1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Oh CRUs so complicated. I don't really think of it 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: as a career option because you don't really do that 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: at that age. I wanted to work at the sports store, 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: you know, like I was just I just love sport. 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: To many people. Phoebe Lichfield is quite the character off 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 2: the cricket pitch, but when she's at the crease almost 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: nothing can stop her. The young gun from Country New 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: South Wales made her debut in the Women's Big Bash 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: at just sixteen years old and continues to etch her 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: name in history. She's the youngest Ossie cricketer to score 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: fifty rounds in both an ODII and the Big Bash, 12 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: but just recently became the youngest player the captain of 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: women's Big Bash team as the captain of the Sydney Thunder. 14 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 3: Welcome back to. 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 2: The Female Athlete Project for twenty twenty five. I'm Sophie 16 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: the producer here at TEEFAP and to kick things off 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: for the new year, Chloe sat down with Phoebe in 18 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: the lead up to the Ashes the twenty. 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 3: One year old Bad Chat. 20 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: That's all things cricket and the increasing responsibility of being 21 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: a professional athlete. After just witnessing the Australian women's cricket 22 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: team make history with a sixteen Nael whitewash over England. 23 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 2: We hope you enjoyed this episode. 24 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 4: Phoebe, welcome to the podcast. Thank you for having me. 25 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 4: I'm very excited to have a chat today. I'm sweating. 26 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 4: It's like a thirty degree day. 27 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: I was pretty hot. Sweat. Yeah, it's hot. 28 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 4: The air cone is not working, but we will get there. 29 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 4: I've seen lots of your stuff on social media and 30 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 4: so I'm keen to have a chat because you seem 31 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 4: like a bit of a character. 32 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: Well thanks, that's not appreciate it. Yeah, no, I love 33 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: just beat myself really, but yeah, thanks. 34 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 4: Take us back to the beginning. Can you describe Phoebe 35 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 4: as a little kid. 36 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: Oh I hang around kids now, and I'm like, god, 37 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: I was definitely one of those people. Like I was 38 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: so competitive, you know, that would be contested and in 39 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: tears my mum and dad just telling me that, Like 40 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: I'd literally just be outside until. 41 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: You know, the son went down. 42 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: Trying to be better better than my brothers really and 43 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: practice every sport on earth and just try and be 44 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: better than my brothers. So yeah, also competitive and just 45 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: loved being active. Really how many brothers too, and both 46 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: sport people. Yeah, my oldest brother's probably the more coordinated one. Sorry, 47 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: hope doesn't lis this, but yeah, so my older brother 48 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: and I kind of had a lot of backyard battles. 49 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 4: That sounds actually very similar my older brother and I. Well, 50 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 4: actually when you walked in before, that was my younger 51 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 4: brother gaming gaming desk. He's moving back him in time, 52 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 4: and dad he was gaming and his gaming desk. Now, 53 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 4: he was the gamer as a kid. Where's me and 54 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 4: my older brother were always super competitive out in the backyard. 55 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's literally the same. 56 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: My younger brother like loves his peers four more than 57 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: more than the actual games. 58 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 4: So yeah, how good. How did you first find a 59 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 4: love for cricket? 60 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, like most, you know, female cricketers, it's 61 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: kind of comes from your dad or your brother and yeah, 62 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: they you know, Dad loved cricket, older brother then loved cricket, 63 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: and it was always in the family. And then I'd 64 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: be in the backyard and I'd kind of go, oh, 65 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: can I have a go? And then my Dad's like, oh, 66 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: you've got you know, somewhat of a hand eye coordination. 67 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: So yeah, just kept kept having a go at the 68 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: end of you know, my brother's practice or whatever, and 69 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: then yeah, kind of fell in love with it. There's 70 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: so much to do in the sport and so much 71 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: to kind of uncover, and then Summers just literally was 72 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: cricket in our family. 73 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 3: So yeah, fell in love with it. 74 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 4: There being from Orange in a regional town, was that 75 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 4: what was your access to sport? 76 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: Like? 77 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: It was actually really good? 78 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, Orange is probably kind of a 79 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: central hub. It's got really good facilities. And I kind 80 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: of grew up in a in an era where it's 81 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: kind of valued and country sport has this buzz about 82 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: it and your community gets around it. And especially I 83 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: kind of grew up I was probably the only well, 84 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: I was the only girl in my in my cricket teams, 85 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: and I was just in brain. 86 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 3: It was just so great. 87 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: And similarly, you know, the facilities, the coaching, and yeah, 88 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: it was kind of probably blessing in disguise, like you know, 89 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: and my dad was probably my coach. 90 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 3: He was my coach, So why did I say, really, 91 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: my dad is my coach. 92 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: So I literally had a one on one coach for 93 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, pretty much til I was sixteen do you reckon. 94 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 4: There's a lot of untapped talent, Like maybe not a 95 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 4: big regional hub like Orange, but like if there's people 96 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 4: in more like rural and remote areas like I often wondered, 97 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 4: like surely there's got to be heaps of talent out 98 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 4: there that just don't have the access, Oh for sure. 99 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: And I think I was so fortunate. You know, I 100 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: went to a really good school in Orange and had 101 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: you know, my dad and people you know, supporting me 102 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: driving me to Sydney. But you look at you know, 103 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: some of the best cricketers, you know, Nathan Lyne, Josh 104 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: has with all from the country, and you go, there 105 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: are kids out there and dad sees them. 106 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: Dad still coaches out. 107 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: West and yeah, still sees you know, really talented kids. 108 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's kind of that access and that the 109 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: facilities and just investment into you know, little kids' careers. 110 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 1: But you don't know that, and you probably don't realize 111 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: that as a parent, But I guess like I come 112 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: down to Sydney and you know, when I was fourteen 113 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: fifteen and this like, you know, twenty girls in this 114 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: program in Sydney doing that gym sessions. 115 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, my God, Like, that's cool. 116 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, I would have loved to sort 117 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: of experience that and. 118 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: See what that was like. But yeah, I think I 119 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 3: had pretty much the same out of the country. 120 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 4: Because you're younger now, I always wonder like whether are 121 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 4: you part of that generation where it's changing, but you 122 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 4: did kind of still grow up, like you said, playing 123 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 4: with the boys. So it's if you were to go 124 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 4: back to Orange now. Are their girls teams? 125 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think not fully girls teams, but there's you know, 126 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: two or three girls in each team, and you know, 127 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: there's a kind of a female hub of you know, 128 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: girls that train on a Friday afternoon, not necessarily you know, 129 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: in each other's teams, but they come together and they 130 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: train together, and you know, it's really cool to see that. 131 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: And Dad kind of has a massive part in that 132 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: to play. Like usually parents kind of work when their children, 133 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: when their child's in it and then to kind of leave, 134 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: but he stayed there and just loves coaching little girls 135 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: and it's just it's so great, and that's kind of 136 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: the thing that I'd admire about him. He just like 137 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: he just loves it. And I'll call him on like 138 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: a Thursday night and I hear, you know, the indoor 139 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: center bars and some balls being him, I'm like, are 140 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: you at the endor Center it's like six thirty at. 141 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 3: Nine and he's like, yeah, I'm just with the girls 142 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: and yeah. They love him and it's it's so great. 143 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 4: What's dad's name? 144 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 3: Andy? 145 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 4: Shout out to Andy, Andy, Andy, Like, there's so many 146 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 4: people like that. I reckon that just like puts so 147 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 4: much into community sport. 148 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the country kind of vibe about it, 149 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: like yeah, and I had, you know, coaches growing up 150 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: that you know, would go till all hours just throwing 151 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: the balls and it's yeah, it's pretty cool. 152 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 3: That's awesome. 153 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 4: When did you work out? Like Dad was like, yeah, 154 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 4: you're not bad at backyard cricket, let's go like have 155 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 4: a crack at this. When we're like, oh, maybe I 156 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 4: might try to play for my country one day, Yeah, 157 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 4: I don't know. 158 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: I Yeah. 159 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: I was fortunate to grow up in an era where 160 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: I could watch the likes of Elise Perrie and you know, 161 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: Elisa Healy meg Landing on TV and kind of probably 162 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: I don't really think of it as a career option 163 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: because you don't really do that at that age. I 164 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: wanted to work at like the sports store, you know, 165 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: like I was just I just loved sport. But you know, 166 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: I probably when I started playing, getting my first bat, 167 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: probably at the age of eleven twelve, and you kind 168 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: of I remember going down to down to Sydney and 169 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: trailing for like the CIS side and childhood pe teacher 170 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: kind of goes, oh, do you want to play in that? 171 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: And sign you up and you go down to Sydney 172 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: and that's when I got selected in that. I go, okay, 173 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: like this is there's a there's a pathway and that's 174 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: kind of where it started. 175 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 176 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 4: Cool. And we were discussing off air that cricketers often 177 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 4: have a pretty straight down the line personality. I'm really 178 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 4: putting them in the box here. 179 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 1: Nah, yeah, you know more often than not, I reckon 180 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: if you compare it to other sports. 181 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 4: But yeah, because is that kind of the nature of 182 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 4: the game, Like it's it's obviously a team sport, but like, 183 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 4: particularly when you're batting, it's pretty individual, right, like you 184 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: just got to get in your zone and do your thing. Yeah, you, 185 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 4: from what I can tell, like you've got a real 186 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 4: character about you. I don't know if that sentence makes sense, 187 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 4: but you know what I'm saying, Yeah, did you how 188 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 4: did you find like, as a young person, did you 189 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 4: feel like you fit into the box of being a cricketer. 190 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: I probably didn't know that that was kind of a box, 191 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 3: but yeah, kind of. 192 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: I played hockey as well, so I love team sport 193 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: and but I also loved you know, working, you know, 194 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: I'd usually we put a wall up in our backyard, 195 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: so I played tennis or like I'd do the individual sports. 196 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: I love like working individually, but then I love the 197 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: team elements. So like cricket was the best thing ever 198 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: because you could you know, do not that I was 199 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: like selfish, but you could like work on kind of 200 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: craft which was badding for me, and and you come 201 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: together and celebrate it with the team. So yeah, it 202 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: was kind of a matchmad in Heaven. 203 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, cool looking at big Bash because it's a pretty 204 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 4: epic competition. How many years big Batch been going for 205 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 4: and ten? Yeah, so it's on similar maybe a year 206 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 4: ahead of AFLW because I think we've done nine seasons 207 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 4: to AFLW. What's it been like being part of a 208 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 4: domestic league like that. 209 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's epic. 210 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: I think it's one of the best of the world 211 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: and kind of just under so many great players and 212 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: continues to increase the you know, the standard of Australian cricket. 213 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 3: You know one of my. 214 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: Mates, George of vol there's my agent. She's just debut 215 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: for Australia and smashed it out of the park. But 216 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: might in the pun, but like she's she goes, oh yeah, 217 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: like international crickets. It's not like that far off domestic 218 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: cricket in Australia. Yeah, wow, you know she's got a 219 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: ton in her second innings and smash it and they're like, okay, 220 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: you're like so fine too, And a lot of people 221 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: could play international cricket because of the standard of Australian cricket, 222 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: which is awesome. 223 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's very cool. And when did you start to 224 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 4: notice that you had qualities that might be perceived as 225 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 4: good leadership qualities. I don't know. 226 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: I kind of did it as a kid growing up 227 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: in the pathways and I think, just like you to 228 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: my home, but the energy just to it's like the 229 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, as you say that the cricketers are 230 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: probably a bit quiet on the quieter side, and I've 231 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: probably bring this energy and inspire people through that And 232 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: I never really you know, trained it or purposely thought 233 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: about it, but I think, yeah, won the energy, but 234 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: also just like the action, leading from my actions and 235 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: bringing teams together with that. 236 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 4: A lot of people who become leaders kind of have 237 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 4: almost established themselves as a player and then like add 238 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 4: don't necessarily like add the leadership on, but they kind 239 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 4: of like progress into that. But has it been a 240 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 4: weird thing to be like still developing as a younger 241 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 4: player but then at the same time doing the leadership stuff. 242 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't know if if I was just 243 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: an average cricket, I probably wouldn't be later, but you 244 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I feel like you get 245 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: in these roles because of the experience that I had 246 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: at international level. And yeah, it was such a great 247 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: learning curve this year. It was massive. I've probably you know, 248 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: I was very on the edge to take it just 249 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: because of my age, but oh man, I loved it. 250 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: Like it was it was a challenge, but it was 251 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: also really rewarding. And I think, yeah, taking on that 252 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: leadership so young probably teaches you more about leadership than 253 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: you probably, Like I never really sat down and go, Okay, 254 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: this is the theory of leadership. It's just learning on 255 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: the go, and that was probably my favorite part of it. 256 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that chatting WPL because I'm I just 257 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 4: find it's so intriguing. 258 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the most it's just like it's a beast 259 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 3: in itself. Yeah. 260 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 4: Can you give a bit of background for people who 261 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 4: might not watch a bit of cricket. Yeah, So it's 262 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 4: like the IP also the men's Indian League but women's 263 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 4: and it's pretty much the Big Bash, but an Indian version, 264 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 4: and it's just it's crazy like Indians, it's a religion 265 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 4: over there and they just get around it so much. 266 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 4: And there's a lot of money in. 267 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: It as well. 268 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 4: The auctions are my favorite. Oh my gosh, it's like 269 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 4: so just so strange. 270 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: I remember watching it when I got the auction, probably 271 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: like his last year and yeah, your name comes up 272 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: and it's like it's a bit of science and you're like, 273 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's like. 274 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: What do you work? And it's just such an odd 275 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: thing to think. 276 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: About because usually, you know, in every other team, you 277 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: get your manager, you know, and the team reaches out 278 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: and it's a very you know, just a conversation really 279 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: all behind. 280 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 4: Closed doors and they're all this big public thing. 281 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's the show of it. 282 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: The culture over there just love it and it's this 283 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: kind of yeah, not a game show, but you know, 284 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: you just invest in your team and you invest in 285 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: the players, and so you're invested in it like you're 286 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: it's like a show. 287 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 3: So it's very cool. 288 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, So they do. They have a salary cap that 289 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 4: they can bid on and then your name comes up 290 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 4: and the different teams can kind of throw numbers and 291 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 4: it just keeps getting higher and higher. Yeah, so you 292 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 4: kind of just like want two teams to try and 293 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 4: go for you, and then they just keep going. That's 294 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 4: like what happened to NFL Sublan. You know, two teams 295 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 4: are after and then they've kind of just got so 296 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 4: much money it's ridiculous. So well, not compared to the men, 297 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 4: but it's like it's so cool for them sport the 298 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 4: numbers that you're thinking about, and yeah, two teams just 299 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 4: go head to head and then sometimes like they go 300 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 4: for a while and then another team comes in. 301 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just like it's so fun. 302 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 4: Oh good. But yeah, and what was the experience like 303 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 4: being a part of it? 304 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 3: It was really cool. 305 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, they just you treated like a like a god 306 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: over there. You know, everything's done for you. It's it's 307 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: pretty insane. And then yeah, I think just the crowds, 308 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: like you're getting probably like the to forty thousand each game, 309 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: even if you're not the home team, and just you know, 310 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: crazy middle aged Indian men just screaming and you're like, 311 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: I don't think like you could make that noise, Like 312 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: I just could imagine like like like thousands of Australian 313 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 1: men screaming. You're like, that's not right, but it's so 314 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: great in India. It's just like it just happens. It's 315 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: just so funny. That's amazing. 316 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 4: Is it a weird contrast to go from like being 317 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 4: like a god over there to coming home not saying 318 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 4: that like when you're representing your country, it's not like that, 319 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 4: but I imagine there's the way that you're treated is pretty 320 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 4: unique when you're over in India. 321 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it kind of shows you're like, Okay, you 322 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: know this is this isn't life. It's it's it's very 323 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: cool and it's amazing. But it probably shows where our 324 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: team is and. 325 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: We're very grounded. We've like grown up. Oh to be fair. 326 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: I've grown up in a very fortunate position, but the 327 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: likes of at least bro Alisa herely've grown up, you know, 328 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: not getting paid a lot and now reaping the rewards. 329 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: But they know, you know, where they've come from. How 330 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: like they've had to work hard, and they're like India's 331 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: just like treated like gods and they come over and 332 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: they think they're you know, top shit and then we 333 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: smash them free nil wash. 334 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 3: So it's it's kind of funny, but that's great. 335 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, whilst it's nice, it's always nice to come back 336 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 4: home and debut for you played Australia a first. Yeah, 337 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 4: that's right. But can we chat about your debut for 338 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 4: the Australian team. 339 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, debut in India actually in the T twenty stuff, 340 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: but yeah, I was literally a sick replacement. So the 341 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: real debut was probably back in Australia and I was 342 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: opening the batting with Beth Mooney and yeah, got some 343 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: runs which was awesome. A family was there and kind 344 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: of yeah, it was just a dream come true and 345 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: it was pretty Yeah, it was a really cool day 346 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: and then two days later was yeah, they come thick 347 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: and faster games. But was it back out there and 348 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: scored some more runs. So yeah, it was an epic 349 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: weekend and kind of yeah, it was a dream come true. 350 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: And for it to go like that, it's like, oh 351 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: my god, you know, you dream about it the night before. 352 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, let's not get it 353 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: dark or yeah, you know, but yeah, it's pretty cool 354 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: for it to happen like that. What do you think 355 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: had happened in the lead up? 356 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 4: What had you done in the lead up to step 357 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 4: out in such a big moment, Because it's like you're 358 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 4: making a debut, You're opening the batting with someone of 359 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 4: the caliber of Beth Mooney. I mean that you could 360 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 4: pick multiple people of that caliber and that team, like 361 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 4: there's so much history in the Australian women's cricket team. 362 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 4: I'd be so nervous, Like what did you do so 363 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 4: that you were ready to go? 364 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, And I look back at that moment 365 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: all my debuts, like I've kind of like just experienced 366 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: it and it's probably a bit of naivety. You just 367 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: go in and it's just I wish I could like 368 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm pretty young still, but like harness, that 369 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: just openness and freedom. I think, and that was probably 370 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: what I went in with the day. I was just like, 371 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: this is just the best thing ever. You know, I've 372 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: dreamt of this moment for my whole life. I might 373 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: as well just gone out and enjoy it. And the 374 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: game kind of yeah, we weren't chasing my so I 375 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: was going out there with a bit less nerves. 376 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 3: So yeah, just go out there and enjoy it. 377 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 4: Really, you mentioned a few of the big names in 378 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 4: that team. Is there anyone in particular that you've learned. 379 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: From like a lot I've I've probably you know, looked 380 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: the way look at the way Pez goes about her work. Yeah, 381 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: they talk, you know, I like, I'd follow them on 382 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: Instagram and they get always so she's the professional blah 383 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: blah blah. But then like seeing it firsthand, you just go, wow, Yeah, 384 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: just the way she thinks about the game, the way 385 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: she prepares, the way she debriefs it, and then the 386 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: way she trains. 387 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: She's just the ultimate professional. 388 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: And I think she's inspired a lot of players in 389 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: our group to you know, do the same, you know, 390 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: adopt a few few of her habits. And and then 391 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: since coming into the New South Wales group and the 392 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: Australian group. Ashgardner, who's at New South Wales was was 393 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: awesome and kind of took me under a wing and 394 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: helped me with training and so yeah, it's been just 395 00:17:58,320 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: a great environment. 396 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 4: Have you got a favorite format? 397 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 3: It's really tough. I love all of them. 398 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: I've lack as soon as I got selected in the 399 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: T twenty for Australia, I've really loved that that game. 400 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: It's just it's quick, it's fun, it's entertaining. But then 401 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: also love the ODR format. You got more timer than 402 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: the test. Oh it's hard. I don't know, Actually can't decide. Yeah, 403 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: I actually don't have a favorite. 404 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 4: I don't think can you give us a because a 405 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 4: lot of what we do with the Female Athlete Project 406 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 4: is we've got obviously lots of sports fans already, but 407 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 4: we like to try and break things down for people 408 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 4: who maybe don't know a lot about cricket. Can you 409 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 4: give us a breakdown of the three formats? 410 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? 411 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: So the team format, Chris so complicated. So I try 412 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: like talking to my we'll explain to. 413 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 3: My friends and they just don't understand. But I don't know. 414 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: It's just like twenty overs, so six balls in each over, 415 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: and each team gets twenty overs to bat and you 416 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: try and post a big total, and then the other 417 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: team gets to do the same and you try and 418 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: score as many runs or more so. And then the 419 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: fifty ZHO format is fifty hours of that version, and 420 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: then the Test is just a whole different beast. It's 421 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: pretty much you just you can bat as for as 422 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: long as you like. You pretty much have to bat 423 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: twice and scores score more runs than them. That was 424 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 1: a good explainer. That's a good breakdown. 425 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 3: I like, Okay, I's twenty wickets to win the Test match. 426 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: That's always a good thing. You have to bowl the 427 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: team out twice. Yeah, less runs, Yeah than you make. 428 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 4: That was good. Yeah you look so sure. 429 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 3: Exactly. 430 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: No, it's more just like I just play it and 431 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: I know the rules, but like to explain about how 432 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: I actually explain. 433 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 434 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was a good little Yeah you did well, 435 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: thank you, well done, good girl, good job. 436 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 4: I want to chat about you off field in terms 437 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 4: of like how have you approached building your brand as 438 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 4: an athlete, Like we talked about you having a bit 439 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 4: of personality about you, how much of you kind of 440 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 4: harness that versus just being like, well, I'm just being myself. Yeah, 441 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 4: I don't know, And I think, yeah, I've never frunt 442 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 4: to force anything because that just becomes too unnatural and awkward. 443 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 4: And you know, the Instagram and all that stuff and 444 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 4: the TikTok, it's it's kind of a massive platform for 445 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 4: women's sport or just sport in general. Like I love 446 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 4: watching you know, Day in the Lives and all these 447 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,479 Speaker 4: female athletes just like so amazing at it and it's 448 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 4: such a great insight. But when I think of doing 449 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 4: it myself, I'm like, oh, what, you know, it's this 450 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 4: kind of I don't know, So I just like try 451 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 4: to be myself. I probably, yeah, don't give it so 452 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 4: much on my own socials, but you know, on on 453 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 4: the Australian Women's Women's page and and through my endorsements, 454 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 4: try to show a bit more personality. But yeah, it's 455 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 4: just being myself and hopefully that gets gets us as well. 456 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 4: Have you found yourself almost wanting to say yes to everything? 457 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, no, I've It's funny, I think because 458 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: I'm still in this kind of honeymoon phase of international 459 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: cricket and and you know, being on the top stage, 460 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: I've been like, oh yeah, let's go do that, and 461 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: all the older players like, oh god, not another appearance 462 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what do you mean we go get 463 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: into like play crook with some. 464 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 3: Girls and I'm like, oh okay. 465 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: But then yeah, I found, like in the big batch 466 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: recently with the with the leadership, had a lot more 467 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: media and you know, was saying yes to everything and 468 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: kind of like got a little bit training and I 469 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: was like, hey, this is probably what like all the 470 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: older players feel. They you know, it doesn't last forever. 471 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: This you know, buzz about the sport and coming in 472 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: so early. I think I've kind of lived through it 473 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: and I loved it. But it comes a point where 474 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: you're like, okay, this is actually my job and it's 475 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: actually going for a lot of years. You know, I've 476 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: played probably two years in international cricket, and not that 477 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: it's lost, it's like you know energy, but you go, okay, 478 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: you settled in now and kind of getting used to 479 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: the routine and yeah, so saying yes to everything is 480 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: actually quite tiring sometimes whilst you know you still want 481 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: to you know, grow the sports brand, your personal brand, 482 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: but yeah, it takes a toll. 483 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 4: Sometimes I'm curious about that meat like chatting to media thing, 484 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 4: because there's this like I'm so curious when I just 485 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 4: watch athletes get interview like postmatch and whatever. You like 486 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 4: see some athletes who are like very much like tick 487 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 4: the box, like credit to the boys type response, like 488 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 4: how far do you take it where you want? You 489 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 4: still want your personality to come across, but you can't 490 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 4: put your foot in it and say something ridiculous. 491 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny, and I I, you know, my mum 492 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,479 Speaker 1: will send me articles and I'm like, god, no, I 493 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: was like I said that with a laugh, and I 494 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: hate that. And then You're right, it's like it's like 495 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: the worst and you're like, oh my god, did I 496 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: say that? And I'm like, no, I said it as 497 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 1: a joke, and all the other reporters are laughing. 498 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's not good. 499 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: I'm like learning some media skills in that way as 500 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: well from pure experience. But yeah, and I found myself. Yeah, 501 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: there was one moment in the Big Bash where we 502 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: changed the order and you know, like you're not supposed 503 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: to tell everyone your secrets. They're like, oh, why do 504 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: you change And I just just told them and then 505 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like probably shouldn't have done that, 506 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: but yeah, whoops. Anyway, Like so just things like that, 507 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: so purely just learning off the cuff, but yeah, trying 508 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: to make it interesting at the same time. 509 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 4: What do you hope to achieve in your international career? WHOA, 510 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 4: that's big, it's a big question. 511 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 3: I don't know. 512 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: I like, you know, my kind of goal is to 513 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: score as many runs as possible, and that's my kind 514 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: of job in the team, and that probably motivates me 515 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: the most, not that I measure it in any way, 516 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: but you know, I'm not looking at my average every 517 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: ten seconds, but it's probably contributed aside the way I 518 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: want to and feeling comfortable in that way, I think, 519 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, since coming into the side, it's very daunting, 520 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: like they're very successful and probably have you know, one 521 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: of the most successful sides in Australian sport, and to 522 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: come in and fail a bit and go. 523 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 3: Oh, like is that okay? 524 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: And even in the nets, like I feel like when 525 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: I was, you know, not hit the ball very well, 526 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, this is like a performance. 527 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 3: So I'm like going into the nets where it should be. 528 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: Like a nice environment to just train, I'm like nervous 529 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: because I'm like, I don't want to fail, and it's 530 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: like being able to just like be comfortable in that 531 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: space to score runs and contribute to the side and 532 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: then hopefully yeah, like all the most runs. I don't 533 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: know how to put that, but yeah, we'd love to 534 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: break some record for scoring the most amount of Paz's record, surely, Yeah, 535 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: I'll try. God, it's hard. 536 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 4: How did you That was quite interesting, that whole idea 537 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 4: of feeling like you were performing, And I imagine there's 538 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 4: a lot of young athletes who would feel very similar 539 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 4: to them, Like walking into any environment, like I can't 540 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 4: imagine walking into the Australian women's cricket team, but walking 541 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 4: into any professional or elite environment as a young athlete, 542 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 4: you feel like you are completely on show with everything 543 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 4: you were doing. How did you go from being a 544 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 4: performer who was quite fearful to someone who could get 545 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 4: into the nets and actually feel comfortable. 546 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it just was down to being okay 547 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: with failing, Like I was just so I'd chastise myself, 548 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: like I'd be so hard on myself, and a lot 549 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: of like my teammates are like, oh my on, like chill, 550 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: it's fine, and i'd just be so nervous. 551 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 3: I'd always have to like wear new gloves. 552 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: But like in my first couple of NET sessions, because 553 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to, you know, like if the head coach 554 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: was bowling to me like this is like a selection process, right, yeah, 555 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,479 Speaker 1: But none of them were thinking that. So it's just 556 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: like getting out of my own head and talking to 557 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: my psych and going, you're actually so fine, it's all 558 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: in your head, and just go out and enjoy it. 559 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: And I think it's probably taken just to mature a 560 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: bit and realized that, yeah, it's so not bad, that 561 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: it's okay to fail, and it's like where you learn 562 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: your most and and actually like being happy to fail. 563 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: I think that's probably the biggest thing that I've learned. 564 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: And then you're comfortable and you can learn from that 565 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: instead of like using it as a oh no, I 566 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: failed today, Like that's really bad. Like what is everyone thinking? 567 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: It's probably like yeah, yeah, popo, fear of people's opinions 568 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,239 Speaker 1: po po. Yeah, that's like the biggest one I've had 569 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: to get over. So yeah, okay, yeah, it's a big one, 570 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: isn't it. Touching on that failure topic, do you have 571 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: a favorite failure. Oh I think, I don't know, I 572 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: reckon It's probably like a blanketed It's like kind of 573 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: the whole experience of yeah, probably just like being so 574 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: hard on myself that actually is like worse for me, 575 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: probably the self sabotage, you know, you know, I'd be 576 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: out in the middle and thinking I'm going so Paul 577 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: and get myself out and thinking about like I was 578 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: talking to one of my mentors and she's like, the 579 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: biggest like the biggest threat to you is yourself, Like 580 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: you're actually getting yourself out more often than other people 581 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: are getting yourself out. 582 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 3: So that was probably the biggest thing. Like the wait, 583 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 3: am I answering that question? 584 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: Right? 585 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. 586 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can take it wherever you want to take ye. 587 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: Like, just like probably the self sabotage and that kind 588 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: of thing was probably the biggest failure that I've kind 589 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: of had in my career that's probably turned and going Okay, 590 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: you know, I need to actually work on this, and 591 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: I have done some work on it, which is really 592 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: rewarding and being able to just accept like little you know, 593 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: I won't hit a ball cleanly out in the middle, 594 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: but two years ago I would have been like oh no, yeah, 595 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: like I'm off here, what's happening? Or like I've faced 596 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: two dot balls and teams will be like, oh, she's 597 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: like gonna get herself out here. So little things like that, 598 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: and it's always worse in your head. But yeah, probably 599 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: those those failures internally they like, yeah, teach myself. 600 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 4: I like that. When you talk about wanting to break 601 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 4: records and doing all those things, why do you want 602 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 4: to do that? What makes you want to do with it? 603 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 3: Do that? 604 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, And it's probably bad to think of 605 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: like the end result as a goal, but it's great. 606 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, Just like I just love scoring runs. 607 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: Put it plaintly. 608 00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 609 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,239 Speaker 1: The feeling of, you know, scoring one hundred for your 610 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: country and you contribute into the site and knowing that 611 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 1: you've done your job is like the best feeling that 612 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: I have when I play crickets. So to do that yeah, 613 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: over and over again, Yeah for my country is just 614 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: the dream. So hopefully you could do that more and 615 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: hopefully that ends in some records. 616 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 4: But we'll say, what does it feel like when you 617 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 4: get to knock a hundred for your country? 618 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool. I've on the data twice, but it's 619 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 3: like the best feeling. 620 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: It's just so relieved, relieving because like batting is so hard, 621 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: oh my god, well not not hard, but just like 622 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: success rate, you fail so much more than you succeed 623 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: and you can go on. You know, I've had patches 624 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: where I haven't scored over twenty for like you know, 625 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: six or seven innings and you're going, god, where's my 626 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: next run here? And then you get all tants and 627 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: you can you know, each ball that comes down and 628 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: can have your name on it, and you have to 629 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: walk off and sit there and watch everyone else do it. 630 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: So it's pretty brutal in that sense. So you know, 631 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: when you get in and you get to that figure, 632 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: you're like, okay, great, like you know my hard work 633 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: and my training that you know it has paid off 634 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: because sometimes you feel a million bucks and you know 635 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: I've gone to the nets. I'm like, oh my god, 636 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: I'm on here. Girls, like you know, can bring on tomorrow. 637 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: And then you get a nice little peach just saving away, 638 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: you nick it and you walk off and you're like right, cool, cool, 639 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: And that's it's just so brutal because like you literally 640 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: only get one chance and that's probably one thing that 641 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: I've had to learn and just adapt and kind of accept. 642 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: That's probably the biggest thing, Like except that you're probably 643 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: going to fail a lot, but if you can control 644 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: what you do before the match after the match, and 645 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: that sort of stays consistent. 646 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 3: And then she got to accept it on the day. 647 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 3: But that was a really long answer. I'm here for it. 648 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 4: You like watching scoring a ton, but that's right now. 649 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 4: I'm here for it. Who has had the biggest impact 650 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 4: on you as a person? 651 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 3: Pretty hard to go past. My dad, Andy might get 652 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 3: the show. 653 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: Yeah Andy, sorry, Mom, Sorry, you love you. But equally 654 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: you know the person I am, but the probably the 655 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: cricketer and the player and the person. 656 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 3: Yeah dad, he's pretty good. 657 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 4: I like that. Has there been a moment that changed 658 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 4: the course of your life. 659 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: The day I picked up a cricket bat, probably Yeah, 660 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: to think where I am now and doing this for 661 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: a job. Yeah, I've got some college mates that are 662 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: very jealous that I don't have to work at Dan 663 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: Murphy's and you know, sit there and nine to five 664 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: and an office job. So yeah, so fortunate that you know, 665 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: was able to kind of pursue a career in sport 666 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: and the way that it's you know, the way that 667 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: sport is valued in Australia at the moment, women's sports. 668 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 3: It's so cool to to think that I could have 669 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 3: done it for a job, and so it's pretty cool. 670 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 4: How good. I don't know when this app's going to 671 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 4: come out because we're technically still on a break, but 672 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,239 Speaker 4: talk to us about the Ashes series because it's going 673 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 4: to be epic. 674 00:30:59,480 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 675 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 3: We are so. 676 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: Pumped, really nervous because it's like the probably the best 677 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: two sides in the world at the moment, and we've 678 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: had some you know, we went over last two years 679 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: ago in the Ashes and we drew it and it's 680 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: kind of like both teams left going oh okay, like 681 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: the next one we're winning it. So and equally they're 682 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: thinking the same. So I think it's going to be 683 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: a really awesome contest and yeah, I'm really pumped. 684 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 4: Oh good. Yeah, thank you so much for your time today. 685 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 4: Be greatfully, I'm having a chat looking for it to 686 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 4: watching the Ashes. Thanks so much for listening. If you 687 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 4: got something out of this episode, I would absolutely love 688 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 4: it if you could send it on to one person 689 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 4: who you think might enjoy it. 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