Speaker 1: Hello, my name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yr
Speaker 1: the Order Kerni Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before
Speaker 1: we get started on She's on the Money podcast, I
Speaker 1: would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land
Speaker 1: of which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country,
Speaker 1: acknowledging the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming through.
Speaker 1: As this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and
Speaker 1: the storytelling of you to make a difference for today
Speaker 1: and lasting impact for tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.
Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the cast
Speaker 4: with people who want financial freedom. Today's Friday, which means
Speaker 4: it's time to get the team together and celebrate you
Speaker 4: the incredible She's on the Money community. Today we'll be
Speaker 4: sharing our favorite money wins. We'll be helping to answer
Speaker 4: a juicy money dilemma which this week is all about
Speaker 4: inclusive sizing and the varying prices, and we unpack something
Speaker 4: you slid into our dms about which this week is
Speaker 4: all about when you're traveling with a friend and you
Speaker 4: realize that your budgets may not align.
Speaker 5: This one's gonna be juicy. I'm very excited for it.
Speaker 6: I know, I can't wait, Beck And today is very
Speaker 6: exciting because we are joined by a very well loved
Speaker 6: friend of the show. You guys have probably heard from
Speaker 6: her before if you came to our book tour last
Speaker 6: last year.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, it's been longer than that.
Speaker 6: Twenty twenty two, I think is when we realized we
Speaker 6: have the beautiful April joining us. You might know us
Speaker 6: as the Bodzilla April.
Speaker 2: Hi. Hello, how are you voting?
Speaker 6: Hi? I'm so excited to have you here because anyone
Speaker 6: who has listened to that episode, because we did record
Speaker 6: the podcast that you joined us for, knows that you
Speaker 6: are just such a ray of sunshine.
Speaker 2: Oh thank you.
Speaker 7: I think that was one of the most fun nights.
Speaker 7: We really just had the best time.
Speaker 5: It was loose, lots of pass.
Speaker 2: On and off stage.
Speaker 5: I feel hundi of percent now. April.
Speaker 6: Some of you may know her, she's a body acceptance
Speaker 6: and fat positive lady. In addition, she is a writer,
Speaker 6: she's a podcaster, she's a public speaker.
Speaker 5: She works in corporate comm she doesn't she do all.
Speaker 6: Literally, I can't think of a single thing, and she's
Speaker 6: one of the funniest humans I've ever met.
Speaker 5: As well. Do you want to tell everyone a little
Speaker 5: bit about yourself?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Sure, absolutely, Well, I mean, aside from all of those things,
Speaker 7: I guess I would also say I'm a mum, and
Speaker 7: so that takes up, you know, a fair bit of time,
Speaker 7: and that's the stuff you kind of don't see. That's
Speaker 7: really you know, I suppose when you look at what
Speaker 7: people post online versus what is actually happening in their life,
Speaker 7: sometimes you don't have to share everything. And so for me, yeah,
Speaker 7: being a mom is a big part of that. But
Speaker 7: I get to travel a lot and spend a lot
Speaker 7: of time doing cool things like this, and that's I
Speaker 7: think that's really fun because it lets my child see
Speaker 7: that parents also have a life outside of parenting, which
Speaker 7: is a really important thing for them to see. But yeah,
Speaker 7: so I definitely think I would. I'll take all those
Speaker 7: titles write up first, and why not. Absolutely, I'm here,
Speaker 7: I've got headphones on. I don't think you can really
Speaker 7: argue with that.
Speaker 5: Now, is she in her money era?
Speaker 1: This?
Speaker 2: I am in my money era?
Speaker 6: Very exciting. Before we get into it. How's everybody's week
Speaker 6: this week?
Speaker 5: April you go first? Please?
Speaker 2: Oh me?
Speaker 7: How was my week? Well, it's been great. So I
Speaker 7: spent the weekend in Brisbane with a bunch of my
Speaker 7: gal pals. We were at a cute little pier event
Speaker 7: for a brand that we love, Yes, the Gordeous Inclusive
Speaker 7: clothing brand, and then.
Speaker 5: Branded it Vagary. The label amazing by.
Speaker 2: The beautiful Rachel.
Speaker 7: Just honestly, it's floey, it's beautiful. I'm obsessed. And also
Speaker 7: it's fun because Rachel told U story about how she
Speaker 7: has people telling her that they thought the name was Vagerie.
Speaker 5: I mean, not what you want to hear as a
Speaker 5: business from.
Speaker 7: I had someone slide into my DMS and say because
Speaker 7: I tagged the label and say, oh, I thought it
Speaker 7: might have been like, you know, a.
Speaker 2: Product for you who ha.
Speaker 7: I said, well, the clothes a light and flowy and
Speaker 7: made from cotton type fabrics, so like it is kind of.
Speaker 5: Va Yeah, absolutely, which was not where.
Speaker 7: I expected any of those versations to go. So yeah,
Speaker 7: and then you know, back to work midweek and now
Speaker 7: I'm here on my day off because we love a
Speaker 7: part time work agreements, and here I am hanging out
Speaker 7: with you both.
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm so excited, very very fun. Don't start Victoria
Speaker 6: the word.
Speaker 7: She's not here, so someone's going to say, did she
Speaker 7: tell you to do this? Actually no, which is just
Speaker 7: yet more proof that we're all so perfectly.
Speaker 2: Matched for each other.
Speaker 5: Definitely definitely. How's your weet been back?
Speaker 4: My week has been absolutely lovely, just basking in the
Speaker 4: sometimes sun. Still going to the gym is something that
Speaker 4: I never thought i'd stick to. But I also do
Speaker 4: want to speak too soon, because any second now I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm going to have one one minute break
Speaker 4: that will last an entire lifetime.
Speaker 5: So I am worried about that. But otherwise honestly just chilling.
Speaker 5: What about you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Same, I think, just working.
Speaker 6: I've been enjoying all of the baby photos beginning from VD,
Speaker 6: just kind of plodding along. It's getting chilly now, which is,
Speaker 6: you know, not my fave. Starting to think about planning
Speaker 6: of AK hopefully Okay, we'll see somewhere warm, I think,
Speaker 6: because I'm not I'm not good with the cold, but TBC,
Speaker 6: you haven't figured it out.
Speaker 5: Just sure we'll go nooser.
Speaker 6: See, my week's been good, but I've got some really
Speaker 6: good money wins to share with you guys.
Speaker 5: You can like to hear them no, thanks, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, maybe, don't do it anyway, it was
Speaker 2: a rhetorical question.
Speaker 6: My first money win this week comes from Lauren, who
Speaker 6: said money win. I finally made it to five K
Speaker 6: in my emergency fund, which I've been struggling to get
Speaker 6: to for two years. Now, money loss. We just found
Speaker 6: out we need to contribute an extra five k to
Speaker 6: my body corporate for an urgent repaint of the property
Speaker 6: due to flaking paint letting moisture in. But at least
Speaker 6: I have the emergency fund for it now.
Speaker 5: Well, congratulations and sorry to hear real kick up the
Speaker 5: pants when that happens.
Speaker 4: It's like exactly, yeah, exactly, that's exactly what it's there for.
Speaker 5: But also very sad when you.
Speaker 2: Have to use it.
Speaker 5: But now you know you can do it, so you
Speaker 5: can just do it again.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 6: Now I've got a money in from Maddie who said
Speaker 6: money win. I've been using the seven eleven app to
Speaker 6: score fifteen dollars off of fuel through the fuel lock function.
Speaker 6: Such a shame they're restricting the discount as of this week.
Speaker 6: I don't know what that's about.
Speaker 2: So you can.
Speaker 7: I think it's you can look at the app and
Speaker 7: see what the fuel price is and lock it in,
Speaker 7: which obviously you risk the biscuits because of what if.
Speaker 2: It goes down?
Speaker 7: True, But like any kind of thing, you're locking in
Speaker 7: interest rates, et cetera.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes you just got to go, I'm going
Speaker 2: to jump in take it.
Speaker 7: Then you can lock it in and then I don't
Speaker 7: really understand the actual process, but I did read about
Speaker 7: that because I remember there's lots of compos about fuel
Speaker 7: kind of over the last few years.
Speaker 6: So EXPENSI if I paid like two dollars something this week,
Speaker 6: I really cried. And I remember when I used to
Speaker 6: think that it was like a dollar thirty. I'd be like, now,
Speaker 6: wait for it to go down.
Speaker 5: Well, totally, I can't remember last time I was it
Speaker 5: all of thirty.
Speaker 7: I was young enough to remember when fuel was under
Speaker 7: a dollar and they used to report it on the
Speaker 7: radio every morning and that it had gone to ninety
Speaker 7: five cents and everyone was in a funeral.
Speaker 5: So, oh my goodness, Yeah, it's not so much worse.
Speaker 2: Older than both of you buys quite some term.
Speaker 5: You wouldn't know you wouldn't know it all.
Speaker 6: Next, I've got a money win from Lucy who said
Speaker 6: I got two hundred dollars worth of ALSKD for eighteen dollars.
Speaker 6: I found a discount code for fifteen percent off, and
Speaker 6: then another eight point five percent return using shop back,
Speaker 6: and I had approximately one hundred and thirty dollars in
Speaker 6: cash back to withdraw, which I put towards the purchase.
Speaker 5: Whoa, whoa, whoa, I love this.
Speaker 7: I'm a shot back girly, same, yes, same, and yeah,
Speaker 7: this is.
Speaker 2: I really, I said. I was in my money era
Speaker 2: the other day.
Speaker 7: I looked at the direct Hotel booking website and how
Speaker 7: much it was, and then booking on booking to a
Speaker 7: come through shop back, and went like, do I actually
Speaker 7: save money if I think it's I'm going to get
Speaker 7: this much back?
Speaker 2: Like I did a whole math. So there's lots of
Speaker 2: equations on my around. Imagine it.
Speaker 6: Do you believe it one of those movies where they're
Speaker 6: looking at the board and there's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, was it Russell Crowe, Jeffrey roj I don't know
Speaker 2: it was someone.
Speaker 5: I'm sure they've all staid at all.
Speaker 7: I was actually thinking exact Galafanakis with the you know the.
Speaker 2: That's what I was pure, Yes, that's me, big bids.
Speaker 6: I've got a money riding here from Steph, who said
Speaker 6: her birthday is Friday, so she's been receiving all of
Speaker 6: the birthday emails and discounts and free coffees and free
Speaker 6: food from businesses, which we love.
Speaker 5: And a big happy birthday to you, Steph, big happy
Speaker 5: birthday to you.
Speaker 6: Then I've got one from Mia who said I standed, primed,
Speaker 6: and painted four pieces of dated furniture. The paint and
Speaker 6: equipment cost me about forty bucks, but the savings to
Speaker 6: get a new desk and coffee table and side table
Speaker 6: would have been well over five hundred.
Speaker 2: Dollars and nothing going to landfill.
Speaker 5: We laugh. We do love that. Good for you, sis.
Speaker 2: And now that she knows she can do it when
Speaker 2: she's over.
Speaker 5: That change it exactly. I love a DIY moment.
Speaker 6: And then lastly this week, I've got a win from Kaylee,
Speaker 6: who said money win. I had one hundred and fifteen
Speaker 6: dollars in unpaid holls. This one's for you back, but
Speaker 6: I called them up and explained that I was on
Speaker 6: a holiday and didn't realize that they were all separate bills.
Speaker 6: I thought it was just additional letters that were being
Speaker 6: sent while I was gone, and they wiped all the
Speaker 6: admin fees. So now I only have to pay for
Speaker 6: thirty eight bucks.
Speaker 5: Oh that's so good.
Speaker 7: A little bit of a moment for calling instead of emailing,
Speaker 7: or just honestly, because I have so many friends who
Speaker 7: are like, oh, I'll just do you know what, I'll
Speaker 7: just pay it, I was like, oh no.
Speaker 2: And also because I've worked on the other side of.
Speaker 7: Being customer service, not in that particular scenario, but actually
Speaker 7: I quite like helping people. So if I have the
Speaker 7: ability to do it, why wouldn't I just be like,
Speaker 7: oh no, don't to worry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to make your day. And when you're
Speaker 2: nice to customer service people, they'll be nice to you.
Speaker 2: So true.
Speaker 4: That is so true for everyone listening. If you're mean
Speaker 4: to customer service people, they probably are going out of
Speaker 4: their way to not help you.
Speaker 6: So potentially, absolutely, as someone who worked in customer serfs,
Speaker 6: I can neither confirmin or tonight, me too.
Speaker 5: Actually, did you have money win at all this week?
Speaker 5: April Ka?
Speaker 7: Ch Yes, as I said, I've said a couple of
Speaker 7: times now, I'm in my money era. This week I
Speaker 7: opened a savings account, very exciting little online savings account moment.
Speaker 7: I have decided that I'm trying to say for a goal,
Speaker 7: and so I went online and I had actually had
Speaker 7: a look at a few accounts. Of course she's on
Speaker 7: the money girl means, and I was like, I won't
Speaker 7: just open the first one I see love. It looked
Speaker 7: at what the actual account offered in terms of, you know,
Speaker 7: the intra straight but also the terms, so whether I
Speaker 7: could put money in take it out, because obviously I'm
Speaker 7: a flexible gal.
Speaker 2: I want to be able to do what I need
Speaker 2: to do. And found the one that suited me.
Speaker 7: Best and opened it and put money in it straight away.
Speaker 7: Much for you, MAB, I set up a direct debit
Speaker 7: so that it goes in everywhere with my payroll.
Speaker 2: I was on a roll day.
Speaker 5: Automation just makes me feel tingly.
Speaker 4: That's a word that I will associate with you forever.
Speaker 4: Tingly but also automated but tingling now forever will be.
Speaker 5: I don't know why I thought that was okay. Moving along,
Speaker 5: you get some ro tips.
Speaker 4: I do have some ro tips, so one from the community,
Speaker 4: one for myself and I thought I would reserve the
Speaker 4: third place for yourself, April, if you have amazing okay, perfect.
Speaker 4: So the first one comes from KR, who says that
Speaker 4: adding a can of lentils and graded veggies to casserole
Speaker 4: meals spag bowl, shepherd's pie, past makes, et cetera. It
Speaker 4: kind of like doubles the feed. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: spend like a dollar on a can of lentils chucking
Speaker 4: in that kind of doubles all quadruples in some cases,
Speaker 4: I mean, a bit crazy, but it can really extend
Speaker 4: the longevity of your food, and I think it's a
Speaker 4: great idea, especially if you're like kind of clutching at
Speaker 4: pennies and you can't afford feed like maybe a whole
Speaker 4: family or just yourself for the week.
Speaker 2: You know, I totally love this one.
Speaker 7: I'm I more of a like half mince, half red
Speaker 7: kidney beans curly when I do Mexican.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's also like I feel like it's good protein
Speaker 2: getting some veggies in there. No one notices because it's
Speaker 2: all the same color.
Speaker 7: Happy days, And totally it's like the cost of the
Speaker 7: meat versus you know that, and if you want it
Speaker 7: to go the whole way, you could just do it
Speaker 7: all beans, do you delicious?
Speaker 2: So yeah.
Speaker 7: And for vegetarian people, it's like when you have someone over,
Speaker 7: you don't have to be like, oh, you've got a
Speaker 7: separate plate eating a few less meat, few more veggie.
Speaker 2: That's always good.
Speaker 5: We love. Yeah, that's a win win win win.
Speaker 6: I would say I have the idea of grating to
Speaker 6: get one of those odd bunch bags. If you know,
Speaker 6: you get like the one dollar whatever it coals where
Speaker 6: it's the misshapen carrots or that you couldn't necessarily easily
Speaker 6: chop up, but if you just grate it and chuck
Speaker 6: it in.
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: And then the poor sad little fruits that everyone thinks
Speaker 4: are ugly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really feel for them.
Speaker 2: Fruits fruit positivity there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, we need an advocate for those guys.
Speaker 2: Well that's me.
Speaker 7: I'm there with my I've got zucchini's carrots and then
Speaker 7: also sometimes avocados.
Speaker 2: I'm like, how can you you can't judge? Then you
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 7: Open and it's mostly see and you're like, okay, well
Speaker 7: I'll away with it this time.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, ten of them for my bowl of cocaol totally
Speaker 6: for one table.
Speaker 5: And my broke tip of this week.
Speaker 4: I caught up with an old friend literally yesterday, and
Speaker 4: it was a bit awkward because I was making a joke.
Speaker 4: I was like, who in the world still uses group
Speaker 4: on and she was like I do. I said, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry, but she really didn't lighten me. I
Speaker 4: was humbled stay because she said that she you can
Speaker 4: get anything on there and so much she but I
Speaker 4: forgot that this thing existed really, but she was like,
Speaker 4: you know, she gets ten dollars event movie tickets instead
Speaker 4: of going and paying like sometimes twenty eight dollars, like
Speaker 4: someplace they have paid that much. And so my break
Speaker 4: tip for this week is, do have a browse on groupon.
Speaker 4: I'm going to eat my words. I'm going to say,
Speaker 4: go on, groupon have a look what's there. You might
Speaker 4: be surprised. You might find some cheap restaurant vouchers, some
Speaker 4: cheap movie tickets. Just have a browse, have a peruse.
Speaker 6: I used to always love when I was younger the
Speaker 6: massages on there because they would usually do really cheap massages.
Speaker 6: I haven't looked at it in about ten thousand years, so.
Speaker 7: I know because I don't live, so you know, obviously
Speaker 7: I live in Canberra, and so that means that for me,
Speaker 7: group on options are slightly limited because we definitely don't
Speaker 7: have the kind of metropolitan vibes that when I.
Speaker 2: Lived in Sydney.
Speaker 7: I found group on was more useful because I have
Speaker 7: all way more options. True, So group On, if you're listening,
Speaker 7: expand the options in camera.
Speaker 5: Thanks, let us know, we'll work with you, will make
Speaker 5: it happen. Yeah, absolutely, Okay, that's it for me, April.
Speaker 5: I feel like maybe you have a good one, and
Speaker 5: I'm very excited to hear it.
Speaker 7: I do have a good one. So I collect the
Speaker 7: cans at home. My son is nearly seven and he
Speaker 7: told me by a couple of weeks ago, Mum, I
Speaker 7: really want to go to Italy, which I was like,
Speaker 7: how do you even know it exists? It's called geography,
Speaker 7: and so he said, I really want to go to
Speaker 7: Italy and throw a coin in the pond.
Speaker 2: And I was for a.
Speaker 7: Second, also not knowing much about Italy going in the world.
Speaker 2: Oh, and I said, do you mean the trivia fountain?
Speaker 2: He said, yep, the Trevia fountain.
Speaker 7: Because children never quite say the thing that they're trying
Speaker 7: to say, and I said, okay, well, and I kind
Speaker 7: of looked and I went, what about if we save
Speaker 7: all of these cans and then we take them to
Speaker 7: the return and earn which I knew that he would
Speaker 7: just find that that, you know, whole process really automation.
Speaker 2: Baby, love it.
Speaker 7: We're back at that absolutely, and we'll save all your
Speaker 7: cans and then you get to keep the money. So
Speaker 7: it's your job to collect the cans from around the
Speaker 7: house where I'm alway leaving them after I finish drinking them.
Speaker 7: Collect the cans and we'll take them. So we did that,
Speaker 7: and we returned his first lot of cans and he
Speaker 7: got six dollars fee. So I've told him that it's
Speaker 7: going to take him approximately fifty years to return enough
Speaker 7: cans to get a trip to Italy. What he doesn't
Speaker 7: know is that I'm basing that on a figure that
Speaker 7: includes airfares and accommodation for me and his dad as well,
Speaker 7: probably only twelve and a half years if he wants
Speaker 7: to go on his own. But given that he'll only
Speaker 7: be about nineteen, surely he wants to take his mum
Speaker 7: with him when he's nineteen to Europe. Mum, come on,
Speaker 7: let's go. And so hopefully yes, that will set him
Speaker 7: on the right path to understand about saving. I put
Speaker 7: it into his account, showed him that I'd put it
Speaker 7: in there.
Speaker 2: I was super easy.
Speaker 7: Well, it went to my PayPal and I was like sure,
Speaker 7: I'm like, look, I'm putting that money in for you.
Speaker 7: And so that's his little fortnightly thing that he gets
Speaker 7: to do.
Speaker 5: Very cute. I love that.
Speaker 4: That is very sweet and what a great way to
Speaker 4: teach financial literacy at a young age.
Speaker 2: Thank you, I must say.
Speaker 6: The Italian to me is rolling at a triviy fountain
Speaker 6: being called the pond.
Speaker 2: You're like, ah, it's not.
Speaker 5: That is iconic.
Speaker 4: I actually didn't know it was called that I until
Speaker 4: right now, so I'm seeing you laughing. But I'm also like,
Speaker 4: I totally get where he's coming from. Okay, let's go
Speaker 4: for a really quick break and on the other side,
Speaker 4: we will discuss money dilemma. The money dilemma.
Speaker 5: Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 6: We're doing our special episode with our guest April Helene
Speaker 6: horton the vod Villa.
Speaker 5: Let's take a listen to this week's money dilemma.
Speaker 3: Hi, there, have you got a money dilemma you just
Speaker 3: can't solve the She's on the Money team is here
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Speaker 3: this week's money dilemma.
Speaker 8: Hey girls, for context, I'm a clusterized girlie, a very
Speaker 8: proud one at that. Recently, I went on a trip
Speaker 8: to Balley and noticed that the larger the size, the
Speaker 8: more expensive the item was. I tried not to overreact,
Speaker 8: but when I asked the lady why this was the case,
Speaker 8: she said, it's because they use more fabric. I know
Speaker 8: this isn't the case in Australia. In fact, I'm definitely
Speaker 8: happy with how inclusive sizing is, but the fact I
Speaker 8: had to pay more money purely for my size was
Speaker 8: a concept I find myself fixated on. I went through
Speaker 8: the same cost of living crisis last year as my friends,
Speaker 8: but every time I complained about it, I feel like
Speaker 8: my friends are dismissing it and telling me to move on.
Speaker 8: I guess my dilemma is, how can I communicate the
Speaker 8: fact that this is unfair financially, but also diminishes my
Speaker 8: confidence a bit to my girlfriends.
Speaker 6: Thanks, that would be awful if you were in a
Speaker 6: situation and somebody just said I just feel like, it
Speaker 6: wouldn't feel nice. But I do feel like, and I'm
Speaker 6: you know, I am straight sized, so I can't really
Speaker 6: speak from experience, but I do feel like a lot
Speaker 6: of the time plus sized clothing is priced at a
Speaker 6: higher price point.
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily know it's.
Speaker 6: Tip for tat in the same way that oh, I
Speaker 6: look at this stress and in a size eighteen, it's
Speaker 6: X dollars in the same way that this girl experienced
Speaker 6: in Bali. But I feel like, just as a general
Speaker 6: rule of thumb, often when I do brands, they are priceier.
Speaker 6: But I don't know if that's just my perception of it.
Speaker 4: I mean I kind of feel that as well, because
Speaker 4: I don't know about you guys, But like I used
Speaker 4: to shop at, is it city cheek?
Speaker 5: Is that what it's called? I never knew if it
Speaker 5: was chick or chic.
Speaker 2: I believe it's chic, but then in brackets, except it's not.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that's so embarrassing. I've been telling everyone,
Speaker 4: doesn't they knew who you met? Okay, cool, I hope,
Speaker 4: so sorry everyone out there. But I think because it
Speaker 4: kind of felt a little bit more botique and I
Speaker 4: don't really don't really know how to use that word,
Speaker 4: so I might be saying it incorrectly, but it always
Speaker 4: felt more expensive. But I feel like it was kind
Speaker 4: of like, hey, this is our niche, and this is
Speaker 4: like we're charging more because we're allowed.
Speaker 5: To because this is our niche.
Speaker 4: And so I'd be like, okay, well I don't really
Speaker 4: have an option, so the options. It's the options thing,
Speaker 4: isn't it. It's like, well, if you don't have an option,
Speaker 4: then you kind of have to.
Speaker 5: But I don't know. That's kind of like my experience.
Speaker 4: I know that our listener is asking basically like how
Speaker 4: do we I guess, like portray that or kind of
Speaker 4: explain that to people who haven't had that same experience,
Speaker 4: But it's it's kind of like with everything, like if
Speaker 4: someone hasn't had that same experience as you, it can
Speaker 4: be hard for people to empathize. And so all I
Speaker 4: would say is just literally, in this instance, it is
Speaker 4: a little bit better in you know, say you actually
Speaker 4: have some numbers, you can actually crunch numbers and be like,
Speaker 4: here is actual evidence, Here is actual proof that is
Speaker 4: things are more expensive for me. Sometimes I'm not sure
Speaker 4: if that's always a situation. She did say, it's a
Speaker 4: little bit EASi here in Australia, but if you've got
Speaker 4: the receipts, show them, babe.
Speaker 8: I like that.
Speaker 7: It's like mildly aggressive, but in a cute wait. So
Speaker 7: my experience of this is I have never had that experience. Now,
Speaker 7: what I would probably say is, in a situation where
Speaker 7: you're in valley buying clothes, is it possible you're having
Speaker 7: tailored items, and that you're potentially having a conversation with
Speaker 7: a person who's literally thinking about meters and material because
Speaker 7: you know, if you go to spotlight and you need
Speaker 7: this many, it's this much, and if you need this many,
Speaker 7: it's as much. Now I fully understand the emotional thing
Speaker 7: because I remember there was a brand and I won't
Speaker 7: name them, but a brand that used to charge a
Speaker 7: surpless feet. So it was like, okay, the extra small,
Speaker 7: small medium life. As soon as there's have to be
Speaker 7: an ex involved in there, one two or three x's
Speaker 7: plus twenty dollars so yeah, there were some ballsy nonsense.
Speaker 2: They don't do it anymore, which is why I'm not
Speaker 2: going to name them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, i'll tell you I'm dying today.
Speaker 7: But so they used to charge a different they were
Speaker 7: at a different price point, but like actively so when
Speaker 7: you would drop down the menu, it would change the price.
Speaker 6: Were they like if you went to excess double excess?
Speaker 6: Were they dropping math?
Speaker 7: So they had a base price and then it went
Speaker 7: up from someone so that the math is not mapping.
Speaker 2: So that experience, I do relate to that experience.
Speaker 7: However, that's not something I obviously didn't buy the thing,
Speaker 7: so it's like it's not an experience that I've had.
Speaker 7: I think in defense of the situation in Bali, and
Speaker 7: to reassure this listener that it's not a you problem.
Speaker 7: That is probably you experiencing a person who owns a
Speaker 7: tiny little business covering their costs based on what their
Speaker 7: costs actually are and perhaps not thinking about the broader
Speaker 7: problem of this makes this person feel so and that's
Speaker 7: not great. But I think in the Australian landscape, we've
Speaker 7: got two things happening. You're totally right back that we've
Speaker 7: got limited options. City chic if it, if that is your.
Speaker 6: Real name is at this point in the room with us.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're in danger, and so I think
Speaker 2: they are.
Speaker 7: They wanted to pass themselves off as boutique, and I
Speaker 7: think ten years ago when I was buying clothes from
Speaker 7: them for myself, I got a new corporate job and
Speaker 7: wanted to buy new clothes. I still have some of
Speaker 7: those items. The quality was much higher. Peplum tops they
Speaker 7: are forever.
Speaker 2: They're laughing, but I'm not joking. It's one of the items.
Speaker 7: I was like, I love this top and I don't
Speaker 7: care if other people it's not in fashion, yeah, but
Speaker 7: I like it and when I wear it, you're like,
Speaker 7: oh that's good.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 7: And so I definitely think over time their quality has lowered,
Speaker 7: but their prices have not. And yes, we have more
Speaker 7: options now, you know, places like Big W and your
Speaker 7: other larger departments type stores are stocking a plus range now.
Speaker 7: Because I'm never looking at the size eight range. I
Speaker 7: don't know if I could go, like for like a
Speaker 7: white singlet top and a white singlet top from the whatever,
Speaker 7: the straight sized range, who I don't know them. I
Speaker 7: don't know if I can compare, like for like you're
Speaker 7: something like, you know, a white singlet top or a
Speaker 7: basic from the straight size range, and then go to
Speaker 7: the other section of the store where the plus size
Speaker 7: stuff is because obviously they don't keep them together, wouldn't
Speaker 7: want us mixing, and go, oh, this is this much
Speaker 7: and there's a difference. But the reality is that, yes,
Speaker 7: it's not just about the price point, although that's key
Speaker 7: and part of that feeling around when we're talking economically,
Speaker 7: this person's experiencing a more significant impact in a cost
Speaker 7: of living crisis, but also the fact that you're only
Speaker 7: limited because this person has the option for a white
Speaker 7: one of black on, a brown on, a gray one,
Speaker 7: a blue on, pink on, and yellow and you get.
Speaker 2: White or black. Yeah, that's so true. And I'm kind
Speaker 2: of like, well, what if I want to be cute
Speaker 2: and colorful? Yeah, never mind, I guess.
Speaker 7: And so I think there are some brands that are
Speaker 7: doing it better, some brands that are not doing it
Speaker 7: well at all. One of the other key things And
Speaker 7: I know I mentioned this brand earlier, Vagary is a
Speaker 7: really great brand who they really are super inclusive. But
Speaker 7: also I know that I've got a friend Katie full disclosure,
Speaker 7: she is my friend who earns Ecklestone the label, and
Speaker 7: she released her clothing range last year and she's been
Speaker 7: really great, like in conversations with girlies talking about costs
Speaker 7: and all of that type of stuff. She's someone who
Speaker 7: I've learned a lot from about how it kind of
Speaker 7: works and about having a certain number of sizes to
Speaker 7: run before you can start. So we have lots of
Speaker 7: businesses who talk about the costs of keeping plus size
Speaker 7: clothing on their racks, and I think that the reality
Speaker 7: is that if you want to do it, you can.
Speaker 7: If they wanted to, they would, yeah, And I think
Speaker 7: for this person, our listener who's having that experience, my
Speaker 7: recommendation really would be to look for those brands that
Speaker 7: want you there and try to focus on finding clothes
Speaker 7: that you love and that you're going to have in
Speaker 7: your wardrobe for a long time, because you will pay
Speaker 7: more for really great clothes and are made by brands
Speaker 7: that love all bodies and especially fat bodies, but the
Speaker 7: likelihood that they will last longer and be pieces that
Speaker 7: you will look back on in your wardrobe over and
Speaker 7: over again.
Speaker 2: I know that it's really hard.
Speaker 7: It's not getting easier to be a fat person buying
Speaker 7: fashion because yes, we have more options, but we still
Speaker 7: have to face you know, we've reached the kind of
Speaker 7: end of the life cycle of the fashion body positivity season.
Speaker 7: I feel like it's going out.
Speaker 6: Everyone's saying we spoke about it, We mentioned this at
Speaker 6: some point. I remember when it was on the show.
Speaker 6: The Kate Moss vibe is back.
Speaker 7: Here the heroin aesthetic and as a person who didn't
Speaker 7: want to wear low rise Janes the first time. It's
Speaker 7: a hard note for me, I am, and so I
Speaker 7: think for our listener, big hugs, it is hard.
Speaker 2: The size on the tag doesn't matter.
Speaker 7: You are entitled to want to have fashion, and I
Speaker 7: think our focus really needs to change away from I
Speaker 7: suppose trying to fit clothes and finding clothes that fit us.
Speaker 7: If your friends can't get on board with that, get
Speaker 7: new friends.
Speaker 5: That's what I was going to say.
Speaker 6: Is the thing I think that I did mention is
Speaker 6: like the friend situation, and I feel like your friend
Speaker 6: should be empathetic to your situation.
Speaker 7: I think not being able to relate to something isn't
Speaker 7: a good reason not to care about it.
Speaker 6: And it's like, as you were saying back, like you
Speaker 6: have the receipts. You can literally say here's the difference,
Speaker 6: here's the issue. You can see it visually. I guess,
Speaker 6: as you were saying in the landscape in Australia, it's
Speaker 6: not just overseas. And if your friend is making you
Speaker 6: feel bad about that, I would say that they don't
Speaker 6: sound like a very good friend.
Speaker 5: Ye, to be honest, agreed.
Speaker 7: One of my other things that I've been doing is
Speaker 7: so I made I went on a no new fashion promise.
Speaker 2: So one January.
Speaker 7: I don't really do resolutions, but when I moved house
Speaker 7: and I saw how many clothes I've got, and I
Speaker 7: don't know if either of you have seen on my
Speaker 7: Insta when I posted those stories, it's literally it's literally
Speaker 7: a wardrobe that was built for two adults because it's
Speaker 7: in like I've got the main bedroom and it is
Speaker 7: a full walking room and it goes all the way
Speaker 7: Oh no, that's a winnow, all the way down, all
Speaker 7: the way down.
Speaker 2: I've got stuff stored at the top in the drawers.
Speaker 7: And here I have more clothes than any human person
Speaker 7: will ever need.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I just was like, this is actually ridiculous.
Speaker 7: And also what I got rid of that I was like, oh,
Speaker 7: I don't know if I love that, I've got more
Speaker 7: than ten bags of stuff that I'm going to I'm
Speaker 7: actually gonna say on consignment, which is exactly we love well,
Speaker 7: because I was just, you know, I thought, am I
Speaker 7: actually ever going to sell these in my own closet sale?
Speaker 2: No I'm not.
Speaker 7: But realistically speaking, if this person who has a business
Speaker 7: doing that, the lovely Maria from the Fat Section in
Speaker 7: the Southern Highlands in New South Wales, I was like, babe,
Speaker 7: you take them, you sell them, give me a little
Speaker 7: chuck a few dollars my way, because at this point
Speaker 7: it's literally zero dollars. It's worth zero to me in
Speaker 7: a bag in my wardrobe, in my garage. Yeah, and
Speaker 7: so I'm going to sell those, but I've also promised
Speaker 7: myself I'm not buying any new fashion. So the only
Speaker 7: thing I'm purchasing from clothing and apparel stores is replacement
Speaker 7: basics like underwear, single it tops, that kind of stuff,
Speaker 7: and not buying anything new for the entire year.
Speaker 5: I love that I saw.
Speaker 6: I don't remember the exact details of where I saw it,
Speaker 6: and so this is probably not that helpful, but I
Speaker 6: remember seeing someone posting about the amount of water and
Speaker 6: electricity and stuff that it takes for somebody to add
Speaker 6: a new piece to their closet. Yes, and they're like,
Speaker 6: then multiply that by the fact that you're getting a
Speaker 6: new outfit for you know, every event or you dress,
Speaker 6: go out or whatever it is. And then the amount
Speaker 6: of just resources that we're all taking by consuming and
Speaker 6: a lot of the time we're consuming fast fashion, which
Speaker 6: I am not judging because I know that, you know,
Speaker 6: price point is important to people, and not everyone can
Speaker 6: afford to invest in expensive things at the moment. But
Speaker 6: the fact that like our default is I'll just go
Speaker 6: buy a ten dollar top, and the drain that that
Speaker 6: has on like our resources and the impact on our planet,
Speaker 6: Like we've had the hottest January on record in the
Speaker 6: history of the world. And like I know that you
Speaker 6: just go, oh, hot weather, like great, I love the things.
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I way awake at not thinking about it,
Speaker 2: But yeah, you do, you do you.
Speaker 7: Forget that that is actually a direct impact, Like when
Speaker 7: you think, oh my god, I'm so hot, I can't
Speaker 7: I'm sweating to death, that you actually look, does the
Speaker 7: consumer on an individual basis have the ability to completely
Speaker 7: change this, No, but do we all have the ability
Speaker 7: to slightly change our behavior to make a small impact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also agree that we need.
Speaker 7: To you know, I don't think we want to be
Speaker 7: shaming people about what they're able to afford, but also
Speaker 7: really changing people's perception of views around fast fashion because
Speaker 7: the amount of resources it consuues to create the fashion,
Speaker 7: the amount of landfill, the lack of ethics in the
Speaker 7: supply chain. I do think we need to be asking
Speaker 7: ourselves not so much whether they should reconsider spending more money.
Speaker 2: That's the whole point.
Speaker 7: We're trying to save money or not be spending money needlessly.
Speaker 7: Do I actually need to buy this? And so that's
Speaker 7: where I landed as someone who has pieces in my
Speaker 7: wardrobe from City Cheek, as I said, which they are
Speaker 7: technically fast.
Speaker 2: Fashioned in terms of how it's produced in that kind
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 7: And yes, keeping it for a long time does increase
Speaker 7: the sustainability in the sense that it's not in landfill
Speaker 7: and I haven't bought new things to replace it. But
Speaker 7: at the same time, I just looked at my wardrobe
Speaker 7: and I thought, this is all amazing stuff. I can
Speaker 7: shot my wardrobe, And I mean, I know it's only
Speaker 7: what four months into the year, but the amount of
Speaker 7: times I've thought I might it o on a weight
Speaker 7: means that I was consuming at a rate that was
Speaker 7: totally unnecessary. Yeah, And I think for me, that's something
Speaker 7: that I've been really happy to be able to curb.
Speaker 7: And I know that that's not for everyone, and some
Speaker 7: people have really great habits around that stuff. But I
Speaker 7: think when we're talking about consuming fashion and our ability
Speaker 7: to buy clothes that are really beautiful and that fit us,
Speaker 7: that's why I care a lot about supporting brands that
Speaker 7: care about sustainability, brands that care about ethics, and brands
Speaker 7: that care about fat people because all of those demographics
Speaker 7: and all of those considerations have been left out of
Speaker 7: fashion for such a long time. So I think we
Speaker 7: do have the ability to have a significant impact when
Speaker 7: it comes to the climate, which is a feminist issue
Speaker 7: because the people who are most heavily.
Speaker 2: Impacted by the climate crisis are women.
Speaker 7: It is our opportunity to push back brands that we
Speaker 7: know won't name them, but you know who they are,
Speaker 7: who are literally killing the planet. If we push back
Speaker 7: against purchasing from them and we see that they're reducing
Speaker 7: in terms of their production size because they're losing money.
Speaker 7: Then we can have a genuine impact. Our plastic straws
Speaker 7: being eliminated from every cafe on the street going to
Speaker 7: change the world, probably not, potentially causes more problems for
Speaker 7: people with disabilities and things like that. So it's like,
Speaker 7: let's not rush to the individualist solution. Let's try to
Speaker 7: figure out how we actually can change something genuinely, tangibly
Speaker 7: change it with a mindset change.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Do you guys follow Emma Edwards the broke generation?
Speaker 2: I think I do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's in a finance space. She's great.
Speaker 6: But she did a wardrobe pause challenge last year similar
Speaker 6: to you. She bought nothing new. She gave herself a
Speaker 6: few I think, you know, I can replace things if
Speaker 6: they break, you know, hygiene things, underwear, stuff like that.
Speaker 6: Obviously all on the awkward list, but like as a whole,
Speaker 6: no new fashion purchases, and she tracked it throughout the art.
Speaker 6: She succeeded, and it was really interesting because she now
Speaker 6: I believe she does like a challenge where she helps
Speaker 6: other people do the same thing. But she spoke about
Speaker 6: the psychological impact of breaking that habit, kind of like
Speaker 6: what you were saying, and she was saying, it's so interesting,
Speaker 6: like now she thought when she started that she'd get
Speaker 6: to the last day of twenty twenty three and you know,
Speaker 6: Jan Verst be like, get me to the shops, But
Speaker 6: she didn't have that desire because she had broken the
Speaker 6: psychological need to consume in that way. Yeah, which is
Speaker 6: really interesting because you're as you're saying, like it's almost
Speaker 6: a wiring and it's changed the way that you think
Speaker 6: about things. I know that she had an event to
Speaker 6: go to. I remember seeing and she sowd an outfit
Speaker 6: because she went and she got some fabric and she
Speaker 6: made it. And I don't think she's a particularly experienced
Speaker 6: sower from what she said, But it was just really
Speaker 6: interesting to be like, there are other options to you
Speaker 6: than going out and just buying like a quick, easy solution,
Speaker 6: you know, Can you shop at secondhand? Can you do
Speaker 6: all of these things? So changing the mindset, I think
Speaker 6: is such a big cornerstone. And if you do still,
Speaker 6: you know, at the end of this year, for you, April,
Speaker 6: if you go, oh, I do like I want to
Speaker 6: buy something new or I want to do that, I
Speaker 6: feel like the psychology of it will have changed. And
Speaker 6: you can do it more mindfully, which is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, And I think also separately a bit related my
Speaker 7: ability to save money by not buying things.
Speaker 2: Well, put it this way, my after pays at zero.
Speaker 6: Queen amazing, delete it well unless you cash flow, which
Speaker 6: is fine I do.
Speaker 7: But also that's my goal is to actually get to
Speaker 7: the point where I've built up my savings, so I
Speaker 7: feel comfortable to delete it feels like a bit of
Speaker 7: a safety net right now.
Speaker 2: Because like I don't totally fair. Yeah, so my outter.
Speaker 7: Pays at zero and I'm able to go, oh, I'm
Speaker 7: going to save so much money.
Speaker 2: That's really great.
Speaker 7: So that mindset shift around what I value. I think
Speaker 7: also because I get a little dope mean hit from
Speaker 7: looking at my savings account balance instead of from that
Speaker 7: order received notification. But at the same time buying something new,
Speaker 7: I think I'm not ruling it out. I'm just I
Speaker 7: think taking the year off because I genuinely have so
Speaker 7: many flip and clothes like I don't I don't actually
Speaker 7: need to buy anything, but also trying really hard not
Speaker 7: to push that onto other people.
Speaker 2: When some's like I.
Speaker 7: Want to buy something new, I heard myself say, you
Speaker 7: don't need anything to this person.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, you are like one of those.
Speaker 7: People who like that quit smoking in coughs at people,
Speaker 7: or you know, gives up gluten and then starts telling
Speaker 7: everyone that gluten's going to kill you, which like in
Speaker 7: some people's case it might, but like just relax, okay,
Speaker 7: So yeah, trying to not make it my whole personality. Yeah,
Speaker 7: but also being really like just really sticking to that value.
Speaker 7: And I think for me, I hope to say out
Speaker 7: the whole year and have stuck to it because I
Speaker 7: think also I never stick to anything.
Speaker 2: So I'm just being really proud of myself being like
Speaker 2: I did that.
Speaker 5: Are you a document on social I think a little bit.
Speaker 7: I wanted to really get I think, get into it
Speaker 7: and be able to show a tangible difference, like so
Speaker 7: to be able to go, oh, I've actually I can
Speaker 7: tell you how much I saved based on I like data.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 7: I was telling you a story right before we started
Speaker 7: recording about how I used to take I used to
Speaker 7: buy lunch at work all the time in coffees. Buying
Speaker 7: coffees is my favorite activity, and so I worked out
Speaker 7: that I was spending I spent thirteen hundred and nineteen
Speaker 7: dollars last year on coffees and lunches, and I don't
Speaker 7: even work full time in the office, Like, what is
Speaker 7: actually happening?
Speaker 5: Does that make you feel crazy?
Speaker 7: I was just like, oh my god, that would be
Speaker 7: in my savings account if I hadn't done that. And
Speaker 7: then I had a conversation with a friend and it
Speaker 7: was payday. So you're always feeling a little loosy. And
Speaker 7: I'd gone so far like that whole time, not buying
Speaker 7: a coffee, and she said to me, She's like, well,
Speaker 7: I'll buy you one because I made a joke. I
Speaker 7: was like, I didn't say I wasn't drinking coffee. I
Speaker 7: said I wasn't paying for it.
Speaker 2: Very savvy.
Speaker 7: But she said, well, I'll share your coffee because I've
Speaker 7: convinced you to come and stand in the coffee line
Speaker 7: with me. I'll buy your coffee, which I think is nice.
Speaker 7: It's the way I iced to do a nice thing.
Speaker 7: And she said, have you found it? I said, I
Speaker 7: do miss the ritual of coming to do it, but
Speaker 7: I've actually found it's been good. I've been drinking more
Speaker 7: water because I'm not drinking coffee. And then we had
Speaker 7: a conversation about this sort of all or nothing attitude
Speaker 7: towards stuff, and.
Speaker 2: She said, well, what about if you bought a coffee like.
Speaker 7: Only once a fortnight, which I think she was just
Speaker 7: angling towards the fact that we worked together in the
Speaker 7: office on the day that's usually pay day, which is
Speaker 7: once a fortnight. I was like, I say, were you
Speaker 7: go on strategic Queen? And I said, well, I did
Speaker 7: the mats on my phone. I'd worked out it was
Speaker 7: twenty seven dollars a week that I had wasted spent
Speaker 7: on lunches that I could have brought and coffees that
Speaker 7: I could have not drank because really, like it's.
Speaker 2: Decaf, I'm not even getting caffeinated from it. What's the
Speaker 2: point it's hot milk? And I worked out it'd be
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty two dollars for the whole year.
Speaker 2: Oh okay if I just bought one a fortnight.
Speaker 7: And I thought, okay, so it's not a commitment that
Speaker 7: I go, Oh, I can never. I've sworn off this
Speaker 7: forever and if I do it, I have to go
Speaker 7: out the back and give myself an upper cut. It's
Speaker 7: now I can go. What's my limit I'm changing the
Speaker 7: way I'm doing this thing. So again, by that same token,
Speaker 7: if you've decided that you just kind of stopped buying
Speaker 7: fast fashion and you're only going to invest in sustainable fashion,
Speaker 7: that's a mindset shift that will over time save you money,
Speaker 7: and you forgot about it.
Speaker 5: So it's like, hey, we love that. That actually was
Speaker 5: on my in's list op shopping, So thank you.
Speaker 2: So much late.
Speaker 1: Sorry.
Speaker 7: Also, I think I pretty much talked ninety five percent
Speaker 7: of this whole episode, Pols.
Speaker 5: I love it. It is very very very oh, thank
Speaker 5: you so much.
Speaker 2: Well, it was about money, so at least it was
Speaker 2: on topic.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and I think the conversation around fashion and finance
Speaker 6: and the impact like it's very relevant to us, Like
Speaker 6: it's something that I genuinely like find so interesting.
Speaker 4: Hopefully the people listening to you, Okay, guys, are we
Speaker 4: ready for a juicy DM?
Speaker 5: Absolutely? Okay, here we go.
Speaker 4: So from one listener they say, I'm going on a
Speaker 4: vak with my girlfriend in brackets euro summer. We love that,
Speaker 4: which is our winter? Isn't it so great? Get out
Speaker 4: of here? Escape? And as we get further into the planning,
Speaker 4: I can see we are financially going on too very
Speaker 4: different holidays. We were so keen on the idea of Europe.
Speaker 4: We kind of skipped talking about our budgets. I see,
Speaker 4: I have saved for a long time to go on
Speaker 4: this trip, but it seems like she wants hostels whereas
Speaker 4: I want hotels are a bit nicer. She wants to
Speaker 4: go on to train for fifteen hours because it is cheap,
Speaker 4: but I'll happily spend more money to do a two
Speaker 4: hour flight to make it more convenient. I'm keen to
Speaker 4: book fancy dinners, but she wants to spend no more
Speaker 4: than forty dollars on dinner. That's still kind of expensive though. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I've luki got the ig from traveling with her now.
Speaker 4: There isn't anything wrong with the way she wants to
Speaker 4: do it, It's just not where I'm at. How do
Speaker 4: I say to her that I want to enjoy myself
Speaker 4: and financially we won't be the best travel buddies. She's
Speaker 4: so keen on going together, but would rather go solo
Speaker 4: and not have to compromise my trip.
Speaker 6: I want to say our listener has a very healthy perspective.
Speaker 6: I appreciate that she's not expecting her friend to come
Speaker 6: up to not being like she's a tired ass.
Speaker 5: Why can't we spend sixty billion dollars on dinner?
Speaker 1: Late?
Speaker 6: Because I think we've spoken about this before in the
Speaker 6: sense that it's okay if you want to travel differently
Speaker 6: to your friends, like if you want to do it
Speaker 6: super budget and you just want the experience and you
Speaker 6: just want to see the place, that is so fine.
Speaker 6: If you think this is a once in a lifetime
Speaker 6: trip and I really want to spend money and I
Speaker 6: want to live it up and I that's a value
Speaker 6: to me, is also fine. But I think it's not
Speaker 6: fine to expect people to change to suit you in
Speaker 6: that sense, Like you can't expect your friend who doesn't
Speaker 6: have a lot of money to spend a lot And
Speaker 6: if your friend with who doesn't want to spend a
Speaker 6: lot of money doesn't necessarily need to expect you to
Speaker 6: spend not a lot either. Yeah, so I think like
Speaker 6: her perspective is very healthy. I think literally just say
Speaker 6: to her what you said to us, Like, I think
Speaker 6: it's as simple as that, just saying, hey, I think
Speaker 6: that it looks like we want to spend different amounts,
Speaker 6: which is totally fine. I really want them to feel
Speaker 6: like you're not shaming them for, you know, not wanting
Speaker 6: or having the money to spend, because that's not a
Speaker 6: good feeling for anybody, but just saying that I really
Speaker 6: want to live it up. I want to spend a
Speaker 6: lot of money. It feels like maybe you want to
Speaker 6: do it more budget friendly. I think maybe we just
Speaker 6: kind of split off and do the trips the way
Speaker 6: we want to do the trips, and that's totally fine,
Speaker 6: and hopefully that's the end of the conversation.
Speaker 7: I think also, and I obviously not knowing how old
Speaker 7: this person is, I don't have a good sense of
Speaker 7: where they are in terms of is this a long friendship?
Speaker 2: Is is someone you've known your whole life, or someone.
Speaker 7: That you don't feel comfortable having this conversation with because
Speaker 7: you don't know them as well as you know your
Speaker 7: oldest friend. It is a really important part of adolt
Speaker 7: friendships learning to have hard conversations about things. And I
Speaker 7: say that as someone who has struggled but managed to
Speaker 7: have some really really difficult conversations with friends about you know,
Speaker 7: balancing time together when we're in the same city because
Speaker 7: we don't really live in the same city and about
Speaker 7: doing what I want to do rather than making time
Speaker 7: to do what she'd like to be doing, or that
Speaker 7: she would like to spend time with me, And I go,
Speaker 7: she just really want to have the night by myself. Yeah,
Speaker 7: which you know past me would have really struggled. So
Speaker 7: I definitely relate to this. I agree that you should
Speaker 7: just have an upfront conversation about the fact that I've.
Speaker 2: Saved a really long time.
Speaker 7: One thing I was thinking as I was listening to
Speaker 7: this was, is the person who wants to spend less
Speaker 7: hoping that they're going to spend less still by sharing
Speaker 7: accommodation sharing, travel sharing through And if that's the case, like,
Speaker 7: are you impacting that person's ability to go on the
Speaker 7: trip at all if you don't share, Because if that's
Speaker 7: the case, that's still a conversation you need to have
Speaker 7: because maybe it's not your owsummer to.
Speaker 2: Four for them.
Speaker 7: Yes, because at the end of the day, it is
Speaker 7: your trip you've saved for, and it's exciting to share
Speaker 7: something with someone like that. I'd love the idea of
Speaker 7: going on a trip like that and being able to
Speaker 7: look back and go, oh my god, look remember when
Speaker 7: we went to the.
Speaker 2: You know, the trivia fountain.
Speaker 7: But if you're not traveling as a couple and so
Speaker 7: you have different ones and you have an agreed that
Speaker 7: you're going to share accommodation, because for me, that's that's
Speaker 7: actually a hard no. I really don't like the idea
Speaker 7: of traveling solo with just one other person and sharing
Speaker 7: a room because you never have any space. I travel
Speaker 7: with girlfriends quite regularly, but there's a group of us,
Speaker 7: there's seven of us, and we'll often look for ways
Speaker 7: to save money by going, oh, if we share a
Speaker 7: room or a bed, depending we can save money, and we.
Speaker 2: Look at you know, what's going to work better.
Speaker 7: But on our most recent trip, I was like, sorry,
Speaker 7: it's hot, we're in brizzy. I actually don't want to share,
Speaker 7: so sorry, Well, I just know I won't have a
Speaker 7: good sleep, I won't have a good time trip ruin
Speaker 7: what's the point? And it wasn't a hard conversation because
Speaker 7: we're all really good friends, but also because we had
Speaker 7: been frank and been talking about the budget upfront, so
Speaker 7: it wasn't a big deal. But I think for this
Speaker 7: person having that conversation first assessing what's going to be
Speaker 7: the outcome of this conversation, is this person going to
Speaker 7: be upset because I might have totally ruined their whole
Speaker 7: plan to go to Europe. If that's the case, and
Speaker 7: you want to be able to compromise a little bit,
Speaker 7: maybe you offer to do certain legs of the trip
Speaker 7: together and then you split off and then you come back. So,
Speaker 7: for example, that fifteen hours she's gonna be on the train,
Speaker 7: you'd be there early. Do you think what you want
Speaker 7: to do and then say and then I will meet you.
Speaker 7: And so that person might spend one night on their own,
Speaker 7: in their own accommodation.
Speaker 2: But then it's like, but then we can go.
Speaker 7: We could go to a hotel, and so you get
Speaker 7: what you want, but you compromise will saying I'll share
Speaker 7: with you, we'll get a twin room, and that person
Speaker 7: has to just bump up a tiny bit and then you.
Speaker 2: Come down a little bit.
Speaker 7: It is about compromise, but also it's kind of not
Speaker 7: If you don't want to go with them, maybe just
Speaker 7: make that choice and think about if the outcome of
Speaker 7: this conversation is that I lose this friendship over.
Speaker 2: This trip, that's not great. But is that a symptom
Speaker 2: or is that an.
Speaker 7: Indication of a bigger problem that you don't feel like
Speaker 7: you can communicate you needs with your friend, because then
Speaker 7: actually that's an issue that's totally separate to your Europe trip.
Speaker 2: Either way, I.
Speaker 7: Hope that it's a really fun trip. I totally relate
Speaker 7: to being the person that wants to have the more
Speaker 7: bouge experience, although I am the person with the budget.
Speaker 2: So anyway, that's a problem for next year.
Speaker 7: When I try to go to Europe on my can money,
Speaker 7: and so I think definitely, I don't think that this
Speaker 7: person should compromise on the trip of their dreams. But
Speaker 7: if they can see their way to going, I can
Speaker 7: find some middle ground in some parts of it that
Speaker 7: won't ruin it for me but will help this person
Speaker 7: have a great time.
Speaker 2: Then go with that, Go with what works. But at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, this is your dream. Do
Speaker 2: what you want to do.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I was going to say a very very
Speaker 4: similar thing, but I do. I often get confused by
Speaker 4: this in like the regular world, where people say girlfriend.
Speaker 4: I don't know someone with a literal girlfriend. I'm like,
Speaker 4: are you actually talking about your girlfriend or you' talk
Speaker 4: about your friend? Because if they're talking about their girlfriend.
Speaker 4: I'm like, this whole thing is like changing my lids,
Speaker 4: you know, So it could be their girlfriend, in which
Speaker 4: case I'd be like, you can if you've kind of
Speaker 4: planned this thing together, it's kind of like being to
Speaker 4: be a romantic thing. But let's say for the sake
Speaker 4: of this DM and this conversation, they're just regular friends.
Speaker 4: My mind is exactly where your mind is at, April,
Speaker 4: and I'm thinking, yeah, like a nice little hybrid or
Speaker 4: just having this exact conversation with them. I'm a big
Speaker 4: fan of like thinking or like kind of not reading
Speaker 4: into but like seeing certain things that could be symptomatic
Speaker 4: exactly as you said, April, of something bigger. So if
Speaker 4: it is does seem like it's a conversation that's hard
Speaker 4: to have or it might literally ruin a friendship, that
Speaker 4: might be something that you'd have to consider as well.
Speaker 4: I know it's separate to the travel thing, but if
Speaker 4: you're planning a trip with someone and you or your
Speaker 4: friend are not willing to compromise in any way, like
Speaker 4: you can see that you're both on different journeys and
Speaker 4: that's totally fine, no one's in the wrong here, then yeah,
Speaker 4: they might be if you are worried that it'll be uncomfortable, awkward,
Speaker 4: or someone will be mad or I can definitely see
Speaker 4: I guess it like depends you didn't really mention like
Speaker 4: how long they've been planning it for hay, so.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but not having the conversation up front could ruin
Speaker 7: the trip. So then you've wasted you.
Speaker 6: And there's nothing worse than being on a trip with
Speaker 6: someone and just hating your life as well, Like there's
Speaker 6: nothing worse, especially somewhere as expensive as Europe, that would
Speaker 6: be awful.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think what I would actively discourage is lying
Speaker 7: to this.
Speaker 5: Person about it totally, totally.
Speaker 2: So don't don't.
Speaker 7: Suddenly say I've decided I'm not going to go and
Speaker 7: then secretly go or don't or my sister said she
Speaker 7: wants to come, so now like, don't don't do that.
Speaker 7: Have a frank conversation with this person if you respect
Speaker 7: them enough to reach out and ask for advice, and
Speaker 7: you know, if you if you have I think the
Speaker 7: opportunity to say to them like I really respect this
Speaker 7: and you know, yeah, maybe offering to say I want
Speaker 7: to do all of this and I know you can
Speaker 7: only for to do this.
Speaker 2: I'll meet you in Greece. Yeah, shout you a drink.
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally. I think that's a great, great, great idea.
Speaker 2: Oh, so let's all go to Greece.
Speaker 7: I love going somewhere warm iment Right, So what.
Speaker 5: Time are we leaving time out? What did everybody else say?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Also, the other thing is your summer is a little
Speaker 4: while away, so you still have plenty of time to
Speaker 4: make this not uncomfortable. Okay, So let's see what the
Speaker 4: community had to say. So the first question we asked
Speaker 4: was if you had a similar experience when traveling with
Speaker 4: a friend. Forty six percent of you said yes, and
Speaker 4: fifty four percent of you said no. It's a pretty
Speaker 4: close split. It's a pretty good split. Next question we asked,
Speaker 4: if yes, what ended up happening. Twenty six percent of
Speaker 4: you said we traveled together and it was a disaster.
Speaker 2: No, so many people to have a terrible time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a real shame.
Speaker 4: Fifty four percent of you said we both compromised to
Speaker 4: make the trip work, and twenty one percent of you
Speaker 4: said we decided it was best we don't go together.
Speaker 7: That's interesting and I think i'd be keen to find
Speaker 7: out from the fifty four percent. And how did that God,
Speaker 7: did you secretly feel yourself in the twenty six percent?
Speaker 7: You know, I think it would be really interesting to
Speaker 7: know that. But I think that's a really good indication
Speaker 7: of what we've just said in the three viewpoints that
Speaker 7: we've kind of had it, which is you should try
Speaker 7: to maybe compromise a little bit, but not too much.
Speaker 4: So yes, exactly exactly. And the next thing we asked was,
Speaker 4: if you were traveling with a friend, what's the first
Speaker 4: thing you would decide on. Fifty eight percent of you
Speaker 4: said budget, and then pick location based off of that,
Speaker 4: and forty two percent of you said location, talk budget
Speaker 4: later on, which is interesting, chicken or egg?
Speaker 1: Egg?
Speaker 5: Exactly what would you do? What would you think?
Speaker 7: I actually answered this question, and I'm a budget first. Yeah,
Speaker 7: but I learned that lesson the hard way by making plans,
Speaker 7: not specifically trouble plans, but in the past, making a
Speaker 7: plan that was all about what I wanted to happen
Speaker 7: at the end, and then reverse engineering a budget and realizing.
Speaker 2: I didn't happen of money.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And so I think that I've learned the lesson
Speaker 7: now that talk budget, because you immediately know whether you're
Speaker 7: traveling five kilometers fifty kmes a five thousand.
Speaker 4: Clock Totally, totally, I absolutely agree with that. It's like
Speaker 4: saying let's go to Gimlet, which is a very expensive
Speaker 4: restaurant here in Melbourne for those who don't know, but
Speaker 4: only having twenty dollars on your person.
Speaker 7: And this kind of reminds me of that TikTok I
Speaker 7: saw a few months back where that guy was saying
Speaker 7: he wanted to go to a friend's birthday thing and
Speaker 7: they were doing dinner then drinks, and he didn't want
Speaker 7: to go to the dinner because the entree was like
Speaker 7: forty dollars, so he said he'd agree and meet for drinks,
Speaker 7: and apparently it caused a big blow up with him
Speaker 7: and his friend. And so I'm kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I I aspire to be the person that only comes
Speaker 7: to drinks and doesn't spend forty dollars on it on trade,
Speaker 7: but yeah, I can't help myself because I get fomo,
Speaker 7: And so yeah, I definitely think that talking about like
Speaker 7: comparing restaurants and other types of experiences, what's the compromise.
Speaker 7: This person thought they were doing a great job of
Speaker 7: compromising by saying I'll just come for drinks, but sometimes
Speaker 7: that can cause an issue to having a conversation is
Speaker 7: the only answer. Yeah, we got another question.
Speaker 4: Well then we asked for your two cents. So someone
Speaker 4: said I would send this message to the girlfriend. She's understanding,
Speaker 4: she will understand, which I totally agree. And that's what
Speaker 4: you were saying, Jess, like basically say everything you said
Speaker 4: to us, but to her.
Speaker 5: Yeah, see how that goes down. Someone else said, be
Speaker 5: straight up.
Speaker 4: They might be embarrassed otherwise, which I can understand definitely,
Speaker 4: Like if you're like, you know, your budget is a
Speaker 4: bit low, it might come across as like maybe you're
Speaker 4: being shamed because you just don't have to travel, which
Speaker 4: it is definitely like a delicate one because having been there,
Speaker 4: and I feel like, you know, maybe the people in
Speaker 4: this room as well, have been in a situation where
Speaker 4: you can't really afford things and you kind of feel
Speaker 4: you shame yourself first, and to have that someone else
Speaker 4: kind of come and say, hey, Bee, because you can't
Speaker 4: afford X y Z, I don't want to do this
Speaker 4: with you, it can be you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think maybe the approach is I'm worried that, like,
Speaker 7: you know, I think if you want to expand a
Speaker 7: little bit on the part where they said they're worried
Speaker 7: about this certain thing, use an actual experience. I'm worried
Speaker 7: that we might go to dinner and then I'm going
Speaker 7: to order a big meal and you you're not gonna
Speaker 7: want to order anything.
Speaker 2: You're gonna order something small.
Speaker 7: I don't want you to have a bad time, but
Speaker 7: I really don't want to have to not have something
Speaker 7: nice because I've saved for a really long time to
Speaker 7: have this. So what I want to figure out with
Speaker 7: you is how can we maybe plan the trip that
Speaker 7: means that I can still do all the boogie things
Speaker 7: I want to do, and that maybe we meet up
Speaker 7: at the end, Like, I think, have a plan of
Speaker 7: what you think might work, because if you have a
Speaker 7: sense of this person's budget, you might actually know, and
Speaker 7: if you've also got an itinery kind of half cooked,
Speaker 7: you might know where you're planning to be and what
Speaker 7: places they're Like, I really want to go to Prague,
Speaker 7: but I don't really care about going to insert the
Speaker 7: name of another European country.
Speaker 2: I mean in Europe. Can't tell. And I think that
Speaker 2: I think actually come up with a solution.
Speaker 7: Yeah, don't go with I don't want to I think
Speaker 7: be clear about what you do want and then what
Speaker 7: you think the solution might be. Because you've identified issue
Speaker 7: very corporatives.
Speaker 4: Someone else said, don't did your friend find the compromise?
Speaker 4: Hostiles are an amazing way to meet people. That is
Speaker 4: so true, But some people.
Speaker 5: I would not do a hofestyle. That's it. I personally
Speaker 5: I love a hostel.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll go together one day you can experience that.
Speaker 6: I just it's a safe like I know that many Actually,
Speaker 6: when I went to the UK with f D, we
Speaker 6: stayed in a hostel.
Speaker 5: We had a private room because it was five of us.
Speaker 5: So like that I'm fine with.
Speaker 6: But I just I get very scared when I don't
Speaker 6: know people and say, like a hostel for me, it doesn't.
Speaker 7: Worry whereas you can imagine, I'd just be rolling in
Speaker 7: hot and like everyone, I would run in the.
Speaker 2: Hostel by the time.
Speaker 4: And then lastly, someone else said, it's the girlfriend. I'd compromise,
Speaker 4: do a bit of both, or stay longer and do
Speaker 4: your stuff when they're gone, which I think is exactly
Speaker 4: what you're saying, April, and just really honestly, just be open, honest,
Speaker 4: try and find a way to work around it. Maybe
Speaker 4: create a hybrid of both holiday ideas and everyone will
Speaker 4: have a lovely time. But just make sure you all
Speaker 4: have fun and everything is open.
Speaker 5: Honest end, what are we.
Speaker 2: Talking about now? I mean these still.
Speaker 5: Apply, still apply everywhere.
Speaker 4: Make sure there's after care and informed consent for your
Speaker 4: own trips to inform consent exactly, enthusiastic consent, ideally.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 4: I think it's a really good place to leave it.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much April for joining us. I had
Speaker 4: so much fun.
Speaker 5: Yes, And if we want to find you, where can
Speaker 5: they find you?
Speaker 7: I am at the Mozilla on Instagram and I guess
Speaker 7: if you find me there, you can find me anywhere.
Speaker 4: Incredible, amazing, all right, Victoria will see you guys on
Speaker 4: Monday for a money diary.
Speaker 5: Until then, have a lovely weekend. See you later. Bye.
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