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Speaker 1: Hello, my name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yor

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Speaker 1: the Order Kerni Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before

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Speaker 1: we get started on She's on the Money podcast, I

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Speaker 1: would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land

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Speaker 1: of which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country,

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Speaker 1: acknowledging the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming through.

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Speaker 1: As this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and

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Speaker 1: the storytelling of you to make a difference for today

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Speaker 1: and lasting impact for tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.

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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the cast

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Speaker 4: of people who want financial freedom. Today's Friday, which means

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Speaker 4: it's time to get the team together and celebrate you

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Speaker 4: the incredible She's on the Money community. Today we'll be

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Speaker 4: sharing our favorite money wins. We'll be helping to answer

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Speaker 4: a juicy money dilemma which this week is all about

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Speaker 4: inclusive sizing and the varying prices, and we unpack something

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Speaker 4: you slid into our dms about which this week is

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Speaker 4: all about when you're traveling with a friend and you

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Speaker 4: realize that your budgets may not align.

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Speaker 5: This one's gonna be juicy. I'm very excited for it.

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Speaker 6: I know, I can't wait, Beck And today is very

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Speaker 6: exciting because we are joined by a very well loved

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Speaker 6: friend of the show. You guys have probably heard from

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Speaker 6: her before if you came to our book tour last

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Speaker 6: last year.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say, it's been longer than that.

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Speaker 6: Twenty twenty two, I think is when we realized we

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Speaker 6: have the beautiful April joining us. You might know us

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Speaker 6: as the Bodzilla April.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Hello, how are you voting?

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Speaker 6: Hi? I'm so excited to have you here because anyone

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Speaker 6: who has listened to that episode, because we did record

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Speaker 6: the podcast that you joined us for, knows that you

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Speaker 6: are just such a ray of sunshine.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you. I think that was one of the

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Speaker 2: most fun nights. We really just had the best time.

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Speaker 2: It was loose, lots of lots of pass on and

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Speaker 2: off stage. I feel hundi of percent now. April. Some

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Speaker 2: of you may know her. She's a body acceptance and

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Speaker 2: fat positive lady. In addition, she is a writer, she's

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Speaker 2: a podcaster, she's a public speaker.

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Speaker 5: She works in corporate.

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Speaker 6: Comm she doesn't she do all Literally, I can't think

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Speaker 6: of a single thing, and she's one of the funniest

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Speaker 6: humans I've ever met.

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Speaker 5: As well. Do you want to tell everyone a little

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Speaker 5: bit about yourself?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Sure, absolutely, Well, I mean, aside from all of those things,

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Speaker 2: I guess I would also say I'm a mum, and

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Speaker 2: so that takes up, you know, a fair bit of time,

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Speaker 2: and that's the stuff you kind of don't see. That's

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Speaker 2: really you know, I suppose when you look at what

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Speaker 2: people post online versus what is actually happening in their life,

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Speaker 2: sometimes you don't have to share everything. And so for me, yeah,

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Speaker 2: being a mom is a big part of that. But

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Speaker 2: I get to travel a lot and spend a lot

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Speaker 2: of time doing cool things like this, and that's I

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Speaker 2: think that's really fun because it lets my child see

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Speaker 2: that parents also have a life outside of parenting, which

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Speaker 2: is a really important thing for them to see. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I definitely think I would. I'll take all those

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Speaker 2: titles write up first, and why not. Absolutely, I'm here,

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Speaker 2: I've got headphones on. I don't think you can really

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Speaker 5: Now, is she in her money era?

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Speaker 1: This?

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Speaker 2: I am in my money era?

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Speaker 6: Very exciting. Before we get into it, how's everybody's week

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Speaker 6: this week?

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Speaker 5: April? You go first?

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Speaker 2: Please oh me, how was my week? Well, it's been great.

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Speaker 2: So I spent the weekend in Brisbane with a bunch

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Speaker 2: of my gal pals. We were at a cute little

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Speaker 2: pier event for a brand that we love, Yes, the

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Speaker 2: Gordeous Inclusive clothing brand, and then.

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Speaker 2: The beautiful Rachel just honestly, it's floey, it's beautiful. I'm obsessed.

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Speaker 2: And also it's fun because Rachel told U story about

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Speaker 5: I mean, not what you want to hear as a

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Speaker 2: I had someone slide into my DMS and say because

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Speaker 2: who ha. I said, well, the clothes a light and

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Speaker 5: Of vat Yeah, absolutely, which was not where.

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Speaker 2: I expected any of those versations to go. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then you know, back to work midweek and now

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Speaker 2: I'm here on my day off because we love a

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Speaker 6: Oh I'm so excited, very very fun. Don't start Victoria

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Speaker 2: She's not here, so someone's going to say, did she

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Speaker 2: tell you to do this? Actually? No, which is just

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Speaker 2: yet more proof that we're all so perfectly matched for

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Speaker 5: Definitely definitely. How's your weet been back?

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Speaker 4: My week has been absolutely lovely, just basking in the

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Speaker 4: sometimes sun. Still going to the gym is something that

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Speaker 4: I never thought i'd stick to. But I also do

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Speaker 4: want to speak too soon, because any second now I

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Speaker 5: So I am worried about that. But otherwise honestly just chilling.

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Speaker 5: What about you?

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Speaker 5: Same, I think, just working.

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Speaker 6: I've been enjoying all of the baby photos beginning from VD,

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Speaker 6: just kind of plodding along. It's getting chilly now, which is,

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Speaker 6: of AK hopefully Okay, we'll see somewhere warm, I think,

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Speaker 6: because I'm not I'm not good with the cold, but TBC,

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Speaker 6: you haven't figured it out. Just sure we'll go nooser, See,

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Speaker 6: my week's been good, but I've got some really good

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Speaker 6: money wins to share with you guys.

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Speaker 5: You can like to hear them. No, thanks, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think yeah, maybe it anyway, it was a rhetorical question.

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Speaker 6: My first money win this week comes from Lauren, who

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Speaker 6: said money win. I finally made it to five K

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Speaker 6: I have the emergency fund for it now.

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Speaker 5: Well, congratulations and sorry to hear. Real kick up the

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Speaker 4: It's like exactly, yeah, exactly, that's exactly what it's there for.

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Speaker 5: But also very sad when you have to use it.

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Speaker 5: But now you know you can do it, so you

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely.

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Speaker 6: Now I've got a money in from Maddie, who said

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Speaker 6: money win. I've been using the seven eleven app to

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Speaker 6: score fifteen dollars off of fuel through the fuel lock function.

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Speaker 6: Such a shame they're restricting the discount as of this week.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what that's about.

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Speaker 2: So you can. I think it's you can look at

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Speaker 2: lock it in, which obviously you risk the biscuits because

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Speaker 2: of what if it goes down? True, But like any

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Speaker 2: in and then I don't really understand the actual process,

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Speaker 5: So expensive.

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Speaker 6: If I paid like two dollars something this week, I

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Speaker 6: remember last monight, was it all of thirty?

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Speaker 2: I was young enough to remember when fuel was under

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Speaker 4: So, oh, my goodness, Yeah, it's not so much worse.

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Speaker 2: Older than both of you buys quite some term.

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Speaker 5: You wouldn't know you wouldn't know it all.

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Speaker 6: Next, I've got a money win from Lucy who said

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Speaker 6: I got two hundred dollars worth of alsk D for

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Speaker 6: eighteen dollars. I found a discount code for fifteen percent off,

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Speaker 6: and I had approximately one hundred and thirty dollars in

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Speaker 5: Whoa, whoa, whoa, I love this.

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Speaker 2: I'm a shot back girly, same, yes, same, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is I really, I said. I was in my

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Speaker 2: it's I'm going to get this much back? Like I

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Speaker 6: Do you believe it one of those movies where they're

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Speaker 5: I'm sure they've all stayed at all.

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Speaker 2: I was actually thinking exact Galafanakis with the you know the.

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Speaker 5: That's what I was pure, Yes, that's me, big bids.

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Speaker 6: I've got a Bundy reading here from Steph, who said

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Speaker 6: her birthday is Friday, so she's been receiving all of

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Speaker 6: the birthday emails and discounts and free coffees and free

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Speaker 5: And a big happy birthday to you, Steph, big happy

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Speaker 5: birthday to you.

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Speaker 6: Then I've got one from Mia who said I standed, primed,

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Speaker 6: and painted four pieces of dated furniture. The paint and

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Speaker 6: equipment cost me about forty bucks, but the savings to

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Speaker 6: get a new desk and coffee table and side table

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Speaker 6: would have been well over five hundred.

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Speaker 2: Dollars and nothing going to landfill.

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Speaker 5: We laugh. We do love that. Good for you, sis.

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Speaker 2: And now that she knows she can do it when

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Speaker 2: she's over that.

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Speaker 5: Change it exactly. I love a DIY moment.

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Speaker 6: And then lastly this week, I've got a win from Kaylee,

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Speaker 6: who said money win. I had one hundred and fifteen

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Speaker 6: dollars in unpaid holls. This one's for you back, but

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Speaker 6: I called them up and explained that I was on

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Speaker 6: a holiday and didn't realize that they were all separate bills.

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Speaker 6: I thought it was just additional letters that were being

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Speaker 6: sent while I was gone, and they wiped all the

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Speaker 6: admin fees. So now I only have to pay for

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Speaker 6: thirty eight bucks.

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Speaker 5: Oh that's so good.

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Speaker 2: A little bit of a moment for calling instead of emailing,

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Speaker 2: or just honestly, because I have so many friends who

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Speaker 4: That's a word that I will associate with you forever.

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Speaker 5: I don't know why I thought that was okay. Moving along,

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Speaker 4: I do have some ro tips, so one from the community,

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Speaker 4: So the first one comes from KR, who says that

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Speaker 2: You know, I totally love this one. I'm I more

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Speaker 4: And then the poor sad little fruits that everyone thinks

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Speaker 6: Yeah, ten of them for my bowl of cocaolally for

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Speaker 5: And my broke tip of this week.

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Speaker 4: I caught up with an old friend literally yesterday, and

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Speaker 2: I know because I don't live so you know, obviously

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Okay, that's it for me, April. I feel

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Speaker 2: I do have a good one. So I collect the

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Speaker 2: We're back at that absolutely, and we'll save all your

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Speaker 5: Very cute. I love that.

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Speaker 4: That is very sweet and what a great way to

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Speaker 2: Thank you, I must say.

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Speaker 6: The Italian to me is rolling at a Triviy fountain

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Speaker 5: Welcome back, everybody.

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Speaker 6: We're doing our special episode with our guest April Helene

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Speaker 6: horton the vod Villa.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a listen to this week's money dilemma.

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Speaker 7: Hi, there, have you got a money dilemma you just

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Speaker 7: can't solve the She's on the Money team is here

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Speaker 7: to help. Every week, we tackle your dilemmas, both big

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Speaker 2: And life questions.

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Speaker 7: To get involved, simply head to our website and leave

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Speaker 7: this week's money dilemma.

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Speaker 8: Hey girls, for context, I'm a clusterized girlie a very

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Speaker 8: I guess my dilemma is how can I communicate the

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Speaker 6: Thanks, that would be awful if you were in a

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Speaker 6: you know, I am straight sized, so I can't really

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Speaker 4: I don't know about you guys, but like I used

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Speaker 5: Is that what it's called? I never knew if it

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Speaker 2: I believe it's chic, but then in brackets, except it's not.

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, that's so embarrassing. I've been telling everyone.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't they knew who you met?

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Speaker 4: I think because it kind of felt a little bit

440
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Speaker 4: more botique. And I don't really don't really know how

441
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Speaker 4: to use that word, so I might be saying it incorrectly,

442
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Speaker 4: but it always felt more expensive. But I feel like

443
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Speaker 4: it was kind of like, hey, this is our niche,

444
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Speaker 4: and this is like we're charging more because we're allowed.

445
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Speaker 5: To because this is our niche.

446
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Speaker 4: And so I'd be like, okay, well I don't really

447
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Speaker 4: have an option, so the options. It's the options thing,

448
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Speaker 4: isn't it. It's like, well, if you don't have an option,

449
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Speaker 4: then you kind of have to.

450
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Speaker 5: But I don't know.

451
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Speaker 4: That's kind of like my experience and know that our

452
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Speaker 4: listener is asking basically like how do we I guess,

453
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Speaker 4: like portray that or kind of explain that to people

454
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Speaker 4: who haven't had that same experience. But it's it's kind

455
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Speaker 4: of like with everything, like if someone hasn't had that

456
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,720
Speaker 4: same experience as you, it can be hard for people

457
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Speaker 4: to empathize. And so all I would say is just literally,

458
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Speaker 4: in this instance, it is a little bit better in

459
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Speaker 4: you know, say, you actually have some numbers. You can

460
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Speaker 4: actually crunch numbers and be like, here is actual evidence,

461
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Speaker 4: Here is actual proof that is things are more expensive

462
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Speaker 4: for me. Sometimes I'm not sure if that's always a situation.

463
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Speaker 4: She did say, it's a little bit EASi here in Australia,

464
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Speaker 4: but if you've got the receipts, show them, babe.

465
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Speaker 2: I like that. It's like mildly aggressive, but in a

466
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Speaker 2: cute one. So my experience of this is I have

467
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Speaker 2: never had that experience. Now, what I would probably say is,

468
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Speaker 2: in a situation where you're in valley buying clothes, is

469
00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,920
Speaker 2: it possible you're having tailored items, and that you're potentially

470
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Speaker 2: having a conversation with a person who's literally thinking about

471
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Speaker 2: meters and material because you know, if you go to

472
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Speaker 2: spotlight and you need this many, it's this much, and

473
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,040
Speaker 2: if you need this many, it's as much. Now I

474
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Speaker 2: fully understand the emotional thing because I remember there was

475
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Speaker 2: a brand and I won't name them, but a brand

476
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Speaker 2: that used to charge a surpless feet So it was

477
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Speaker 2: like the extra small small medium life as soon as

478
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Speaker 2: there's have to be an ex involved in there, one

479
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Speaker 2: two or three x's plus twenty dollars. So yeah, there

480
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 2: were some ballsy nonsense. They don't do it anymore, which

481
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Speaker 2: is why I'm not going to name them.

482
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll tell you I'm dying today.

483
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Speaker 2: But so they used to charge a different they were

484
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Speaker 2: at a different price point, but like actively so when

485
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Speaker 2: you would drop down the menu, it would change the price.

486
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Speaker 6: Were they like if you went to excess double excess?

487
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Speaker 6: Were they dropping math?

488
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Speaker 2: So they had a base price and then it went

489
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Speaker 2: up from someone so that the math is not mapping.

490
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Speaker 2: So that experience I do relate to that experience. However,

491
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Speaker 2: that's not something I obviously didn't buy the thing, so

492
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Speaker 2: it's like it's not an experience that I've had. I

493
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Speaker 2: think in defense of the situation in Bali, and to

494
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Speaker 2: reassure this listener that it's not a you problem. That

495
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,679
Speaker 2: is probably you experiencing a person who owns a tiny

496
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Speaker 2: little business covering their costs based on what their costs

497
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Speaker 2: actually are and perhaps not thinking about the broader problem

498
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Speaker 2: of this makes this person feel so and that's not great.

499
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Speaker 2: But I think in the Australian landscape, we've got two

500
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Speaker 2: things happening. You're totally right back that we've got limited

501
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 2: options city chic. If it is if that is your.

502
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Speaker 6: Real name is at this point in the room with us.

503
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Speaker 2: You know, if you're in danger, and so I think

504
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Speaker 2: they are. They wanted to pass themselves off as boutique,

505
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Speaker 2: and I think ten years ago when I was buying

506
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Speaker 2: clothes from them for myself, I got a new corporate

507
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Speaker 2: job and wanted to buy new clothes. I still have

508
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Speaker 2: some of those items. The quality was much higher. Peplum

509
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,959
Speaker 2: tops they are forever. They're laughing, but I'm not joking.

510
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Speaker 2: It's one of the items. I was like, I love

511
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Speaker 2: this top and I don't care if other people it's

512
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Speaker 2: not in fashion, yeah, but I like it and when

513
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,959
Speaker 2: I wear it, You're like, oh that's good. I know.

514
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 2: And so I definitely think over time their quality has lowered,

515
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Speaker 2: but their prices have not. And yes, we have more

516
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Speaker 2: options now, you know, places like Big W and your

517
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Speaker 2: other larger departments type stores are stocking a plus range now.

518
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Speaker 2: Because I'm never looking at the size eight range. I

519
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Speaker 2: don't know if I could go, like for like a

520
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 2: white singlet top and a white singlet top from the whatever,

521
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: the straight sized range, who I don't know them. I

522
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Speaker 2: don't know if I can compare like for like you're

523
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Speaker 2: something like, you know, a white singlet top or a

524
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 2: basic from the straight sized range, and then go to

525
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Speaker 2: the other section of the store where the plus size

526
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 2: stuff is because obviously they don't keep them together, wouldn't

527
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 2: want us mixing, and go, oh, this is this much

528
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 2: and there's a difference. But the reality is that, yes,

529
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Speaker 2: it's not just about the price point, although that's key

530
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Speaker 2: and part of that feeling around when we're talking economically,

531
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Speaker 2: this person's experiencing a more significant impact in a cost

532
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Speaker 2: of living crisis, but also the fact that you're only

533
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Speaker 2: limited because this person has the option for a white

534
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Speaker 2: one of black on, a brown on, a gray one,

535
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Speaker 2: a blue on, pink on, and yellow and you get

536
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Speaker 2: white or black. Yeah, that's so true. And I'm kind

537
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Speaker 2: of like, well, what if I want to be cute

538
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 2: and colorful? Yeah, never mind, I guess. And so I

539
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Speaker 2: think there are some brands that are doing it better,

540
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Speaker 2: some brands that are not doing it well at all.

541
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Speaker 2: One of the other key things, And I know I

542
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Speaker 2: mentioned this brand earlier, Vagary is a really great brand

543
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,239
Speaker 2: who they really are super inclusive. But also I know

544
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Speaker 2: that I've got a friend Katie full disclosure, she is

545
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Speaker 2: my friend who earns Ecklestone the label, and she released

546
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Speaker 2: her clothing range last year and she's been really great,

547
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Speaker 2: like in conversations with girlies talking about costs and all

548
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Speaker 2: of that type of stuff. She's someone who I've learned

549
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Speaker 2: a lot from about how it kind of works and

550
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Speaker 2: about having a certain number of sizes to run before

551
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Speaker 2: you can start. So we have lots of businesses who

552
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Speaker 2: talk about the costs of keeping plus size clothing on

553
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Speaker 2: their racks, and I think that the reality is that

554
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Speaker 2: if you want to do it, you can. If they

555
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Speaker 2: wanted to, they would, yeah, And I think for this person,

556
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Speaker 2: our listener who's having that experience, my recommendation really would

557
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Speaker 2: be to look for those brands that want you there

558
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 2: and try to focus on finding clothes that you love

559
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Speaker 2: and that you're going to have in your wardrobe for

560
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Speaker 2: a long time, because you will pay more for really

561
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Speaker 2: great clothes and are made by brands that love all

562
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Speaker 2: bodies and especially fat bodies, but the likelihood that they

563
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Speaker 2: will last longer and be pieces that you will look

564
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Speaker 2: back on in your wardrobe over and over again. I

565
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 2: know that it's really hard. It's not getting easier to

566
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: be a fat person buying fashion because yes, we have

567
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: more options, but we still have to face you know,

568
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: we've reached the kind of end of the life cycle

569
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Speaker 2: of the fashion body positivity season. I feel like it's

570
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 2: going out.

571
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Speaker 6: Everyone's saying we spoke about it. We mentioned this at

572
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Speaker 6: some point. I remember when it was on the show.

573
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Speaker 6: The Kate Moss vibe is back.

574
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Speaker 2: Here the heroin aesthetic and as a person who didn't

575
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Speaker 2: want to wear low rise Janes the first time. It's

576
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Speaker 2: a hard note for me, I am, and so I

577
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 2: think for our listener, big hugs, it is hard. The

578
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: size on the tag doesn't matter. You are entitled to

579
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Speaker 2: want to have fashion, and I think our focus really

580
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Speaker 2: needs to change away from I suppose trying to fit

581
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Speaker 2: clothes and finding clothes that fit us. If your friends

582
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Speaker 2: can't get on board with that, get new friends.

583
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Speaker 5: That's what I was going to say.

584
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Speaker 6: Is the thing I think that I did mention is

585
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Speaker 6: like the friend situation, and I feel like your friend

586
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Speaker 6: should be empathetic to your situation.

587
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Speaker 2: I think not being able to relate to something isn't

588
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Speaker 2: a good reason not to care about it.

589
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Speaker 6: And it's like, as you were saying back, like you

590
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 6: have the receipts you can literally say here's the difference,

591
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Speaker 6: here's the issue.

592
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Speaker 5: You can see it visually.

593
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Speaker 6: I guess as you were saying in the landscape in Australia,

594
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Speaker 6: it's not just overseas. And if your friend is making

595
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Speaker 6: you feel bad about that, I would say that they

596
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Speaker 6: don't sound like a very good friend.

597
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Speaker 5: Ye, to be honest, agreed.

598
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Speaker 2: One of my other things that I've been doing is

599
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Speaker 2: so I made I went on a no new fashion promise,

600
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: so one January. I don't really do resolutions, but when

601
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Speaker 2: I moved house and I saw how many clothes I've got,

602
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Speaker 2: and I don't know if either of you have seen

603
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: on my Insta when I posted those stories, it's literally

604
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Speaker 2: it's literally a wardrobe that was built for two adults

605
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: because it's in like I've got the main bedroom and

606
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: it is a full walking room and it goes all

607
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Speaker 2: the way Oh no, that's a winnow, all the way down,

608
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Speaker 2: all the way down. I've got stuff stored at the

609
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Speaker 2: top in the drawers and here I have more clothes

610
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: than any human person will ever need. Yeah, And so

611
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Speaker 2: I just was like, this is actually ridiculous. And also

612
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: what I got rid of that, I was like, oh,

613
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Speaker 2: I don't know. If I love that, I've got more

614
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Speaker 2: than ten bags of stuff that I'm going to I'm

615
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: actually gonna say on consignment, which is exactly we love well,

616
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: because I was just, you know, I thought, am I

617
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: actually ever going to sell these in my own closet sale?

618
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: No I'm not. But realistically speaking, if this person who

619
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: has a business doing that, the lovely Maria from the

620
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 2: fat Section in the Southern Highlands in New South Wales,

621
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Speaker 2: I was like, babe, you take them, you sell them,

622
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Speaker 2: give me a little chuck a few dollars my way,

623
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Speaker 2: because at this point it's literally zero dollars. It's worth

624
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: zero to me in a bag in my wardrobe, in

625
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 2: my garage. Yeah, and so I'm going to sell those,

626
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: but I've also promised myself I'm not buying any new fashion.

627
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 2: So the only thing I'm purchasing from clothing and apparel

628
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: stores is replacement basics like underwear, single it tops, that

629
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Speaker 2: kind of stuff, and not buying anything new for the

630
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Speaker 2: entire year.

631
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Speaker 5: I love that I saw.

632
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Speaker 6: I don't remember the exact details of where I saw it,

633
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 6: and so this is probably not that helpful, but I

634
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 6: remember seeing someone posting about the amount of water and

635
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 6: electricity and stuff that it takes for somebody to add

636
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 6: a new piece to their closet. Yes, and they're like,

637
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 6: then multiply that by the fact that you're getting a

638
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 6: new outfit for you know, every event or you dress,

639
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 6: go out or whatever it is. And then the amount

640
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 6: of just resources that we're all taking by consuming and

641
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 6: a lot of the time we're consuming fast fashion, which

642
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 6: I am not judging because I know that, you know,

643
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 6: price point is important to people, and not everyone can

644
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 6: afford to invest in expensive things at the moment. But

645
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 6: the fact that like our default is I'll just go

646
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 6: buy a ten dollar top, and the drain that that

647
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 6: has on like our resources and the impact on our planet,

648
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 6: Like we've had the hottest January on record in the

649
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 6: history of the world. And like I know that you

650
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 6: just go, oh hot weather, like great.

651
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: I love the things. No, I don't. I lay awake

652
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: at not thinking about it.

653
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 5: But yeah, you do.

654
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: You do you forget that that is actually a direct impact,

655
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Speaker 2: Like when you think, oh my god, I'm so hot,

656
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: I can't I'm sweating to death, that you actually look.

657
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 2: Does the consumer on an individual basis have the ability

658
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 2: to completely change this? No, but do we all have

659
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: the ability to slightly change our behavior to make a

660
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: small impact. Yeah, and also agree that we need to

661
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think we want to be shaming

662
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: people about what they're able to afford, but also really

663
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: changing people's perception of views around fast fashion because the

664
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: amount of resources it consinues to create the fashion, the

665
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: amount of landfill, the lack of ethics in the supply chain.

666
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 2: I do think we need to be asking ourselves not

667
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: so much whether they should reconsider spending more money. That's

668
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 2: the whole point. We're trying to save money or not

669
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: be spending money needlessly. Do I actually need to buy this?

670
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: And so that's where I landed as someone who has

671
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: pieces in my wardrobe from City Cheek, as I said,

672
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 2: which they are technically fast fashioned in terms of how

673
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 2: it's produced in that kind of thing. And yes, keeping

674
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: it for a long time does increase the sustainability in

675
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: the sense that it's not in landfill and I haven't

676
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: bought new things to replace it. But at the same time,

677
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: I just looked at my wardrobe and I thought, this

678
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: is all amazing stuff I can shot my wardrobe, and

679
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's only what four months into

680
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: the year. But the amount of times I've thought I

681
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: might it, oh on a weight means that I was

682
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: consuming at a rate that was totally unnecessary. Yeah, And

683
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: I think for me that's something that I've been really

684
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: happy to be able to curb. And I know that

685
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: that's not for everyone, and some people have really great

686
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: habits around that stuff. But I think when we're talking

687
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: about consuming fashion and our ability to buy clothes that

688
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: are really beautiful and that fit us, that's why I

689
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: care a lot about supporting brands that care about sustainability,

690
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: brands that care about ethics, and brands that care about

691
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: fat people, because all of those demographics and all of

692
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: those considerations have been left out of fashion for such

693
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: a long time. So I think we do have the

694
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: ability to have a significant impact when it comes to

695
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: the climate, which is a feminist issue because the people

696
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: who are most heavily impacted by the climate crisis are women.

697
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: It is our opportunity to push back brands that we

698
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: know won't name them, but you know who they are,

699
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: who are literally killing the planet. If we push back

700
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: against purchasing from them and we see that they're reducing

701
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: in terms of their production size because they're losing money.

702
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: Then we can have a genuine impact. Our plastic straws

703
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: being eliminated from every cafe on the street going to

704
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: change the world. Probably not, potentially causes more problems for

705
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: people with disabilities and things like that. So it's like,

706
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: let's not rush to the individualist solution. Let's try to

707
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: figure out how we actually can change something genuinely, tangibly

708
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: change it with a mindset change.

709
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 6: Yeah.

710
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Speaker 5: Do you guys follow Emma Edwards the broke generation?

711
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: I think I do.

712
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's in a finance space. She's great.

713
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 6: But she did a wardrobe pause challenge last year similar

714
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 6: to you. She bought nothing new. She gave herself a

715
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 6: few I think you know, I can replace things if

716
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 6: they break, you know, hygiene things, underwear, stuff like that

717
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 6: obviously all on the awkward list, but like as a whole,

718
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 6: no new fashion purchases, and she tracked it throughout the art.

719
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 6: She succeeded, and it was really interesting because she now

720
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 6: I believe she does like a challenge where she helps

721
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 6: other people do the same thing. But she spoke about

722
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 6: the psychological impact of breaking that habit, kind of like

723
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 6: what you were saying, and she was saying, it's so interesting,

724
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 6: like now she thought when she started that she'd get

725
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 6: to the last day of twenty twenty three and you know,

726
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 6: Jan Verst be like, get me to the shops, but

727
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 6: she didn't have that desire because she had broken the

728
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 6: psychological need to consume in that way. Yeah, which is

729
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 6: really interesting because you're, as you're saying, like it's almost

730
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 6: a wiring and it's changed the way that you think

731
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 6: about things. I know that she had an event to

732
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 6: go to I remember seeing and she sowd an outfit

733
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 6: because she went and she got some fabric and she

734
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 6: made it. And I don't think she's a particularly experienced

735
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 6: sower from what she said, But it was just really

736
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 6: interesting to be like, there are other options to you

737
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 6: than going out and just buying like a quick, easy solution.

738
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 6: You know, Can you shop at secondhand? Can you do

739
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 6: all of these things? So changing the mindset, I think

740
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 6: is such a big cornerstone. And if you do still,

741
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 6: you know, at the end of this year, for you, April,

742
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 6: if you go, oh, I do like I want to

743
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 6: buy something new or I want to do that, I

744
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 6: feel like the psychology of it will have changed and

745
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 6: you can do it more mindfully, which is awesome.

746
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I think also separately a bit related

747
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: my ability to save money by not buying things. Well,

748
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: put it this way, my after pays at zero.

749
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 6: Queen amazing, delete it well unless you cash flow, which

750
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 6: is fine I do.

751
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: But also that's my goal is to actually get to

752
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: the point where I've built up my savings so I

753
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: feel comfortable to delete it. Feels like a bit of

754
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: a safety net right now because like I don't totally fair. Yeah,

755
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: so my outter pays at zero and I'm able to go, oh,

756
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to save so much money. That's really great.

757
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: So that mindset shift around what I value. I think

758
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: also because I get a little dope mean hit from

759
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: looking at my savings account balance instead of from that

760
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: order received notification. But at the same time buying something new,

761
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: I think I'm not ruling it out. I'm just I

762
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: think taking the year off because I genuinely have so

763
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 2: many flip and clothes like I don't I don't actually

764
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: need to buy anything. But also trying really hard not

765
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: to push that onto other people. When some's like I

766
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: want to buy something new, I heard myself say, you

767
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: don't need anything to this person and then I was like,

768
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: you are like one of those people who like that

769
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: quit smoking in, coughs at people, or you know, gives

770
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 2: up gluten and then starts telling everyone that gluten's going

771
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: to kill you, which like in some people's case it might,

772
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: but like just relax, okay, So yeah, trying to not

773
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: make it my whole personality. Yeah, but also being really

774
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: like just really sticking to that value. And I think

775
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: for me, I hope to say out the whole year

776
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: and have stuck to it because I think also I

777
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: never stick to anything. So I'm just being really proud

778
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: of myself being like I did that.

779
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 5: Are you a document on social I think a little bit.

780
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: I wanted to really get I think, get into it

781
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: and be able to show a tangible difference, like so

782
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: to be able to go, oh, I've actually I can

783
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: tell you how much I saved based on I like data.

784
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: I know.

785
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: I was telling you a story right before we started

786
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: recording about how I used to take I used to

787
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: buy lunch at work all the time in coffees. Buying

788
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: coffees is my favorite activity, and so I worked out

789
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: that I was spending I spent thirteen hundred and nineteen

790
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: dollars last year on coffees and lunches and I don't

791
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: even work full time in the office, Like, what is

792
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: actually happening?

793
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 5: Does that make you feel crazy?

794
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh my god, that would be

795
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: in my savings account if I hadn't done that. And

796
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: then I had a conversation with a friend and it

797
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: was payday. So you're always feeling a little loosey, and

798
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: I'd gone so far like that whole time, not buying

799
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: a coffee, and she said to me, She's like, well,

800
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: I'll buy you one because I made a joke. I

801
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: was like, I didn't say I wasn't drinking coffee. I

802
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: said I wasn't paying for it. Very savvy. But she said, well,

803
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: I'll share your coffee because I've convinced you to come

804
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: and stand in the coffee line with me. I'll buy

805
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: your coffee, which I think is nice. It's the way

806
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: I iced to do a nice thing. And she said,

807
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: have you found it? I said, I do miss the

808
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: ritual of coming to do it, but I've actually found

809
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: It's been good. I've been drinking more water because I'm

810
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: not drinking coffee. And then we had a conversation about

811
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: this sort of all or nothing attitude towards stuff, and

812
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: she said, well, what about if you bought a coffee

813
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: like only once a fortnight, which I think she was

814
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: just angling towards the fact that we worked together in

815
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: the office on the day that's usually pay day, which

816
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: is once a fortnight. I was like, I say, were

817
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: you go one strategic queen? And I said, well, I

818
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: did the mats on my phone. I'd worked out it

819
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: was twenty seven dollars a week that I had wasted

820
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: spent on lunches that I could have brought and coffees

821
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: that I could have not drank because really, like it's decaf,

822
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: I'm not even getting caffeinated from it. What's the point

823
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: it's hot milk? And I worked out it'd be one

824
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty two dollars for the whole year. Oh

825
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: okay if I just bought one a fortnight. And I thought, okay,

826
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: so it's not a commitment that I go, Oh, I

827
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: can never. I've sworn off this forever, and if I

828
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: do it, I have to go out that I can

829
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: give myself an upper cut. It's now I can go.

830
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 2: What's my limit? I'm changing the way I'm doing this thing.

831
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: So again, by that same token, if you've decided that

832
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: you just kind of stopped buying fast fashion and you're

833
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 2: only going to invest in sustainable fashion, that's a mindset

834
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: shift that will over time save you money, and you

835
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: forgot about it.

836
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 5: So it's like, hey, we love that. That actually was

837
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 5: on my in's list op shopping, So thank you.

838
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: So much late.

839
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: Sorry.

840
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: Also, I think I pretty much talked ninety five percent

841
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 2: of this whole episode.

842
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 5: Pols love it. No, it is very, very very thank

843
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 5: you so much.

844
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: Well, it was about money, so at least it was on.

845
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 6: Topic absolutely, and I think the conversation around fashion and

846
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 6: finance and the impact like it's very relevant to us,

847
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 6: Like it's something that I genuinely like find so interesting.

848
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 4: Hopefully the people listening to you, Okay, guys, are we

849
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 4: ready for a juicy DM?

850
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 5: Absolutely? Okay, here we go.

851
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 4: So from one listener they say, I'm going on a

852
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 4: VAK with my girlfriend in brackets euro summer. We love that,

853
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 4: which is our winter? Isn't it so great? Get out

854
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 4: of here? Escape? And as we get further into the planning,

855
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 4: I can see we are financially going on too very

856
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 4: different holidays. We were so keen on the idea of Europe.

857
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 4: We kind of skipped talking about our budgets. I see,

858
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 4: I have saved for a long time to go on

859
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 4: this trip, but it seems like she wants hostels whereas

860
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 4: I want hotels are a bit nicer. She wants to

861
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 4: go on to train for fifteen hours because it is cheap,

862
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 4: but I'll happily spend more money to do a two

863
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 4: hour flight to make it more convenient. I'm keen to

864
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 4: book fancy dinners, but she wants to spend no more

865
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: than forty dollars on dinner. That's still kind of expensive though. Yeah,

866
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 4: I've luki got the ig from traveling with her now.

867
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 4: There isn't anything wrong with the way she wants to

868
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 4: do it, It's just not where I'm at. How do

869
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 4: I say to her that I want to enjoy myself

870
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 4: and financially we won't be the best travel buddies. She's

871
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 4: so keen on going together, but would rather go solo

872
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 4: and not have to compromise my trip.

873
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 6: I want to say our listener has a very healthy perspective.

874
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 6: I appreciate that she's not expecting her friend to come

875
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 6: up to not being like, she's a tired ass, why can't.

876
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 5: We spend sixty billion dollars on dinner late?

877
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 6: Because I think we've spoken about this before in the

878
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 6: sense that it's okay if you want to travel differently

879
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 6: to your friends, like if you want to do it

880
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 6: super budget and you just want the experience and you

881
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 6: just want to see the place, that is so fine.

882
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 6: If you think this is a once in a lifetime

883
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 6: trip and I really want to spend money and I

884
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 6: want to live it up and I that's a value

885
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 6: to me, is also fine. But I think it's not

886
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 6: fine to expect people to change to suit you in

887
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 6: that sense, Like you can't expect your friend who doesn't

888
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 6: have a lot of money to spend a lot And

889
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 6: if your friend with who doesn't want to spend a

890
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 6: lot of money doesn't necessarily need to expect you to

891
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 6: spend not a lot either. Yeah, so I think like

892
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 6: her perspective is very healthy. I think literally just say

893
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 6: to her what you said to us, Like, I think

894
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 6: it's as simple as that, just saying, hey, I think

895
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 6: that it looks like we want to spend different amounts,

896
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 6: which is totally fine. I really want them to feel

897
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 6: like You're not shaming them for, you know, not wanting

898
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 6: or having the money to spend, because that's not a

899
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 6: good feeling for anybody, but just saying that I really

900
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 6: want to live it up. I want to spend a

901
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 6: lot of money. It feels like maybe you want to

902
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 6: do it more budget friendly. I think maybe we just

903
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 6: kind of split off and do the trips the way

904
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 6: we want to do the trips, and that's totally fine,

905
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 6: and hopefully that's the end of the conversation.

906
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,479
Speaker 2: I think also, and I obviously not knowing how old

907
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: this person is, I don't have a good sense of

908
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: where they are in terms of is this a long friendship?

909
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: Is is someone you've known your whole life, or someone

910
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 2: that you don't feel comfortable having this conversation with because

911
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: you don't know them as well as you know your

912
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 2: oldest friend. It is a really important part of adolt

913
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: friendships learning to have hard conversations about things. And I

914
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: say that as someone who has struggled but managed to

915
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: have some really really difficult conversations with friends about you know,

916
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: balancing time together when we're in the same city because

917
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: we don't really live in the same city, and about

918
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: doing what I want to do rather than making time

919
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: to do what she'd like to be doing, or that

920
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: she would like to spend time with me, And I go,

921
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: she just really want to have the night by myself. Yeah,

922
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: which you know, pass me would have really struggled. So

923
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: I definitely relate to this. I agree that you should

924
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: just have an upfront conversation about the fact that I've

925
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 2: saved a really long time. One thing I was thinking

926
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: as I was listening to this was, is the person

927
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: who wants to spend less hoping that they're going to

928
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: spend less still by sharing accommodation sharing, travel sharing through

929
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: And if that's the case, like, are you impacting that

930
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: person's ability to go on the trip at all if

931
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: you don't share, Because if that's the case, that's still

932
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: a conversation you need to have because maybe it's not

933
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: your Owsummer to twenty four for them. Yes, because at

934
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it is your trip you've

935
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: saved for, and it's exciting to share something with someone

936
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: like that. I'd love the idea of going on a

937
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: trip like that and being able to look back and go,

938
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: oh my god, look remember when we went to the

939
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 2: you know, the trivia fountain. But if you're not traveling

940
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 2: as a couple and so you have different ones and

941
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: you have an agreed that you're going to share accommodation,

942
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: because for me, that's that's actually a hard no. I

943
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: really don't like the idea of traveling solo with just

944
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 2: one other person and sharing a room because you never

945
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: have any space. I travel with girlfriends quite regularly, but

946
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 2: there's a group of us, there's seven of us, and

947
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: we'll often look for ways to save money by going, oh,

948
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: if we share a room or a bed, depending we

949
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: can save money, and we look at you know, what's

950
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: going to work better. But on our most recent trip,

951
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: I was like, sorry, it's hot, we're in brizzy. I

952
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: actually don't want to share, so sorry, Well, I just

953
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: know I won't have a good sleep, I won't have

954
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: a good time trip ruin, what's the point? And it

955
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: wasn't a hard conversation because we're all really good friends,

956
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: but also because we had been frank and been talking

957
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 2: about the budget upfront, so it wasn't a big deal.

958
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: But I think for this person having that conversation, first,

959
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: assessing what's going to be the outcome of this conversation

960
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: is this person going to be upset because I might

961
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: have totally ruined their whole plan to go to Europe.

962
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: If that's the case, and you want to be able

963
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: to compromise a little bit, maybe you offer to do

964
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: certain legs of the trip together and then you split

965
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: off and then you come back. So, for example, that

966
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: fifteen hours she's gonna be on the train, you'd be

967
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: there early. Do you think what you want to do

968
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: and then say and then I will meet you. And

969
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: so that person might spend one night on their own,

970
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: in their own accommodation. But then it's like, but then

971
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: we can go. We could go to a hotel, and

972
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: so you get what you want, but you compromise will

973
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: saying I'll share with you, we'll get a twin room,

974
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: and that person has to just bump up a tiny

975
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: bit and then you come down a little bit. It

976
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: is about compromise, but also it's kind of not If

977
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 2: you don't want to go with them, maybe just make

978
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: that choice and think about if the outcome of this

979
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: conversation is that I lose this friendship over this trip,

980
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: that's not great. But is that a symptom or is

981
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: that an indication of a bigger problem that you don't

982
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: feel like you can communicate you needs with your friend,

983
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: because then actually that's an issue that's totally separate to

984
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: your Europe trip. Either way, I hope that it's a

985
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: really fun trip. I totally relate to being the person

986
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: that wants to have the more bouge experience, although I

987
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: am the person with the budget. So anyway, that's a

988
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: problem for next year when I try to go to

989
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 2: Europe on my can money, and so I think definitely,

990
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: I don't think that this person should compromise on the

991
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: trip of their dreams. But if they can see their

992
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: way to going, I can find some middle ground in

993
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: some parts of it that won't ruin it for me

994
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: but will help this person have a great time. Then

995
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: go with that, go with what works. But at the

996
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: end of the day, this is your dream. Do what

997
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: you want to do.

998
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I was going to say a very very

999
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 4: similar thing, but I do. I often get confused by

1000
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 4: this in like the regular world, where people say girlfriend.

1001
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: I don't know someone with a literal girlfriend. I'm like,

1002
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 4: are you actually talking about your girlfriend or you' talk

1003
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 4: about your friend? Because if they're talking about their girlfriend,

1004
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 4: I'm like this whole thing is like changing my lie,

1005
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 4: you know. So it could be their girlfriend, in which

1006
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 4: case I'd be like, you can if you've kind of

1007
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 4: planned this thing together, it's kind of like being to

1008
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 4: be a romantic thing. But let's say for the sake

1009
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 4: of this DM and this conversation, they're just regular friends.

1010
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 4: My mind is exactly where your mind is at, April,

1011
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 4: and I'm thinking, yeah, like a nice little hybrid or

1012
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 4: just having this exact conversation with them. I'm a big

1013
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 4: fan of like thinking or like kind of not reading

1014
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 4: into but like seeing certain things that could be symptomatic

1015
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 4: exactly as you said, April, of something bigger. So if

1016
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 4: it is does seem like it's a conversation that's hard

1017
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 4: to have or it might literally ruin a friendship, that

1018
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 4: might be something that you'd have to consider as well.

1019
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 4: I know it's separate to the travel thing, but if

1020
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 4: you're planning a trip with someone and you or your

1021
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 4: friend are not willing to compromise in any way, like

1022
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 4: you can see that you're both on different journeys and

1023
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 4: that's totally fine, no one's in the wrong here, then yeah,

1024
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 4: they might be if you are worried that it'll be uncomfortable, awkward,

1025
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 4: or someone will be mad or I can definitely see

1026
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 4: I guess it, like depends you didn't really mention like

1027
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 4: how long they've been planning it for hay, so.

1028
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not having the conversation up front could ruin

1029
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: the trip. So then you've wasted you And.

1030
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 6: There's nothing worse than being on a trip with someone

1031
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 6: and just hating your life as well, Like there's nothing worse,

1032
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 6: especially somewhere as expensive as Europe, that would be awful.

1033
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think what I would actively discourage is lying

1034
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: to this.

1035
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 5: Person about it totally, totally.

1036
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: So don't don't suddenly say I've decided I'm not going

1037
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: to go and then secretly go or don't or my

1038
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: sister said she wants to come, so now, like, don't

1039
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: don't do that. Have a frank conversation with this person

1040
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 2: if you respect them enough to reach out and ask

1041
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 2: for advice, and you know, if you if you have,

1042
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: I think the opportunity to say to them like I

1043
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: really respect this, and you know, yeah, maybe offering to

1044
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: say I want to do all of this and I

1045
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: know you can only for to do this, I'll meet

1046
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: you in Greece. Yeah, shout you a drink.

1047
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally. I think that's a great, great, great idea.

1048
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: Oh, so let's all go to Greece. I love going

1049
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 2: somewhere warm iment Right, So what.

1050
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 5: Time are we leaving time out? What did everybody else say?

1051
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 7: Yes?

1052
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 4: Also, the other thing is your summer is a little

1053
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 4: while away, so you still have plenty of time to

1054
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 4: make this not uncomfortable. Okay, So let's see what the

1055
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 4: community had to say. So the first question we asked

1056
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 4: was if you had a similar experience when traveling with

1057
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 4: a friend. Forty six percent of you said yes, and

1058
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 4: fifty four percent of you said no. It's a pretty

1059
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 4: close split. It's a pretty good split. Next question we asked,

1060
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 4: if yes, what ended up happening. Twenty six percent of

1061
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 4: you said, we traveled together and it was a disaster.

1062
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: So many people to have a terrible time.

1063
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a real shame.

1064
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 4: Fifty four percent of you said we both compromised to

1065
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 4: make the trip work, and twenty one percent of you

1066
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 4: said we decided it was best we don't go together.

1067
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 2: That's interesting and I think I'd be keen to find

1068
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: out from the fifty four percent.

1069
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 5: And how did that?

1070
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: God, did you secretly feel yourself in the twenty six percent.

1071
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: You know, I think it would be really interesting to

1072
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: know that. But I think that's a really good indication

1073
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: of what we've just said in the three viewpoints that

1074
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: we've kind of had it, which is you should try

1075
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: to maybe compromise a little bit, but not too much.

1076
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 4: So yes, exactly exactly. And the next thing we asked was,

1077
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,479
Speaker 4: if you were traveling with a friend, what's the first

1078
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: thing you would decide on. Fifty eight percent of you

1079
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 4: said budget, and then pick location based off of that,

1080
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 4: and forty two percent of you said location, talk budget

1081
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 4: later on, which is interesting, chicken or egg?

1082
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: Egg?

1083
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 5: Exactly what would you do? What would you think?

1084
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Speaker 2: I actually answered this question, and I'm a budget first. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I learned that lesson the hard way by making plans,

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Speaker 2: not specifically trouble plans, but in the past, making a

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Speaker 2: plan that was all about what I wanted to happen

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Speaker 2: at the end, and then reverse engineering a budget and

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Speaker 2: realizing I didn't happen of money. Yeah, And so I

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Speaker 2: think that I've learned the lesson now that talk budget,

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Speaker 2: because you immediately know whether you're traveling five kilometers fifty

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Speaker 2: kmeters a five thousand clocks.

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Speaker 5: Totally, totally, I absolutely agree with that.

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Speaker 4: It's like saying, let's go to Gimlet, which is a

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Speaker 4: very expensive restaurant here in Melbourne for those who don't know,

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Speaker 4: but only having twenty dollars on your person.

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Speaker 2: And this kind of reminds me of that TikTok I

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Speaker 2: saw a few months back where that guy was saying

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Speaker 2: he wanted to go to a friend's birthday thing and

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Speaker 2: they were doing dinner then drinks, and he didn't want

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Speaker 2: to go to the dinner because the entree was like

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Speaker 2: forty dollars, so he said he'd agree and meet for drinks,

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Speaker 2: and apparently it caused a big blow up with him

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Speaker 2: and his friend. And so I'm kind of like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I I aspire to be the person that only comes

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Speaker 2: to drinks and doesn't spend forty dollars on it on trade,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, I can't help myself because I get fomo,

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, I definitely think that talking about like

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Speaker 2: comparing restaurants and other types of experiences, what's the compromise.

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Speaker 2: This person thought they were doing a great job of

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Speaker 2: compromising by saying I'll just come for drinks, but sometimes

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Speaker 2: that can cause an issue to having a conversation is

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Speaker 2: the only answer. Yeah, we got another question.

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Speaker 4: Well then we asked for your two cents. So someone

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Speaker 4: said I would send this message to the girlfriend. She's understanding,

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Speaker 4: she will understand, which I totally agree. And that's what

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Speaker 4: you were saying, Jess, like basically say everything you said

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Speaker 4: to us, but to her.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, see how that goes down. Someone else said, be

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Speaker 5: straight up.

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Speaker 4: They might be embarrassed otherwise, which I can understand definitely,

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Speaker 4: Like if you're like, you know, your budget is a

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Speaker 4: bit low, it might come across as like maybe you're

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Speaker 4: being shamed because you just don't have to travel, which

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Speaker 4: it is definitely like a delicate one because having been there,

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Speaker 4: and I feel like, you know, maybe the people in

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Speaker 4: this room as well, have been in a situation where

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Speaker 4: you can't really afford things and you kind of feel

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Speaker 4: you shame yourself first, and to have that someone else

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Speaker 4: kind of come and say, hey, Bee, because you can't

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Speaker 4: afford X y Z, I don't want to do this

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Speaker 4: with you, it can be you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think maybe the approach is I'm worried that, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think if you want to expand a

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Speaker 2: little bit on the part where they said they're worried

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Speaker 2: about this certain thing, use an actual experience. I'm worried

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Speaker 2: that we might go to dinner and then I'm going

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Speaker 2: to order a big meal and you you're not gonna

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Speaker 2: want to order anything. You're gonna order something small. I

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Speaker 2: don't want you to have a bad time, but I

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Speaker 2: really don't want to have to not have something nice

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Speaker 2: because I've saved for a really long time to have this.

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Speaker 2: So what I want to figure out with you is

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Speaker 2: how can we maybe plan the trip that means that

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Speaker 2: I can still do all the boogie things I want

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Speaker 2: to do, and that maybe we meet up at the end, Like,

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Speaker 2: I think, have a plan of what you think might work,

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Speaker 2: because if you have a sense of this person's budget,

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Speaker 2: you might actually know, and if you've also got an

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Speaker 2: itinery kind of half cooked, you might know where you're

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Speaker 2: planning to be and what places they're Like, I really

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Speaker 2: want to go to Prague, but I don't really care

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Speaker 2: about going to insert the name of another European country.

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Speaker 2: I mean in Europe. Can't tell. And I think that

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Speaker 2: I think actually come up with a solution. Yeah, don't

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Speaker 2: go with I don't want to I think be clear

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Speaker 2: about what you do want and then what you think

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Speaker 2: the solution might be. Because you've identified issue very corporatives.

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Speaker 4: Someone else said, don't did your friend find the compromise?

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Speaker 4: Hostiles are an amazing way to meet people. That is

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Speaker 4: so true, But some people.

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Speaker 5: I would not do a hofestyle. That's it. I personally

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Speaker 5: I love a hostel.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll go together one day you can experience that.

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Speaker 6: I just it's a safe like I know that many Actually,

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Speaker 6: when I went to the UK with f D, we

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Speaker 6: stayed in a hostel.

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Speaker 5: We had a private room because it was five of us.

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Speaker 5: So like that I'm fine with.

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Speaker 6: But I just I get very scared when I don't

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Speaker 6: know people and say, like a hostel for me, it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Worry, whereas you can imagine, I'd just be rolling in

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Speaker 2: hot and like everyone, I would run the hostel by

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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 4: And then lastly, someone else said, it's the girlfriend. I'd compromise,

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Speaker 4: do a bit of both, or stay longer and do

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Speaker 4: your stuff when they're gone, which I think is exactly

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Speaker 4: what you're saying, April, and just really honestly, just be open, honest,

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Speaker 4: try and find a way to work around it, maybe

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Speaker 4: create a hybrid of both holiday ideas and everyone will

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Speaker 4: have a lovely time. But just make sure you all

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Speaker 4: have fun and everything is open.

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Speaker 5: Honest end, what are we.

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Speaker 2: Talking about now? I mean these still.

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Speaker 5: Apply, still apply everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Make sure there's after care and informed consent for your

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Speaker 2: own trips to inform consent exactly, enthusiastic consent, ideally.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a really good place to leave it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much April for joining us.

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Speaker 5: I had so much fun. Yes, And if we want

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Speaker 5: to find you, where can they find you?

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Speaker 2: I am at the Mozilla on Instagram and I guess

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Speaker 2: if you find me there, you can find me anywhere.

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Speaker 4: Incredible, amazing. All right, Victoria will see you guys on

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Speaker 4: Monday for a money diary. Until then, have a lovely weekend.

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Speaker 5: See you later. Bye.

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