeff so thrilled to have pinched.
Speaker 3: One off Dave Hughes, because Dave Hughes he needs something
Speaker 3: taken from him.
Speaker 2: Keeps on saying to me, we filt quite often that
Speaker 2: he keeps on saying, when are you going to write
Speaker 2: me a roll?
Speaker 1: Want this act and get me mate? Like, are you
Speaker 1: prepared to take you know, six weeks off your radio show,
Speaker 1: off your TV show to come and do my show?
Speaker 1: Are you prepared to do that? Yeah? You make I'll
Speaker 1: give you an afternoon.
Speaker 3: You've got a good us. The impression everyone have one like.
Speaker 1: I think everyone ever they thought is the king of
Speaker 1: the Us.
Speaker 3: He is he okay, Chopper, I.
Speaker 2: Was also on to use his list and is an
Speaker 2: extraordinary film.
Speaker 3: It's got my favorite line in a film ever.
Speaker 9: You know, must like me do your Keith your most
Speaker 9: people for no reason, just to make a name for yourself.
Speaker 3: You got fuck it? I'm what a dumb count's piece
Speaker 3: of blood?
Speaker 5: Keith? Right?
Speaker 3: That is single handedly my favorite film line ever because
Speaker 3: it just when I heard it, I was just like
Speaker 3: you didn't like you didn't just I'm not the cunt.
Speaker 3: What's pissing blood? Keathy break that down? Like I'm still
Speaker 3: in awe of that, of whoever was bold enough to
Speaker 3: write that line, still in or of the guy for
Speaker 3: delivering it.
Speaker 1: That's the thing, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I still can't believe that that it's
Speaker 3: an actual line in that film.
Speaker 1: But the right and then have it executed so perfect perfectly.
Speaker 1: It doesn't. It doesn't always happen.
Speaker 3: This is the thing about about Eric Banner. Look, I'll
Speaker 3: be honest, Eric Banner was a was a He was
Speaker 3: a skip guy. He was a skip guy. And I
Speaker 3: was an actor, right, and and and and actors had
Speaker 3: all kinds of hang ups back when I was starting.
Speaker 3: You didn't do soaps, yeah, reality TV? Or that person
Speaker 3: is not an actor. You know, there's all this kind
Speaker 3: of elitism that you grow up with and you don't
Speaker 3: even know it's really happening at the time. But I
Speaker 3: heard that the role was up, I couldn't wait to
Speaker 3: see who they cast. And when I heard the name
Speaker 3: Eric Banner, I just went, what what the skip guy?
Speaker 3: He's a comedian.
Speaker 1: Please read Martin on the.
Speaker 3: I just couldn't see it. Peter and I know, and
Speaker 3: then I mean, I mean hiter and he was just
Speaker 3: so good. I think his performance in that film is
Speaker 3: unrivaled when it comes to any performance in any film.
Speaker 3: I think he's that good. I was an absolutely hot,
Speaker 3: steaming mess when I met him. I mean, he's such
Speaker 3: a nice guy too. Tell me one actor that's performed
Speaker 3: a better role ever in any other film, and I'm
Speaker 3: including I'm including al Pacino in Dog Day Afternoon. I'm
Speaker 3: including Robert de Niro in Taxi Driver. I'm including Robert
Speaker 3: de Niro in Raging Bull. I'm including all of the
Speaker 3: great performances out of all of the great performances in
Speaker 3: all of the great films. Eric Banners Chopper is the
Speaker 3: best performance I have ever witnessed on film.
Speaker 1: It's a really good point.
Speaker 2: I was waiting for you to say best performance in
Speaker 2: an Australian and you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: And sometimes we do. It's funny how we can pick
Speaker 1: and hold ourselves, but you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: Every time I watch it, it's better. Yeah, and I've seen
Speaker 3: it so often his performance. But you know, musos will
Speaker 3: talk about it, Actors will talk about it, Comedians will
Speaker 3: talk about it. When they see a certain comic on
Speaker 3: stage and they don't want to ever write another joke. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're just like, why do I even bother? When you
Speaker 3: when you go and you see that person just doing
Speaker 3: a master class version of whatever has that happened to
Speaker 3: you in comedy where you've seen someone live and gone,
Speaker 3: that's it. I'm never writing another joke again.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I've told people so you may. You
Speaker 1: made me want to quit.
Speaker 3: You make me want to quit. This is what's common
Speaker 3: to our industry is that we're surrounded by We're surrounded
Speaker 3: by a lot of a lot of talented people, but
Speaker 3: then you get those people that rise.
Speaker 2: Above and and but thank god that when you have
Speaker 2: those thoughts like if I want to quit tonight, your
Speaker 2: set was amazing, your performance is amazing. Thank God, there's
Speaker 2: something in their brains the next morning that goes, no,
Speaker 2: I'm now I'm now inspired by that.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: He goes from yes quitting no, you're right in the
Speaker 2: morning becomes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you take that pain and you come out of
Speaker 3: it going, you know what, even if I'm never going
Speaker 3: to be that good, now I know what to aim for.
Speaker 3: And and and I was a comedic actor. I was
Speaker 3: I was kind of, you know, jousting with Stephen Curry
Speaker 3: for roles. And then Eric Banner came in and said,
Speaker 3: new chumps don't know what the fuck comedic acting is.
Speaker 3: Here it is and he showed us. He showed us
Speaker 3: all everybody. Everybody was was prompted to to have a
Speaker 3: moment of self reflection and to work out how they
Speaker 3: were going to come back after that. And I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm you can you can you can see now in
Speaker 3: my face. I'm just still stupefied by the level. And
Speaker 3: I dare say if I didn't see him play Chopper
Speaker 3: so well, because I'd met Chopper, so I kind of
Speaker 3: felt like I had a handle on kind of how
Speaker 3: he held himself, and and then and then when I
Speaker 3: saw what Eric did, I wanted to quit. But then when,
Speaker 3: when when my chance to play Molly Meldrum came up?
Speaker 3: And I'm not suggesting for a minute that I came
Speaker 3: as close to Molly as he did to Chopper, not
Speaker 3: at all. I did four percent, four percent of what
Speaker 3: he did, regardless, regardless, he gave me the courage, right
Speaker 3: knowing watching what Eric did to Chop, it gave me
Speaker 3: the courage to at least try to do Molly.
Speaker 2: Because such a similar area, in weirdly in a way
Speaker 2: very similar, you are playing such an iconic and really
Speaker 2: still visible member of society was still alive when Eric
Speaker 2: was Chopper. Yeah, which must be daunting. Yeah, at least
Speaker 2: you know Molly's probably not going to come around.
Speaker 3: With Yeah, he wouldn't get fast.
Speaker 2: I hope he hasn't come around with a ladder. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that must have brought all kinds of anxiety
Speaker 2: leading into Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: I think I understood I was just doing a little tellymovie.
Speaker 3: If I was doing a doing a proper film made
Speaker 3: by the same kind of filmmakers, it would have been
Speaker 3: a very different Moldie that I would have given.
Speaker 2: But I knew that because it's Andrew Dominic's, I think,
Speaker 2: first film. He doesn't know it's it's you know, before
Speaker 2: a film's released, as you know, you don't know what
Speaker 2: it is, you know. So they're making this little film
Speaker 2: at Pentridge in Coburg and there's some good actors as.
Speaker 3: Well, Simon Dan Wiley, you know, I mean, you've got,
Speaker 3: You've got. That's the thing. Everybody lifted for that. And
Speaker 3: I'd studied that. I'd studied the period because I was
Speaker 3: writing a film based based on the same period of
Speaker 3: time called The Van Go Club, which was about that
Speaker 3: whole gang when they grew up as boys in the
Speaker 3: Toronto Youth Center and they all ended up in h
Speaker 3: Division in Pentridge together and they Chopper wasn't the only
Speaker 3: one to cut his zero off. There are whole bunch
Speaker 3: of them that did it. I named the trench Coat
Speaker 3: Gang or the Overcoat Gang or the Van Go Club.
Speaker 3: And so i'd studied that period for a few years.
Speaker 3: When Chopper came out, when I found out it was
Speaker 3: devot because my film was in development and based around
Speaker 3: all the same stuff. So when I ended up seeing
Speaker 3: it I was just like, I was, just like every
Speaker 3: piece of research that I'd done about that period, because
Speaker 3: I had a first cousin in jail with all of
Speaker 3: those guys at the same time, and I literally had
Speaker 3: a mountain of research and I've done maybe three or
Speaker 3: four years work on that specific period. And when I saw,
Speaker 3: when I saw what Dominique had done with his realization
Speaker 3: of that film, how he'd cast it, the performances, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean even even you know, what's his name, the
Speaker 3: guy that's in the oak milk ads, he's amazing Field,
Speaker 3: David Field, you know, you fucking blowfly. You know, like
Speaker 3: even him with.
Speaker 2: One of my favorites, he said, every night, every night. No,
Speaker 2: I haven't, oh man, that is an amazing film. I've
Speaker 2: got a David Field story for you.
Speaker 3: I'm in the middle of the desert, unicycling through the
Speaker 3: middle of fucking nowhere, and and I run into, run into.
Speaker 1: Run David Field shooting and commersion.
Speaker 3: I run into David Field shooting something with guy appears
Speaker 3: he's doing a Dave Me Show film up there in
Speaker 3: the middle of nowhere, literally in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 3: I'm riding a unicycle through a desert and I find
Speaker 3: him and we got on the vodka and he took
Speaker 3: me out to the edge of the desert at about
Speaker 3: about sunrise, and I had another hundred k's to do
Speaker 3: on the unicycle.
Speaker 1: That I imagine you don't want to be hungover, and.
Speaker 3: He took There were lots of I rode off a
Speaker 3: lot of hangovers on that unicycle. We're in Australia, people
Speaker 3: off of your drinks for your good efforts, and it's
Speaker 3: rude to say no. And anyway, took me to the
Speaker 3: edge of the desert in the middle of nowhere and he.
Speaker 9: Said, Sammy, look out there, look out there, have a
Speaker 9: good look.
Speaker 3: And I went, yeah, yeah, I've been I've been looking
Speaker 3: at this for eleven point four ks an now for
Speaker 3: the last four months, mate, And you know I can yeah,
Speaker 3: I see you. And he's like, n nah, nah, look mate,
Speaker 3: have a look. What do you see? What do you see? Semi?
Speaker 3: He's so intense and I'm like, oh, I see just
Speaker 3: like you know, shrubbery, shrubbery, shrubbery, that's what I say,
Speaker 3: is it?
Speaker 9: No, Sam, it's a fucking supermarket. I've seen a supermarket.
Speaker 3: He goes, it's.
Speaker 9: Aldie, It's Carl's it's all worse and more said, you're
Speaker 9: not looking at it right, mate. You got to look
Speaker 9: at it like the Blackfellows.
Speaker 3: It's a supermarket.
Speaker 9: Everything you could want to eat is in that shrubbery.
Speaker 3: So you just see shrubbery, mate, I see a supermarket.
Speaker 3: And I've looked at the bush differently ever since I
Speaker 3: had that moment with him, because all I saw was
Speaker 3: like bracken and tumbleweed. But apparently there was Apparently it
Speaker 3: was much more bountiful than mine. My eyes suggested. I
Speaker 3: was a bit wobbly on the unicycle the next day.
Speaker 2: That is, That is brilliant, and I'm glad you mentioned
Speaker 2: this next film. I mean hoping somebody even nominates it
Speaker 2: as a film I haven't seen, or at least nominated
Speaker 2: as one.
Speaker 1: Of their favorite films.
Speaker 2: Apocalypt though, is one of the I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: it's because of Mel Gibson's involvement a lot of but
Speaker 2: I think this didn't give it a chance, but it
Speaker 2: is one of It is a brilliant, brilliant film.
Speaker 3: It is universal and compelling and doesn't need English. It
Speaker 3: got me. It got me that film because you wonder
Speaker 3: what would I do in that position? There's this young man.
Speaker 3: He's in the middle of the forest. He's his tribe's happy,
Speaker 3: he's fulfilling his role. He's got a baby on the way,
Speaker 3: or maybe maybe one or one on one on the way,
Speaker 3: or I got a couple of kids. He's trying to
Speaker 3: be good. He's trying to be a good man. And
Speaker 3: so so as a young man, when I was watching it,
Speaker 3: I was trying to relate to that. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: trying to put trying to put put them one foot
Speaker 3: in front of the other and do the right thing.
Speaker 3: And then their their their tribe just gets mauled by
Speaker 3: this other larger tribe. And his wife ends up in
Speaker 3: a hole in a hole, like trapped in this big
Speaker 3: hole that she can't get out of. And he and
Speaker 3: he gets but you know it becomes a slave and
Speaker 3: gets taken off to do this backbreaking work in some mind,
Speaker 3: you know, forever away, and he's got to get back
Speaker 3: to his wife who's stuck in a hole with the baby,
Speaker 3: and and it just raises the question, how would you
Speaker 3: go for your family? And you know, as a guy
Speaker 3: that did sixteen thousand k's on a unicycle for his sister,
Speaker 3: I I'm really into that, how into that kind of
Speaker 3: prove prove yourself to your family, Like I've done nothing
Speaker 3: but try to improve myself to my family in my life.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to impress myself. I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: do anything other than than try and get my family
Speaker 3: to love me. And and I had a complex relationship
Speaker 3: with my sister, and that sixteen thousand kilometers on a
Speaker 3: unicycle certainly took care of that. And and you know,
Speaker 3: I managed to prove I managed to prove that there's
Speaker 3: nothing more important. I mean, I don't and have kids,
Speaker 3: so far a beat from me to be the one
Speaker 3: rabbiting on about family. But if I did have a kid,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't cope. I'm forty three and I want nothing
Speaker 3: more than to have a kid. But I can't even
Speaker 3: bear the thought of it. I can't even bear the
Speaker 3: thought of it. How would I protect it? Like every
Speaker 3: every day just living in fear of that child coming
Speaker 3: to harm, And it just bothers me so greatly that
Speaker 3: I can't become a dad because I'm so scared of
Speaker 3: a child that's not even born yet. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: if I'm this scared now, how scared would I be
Speaker 3: if I actually had one, And you know, so family
Speaker 3: is kind of all.
Speaker 2: That fear doesn't go away when you have kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think you learned to live.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we're possibly built differently, and we're
Speaker 2: all built differently. But what I have found, like I
Speaker 2: find myself, I was going down that little rabbit hole
Speaker 2: in my head and going what if what if this happens?
Speaker 1: Happened, and it's a petrifying place to go.
Speaker 2: So I need to kind of snap out of it
Speaker 2: and remind myself, you know, this is life. This is
Speaker 2: you know, You've raised give them the best job you
Speaker 2: can and you're still protecting them, you know, but they
Speaker 2: are getting older and they and anything can happen to
Speaker 2: any of us at any time.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 1: So it is life. Life is there to be lived.
Speaker 1: It is, but you do learn to compartmentalize that Fearn't.
Speaker 3: What an idiot that would let fears stop him from
Speaker 3: doing something that's so wonderful, you know. I mean, I've
Speaker 3: done three hundred school visits considering what you've done, and
Speaker 3: you know, I've spent my life with kids. For the
Speaker 3: last ten years, I've been visiting schools and I've run
Speaker 3: treasure hunts with five hundred kids, you know, just to
Speaker 3: give the parents a break come back three hours later,
Speaker 3: you know. And I've got a lot of kids in
Speaker 3: my life. I've I'm a stepdad to some and a
Speaker 3: surrogate dad to others. And you know, I've had kids
Speaker 3: in my life. I got of my nephew when I
Speaker 3: was eighteen, you know, So I've been bringing up I've
Speaker 3: been helping kids out the whole time. But but but
Speaker 3: what but that film, that film is why I don't
Speaker 3: that that guy knowing that he's that he the love
Speaker 3: of his life is in a hole and he's chained
Speaker 3: to a whole bunch of other slaves. How do I
Speaker 3: get out of these chains? The thought of that, like
Speaker 3: even just talking about it, about a fictional character in
Speaker 3: a film that's in that position, is giving me the
Speaker 3: heb gbis that that film was such a sick film
Speaker 3: to watch for me, because I just don't know how
Speaker 3: he would have bared it. And and and then he
Speaker 3: fights his way out and he finds her, and he
Speaker 3: gets her because because that's his family, and and oh
Speaker 3: my god, it's just.
Speaker 1: Like it's I really don't let apocalypt though stop. You
Speaker 1: from having kids. Just don't go to South America. Just
Speaker 1: don't go to that part of the world.
Speaker 2: But if you haven't seen it, really give it a chance,
Speaker 2: a chance, give it a chance. When you bump into
Speaker 2: somebody who has seen Apocalypto, I think everyone loves it.
Speaker 2: Who's who's who's seen it or who you know wants
Speaker 2: to talk about still And it's and it's it's it's
Speaker 2: all that stuff he's built into it. And even if
Speaker 2: you take that stuff away, it is it is just
Speaker 2: a brilliant Chase film.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and a love story, you know, it's it's, it's,
Speaker 3: it's it's Shakespearean in its epics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's. It's Mel Gibson's best directive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And and he's a genius, you
Speaker 3: know whatever he is, you know, personal mistakes or whatever
Speaker 3: he's done. I mean, I'm not I'm not the one
Speaker 3: to judge that. I'm here to talk about his films,
Speaker 3: and and and he's an insanely talented director. He is
Speaker 3: wasted as an actor. He is born to tell these
Speaker 3: stories from behind the camera. And I'm so glad that
Speaker 3: he realized that. And I'm so glad that he made
Speaker 3: the move because actings are limited.
Speaker 2: A limited thing around eighty seven now gives it was
Speaker 2: making Leath the weapon. We're going to talk about a
Speaker 2: film now from around that time. Predator is the film
Speaker 2: we're actually here to talk about. We've already have a
Speaker 2: lot of territory already. But let's have a word from
Speaker 2: our sponsor. Mate, What did you think?
Speaker 3: I liked it? Yeah, I really liked it. The stakes
Speaker 3: were up from the start. You know, the number one
Speaker 3: rule of storytelling is that the stakes must be up,
Speaker 3: you know, the number one you know, I learned this
Speaker 3: when I wrote a film and screen Australia gave me
Speaker 3: an American film script editor that had edited Pirates of
Speaker 3: the Caribbean, Shrek and I am legend. So I worked
Speaker 3: with a script editor from Hollywood and he's the guy
Speaker 3: that taught me that that your lead character must be
Speaker 3: facing seemingly insurmount of odds. And that's the number one
Speaker 3: rule of the number one rule of storytelling is conflict
Speaker 3: and seemingly insurmountable odds. They're they're two things that you're
Speaker 3: not going to really tell a story. You're not going
Speaker 3: to tell a story that people are going to want
Speaker 3: to see unless the stakes are up, and which is
Speaker 3: why are you're constantly getting directors coming and trying to
Speaker 3: kind of raise the stakes with their actors. You don't
Speaker 3: want your actor to seem too casual. You know, if
Speaker 3: the actor is in a mall and they've lost their kid,
Speaker 3: then you need that moment of panic that a parent feels.
Speaker 3: You need to go there and maybe even further and
Speaker 3: flesh that out. So I was really impressed with the stakes.
Speaker 3: I felt like like it mattered, like they weren't just
Speaker 3: flying in for something. They were a team. I thought
Speaker 3: that the director did well to kind of to drop
Speaker 3: in on something that was already happening, and I didn't
Speaker 3: feel like this was just the actors getting together and
Speaker 3: starting the story. I felt like they'd worked their backstory.
Speaker 3: I felt like the characters knew who they were in
Speaker 3: relation to each other. And even though it's just kind
Speaker 3: of a you know, it's got elements of just being
Speaker 3: a slot kind of action horror film, I can see
Speaker 3: why why it achieved kind of cult status. Arnie's acting
Speaker 3: in it is really good. It's much better than in
Speaker 3: a lot of his other work. I don't know what
Speaker 3: it is about this director, but this director seemed to
Speaker 3: pull out an intensity from him that I enjoyed. It's
Speaker 3: very easy for me when I'm watching an Arnie film
Speaker 3: to to to not be in it. You know, you
Speaker 3: need those great actors for you to stay in the film.
Speaker 3: And Arnie Arnie is so terrible that that it's hard
Speaker 3: to kind of that it's hard to kind of get
Speaker 3: involved on an emotional level or to be invested in
Speaker 3: his character. I usually don't give it, give it, give
Speaker 3: it to him what happens to him, because I don't
Speaker 3: just because he's acting is fairly and authentic, so I
Speaker 3: don't want to engage in a real level.
Speaker 1: Or really I thought a lot about Arnie as I
Speaker 1: was watching this film, and this asked myself, why or
Speaker 1: why what is it? Why? Why have we all fallen
Speaker 1: in love with acting? It's not his acting?
Speaker 2: And I and I wonder because it's interesting because I
Speaker 2: found that the start kind of tough. I agree to
Speaker 2: some of the stuff you're saying, but I also felt like,
Speaker 2: I there's no and then you know, you know, if
Speaker 2: you're doing a rewrite on this, you know somebody said
Speaker 2: let's do another version of this, or if you're making
Speaker 2: it now, you know you'd be tempted to. I'm sure
Speaker 2: somebody a producer would say, or a script out that
Speaker 2: would say, can.
Speaker 1: We put some emotional steaks in it for these For
Speaker 1: these men, we.
Speaker 2: Don't know anything about their personal lives, which is kind
Speaker 2: of fine because they're a kind of commando kind of
Speaker 2: squad and you know, but there's no and this is
Speaker 2: the stocky The stocky version would be, you know, seeing
Speaker 2: Arnie's family, you know, what's waiting for him at home?
Speaker 2: What what are the emotional steaks in it for Dutch
Speaker 2: played by Arnie, who is actually Austrian in real life.
Speaker 3: Anyway, someone was taking the piss there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did worry for a while, Like I didn't
Speaker 1: like any of these characters for a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not. They're not They're not likable.
Speaker 1: You're right.
Speaker 3: From you. I mean, we're coming from films where our
Speaker 3: characters are likable in our films.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and and that's one of the things that
Speaker 2: you know, like and sometimes it gives me the ships
Speaker 2: where you heard just say they need.
Speaker 1: To be likable. They don't always need to be likable.
Speaker 1: They need to be interesting, relatable and then it'll be interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we all loved it was Tony Soprano likable. Maybe not initially,
Speaker 1: you know, we grew to like him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If they're fascinating, that's enough, exactly. Yeah. But I'm not
Speaker 1: even story if they were even fascinating to me, they
Speaker 1: just kind of, uh, you know.
Speaker 3: That's what the film's missing. Yeah, and and and it's
Speaker 3: it's missing that humanness.
Speaker 1: The first bit of human humanity for me that came
Speaker 1: into the film was when I think Jesse Ventura gets
Speaker 1: killed and Matt says, not's coming near this place with
Speaker 1: that ship and on some I guess Urgent mag he
Speaker 1: was a good soldier.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 8: My friend.
Speaker 1: And that was the first bit of emotion or humanity.
Speaker 3: That's great dialogue. Yeah, that's great dialogue. Even even bad
Speaker 3: actors could make you feel with those two lines. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's good writing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did find it hard to emotionally invest. I felt
Speaker 3: like I was. But what did get me, and this
Speaker 3: is where I think it kind of makes up for
Speaker 3: it a bit, is how how sparing the director chose
Speaker 3: to be about this phantom kind of nemesis, this this predator.
Speaker 3: The fact that I didn't see the predator for so
Speaker 3: long was really effective.
Speaker 1: Did you find it.
Speaker 2: I found it infinitely better when the Predator was in
Speaker 2: his kind of chameleon state as opposed to when we
Speaker 2: started him same because when I saw him it was like,
Speaker 2: you look like you've jumped off the set of the
Speaker 2: mass singer.
Speaker 3: Yep, it could be.
Speaker 2: So I loved And I do wonder if the lessons
Speaker 2: they learned from Jaws as far as holding off when
Speaker 2: we see this this the shark, which was actually we've
Speaker 2: spoken about this episode of Silly Pecola that was all
Speaker 2: a production the shark. The shark was actually supposed to
Speaker 2: be in the film earlier. It ended up being a
Speaker 2: bit of a shit shark.
Speaker 3: But it's the same effect. It is exactly the same effect,
Speaker 3: the less is more effect, I mean, and it's not
Speaker 3: a rule that's used or embraced a lot in Australia,
Speaker 3: and in Australia we're terrified of you know, we have
Speaker 3: to spell it all out in Australia. I think the
Speaker 3: less is more things really powerful. And and and also
Speaker 3: they had the po V of the Predator which was
Speaker 3: this kind of like heat It was like a heat
Speaker 3: vision thing, like like you imagine special ops people would
Speaker 3: use when they're looking through buildings to look for people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you're so. I thought. I thought the POV that
Speaker 3: they used was really interesting. And then when an and
Speaker 3: then when the and when the predator was chameleonic ie
Speaker 3: kind of silvery and sea through that that was great.
Speaker 3: And then when I caught flashes of him, it was
Speaker 3: very interesting. But I would have been fine if I
Speaker 3: never did. Yeah, and so I thought, I thought, I
Speaker 3: thought it was really well crafted for what it was,
Speaker 3: because what it is is quite a simple story and.
Speaker 1: The hunters becoming the hunters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly. But for some reason I cared and
Speaker 3: I can't work out why.
Speaker 2: The film jumped expositionally from me, like it went. It
Speaker 2: went from being okay, I'm not sure if I like
Speaker 2: any of these characters. When the Predator gets there, you're
Speaker 2: in and for a while, I'm like, can the predator
Speaker 2: police come and kill these soldiers please? I wonder when
Speaker 2: this film is made in nine to eighty seven, we're
Speaker 2: just kind of trained to go wei barrack for the
Speaker 2: Americans in every situation. When you watch it in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one and you've got these you know, we know
Speaker 2: a lot more about the American military and sometimes is
Speaker 2: in their agendas.
Speaker 1: It's not enough to go we are on your side now.
Speaker 1: And that's why I found I think.
Speaker 2: If I was watching it as a twelve year old
Speaker 2: in eighty seven, I'd be like, full, I'm with Arnie,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm with a polo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's getting this done.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When you're watching it now, I'm like, yeah, I must.
Speaker 2: I think your mission might be a little bit nefarious
Speaker 2: and your reasons maybe, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think in twenty twenty one, patriotism
Speaker 3: is different. Yeah, it's we've kind of we're not We're
Speaker 3: not quite so simplistic now, are we. No. I mean,
Speaker 3: we used to be kind of blind in our allegiances.
Speaker 3: But what with the proliferation of public knowledge and kind
Speaker 3: of you know, and and now that the media is
Speaker 3: kind of diversified to the point where we can get
Speaker 3: so many different perspectives that that that it's no longer
Speaker 3: it's no longer you're no longer guaranteed just to wave
Speaker 3: the flag.
Speaker 1: No, No, that's a good point.
Speaker 3: And and and I wasn't rooting for them, per se,
Speaker 3: And I would have been fine if they had got mangled. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and most of them did get mangled anyway. They didn't.
Speaker 2: But what I did find was, eventually, I think because
Speaker 2: the Predator was so barbaric in their deaths, even though
Speaker 2: mate I didn't particularly take or warm to many of
Speaker 2: their special co op commandos, that I.
Speaker 1: Found myself wanting Arnie to win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did too. For some reason. I saw,
Speaker 3: I saw an Arnie I wasn't used to do in
Speaker 3: this film.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he's better in this film than I've
Speaker 1: seen here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I thought. I thought the makeup was really
Speaker 3: good as well, and I thought the intensity was really good.
Speaker 3: He's never looked better, and I don't think he's ever
Speaker 3: acted better. I don't know what it is about that group,
Speaker 3: or maybe he just kind of belongs in a jungle
Speaker 3: with a weapon and the team. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: but definitely definitely found myself kind of rooting for Arnie
Speaker 3: and and for the and for the female character. I
Speaker 3: can't remember her name. I didn't really, I wasn't so
Speaker 3: invested that I knew all the names of everyone, and like,
Speaker 3: I forgot a lot of it as soon as I've
Speaker 3: seen it, and and at one point I may have
Speaker 3: had a Nana napp.
Speaker 2: There was there was Billy, who I'm not completely sure
Speaker 2: if he was. He was a Native American character, and
Speaker 2: I may miss a reference to him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he definitely was presented that way for sure, because
Speaker 3: he was the trackers.
Speaker 2: Because originally that's right, because originally he was. This idea
Speaker 2: for the story was the lead was going to be
Speaker 2: a Native American Indian and he was, you know, he
Speaker 2: was going to be the one taking the predator on,
Speaker 2: which I find is a fascinating idea like that's I thought.
Speaker 3: I thought that that thread was probably the most interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean, I loved the way he took off all
Speaker 3: these weapons and went to face the predator mano a mano,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, whereas, of course, you know, Arnold's
Speaker 3: taken all the all the all the guns and all
Speaker 3: the bullets.
Speaker 1: And when he said I'm scared. Mmmm, that was that
Speaker 1: was another moment.
Speaker 3: Can mask Let's get the riga. She says, the same
Speaker 3: fucking thing, the jungle that came alive and took him.
Speaker 3: H Billy, you know something for what is it? I'm
Speaker 3: scared Butcher, boh shit, you ain't afraid of no man.
Speaker 5: There's something out there waiting for us, and it ain't no, man,
Speaker 5: were all there. That's losing it.
Speaker 1: Losing is cool. There's nothing but a couple of guys
Speaker 1: running around out there, and we got to take him down.
Speaker 3: You still don't understand it telling to you whatever it
Speaker 3: is out there killed Hopper and now it wants us.
Speaker 2: Because again it's it's mistakes, isn't it's these even these
Speaker 2: special commanders, they know they're in a they're in a
Speaker 2: hell hole here, man.
Speaker 3: I mean when they find the team that was in
Speaker 3: there previously skinned hanging from the trees, the stakes go
Speaker 3: up again. I mean, it's not that's the other thing.
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of got a nice horror element in
Speaker 3: terms of the you know, you know, limbs, limbs.
Speaker 2: And imagine it's more ever petrifying, you know, in eighty seven.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought. If I was watching this back then,
Speaker 3: this would have blown my noodle. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 3: would have just been like, oh my god. You could
Speaker 3: see where it kind of created new ground at the
Speaker 3: time in terms of how graphic it was, how violent
Speaker 3: it was at times. It certainly didn't hold back, but
Speaker 3: we are largely desensitized decades later, and it takes a
Speaker 3: bit more to shock us. These days, however, we're more
Speaker 3: used to CGI shocks rather than kind of special effects shocks,
Speaker 3: and it was good for me to see the makeup
Speaker 3: and the special effects the way it used to be,
Speaker 3: because for me, that's more realistic than CGI. When I mean,
Speaker 3: when I saw and arm get blown off and then
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the stump like, it didn't look CG
Speaker 3: at all. It looked like someone had gotten really fucked up.
Speaker 3: So that made it kind of even though this predator
Speaker 3: thing is so unreal, their injuries were really real. And yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's kind of I didn't quite know where to
Speaker 3: sit with it because you've got to suspend your disbelief
Speaker 3: for this predator character, but then everything else is being
Speaker 3: played on a kind of real level.
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, overall, a bunch of characters that I'm not
Speaker 3: overly invested in, But the director did a good enough
Speaker 3: job keeping the tension up and keep and keeping the
Speaker 3: predator elusive and scary and ghost like for me to
Speaker 3: actually enjoy the film.
Speaker 2: They enjoy getting their guns out, you know that that
Speaker 2: that handshake between a polo and yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: they shot.
Speaker 1: That was that was a fun day.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Yeah, I mean it's one of the iconic moment Arnold'
Speaker 10: org Zendegger the terminator doing a fish but with the
Speaker 10: guns got absolutely flex with a polo crep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and they basically they're doing an arm wrestle
Speaker 3: without a table. Yeah and yeah, I mean, have you
Speaker 3: ever seen his pecks bulge bulge more mightily.
Speaker 1: One of the guys who played Hawkins was Shane Black,
Speaker 1: a screenwriter who wrote the leath of weapon films.
Speaker 3: No Way, Yeah, and he I didn't know.
Speaker 2: He's one of the absolute masters of the comedy action genres.
Speaker 2: He made more recently Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang, the nice guys, Gosling, Yeah,
Speaker 2: iron Man three. I think they brought him in for Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's I think the first one who gets killed. He's
Speaker 2: the one who's really telling those those gags about pussy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Really that didn't age well, No age well, and no
Speaker 3: wonder It's about the only dialogue there is in the
Speaker 3: first half hour forty five minutes too. It's like, man,
Speaker 3: you're going to choose the moments you do have to
Speaker 3: talk to do that? Yeah, And it was and luckily
Speaker 3: the jokes missed in the film and everyone just kind
Speaker 3: of thought, you idiot. Yeah, in that sense, it's aged well,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I didn't quite an, I didn't understand it, obviously,
Speaker 3: I didn't see the humor.
Speaker 2: No, the human kind of misses even I think the
Speaker 2: humor that maybe was either kind of adlid in the
Speaker 2: moment or even one of the most iconic lines is
Speaker 2: get to the chopping, yeah, which is not there's nothing.
Speaker 1: Funny about that line. Apparently the actress who was playing
Speaker 1: Anna kept on pissing herself laughing when Arnie was saying that,
Speaker 1: like because she could not understand the word.
Speaker 2: That he was was just like to keep on keep
Speaker 2: on saying it. There's a line, you know, stick around,
Speaker 2: Arnie kind of does in the machete or whatever, and.
Speaker 1: Stick around, Yeah, that's it's I feel like it's probably
Speaker 1: the start of those arnieisms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, it is. Yeah, stick around and I'll
Speaker 3: be back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be back is obviously, you know, iconic from
Speaker 1: the terminator, but as far.
Speaker 3: As the same same type of thing though, right, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I'll be back is kind of not. There's no humor
Speaker 2: in that. Really, it's almost a statement.
Speaker 3: Of or in us to la vista, nor in stick around.
Speaker 3: I mean, I can see the stick around thing.
Speaker 1: Was it's funny because he's even pale to go idea.
Speaker 3: I kind of I kind of went like, I kind
Speaker 3: of like went like this when I heard it, I
Speaker 3: went it was a bit of a like a kind
Speaker 3: of Grimace.
Speaker 2: This is where it started. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: how much. There's a knock knock references he does knock.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of the best lines I think in the film
Speaker 2: is if it bleeds, we can kill it.
Speaker 1: And that's that's a great line, wonder because.
Speaker 2: It just flows nicely, only delivers it well, but it
Speaker 2: gives it gives you hope.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, if it bleeds, we can kill it.
Speaker 3: That that that was the first time I realized that
Speaker 3: they had a chance. That was the reveal of the
Speaker 3: Achilles bleeds. Okay, well it must be vanquishable. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you've brought out all the lines that I mean, there's
Speaker 3: not a lot of them in the you know, it's
Speaker 3: mostly a bang bang, run, run, climb, climb.
Speaker 2: I mean in the AFL, Lee Matthews was coaching Brisbane
Speaker 2: and Essendon with a powerhouse team at the time and
Speaker 2: it looked like nobody could beat them, and Lee Matthews
Speaker 2: I think said either in a in to his team
Speaker 2: at halftime, or it might have been in a press
Speaker 2: confers or got leaked that he had said it, and
Speaker 2: he quoted Britter than Us saying, if it bleeds, we
Speaker 2: can kill it.
Speaker 3: That well, I mean, and the mantra for journalism way
Speaker 3: back when and now, if it bleeds at leads, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the number one. That's the number one philosophy and journalism.
Speaker 3: That's how you get on the front page. If it
Speaker 3: bleeds at leads. Every newspaper editor has had to obey
Speaker 3: that rule. And that's why that's why we see war
Speaker 3: in the news and not peace, because it doesn't rate.
Speaker 2: I liked that there was a point where you thought,
Speaker 2: because it eventually becomes Arnie.
Speaker 1: Originally the film was going to be just Arnie.
Speaker 2: One of the pictures was just have it as Arnie
Speaker 2: one on one.
Speaker 3: I'm glad it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think who said, now let's do it as
Speaker 1: a as a team, you know, choice from him? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well played Arnie.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have done that.
Speaker 2: It's me from the get go, and I like, you know,
Speaker 2: and then obviously they get killed off. I think I
Speaker 2: mentioned before the predator doesn't arrive until like forty two
Speaker 2: minutes in. Yeah, and and they get killed off quite quickly.
Speaker 2: I was surprised and how quickly it was happening. I thought, Okay,
Speaker 2: there might be more time between kills, and then it's
Speaker 2: just pretty much Arnie and Anna.
Speaker 1: I forget what happened to Anna. I was watched it
Speaker 1: last night, but what she made it?
Speaker 3: To the chopper. She made the.
Speaker 2: Choppers, of course she did, she did. And I like
Speaker 2: the waterfall, you know what it gives you. You know, I
Speaker 2: think when you're when you're making a film like that,
Speaker 2: you're after a different terraine to you know, this is
Speaker 2: almost like we're heading into the third act, if you like.
Speaker 2: And it gives you that, and it also gives you
Speaker 2: a feeling like he's away, he's gotten away. And maybe
Speaker 2: the predator doesn't like water. That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe this is going to be the thing that
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, he uses. And then there's that
Speaker 2: great when he gets to the mard and he kind
Speaker 2: of lies down, he's exhausted, and then you just see
Speaker 2: him visibly like a splash behind him, and you know
Speaker 2: this ain't over yet. I think all these films when
Speaker 2: there is there's a chase going on, there's there's a hunt.
Speaker 2: You need that moment to remind the audience. And Terminator too,
Speaker 2: does it so well with the liquid nitrogen dude and
Speaker 2: which Cassidy were spoken about them. It's doing really well
Speaker 2: where it's like, no, this ain't over yet, You've got
Speaker 2: some work to do.
Speaker 3: Still again, this takes up, go up again exactly, and
Speaker 3: it's almost by that time you're a bit ragged as
Speaker 3: of viewer. You're like, oh fuck, I hope he's oh no, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: And that's when you really have to dig in.
Speaker 2: Yeah and that and that, and then so he gets
Speaker 2: and then he basically spends the rest of the film
Speaker 2: covered in mud. And that's why I imagine his skin
Speaker 2: has always been amazing. Apparently conditions were extremely hot, and
Speaker 2: that it was not necessarily a fun thing for an
Speaker 2: they have to.
Speaker 3: I can I can relate to that. I've I've I've
Speaker 3: had to wear things for weeks on end that.
Speaker 1: Physically you have been putting.
Speaker 3: The one well I had to one of them was
Speaker 3: one of them was a film where I had to
Speaker 3: wear these contact lenses that covered the entire eye so
Speaker 3: that I could look bloodshot. So they weren't just lenses
Speaker 3: over the pupil, that were lenses over the entire rise,
Speaker 3: so that they could bloodshot the whites of them. And
Speaker 3: I had to wear them for about four weeks, and
Speaker 3: I've got very sensitive eyes. And the other one was
Speaker 3: that was a little film that doesn't even need to
Speaker 3: be messed, and and then the other the other one.
Speaker 3: And this sounds so it sounds so pierce week, just like,
Speaker 3: oh you didn't didn't like a bit of mud on
Speaker 3: your face? Trust me, After weeks and weeks of this stuff,
Speaker 3: it can really get to you. But the wigs for Molly,
Speaker 3: you know, seven weeks of just fucking really wishes headache.
Speaker 3: That well, we shot it. We shot it in the summer,
Speaker 3: and I'm a profuse sweater and they made me get
Speaker 3: botox under my arms so that so that the costumes
Speaker 3: didn't get sweaty, because I was wearing a lot of
Speaker 3: skin tight seventy shit and so my sweating has been
Speaker 3: a problem on everything I've ever done, but no more
Speaker 3: so on Molly, which we shot in summer. So they
Speaker 3: botoxed under my arms so that to preserve the costumes,
Speaker 3: and that meant all the sweat came through my head
Speaker 3: and my head was of course staple down with a wig.
Speaker 3: So it sounds like nothing, just like it sounds like
Speaker 3: like mud on. You know, having to wear a bit
Speaker 3: of mud in your face is nothing, but when it's
Speaker 3: hour after hour, day after day, week after week, these
Speaker 3: things can become quite hard to handle.
Speaker 2: The really last thing we shot on how to Stay
Speaker 2: Mad this year was me in a flashback thing. It's
Speaker 2: what were you in just in a week? Is a
Speaker 2: wedding speech that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like you just wearing a wig right now?
Speaker 3: A big deal?
Speaker 1: And it was. It was I would have had the
Speaker 1: wig on for an hour and a half, two hours, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how'd you go in? You have a headache at the
Speaker 1: end of it. Yeah, yeah, so that's now and a half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all day for you know, for seven weeks. Lot easier
Speaker 1: to shave.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I think mud would be the same. I
Speaker 3: just imagine any of those things, they just become an encumbrance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: I can sympathize with him with the mud thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean it's it's it's it's you know,
Speaker 3: when you make your ship, there's no glamour there, you know,
Speaker 3: what I mean. On my thirtieth birthday, I was doing
Speaker 3: a job for Brendan cow or Anthony Hayes or one
Speaker 3: of those guys I was on. It was my thirtieth birthday,
Speaker 3: unpaid job short film. I was in a skin tight
Speaker 3: devil suit with a pitchfork and a dick print, like
Speaker 3: like you know, like you know how those skin type
Speaker 3: things they hide nothing, and I was I was just
Speaker 3: appindic on the day, you know, it just depends on
Speaker 3: the day. And yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: Just afford the fluffer.
Speaker 3: I just remember standing there, just going and then the
Speaker 3: producer walked past and made a joke about my dick print,
Speaker 3: so I stabbed him with my fucking fork, my devil's fork,
Speaker 3: stabbed him with it like it was made of plastic.
Speaker 3: But I just remember thinking as a thirty year old
Speaker 3: on my birthday in this skin tight kind of devil's suit,
Speaker 3: working for nothing, trying to be funny, and just gone,
Speaker 3: what the fuck are we doing? Why do we do this?
Speaker 3: And I'm keen to ask you because I don't do
Speaker 3: it anymore much. I just I can't handle it anymore.
Speaker 3: How you've just come off set. Like for people listening,
Speaker 3: they probably don't understand how much you have to go
Speaker 3: through just to get on set. I mean the amount
Speaker 3: of years that you have to devote to producing something,
Speaker 3: to creating it, to building it up, then only to
Speaker 3: not get it funded, then only to not make it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guarantee you if for this job that
Speaker 3: you've just shot, there'd be two or three other jobs
Speaker 3: that you've worked your absolute backside off on and haven't
Speaker 3: been able to see through to fruition. Surely there's a couple. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: How do you cope with I want to know, because
Speaker 3: you're still enthusiastic. You know, you've just come off this
Speaker 3: job with Lisa mceune. You produced it, you wrote it,
Speaker 3: you start in it. How the fuck do you still
Speaker 3: have the energy for it? Mate? Because I lost my
Speaker 3: will to go through it all.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean part of the enthusiasm I have is
Speaker 2: I mean I've been fortunate, you know, like you talk about, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we bang our heads against the wall for the projects
Speaker 2: that don't get up, but when they get up, it is,
Speaker 2: you know, it is wonderful.
Speaker 1: And then you start feeling a responsibility and then.
Speaker 3: You feel good.
Speaker 1: You feel good, but you feel a responsibility.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love it, and I hope we can
Speaker 2: do another season of it because we have this once.
Speaker 2: These characters are alive in your head and.
Speaker 1: When it becomes and they become real, yeah, like want,
Speaker 1: I want to.
Speaker 3: And that's what you're chasing, isn't it. That's what you're
Speaker 3: happy to keep working for and will make no end
Speaker 3: of sacrifices to get to that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I and I want to see.
Speaker 2: We have two teenage like not teenage, one teenage daughter
Speaker 2: and a ten year old daughter in the show. I
Speaker 2: want to see. I want to keep them alive, not
Speaker 2: the actors. I want to get these characters alive. They're
Speaker 2: real to me.
Speaker 3: So you're creatively you're creatively invested in and married to it.
Speaker 3: So you get that creative jee because it's your story.
Speaker 3: So it's your baby, and it's worth nurturing through.
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's why I's devastated when you work on something,
Speaker 1: because you can have the same feeling about something that
Speaker 1: we haven't seen on screen yet. But you you put
Speaker 1: the work in and you develop something and in your
Speaker 1: head you can see these characters and you want to
Speaker 1: get them out. I remember saying I think it was
Speaker 1: Evan stro Hoskin and we're doing. I love you too,
Speaker 1: I said.
Speaker 2: My biggest fear is that I don't get all these
Speaker 2: stories out. You know, that's great, and probably only probably
Speaker 2: at five percent of them out. I'm I'm not going
Speaker 2: to get all of them out.
Speaker 3: But that's great, see, I think, yeah, see, you're not
Speaker 3: going to end up disillusion If they're your stories, the
Speaker 3: thing is always a gun fire. They're not my stories.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm coming in nice minute, and everything that I need
Speaker 3: to do as well, I'm truly pre shaped by the
Speaker 3: time I arrive. Yeah, I mean, I'm you know, I
Speaker 3: don't have the power to make any creative decisions. I mean,
Speaker 3: the number one rule in my game is fucking stand where,
Speaker 3: say what, and don't have any fucking ideas. You know,
Speaker 3: on the last shoot that I was on and went
Speaker 3: back to acting last year for a few months, and yeah,
Speaker 3: I dared to have two ideas. But you know, it's
Speaker 3: just simple stuff, like my character's a been agitated about
Speaker 3: this stuff that's happening. Can my character be standing in
Speaker 3: this scene? No, he's sitting there with already. You know, Like,
Speaker 3: I'm not even allowed to I have no agency over
Speaker 3: the character at all. I'm not allowed to decide how
Speaker 3: the character moves. I'm not allowed to decide whether the
Speaker 3: character stands or sits up. Everything's been pre shaped, everything's
Speaker 3: been storyboarded. By the time I get in there, I'm
Speaker 3: literally a marionette.
Speaker 1: I suggest that you never work with him again, but.
Speaker 3: That's been every job in my whole career.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the way we work on you know, certainly
Speaker 2: the sets that I've been with it today, you actually do.
Speaker 3: It the way it's should be done. You're a collaborative.
Speaker 3: This is the thing about comics they used to like
Speaker 3: they're used to working together and finding it together and
Speaker 3: creating it together. If you just do straight drama, mate,
Speaker 3: you can forget about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, we also work with directors though, who who respect
Speaker 2: the actor's space and and they we have our block
Speaker 2: throughs and everyone is out. It's just a director. Are
Speaker 2: you allowed to determine the movement of the scene. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: direct Now the director, it's a conversation.
Speaker 3: I'm not allowed to block. I can't block. No, that's
Speaker 3: They tell me what the blocking is and I go, yeah,
Speaker 3: but can I go there to get the salt at
Speaker 3: that point?
Speaker 2: And then I no, No, We've already planned it. I
Speaker 2: mean sometimes they might say, listen, that's going to stitch
Speaker 2: us up. That might stitch it up because we don't
Speaker 2: have the time to cover it.
Speaker 1: I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I wasn't planning on covering that. How important is it
Speaker 2: for you to walk over there to get the salt?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: That could be a conversation. So it's not like, you know,
Speaker 1: actors get everything.
Speaker 3: You don't get cart blanche. But but you're part of station. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's because it's your job that you've created, that
Speaker 3: you've written, that you're involved with. You've got some creative
Speaker 3: say the directors we.
Speaker 2: Brought in and also like I've learnt off them. That's
Speaker 2: how it really should be done as well. And I'm there,
Speaker 2: you know, certainly if I'm active, and even if I'm
Speaker 2: not acting, hopefully I'm there most days to you know,
Speaker 2: be on set to kind of go, yeah, well let's
Speaker 2: if you want to play some dialogue, let's play some dialogue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's dangerous. So you've got to respect the writing writing.
Speaker 3: I'm not the actor that comes in and thinks he
Speaker 3: can write better than the writers, Like.
Speaker 1: He's always shoot the scene. But then if you want
Speaker 1: to have a play list.
Speaker 3: I'm very respectful of the writers. I'm not wanting to
Speaker 3: come in and do you know, to do a wrestle
Speaker 3: and rewrite everything. You know, I'm not, I'm not that deluded.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I just feel there's such
Speaker 3: a lack of agency that had turned me off. And
Speaker 3: I went away, and you know, and I went away
Speaker 3: for six years because I found that I didn't have
Speaker 3: much agency over the molly meldrum that I created, that
Speaker 3: was that was totally just what they wanted and and
Speaker 3: so so I bailed for six years, and then I
Speaker 3: went back last year. I thought, I wonder whether I'm
Speaker 3: just being a preck about this. You know, it sounds
Speaker 3: like you're a bit disillusioned. To anyone listening is probably like,
Speaker 3: what are you complaining about?
Speaker 1: Mate?
Speaker 3: It's great life. But I like to have control over
Speaker 3: how I do things, and I like to have some
Speaker 3: sense of agency when it comes to the decisions I
Speaker 3: make at work. And so I went back to it
Speaker 3: last year and it was everything that I remembered. And
Speaker 3: but then but then, I'm in a different world to you.
Speaker 3: You're in a world where where where you're with you're
Speaker 3: you know, you're with a creative team creating some building
Speaker 3: something together. I'm in a world where I'm a gun
Speaker 3: for hire and I have to I have to be
Speaker 3: dropped in and to do something very specific. I think
Speaker 3: there's a way you can have both. Yeah, well there
Speaker 3: seems to be. There seems to be with your work,
Speaker 3: that's for sure. But you know, I mean I suppose
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I used to be just a straight
Speaker 3: TV actor and you know, I don't have any I
Speaker 3: don't many ideas, that's the rule.
Speaker 1: I think there's more ideas.
Speaker 2: We have unlock some of those ideas over over a
Speaker 2: beer or a coffee one day. Hey, let's go to
Speaker 2: the end of the film. So what did you make
Speaker 2: of it? Basically becomes any kind of stands with you know,
Speaker 2: like a flaming kind of a fire torch and full
Speaker 2: of Martin and he kind of does you know, a
Speaker 2: jungle kind of raw.
Speaker 1: It becomes full w w A. He's summoning.
Speaker 2: You could always hear the theme music, and you can
Speaker 2: always hear the w create. You could be could be
Speaker 2: surrounded by wrestling fans with their with their banners at
Speaker 2: that stage, and then the predator kind of takes up
Speaker 2: the challenge in a way he kind of like goes, okay,
Speaker 2: do you take that as the Predator kind of having
Speaker 2: some kind of honor system or like on a code
Speaker 2: that Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna fight you on on
Speaker 2: your because it basically becomes a fist fight.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do. Yeah, yeah, I might have anthropomorphosed the Predator.
Speaker 3: I don't see it as a machine really, I just
Speaker 3: see it as the other Arnie. You wouln't be surprised
Speaker 3: if the director told me the Predator was actually just Arnie.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. It's it was that primal scream,
Speaker 3: you know, that primal scream, and you're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it had to be artillery. Wasn't going to
Speaker 3: do it? Was it?
Speaker 1: No? You know, I'm not sure how I felt at
Speaker 1: the end. I think I was always a little.
Speaker 3: Let down that really didn't quite get there.
Speaker 1: No, because it's you, how are you going to kill
Speaker 1: this thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it really just comes down to a bit
Speaker 2: of a fistfight and a log that he's kind of planted.
Speaker 2: It felt a little bit yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: a little bit convenient it was taking that while he cared.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I would have I would have
Speaker 3: liked personally if if if they didn't make it to
Speaker 3: the Chopper. Yeah, I think it would have been more
Speaker 3: interesting film.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wondered that during it, and.
Speaker 3: A more interesting sequel left the Predator, had it just
Speaker 3: kicked fuss?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was in any of the other Predator movie,
Speaker 2: but it's pred of the two. And then it's press Alien,
Speaker 2: which you know, and yeah, I'm not sure if I
Speaker 2: if I'm into it enough to kind of check those out,
Speaker 2: but I.
Speaker 3: Think they get they get better. Yeah, yeah, they get better,
Speaker 3: I reckon.
Speaker 2: And then what did you think of the helmet off
Speaker 2: and when you saw or the alien when you're making
Speaker 2: the alien itself?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Great, Yeah, I thought, yeah, yeah, really good. I thought
Speaker 3: I thought the design, the design whoever did the design
Speaker 3: on all that was pretty epic.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wasn't disappointed.
Speaker 1: No, No, I wasn't disappointed. I thought it was impressive.
Speaker 2: I thought, I thought, my preferred option is to have
Speaker 2: the Predator like in these kind of like you know,
Speaker 2: incognito kind of yeah, you know Chameleon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I liked Chameleon. Predator yeah sure.
Speaker 1: And then I I and I like seeing the alien face.
Speaker 3: It would have been so easy to be disappointed when
Speaker 3: you did finally see it, Like I could have just no,
Speaker 3: because because everybody's got a different image in their head
Speaker 3: of what it must must look like. But I was
Speaker 3: pleased with the visuals I was given. Yeah, very pleased.
Speaker 3: I actually rate the film, But I just can't tell
Speaker 3: you why, Pete. Yeah, you know, I just can't tell you.
Speaker 3: I wasn't overly invested in the characters. You know, it's this,
Speaker 3: you know, there was nothing, nothing particularly outstanding about it.
Speaker 3: But for some reason I'm rating it. Still haven't worked
Speaker 3: out why. Yeah, because normally, normally that kind of film,
Speaker 3: I'd come in and just tear shreds through it. But
Speaker 3: for some reason, for some reason, it got me, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: About half hour in, I thought I'm gonna this is
Speaker 2: gonna be one of those films where I'm like this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: what's wrong with it?
Speaker 1: But and yeah, there's been a bit of that.
Speaker 3: But I would have watched it all if I wasn't
Speaker 3: talking to you about it. Yeah, I think even if
Speaker 3: I wasn't coming in here to talk about it, I
Speaker 3: think I would have watched it all. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 3: saying a lot because I don't watch films entirely much anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think of the Predator's human evil
Speaker 2: laugh he does the when.
Speaker 10: He gets yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Even an alien alien species have the same yah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: That's where that's when you get into slock territory. I mean,
Speaker 3: there were so many schlocky kind of moments. But the
Speaker 3: other weirdest moment for me, but it would be weird
Speaker 3: if it was some kind of coquettish kind of giggle.
Speaker 1: The weirdest moment for me.
Speaker 2: The weirdest moment for me was was the the final
Speaker 2: end credit Secrets where it just turned into an eighties sitcom.
Speaker 2: But did you see that right when the film ends
Speaker 2: and they basically have all the characters who have been
Speaker 2: like hard asses all the way through the film basically
Speaker 2: shooting guns and then turning to the camera.
Speaker 3: And laughing outtakes.
Speaker 1: It could have been the end of Growing Pains. It
Speaker 1: was incredible.
Speaker 3: It was very incongruent, wasn't it. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: we loved that stuff back then, or you know, there
Speaker 3: was nothing like watching a bit of behind the scenes
Speaker 3: is the credit road back in the day? Yeah, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, it really breaks down that fourth wall,
Speaker 3: and that's a that's an important decision for a director
Speaker 3: to make. I mean, personally, if I was in charge
Speaker 3: of the Predator franchise, I wouldn't be breaking the fourth
Speaker 3: wall at all, not even in the credits. I don't
Speaker 3: want to see them clowning around. Hey, I've just I've
Speaker 3: just been invested in this like high drama.
Speaker 1: It really kind of reminds you.
Speaker 3: Reminded me of the eighties, but it minds.
Speaker 1: You straight away. It's like, Ah, that's right.
Speaker 2: I've been watching a movie, a movie, and the whole
Speaker 2: thing you've been joking to, but it's not a movie,
Speaker 2: and now you're going to say this and this is
Speaker 2: a movie and these are all actors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would recommend if someone hadn't seen Terminator and
Speaker 3: hadn't seen Predator, I'd say, watched Terminator. I still think
Speaker 3: the Terminator franchise is better, absolutely, But at the same time,
Speaker 3: that could be partly because I'm not into war and
Speaker 3: military stuff a lot, and there was a lot of
Speaker 3: Camo in this. I mean, I've seen a lot of
Speaker 3: military films, but I'm kind of there's something about war
Speaker 3: action isn't as interesting to me as suburban action or
Speaker 3: urban action. Yeah, like you know, saving Private Ryan didn't
Speaker 3: really get me, Predator didn't really get me. But if
Speaker 3: you chuck all that shit in a city like with Terminator,
Speaker 3: then then I'm right. I'm right into it because there's
Speaker 3: causeways and buses going over bridges, and I can relate
Speaker 3: to that much more easily than the jungle boogie.
Speaker 1: This has some fun facts. We love, a fun fact
Speaker 1: place you ain't see nothing yet involving Predator.
Speaker 3: The fun fact already is that actor that ended up
Speaker 3: writing all those others, Shane Black, shame Black. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to remember that name.
Speaker 2: What else I can tell you that this whole idea
Speaker 2: was born from a joke after a Yeah, which probably.
Speaker 1: Doesn't surprise you, but Rocky after Rocky four and.
Speaker 2: Rocky takes on Ivan Dago, and the kind of joke was,
Speaker 2: who you know, after, who's the next enemy going to be?
Speaker 2: It's gonna have to be an alien, a Rocky versus
Speaker 2: an alien. I think what somebody even joked might be
Speaker 2: et and that somebody thought, okay, imagine, Yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: a Stallone style character taking on an alien.
Speaker 1: Predator was born.
Speaker 2: The Predator body double was none other than mister van Dam,
Speaker 2: Jean Claude van Dam, but he was fired after a
Speaker 2: couple of days. We're complaining too much about it being
Speaker 2: too hot. You know, as we know, these conditions can
Speaker 2: not suit.
Speaker 3: J C v D, for the record, is one of
Speaker 3: the biggest fuck wits in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I think that's been well and.
Speaker 3: You know these rumors, you know where there's smoke this fire.
Speaker 3: We've all heard night mare stories about him, especially on
Speaker 3: his Melbourne visits as well. He's visited Melbourne a couple
Speaker 3: of times and I've heard some first hand stuff so
Speaker 3: or some second hand stuff, but pretty close to the
Speaker 3: horse's mouth. I'm not surprised he couldn't hack it. He
Speaker 3: can't hack much.
Speaker 1: That Blake laying down the gloves mate.
Speaker 3: I'd like to see him try and wear a week
Speaker 3: for six weeks.
Speaker 2: John Claw in Molly too, he will Predator has eight
Speaker 2: minutes screen time. The Predator has eight minutes screen time.
Speaker 2: He makes the most of that. James Cameron helped with
Speaker 2: the design of that alien. They kind of they were
Speaker 2: working on it. He didn't quite real it wasn't quite working.
Speaker 2: James Cameron steps in and helps out, and yeah, it
Speaker 2: does a bit of fascinating on the Aliens of the
Speaker 2: Alien once it's the mask, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the
Speaker 2: same guy who played Predator who's in the suit, he
Speaker 2: was seven foot two, also played Harry in Harry and
Speaker 2: the Hendersons. So this is his line of work. You know,
Speaker 2: he's the kind of guy. He can wear a wig
Speaker 2: for eight hours a day.
Speaker 3: Imagine, but imagine having to do one of those superhero
Speaker 3: films and be in those fucking suits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine that.
Speaker 3: You may imagine. Imagine you're an actor and you're like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: one day do all the big films and I'm going
Speaker 3: to make it in Hollywood and it's going to be amazing.
Speaker 7: I'm going to pay millions of dollars in the world's
Speaker 7: going to know this is going to be awesome. And
Speaker 7: then you get the offer we want you to do
Speaker 7: an X Men film or a Marvel film, and you're like,
Speaker 7: oh my god, all my dreams have come.
Speaker 3: True and they put you in a fucking suit for
Speaker 3: fucking three Well.
Speaker 2: The best example of this, and we spoke about literally
Speaker 2: in the very first episode of You Ain't Seen Nothing
Speaker 2: Yet with Tom Lesson. David Prowse was brought on board
Speaker 2: placed Darth Vade are going to be in the suit.
Speaker 1: You're basically your body double. Will you use my voice? No,
Speaker 1: we're going to use James gel Jones. Then I turn
Speaker 1: of the Jedi. You'll see my face when the mask
Speaker 1: comes up.
Speaker 3: I mean you take the job. But yeah, it'd be
Speaker 3: a bit stifling, wouldn't it?
Speaker 1: Absolutely would mate. This has not been stifling at all. Mate.
Speaker 1: You are an absolute gentleman and.
Speaker 2: H sorry for the people have sworn more people one more.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's not good.
Speaker 1: I didn't even I didn't even heart.
Speaker 2: But thank you so much, mate, thank you for behalf
Speaker 2: of everyone, for the work you have done with Love
Speaker 2: your Sister.
Speaker 1: You have a new book out called Love your Mum.
Speaker 3: Called Dear Mom, Dear Mom. It's an collection of letters
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Speaker 3: you for contributing to it. The publisher has just re
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Speaker 1: Fantastic.
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Speaker 2: One, get onto it. It's it's a great venture and
Speaker 2: this is a bloody entertaining read. I'm sure I can't
Speaker 2: wait to read the other letters. Who else is a
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Speaker 3: Oh well, Patty Newton, Guy Pierce, Rebecca Gibney, Amanda Keller, Brian,
Speaker 3: Brian Mannix. The list goes on. There's over ninety letters.
Speaker 2: Fantastic. It is a beautiful idea. Well done, Sam. Great
Speaker 2: to see you, mate, and we'll catch up soon.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 8: Pete.
Speaker 1: Well, it's great to be back. Series three.
Speaker 2: If you wait seen nothing yet is underway and what
Speaker 2: a great way to kick off with Samuel Johnson, who
Speaker 2: is such a talented, passionate, honest man. And I've been
Speaker 2: fascinated with Samuel's journey for a long time now, both
Speaker 2: on screen and off screen, and I'm honored to call
Speaker 2: him a mate. So thank you to everyone who's returning
Speaker 2: for series three. We've got some great guests lined up.
Speaker 2: Judith Lucy has confirmed she will be chatting to me
Speaker 2: about Sound of Music in the next couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: so that will, I will predict be in the first
Speaker 2: half a dozen episodes of this season, so she'll be
Speaker 2: talking about the Sound of Music's great grassar lined up
Speaker 2: also Tom Ballard will be joining us and many more.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your emails, Yasney Podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: Somebody said, I say too quickly. I'm going to slow
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Speaker 2: Yasney, hy as n y. You ain't seen nothing yet.
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Speaker 2: got some lovely feedback. Jan gone onto me. What a
Speaker 2: brilliant episode of Yasney with Ross Noble. I'm a regular
Speaker 2: listener and enjoy each episode, but was blown away with
Speaker 2: how articulate and erudyite Ross was about the themes in
Speaker 2: Wake in Fright. The way he ruminated about the consent issue,
Speaker 2: which is so topical at the moment, was brilliant. I've
Speaker 2: always enjoyed Russ when he's been on TV segments, but
Speaker 2: really haven't followed his shoes. He really did bring a
Speaker 2: new perspective to the film and I will now keep
Speaker 2: an eye out for his shows. And Jan, like everybody
Speaker 2: else who was written to me, has also pointed out
Speaker 2: that and that Funacello's name is actually pronounced fuona cello,
Speaker 2: funa cello, not funa cello. I prefer funa cello. But okay, Jan,
Speaker 2: it's Funicello and yes, so thank you for that. Jam,
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening. She's enjoying, loving the
Speaker 2: show and looking forward to the next series of How
Speaker 2: to Stay Married.
Speaker 1: Thank you, that'll be out in.
Speaker 2: Very soon, actually very soon, Jessica Lawrence gone on to me, Hi,
Speaker 2: Pete and the team, Pete and the team, that's me
Speaker 2: and Derek. I love yesterday's episode with myth and when
Speaker 2: you were discussing how everyone had their pulp fiction movie
Speaker 2: poster in their lounge droom, I had to share mine.
Speaker 1: This is hanging in our hallway.
Speaker 2: It hung on the wall of my teenage bedroom and
Speaker 2: has taken private place in our hallway since we moved
Speaker 2: in nearly six years ago. It is the pulp fiction
Speaker 2: framed poster that she has sent me. Yes, and she's
Speaker 2: also a big fan of the introductions you give to
Speaker 2: me guests, each one highly complimentary, world research and eloquently delivered.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that because I've tried to work on the
Speaker 2: more the series has gone along, because I'm trying not
Speaker 2: to repeat the same, the same you know, hyperboles and
Speaker 2: nudjectives from week to week.
Speaker 1: So thank you very much. I appreciate that. I really do.
Speaker 2: Jessica and Pam Harrison also got in touch high Pam
Speaker 2: she enjoyed and also to chat with myth about about
Speaker 2: Magnolia and when we refer to the frogs falling from
Speaker 2: the sky, Pam says, I haven't seen the full film
Speaker 2: for decades, but I recall there was a scene of
Speaker 2: a group of people, maybe protesting.
Speaker 1: That may not be correct, but a group.
Speaker 2: Scene that someone was holding a sign which quoted the
Speaker 2: verse from the Bible First Testament. I assume at a
Speaker 2: time I look this verse up and refer to frogs
Speaker 2: falling from the sky.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell it meant, but there
Speaker 1: you go. Love your work.
Speaker 2: And yes, she also I was blowing away the first
Speaker 2: time she saw Magnolia. I was blown away by the
Speaker 2: film the first time I saw. I tried to watch
Speaker 2: it a month ago, and I couldn't sit through it.
Speaker 2: Too dark and too depressing, and the Tom Cruise character
Speaker 2: and the role was triggering for me. It is interesting
Speaker 2: how movies can change, and our reactions to movies can
Speaker 2: change over the years, both sometimes positively and sometimes negatively.
Speaker 2: So thank you yasny Podcast at gmail dot com. I'm
Speaker 2: loving all the emails we are getting next. Thank you
Speaker 2: Derek Myers. He's back for series three. We are recording
Speaker 2: at Cassaway Studios dot com dot AU at Collingwood if
Speaker 2: you're in Melbourne, if you're looking to get a podcast
Speaker 2: started up, I know Samuel Johnson took Derek's card on
Speaker 2: the way out. It's a great space, very comfortable and
Speaker 2: we love recording here. Thank you Derek for putting all
Speaker 2: the episodes together. Next week on the show.
Speaker 1: And this was not planned.
Speaker 2: We actually have the man who Sam Johnson was chatting
Speaker 2: about in huge, glowing terms earlier in this podcast in
Speaker 2: this episode, Steve Curry.
Speaker 1: He will be joining us next week.
Speaker 2: No man has done more Australian television and movies than
Speaker 2: Steve Curry.
Speaker 1: You know from The Castle, you know him from The Nugget,
Speaker 1: Wog Boy, The King, the Cup, Hounds of Love.
Speaker 2: He's done so much and he's a great mate and
Speaker 2: one of the most talented actors we have in this
Speaker 2: Country's gonna be great to chat to him about all
Speaker 2: about a The nineteen fifty Oscar winner is nominated for
Speaker 2: fourteen one Best Motion Picture and a few others as well,
Speaker 2: starring the great Bete Davis.
Speaker 1: That's next week with Steve Curry on. You ain't seen
Speaker 1: nothing yet, and so we leave all Pete see man
Speaker 1: sul and to our friends of the radio audience, we've
Speaker 1: been a pleasant good name.