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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Liquor Commission, requesting the body use its

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Clinton, Morning, katiend Palmerston.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show. Now, Clinton, I

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Speaker 1: understand that you asked for a number of areas to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so.

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Speaker 3: I think first of all, I'd like to say it's

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Speaker 3: we've finally got word that a inquiry will commence. So

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Speaker 3: what I've what I asked for is that they look

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Speaker 1: So far, what have the Commission told you in terms

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Speaker 1: So from your perspective, I mean, is there still anti

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Speaker 3: And so I think that one hundred percent, and we've

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Speaker 1: So there are plenty of good people in public housing.

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Speaker 3: The fact is public housing is a privilege and it

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Speaker 1: Clinton. Before I let you go this morning, to anybody

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Speaker 3: I say to them, I understand, I completely understand. And

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Speaker 3: You know, nothing's going to stop me on this mission

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Speaker 1: Well, it's the thing though, right, like the Liquor Commission, Like,

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Speaker 1: it's a situation where you're being driven right now by

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Speaker 1: it's not acceptable and it can't be just you know,

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, and I think, you know, it's why I

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Speaker 2: Actually do this role.

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Speaker 3: And I won't just keep walking past it. We've got

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Speaker 2: She also wrote in.

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Speaker 3: To support the report and I think what that did was,

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Speaker 2: Hey, red flags are We've got.

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Speaker 3: To do something. So yeah, I do thank the mayor

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Speaker 3: for the support there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. She had joined us on the show and told

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Speaker 1: us the same thing. Clinton, Howe really good to speak

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Speaker 1: with you this morning. Appreciate your time. I think it's

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Speaker 1: really important that we do catch up with our local

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Speaker 1: members and hear from our bees because you guys are

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Speaker 1: it is really important to have that catch up. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much for joining us on the show this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, Thanks Palmerston and our catch this later.

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Speaker 1: Thank you