1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken the podcast. It's not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Sophie Torva. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: That is so fat Thank you. Welcome back to the 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: greatest city in the world. We are currently hosting zach 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: Efron at the moment, he is not personally, not personally 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: I wish personally, but he is filming a movie here 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: in Adelaide, and I mean Byron Bay who I know. Well, 11 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: we've had some great COVID numbers. You know, we're back, 12 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: We're bustling, we're you know, acting normal in our city, 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: obviously with COVID rules in place. But to make things 14 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: even better, as sov said, we've got zach Efron here. 15 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: Who would have thought, And this is the greatest thing 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: to ever happen to the city of Adelaide. You should 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: see the girls currently on the street, always fucking binoculars 18 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: trying to bump into zach Efron. We saw on Twitter 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: he was at Greater Union now one of our friends Sarah. 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: She sorry, now one of our friends, Sarah. We had 21 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: a picnic with her the other day. And I don't 22 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: know if this is a compliment or an insult. I'm 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: taking it as a compliment. She said that we're some 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: of the best stalkers she knows, and she because we're 25 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: in PR, yeah, being in PR and former journalists, that 26 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: she wanted to find out if we knew where zac 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: Efron was. And here's a little tip to anyone trying 28 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: to find him. The best thing to do is to 29 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: go on Twitter and you start typing random terms like 30 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: zac Efron and met. I don't know if that's a 31 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: really random term when you're looking for zac Efron to 32 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: type his name. No, no, you made in the most recent field. Yeah, yeah, 33 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: I said, you go zac Efron and met and then 34 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: you go latest and that's where I found out zac 35 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: Efron has been hanging out at the Gold Class cinemas 36 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: in Adelaide. Now you're confusing people, because so if you 37 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: said Greater Union and you said Gold Class, I don't 38 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: think greater Unions even a thing. Isn't it like event movie? 39 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: What's out the movie? So that was a Glennelle because 40 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: there's rumors. So the movie is filming in glenelg In, 41 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: which is a beachside town in Adelaide that is twenty 42 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: minutes from my house. Does that mean zach Efron is 43 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: twenty minutes away from us? As we recorded, I used 44 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: to live at Brion, which is like two minutes from 45 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: glenel Guys. I said it was gold class. So there's 46 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: gold class in lots of different movie theaters. We don't 47 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: know which theater. I did try and stalk the girl 48 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: on Facebook who did say on Twitter that she had 49 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: found him, but nothing else is up about where she works. 50 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: It's so funny because my boyfriend is the biggest zac 51 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: Efron fan. He loves high school musical and as soon 52 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: as he heard this news, he came home and he 53 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: said to me, if I see him, should I go out? 54 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: Twins live in my own work And I was like, please, 55 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: please do not. That's like something that Brandon would do. 56 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: It was like, what was that footy player that drove past? 57 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: And he started like singing in this guy his favorite 58 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: football player is Jack Watts, And we were sitting in 59 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: the car in the city. I love the question, and 60 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: you're told about Jack Watts and he walked past, and 61 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 1: Brandon literally had a freek. He's like, oh my god, 62 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god. And I was thinking 63 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: he's yelling that loudly that this guy can probably hear 64 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: us and we're the same age as him, Like yeah, 65 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: And then he did an excited you know, you know 66 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: what were you gonna say? Yeah, I say it did 67 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: an excited Oh my gosh. Can I just ask you guys? What? 68 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: Can I just ask you guys? What is your take 69 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: on seeing a celebrity out in the wild as per se? 70 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: If you saw zach Efron, would you go up to 71 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: him and ask for a photo or would you kind 72 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: of play it cool? I'm assuming how he's you know, 73 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: Byron bay girlfriend played it and would you just pretend 74 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: that you didn't know who he was? Well, I think 75 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: that's why everyone's up in arms at the moment, now 76 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: that he's going out or dating some normal girl. I 77 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: think everyone in Adelaide thinks through in with a chance. 78 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: I think I would like to think I would act normal, 79 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: but I would probably just go up and ask for 80 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: a photo. But I would be worried that you know 81 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: that moment where a celebrity like rejects you in terms 82 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: of like tells you to piss off. I would be 83 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: worried because I do love zac Efron, and I'd be 84 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: so worried that would happen and it would tarnish my 85 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: opinion of him. I think I'd go up and I'd 86 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: just be like, oh, I just wanted to say that 87 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of your work. I don't want 88 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: to bring attention to the thing Amy thinks that she's 89 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: the most like and then have no idea what she's doing, Like, 90 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: would it be so fun? Imagine awkward? Maybe we'll have 91 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: to try and get him on the podcast. Maybe that 92 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: could be out in Maybe yeah, we did this podcast, 93 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: then would you be on it? It's just at our house, 94 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: done road. Imagine Brandon coming in and zac Efron's up 95 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: here recording with us. Well, we literally had the discussion 96 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: that he was apparently also hiking at Caypo Forest and 97 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: I said, oh my god, imagine if we saw him. 98 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: He's like, what do you mean? And I was like, well, 99 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: I'd be exciting, wouldn't it. And he was so jealous. 100 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no chance. We're so man fly. Yeah, 101 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: they're not a stary Heaven that week caach child soone 102 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: freaking Chloe's Eva Mitchell Orville have hit back at claim 103 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: they're anti vaxxers. The couple took to YouTube to debunk 104 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: the myth and explains they will vaccinate their son artists, So, 105 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: can you tell us a bit more about what went down? Well, 106 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: ever since they've become parents, I feel like everyone has 107 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: wondered whether they are going to vaccinate their son. Chloe 108 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: seems to have a very holistic approach to medicine. She's 109 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: always talking about naturopaths, and it was quite evident that 110 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: they were going to share a lot about their son 111 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: and the big life decisions I suppose they were going 112 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: to make around him. They were even going to make 113 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: a family channel up. So people seem to think it 114 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: was weird that we hadn't heard anything about him getting vaccinated. 115 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: So during one of Instagram page Seleb Spellcheck's Q and 116 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: A sessions, a fan anonymously asked do you think Chloe 117 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: Zepp and Mitchell have vaccinated their baby? Celebspel Check responded saying, disclaimer, 118 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: I can't say this is fact. However, she follows an 119 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: anti vaxx Instagram page and artists as well over the 120 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: age that a baby would generally get their first vaccinations. 121 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: Connection was made considering Chloe was following the page, and 122 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: I feel like they did seem like they needed to 123 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: clear it up a little bit. So Chloe and Mitch 124 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: released a YouTube video last week, and we'll throw a 125 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: little bit to what they said. Well, we're telling about 126 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: the doctors yesterday. 127 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the other thing we're getting all this 128 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: frandom fucking. 129 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: Oh everyone's saying we're anti vaxis and. 130 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: Ship we're not. Also, like I think with vaccinations, we 131 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: just wasn't like, I don't know, I think if you're 132 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: a parent, you might understand this. It's not I don't know. 133 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: Maybe we're just really like oversensitive. But we just didn't 134 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 2: feel confidence just jabbing him in like all these vaccinations 135 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 2: straight away without looking into it ourselves, Like I felt 136 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: we were allowed to do our own research. Isn't that right? 137 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: So what we've ended up working out was like, we need. 138 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: To prepare his immummune system so that because you do 139 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: have reactions and they get temperatures and their immune system 140 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: has to work hard to combat the vaccine. Yeah. Right, 141 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: So all these. 142 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: Pages stop saying that yeah, so fucking celeb spell check 143 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: and that is. 144 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: So they basically went on to explain that they are 145 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: getting artists's body ready for this vaccination. They said that 146 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: they are seeing a conventional doctor, but it's also an 147 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: integrated doctor. So I think that there is some neutropathy 148 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: within that the services offered there. So they were basically 149 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: saying that Chloe is going to be taking a lot 150 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: of vitamins, eating very healthy for the next two weeks, 151 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: so the artist gets that through her breast milk and 152 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I feel like it 153 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: is their decision what they want to do with their child. Yeah, 154 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: I one hundred percent agree. What do you guys think 155 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: about the job at celebspellcheck. I can see why they 156 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: made the job. I mean, I do enjoy the page 157 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: and I do like the fact that it keeps influencers 158 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: to account. But to be fair, celebtspellcheck did say disclaimer, 159 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: I don't know this the fact we're just putting two 160 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: and two together and that's kind of what you expect. 161 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: I mean, we have seen artists be born on the 162 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: YouTube channel. We've kind of been keeping up to date 163 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: with everything that's going on in his life. So it 164 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: is kind of a reasonable assumption you would make that 165 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: we haven't seen his vaccination, so perhaps he's not being vaccinated. Well, 166 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: they did explain in their video that they kind of 167 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: were exploring their options. They said that they were doing 168 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: a lot of research into it and they didn't feel 169 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: comfortable just jabbing him with any vaccination straight away, So 170 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: you can kind of see why people were assuming perhaps 171 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: they were anti vaxxes. Well, one thing that I like 172 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: is that they didn't actually share that thought process with everyone, because, 173 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: as we know, it's extremely dangerous to be pushing anti vaccinations. 174 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: So good on them for not saying, oh, we've actually 175 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: been thinking about it. They've actually come to a point 176 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: where they've said, we've decided to vaccinate him because we 177 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: think it's the right thing to do. I think that 178 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: is really positive. Obviously, there's going to be speculation when 179 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: you put your child's life on Instagram and YouTube whether 180 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: you're going to be doing that or not. I thought 181 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: it was kind of interesting though, how they did actually 182 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: mention celeb spellcheck, because it's kind of you know, you 183 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: can see why a lot of podcasts and why a 184 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: lot of pages tend to focus on big celebrity news 185 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: because in Australia we're in this strange sort of field 186 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: where these influencers are normal people, but they also live 187 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: a lifestyle that is so different to normal Australians that well, 188 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: they actually have the time, yeah, to see what people 189 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: are saying about them online and reply to them, whereas 190 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: people who were film actors filming movies, they just don't 191 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: give a shit and do it at the time. It 192 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: is a funny thing. I suppose that's the thing with influences, 193 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: that they are just normal people that sort of share 194 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: their lives with us, and that's why they feel like 195 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: they shouldn't be spoken about. But you're actually giving us 196 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: access to your life, so why would we not speak 197 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: about you exactly? Well, going back to the video, I 198 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: did find it quite amusing because they were showing themselves 199 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: cooking all this healthy food in the kitchen and they 200 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: were talking about how they've cut out dairy, they're only 201 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: eating healthy food at the advice of their natural path, 202 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: and it did seem like they were taking a very 203 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: holistic approach to making sure the artist's immune system was 204 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: in check. I found that interesting because Chloe has been 205 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: very much talking about these postpart of meals that she's 206 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,599 Speaker 1: been having that are meant to be giving her a 207 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: lot of vitamins and energy. So it's quite you know, 208 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: ironic that she's saying, now I'm boosting my diet. I 209 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: think we are seeing a bit of a gen rational 210 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: shift because our parents would have gone straight to the 211 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: GP to get all the advice, and now we're seeing 212 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: young mums on Instagram who have grown up a little 213 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: bit differently, who have gone and they've had naturopaths themselves 214 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: for a number of years, and now they're integrating this 215 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 1: way of thinking into their child's life. Well, I don't 216 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: think it's necessarily that they've grown up differently. I think 217 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: that naturopaths are becoming more recognized in society and it 218 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: is something that we're taking more seriously than ever before. 219 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: But it does open them up to criticism as well, 220 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: because a lot of people just don't understand naturopaths and 221 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: they think it's all mumbo jumbo. I think the issue 222 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: is that a lot of people use Google rather than 223 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: going to a professional naturopath. I think also you've got 224 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: to combine seeing a nature path with also seeing a doctor. 225 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: The two should be going hand in hand. Well, another 226 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: influencer who has been accused of being an anti vaxxer 227 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: is Sarah's Day. 228 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: Now. 229 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: This is despite Sarah never coming out and actually saying 230 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: she is an anti vaxxer, which I think is an 231 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: important thing to note because a lot of people are 232 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: putting two and two together like they did with Chloe 233 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: and Mitch, and coming to their own definition of what 234 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: this person and believes in. Well, it's so funny because 235 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: I feel like saying, oh, the proof is that they 236 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: haven't documented the process. It's like, well, what name one 237 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: influencer who has I mean, no one's calling Sky Wheatley 238 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: an anti vaxer. I haven't seen her filming Flora's getting 239 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: his vaccination. Actually, I think some people have been accusing 240 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: her of being an antidote because they haven't seen it. 241 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: But I can understand why people are making these accusations 242 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: because with Sarah's Day and also with Sky and Chloe, 243 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: we have seen a lot of the journey of firstly 244 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: Sarah becoming pregnant, so she actually shared forty two YouTube 245 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: videos of her pregnancy journey. She's then shared eighty two 246 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: videos since she's had her son, Fox, and Fox has 247 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: featured very heavily in those videos, and if you have 248 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: a look, I mean, she has gotten seven point seven 249 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: million views on her birth log alone, so I can 250 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: see why so many people are invested into the process. 251 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: And you would think because there's been a bunch of 252 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: milestones that she's shared. She's shared the gender review, she's 253 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: announced the name obviously, the birth, and there's all these 254 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: milestones along the way, so you know, you would think 255 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: she would show us him getting his vaccination. But that 256 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: being said, I feel like, because you know, her and 257 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: Chloe are known for being quite holistic in their approach, 258 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: I feel like maybe they're scared to share the fact 259 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: that they are getting their children vaccinated for the fact 260 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: that then anti vaxers will have a go at them. 261 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I would not be surprised 262 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: if Sarah Say didn't believe in vaccinations, because she was 263 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: on her story the other day and Fox had a 264 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: UTI and she was very against him getting antibiotics, which 265 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: we've seen in her YouTube channel before when she got 266 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: a staff infection. So she's always balanced Western medicine with 267 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: neutropathy as well. I'm not saying she is an anti vaxer. 268 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: But it would suit her profile that she's putting out 269 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: there at the moment. As you said, it is hard 270 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: because they do share so much of their life. But 271 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: as Sophie said, I can understand why they wouldn't share 272 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: something like that because one who wants to see a 273 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: child receiving an injection, to be honest, And also, it's 274 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: opening yourself up to this debate because there are people 275 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: who are anti vaxeres and there are people who are 276 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: pro vaccine. But I think it's a really important thing 277 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: to show vaccinations save lives. It would be really great 278 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: for someone who has a child to come out and 279 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: actually show that process because there's probably a lot of 280 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: people out there that are scared because of this propaganda 281 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: that's being pushed by the anti vaxes. One thing that 282 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: is a little bit of a clue as to where 283 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: Kurt and Sarah potentially think and their thoughts lie is 284 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: the fact that they both follow Pete Evans on. People 285 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: think that that's necessarily indicative of them being anti vaxers. 286 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: They've spoken before that they've met him, and that they 287 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: both used to follow a paleo diet. I don't think 288 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: we can jump to assumptions like that because someone's following 289 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: something and also they've never said it. Most people who 290 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: are anti vaxers are pretty loud and proud about it. Well, 291 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: I think the broader issue is the judgment of mothers 292 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: on YouTube and Instagram at the moment. Yeah, so there's 293 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: forums like tattle Life and Guru Gossiper, and there are 294 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: so many threads about different influences, and each thread has 295 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: about a thousand posts in it before it gets sort 296 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: of moved into a next conversation. And I think Sarah's 297 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: day's got about fifteen topics just on her. And the 298 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: quite interesting thing is those people in the forums, they 299 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: don't like her, but it's quite obvious that they used 300 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: to be fans of her. I saw one of the 301 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: threads the other day, and some of these users have 302 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: gone to the extent of using an outside platform to 303 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: view her videos on because they don't want her to 304 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: get the view count. That's the next level, is it? Well, 305 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: I know a lot of them are being blocked by Sarah, 306 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: and that's sort of they're probably using fake profiles. Well, 307 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: one of the threads I was having a look at 308 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: today was titled Sarah's anti vaxx pro Coffee Day Part 309 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: seven And this thread had one thousand and ninety seven 310 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: posts in it, And to be honest, the thread just 311 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: completely tore her to shreds. It kind of just looks 312 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: at everything she does under a microscope. So some of 313 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: the comments that I felt were quite disgusting and quite 314 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: mum shaming. So one of the comments was, she took 315 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: him to a baby chiropractor. What the fuck is wrong 316 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: with this girl? She's projecting a ton of issues onto 317 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: this baby for no freaking reason. It's not normal the 318 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: way she insists there's something wrong with him and he 319 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: needs a nat tropath and a cairo. But then in brackets, 320 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: but would never take him to an evil pediatrician. Maybe 321 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: she doesn't take him to a real doctor because they'd 322 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: laugh in her face and tell her that Fox is 323 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: perfectly normal. There are a whole bunch of other comments 324 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: that were literally just like saying that everything she did 325 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: was wrong. There was even one that said that they 326 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: thought Fox had autism. I mean, that's where you were 327 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: crossing the line when you're talking about children's development issues. 328 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we are seeing a small snippet of this 329 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: child's life. Yes, as you touched on they are sharing 330 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: a lot of videos, but really we see a few 331 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: minutes about Fox and the rest about Sarah and Kert. 332 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: It makes me feel a little bit uncomfortable when people 333 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: are commenting on people's children. Because it's okay to talk 334 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: about Sarah's day. She's put herself out there, and I 335 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: know Sarah is putting her child out there, but Fox 336 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: doesn't have a say in what's shown. And when you're 337 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: talking about a child's development when you've only seen a 338 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: few videos of them, I think it's just going a 339 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: bit too But it also is giving probably the parent 340 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: who might be looking at this a complex over their 341 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: child as well, and it's probably making them feel the 342 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: pressure that I've got to reach this certain standard. We 343 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: have seen it a little bit with Sky Wheatley. She 344 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: shared on her story that people wanted her to share 345 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: Forrest speaking more because they were picking up the fact, 346 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: similar to Fox, that he apparently wasn't talking enough for 347 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: what they believed he should be doing. And I feel 348 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: like it comes back to parents being incredibly competitive over 349 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: their children, and also it makes them feel better if 350 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: they're succeeding and their child is somehow more advanced than 351 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: this influencer who has everything. You have seen so many 352 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: comments that yet Fox and Forrest aren't talking properly and 353 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: they shouldn't be having dummies, And yeah, it does seem 354 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: very mum Shamy. And when I was looking into the comments, 355 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: it seemed like a lot of the people commenting were 356 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: mums that are obviously that makes them feel better that 357 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: their child might be developing at a quicker pace. I 358 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: do think it's an interesting concept to kind of discuss 359 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: the fact that this child has not chosen to be 360 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: put on this platform. And while it may seem fair 361 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: to comment on Sarah or Chloe or Sky's parenting, I 362 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: don't think it's fair to actually comment, as you said, Amy, 363 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: on the child they have not chosen to be on 364 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,239 Speaker 1: this platform. Paying Devil's advocate though, do you think that 365 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: some of the moms might be concerned about some of 366 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: the kids and that's the sort of they're trying to 367 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: voice it in a way, But how is that helping 368 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: their concern by putting on a public forum where they're 369 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: trashing her. No, it's not, but I rejudgmental. Put yourself 370 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: in a scenario, so if you were at a primary school, 371 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: if you were a mother, would you go and like 372 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: go up to the kid and say, I don't think 373 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: your kid's developing properly, or would you say it behind 374 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: her back? Or what would you do? Because I don't 375 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: think anyone really likes people commenting on their children. I 376 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: think that's a place of a professional to do. So 377 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: perhaps if the teacher was to say, hey, Fox isn't 378 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,239 Speaker 1: developing at the age he should be at, you know, 379 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: what can we do? That's very different to someone else 380 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: coming up to you and telling you your child's not 381 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: developing properly. We have touched on it a little bit 382 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: in the past, but I just think it is so 383 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: fascinating because this is the first time we're going to 384 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: see kids growing up on YouTube and growing up online. 385 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: How are they going to feel when they're, you know, 386 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: twenty years down the track when they can go on 387 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: a forum see these things about themselves. Also, it's the 388 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: first time we've had a platform where mums can compare 389 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: how they're doing in comparison to other mums, which is 390 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: pretty scary. Yeah, it's pretty creepy to think that Fox 391 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: or Forest or artists can go onto the internet in 392 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: year seven and see, you know, so many years ago 393 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,239 Speaker 1: that these women were talking about these things that were 394 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: shared of them on an Instagram story that they would 395 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: have no recollection of whatsoever. And you even think of 396 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: kids bulling other kids. I could feel like at high school, 397 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: this is something where someone would jump on and be like, hey, 398 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: look at this what everyone's saying about you? Then would 399 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: you think their parents shouldn't be sharing them then? I 400 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: mean it is a big responsibility because Sarah's day, her 401 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: whole career is based around what she shares online. And 402 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: can you imagine if she just had a blanket roll 403 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: where she didn't share anything about her kids that you 404 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: think of celebrities like Michael Jackson who had to cover 405 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: his children's faces because they were so well known. This 406 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: is obviously on a micro level, but we saw it 407 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 1: with Kim Kardashi and she didn't want North to appear 408 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: in Keeping Up with the Kardashians, and then she did 409 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: in the end. And then we've seen Courtney with her 410 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: three children that she was happy for Mason to be 411 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: born on an episode and show them pulling him out. So, 412 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: as you said, it's this new breed of kids being 413 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: shown on Instagram and YouTube, which is so unprecedented, and 414 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: it's only in twenty years time that we're really going 415 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: to know the effect on them. I think the thing 416 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: we've got to remind ourselves, and it's what we constantly 417 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: tell teenagers is Instagram and YouTube. They are merely highlights 418 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: of people's lives. It is not the truth, is not 419 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: the real story. So behind the scenes, these moms might 420 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: be spending hours teaching their kids how to talk, they 421 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: might be doing all the research and getting all the 422 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: right vaccinations done for their kids. We're just going to 423 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: remember we never know what is going on behind the scenes. 424 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: There are no rules in this house. Not like a 425 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: regular mom. I'm a cool mom, right, Regina, Let's get 426 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: into our reality wrap now, Kate, can you tell me 427 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: about the i'mus celebrity rumors? Well, there's some rumors circulating 428 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: that a few interesting people may be cast on the 429 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: Australian series, So Pete Evans, who he touched upon earlier, 430 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: maybe going into the jungle, which has pissed off a 431 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: lot of people. A lot of fans are saying they 432 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: will not watch the show if Channel ten give him 433 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: a platform to basically spin all his bullshit on will 434 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: it be a bit hypocritical for him to be on 435 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: because he's been slagging off the mainstream media for the 436 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: past few months. Well, he actually put a post on 437 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: Instagram and wrote, gotta love the lame stream media. He 438 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: then put a quote saying Network ten didn't confirm the 439 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: news to The Australian, but its sources described Evans as 440 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: a conversation starter who helped drive numbers up, and then 441 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: he wrote that show is one way to put it, 442 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: although I personally call it a huge fucking mess. All 443 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: it would achieve is even more toxic discourse on Twitter. 444 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: So it sounds like he won't be going into the jungle. Yeah, well, 445 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: I love that because he's obviously saying Channel ten have 446 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: not shut down the rumors, and he's clearly pointing out 447 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: that they're the ones who have made the rumors to 448 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: get people interested in the show. I mean, half the 449 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: time we always hear, oh, this huge person is going 450 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: to be on, I'm a celebrity, and then we turn 451 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,239 Speaker 1: it on and we don't know who anyone is. Well, 452 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: the other person that's meant to be HO is Tammy 453 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: Hembro and I would actually watch this to see Tammy 454 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: in the jungle. I think that'd be great. Yeah, there's 455 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: a few other kind of Sea grades. There's Tanya Zieta, 456 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: Ian Thorpe, George Colin Barris, and not that Abby's a 457 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: Sea grader, but Abby Chatfield, who I would also love 458 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: to see go in the jungle, and also beck Hewett woman. Yeah, 459 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: I feel like beck Hewitt and Abby Chatfield, they're both 460 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: good gets. Ten is the edit no offense to her, 461 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: but I think she's had a day. It wouldn't really 462 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: call her a celebrity. I feel when she's on par 463 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: with the type of people that would be on it though, 464 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: like the sort of person that would be on that exactly. 465 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: I mean, she is a definite who will be on there. Yeah, 466 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembroke, maybe not. Now we've got to talk about 467 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: the Bachelorette finale and the fallout that happened after it. 468 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: I feel like we've got a different take because obviously 469 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: we're from Adelaide. Pete, who everyone is slamming, he's an 470 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: Adelaide boy, and I feel a bit sorry for him. 471 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: I can understand where you're coming from. I think Pete, 472 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: we actually do know a few people that know him, 473 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: and he is a very nice guy and I feel 474 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: like he would have thought he was doing the right 475 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: thing by being honest with Becky. However, the timing is 476 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: very off. There's a lot of question marks around the fact, 477 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: like why didn't he tell her when he was at 478 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: the hometowns. Do you know what I think's unfair is 479 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: that they just put Becky out for all of those interviews, 480 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: so Pete didn't actually get to have his say about 481 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: what's happened. And as you say, we've got to remember 482 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: this is another bullshit Australian series of The Bachelorette where 483 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: no one really gets to know anyone very well. I mean, 484 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: look at Ellie and Fraser. They didn't even It was 485 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 1: like they just announced they were dating. I did not 486 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: see any love there. Or we also have to understand 487 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: that Pete got out of an eleven year relationship and 488 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: then has gone on this show. So I mean, obviously 489 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: his head is probably still all over the place. These 490 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: guys get approached to be on these shows. It doesn't 491 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: necessarily mean that he's desperate to find love. Yes, he 492 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: probably if he felt at the time that he didn't 493 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: want to be with it, he probably should have said something, 494 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: But maybe he wanted to see where it went, and 495 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,239 Speaker 1: maybe those few days that they spent together, because it's 496 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: probably the only real amount of time they spent together. 497 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: He might have been like, fuck, I'm not feeling this 498 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: at all. I can't kind of get it when he 499 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: said there wasn't a spark because watching it, there didn't 500 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: really seem to be a spark between Pete and Beckett. 501 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: It kind of seemed on paper that, yeah, Pete was 502 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: great and he kind of matched up with what Becky wanted. 503 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: But she said herself she had an amazing spark with Adrian, 504 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: who she's now talking to. So I really hope because 505 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: I did feel really sorry for her. It was really 506 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: hard listening to those interviews, and that being said, she 507 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: only had nice things to say about Pete as well. 508 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: I thought that she was really respectful in the way 509 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: that she handled it, and it really did say a 510 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: lot about her character. What do we think about the 511 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: rumors about Fraser and Ellie Because I think it's a 512 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: total showmance at the moment. I feel like producers said, look, 513 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: Becky and Pete have split up. I don't think Becky 514 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: has the media skills to pretend that they're together. So 515 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: I think Ellie, you're going to have to pretend that 516 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: you're with Fraser. And the rumors are that Fraser has 517 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: had a secret girlfriend the whole time during filming and 518 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: a little bit after, so it's all come out some 519 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: text messages between he and this girl. She's been looking 520 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: after his dog for God's sake. Yeah, to me, it 521 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: kind of it sounded like but they obviously had something 522 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: before the show, and then he's got her to look 523 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: after the dog. But it doesn't sound like they've been 524 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: dating since he's come back. I mean, it's not a 525 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: great look for him, to be honest. I'm just thrilled 526 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: that the show's over and we need to have a 527 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: bit of a break from Bachelor before we do stop 528 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: talking about the Bachelor. Did anyone see this going down 529 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: on Instagram? It's I didn't actually remember her, but Bachelor's 530 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: Nicole Wood. So she was on matt angu series and 531 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: when I had a look at her Instagram, I did 532 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: recognize her. She has come out and announced that her 533 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: baby dad has cheated on her and she is heavily pregnant, 534 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: like about to give birth, and she had a rant 535 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: on her Instagram story coolling him out, saying that well, 536 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: she said, how good's at finding out your boyfriend fucked 537 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: someone a couple of days ago when you're super pregnant 538 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: after helping him for a year trying to get him 539 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: off drugs. Love that for me. So it was like 540 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: a really toxic situation. She then did go on to 541 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: say more on her Instagram story that she probably shouldn't 542 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: have used Instagram to share this news, but she really 543 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: wanted to make others aware of this sort of red flag, 544 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: which kind of seems like, if your boyfriend's taking drugs 545 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: when you're nine months pregnant, that's not really good. But 546 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: we've all been there, haven't we when something has really 547 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: annoyed you and you just want to go on social 548 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: media and post about it. I don't feel really sorry 549 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: for her. That's awful. Well, particularly for her, she's pregnant, 550 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: her hormones would be all over the place, and I 551 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: mean someone probably just should have taken her phone away 552 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: from her, because Yeah, I feel like it's one you 553 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: regret saying. Look, it's not great that she posted it, 554 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: but I'm a bit more concerned about her feelings and 555 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: his if this is all true. Yeah, But at the 556 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: same time, this guy is still going to be in 557 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: her life for at least eighteen years you still want 558 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: things to be amicable. Yeah. Well, she did share a 559 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: post that with a picture of the sonogram of her baby, 560 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: and it said I'm so glad that at least out 561 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: of this, I have you, baby girl, just you and me. 562 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: Moving on to Marriat at First Sight and Sam Ball, 563 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: who was a villain on the show. He was the 564 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: one who hooked up with Inness after he was married 565 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: to Elizabeth. He shared a photo and he looked absolutely unrecognizable. 566 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, he shaved his head and looks like 567 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: a completely different person. This pumped up on the So 568 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: Dramatic Facebook group and I had to go and search 569 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: Instagram because I was like, surely this is not him. Yea, 570 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: because he was pretty good looking before, like he was 571 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: a total douchebag, but that he had the looks going 572 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: for him. But it seems like it's been a real 573 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: downward spiral since he's been on the show, Like he's 574 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: got a job at a bobblo. His hair was creeping 575 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: back as well a year ago. I mean, I don't 576 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: think it was evident on the show, but I went 577 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: back to have a look, so he must have shaved 578 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: it off. Which I do respect. I feel like, if 579 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: it's creeping back too much, get rid of it. It's 580 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: also because he's got rid of the beard, so he 581 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: like just a completely different person. Will post the photo 582 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: in our group and we'll see what you guys think. 583 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: That's a real moment for Elizabeth when you know that 584 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: you've won. Yeah, definitely. I got a question on Steph 585 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: bleas Yeth. Oh she didn't never hang not blame me, Amma, 586 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: than Mark. You're giddy. Now let's get into the influencer 587 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: wrapping Kate. You were absolutely frothing the podcast that Steph 588 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: Claire Smith did about her pregnancy. Well, what I love 589 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: was it was on the kickpod, which Steph and Laura 590 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: Henshaw do together, and normally there's a lot of interviews 591 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: with models and different people I'm not really interested in 592 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: listening to, but I always say, scriptore, I really just 593 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: want to hear them talk, Like I really enjoy their 594 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: content on Instagram. I do their workout program, so I 595 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: do fan girl those two girls, so I after hear 596 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: them talk absolute crap. Yeah, well this is kind of 597 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: what it was, except obviously Steph was talking about her 598 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: pregnancy and it was a really nice touch that Laura 599 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: Henshaw was interviewing her, who as I said, to her 600 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: business partner and her best friends. So I was pretty cute. 601 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: And what I really liked is she really opened up 602 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: about her issues with PCOS. She talked about getting cysts 603 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: removed from her ovaries and also talked about having abnormal 604 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 1: cells removed from her cervix. So I think that was 605 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: really great and it was kind of a positive story 606 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: to hear the fact that after going through all those 607 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: different things, that she managed to feel pregnant pretty easily. 608 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: I feel like it's really refreshing because I feel like 609 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people look in at Steph Claire Smith's 610 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: life and assume that it's perfect and that she hasn't 611 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: gone through any adversity. So it's really good that she 612 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: is sharing some of those stories that people can actually 613 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: relate to. Yeah, she was just so unfiltered. I mean 614 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: she even shared the moments that she found out she 615 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: was pregnant. Apparently she woke up and kind of felt 616 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: just a bit different, so she went to the bathroom 617 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: and did a pregnancy test, but her partner, Josh was 618 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: sleeping and apparently he suffers from insomnia, so she didn't 619 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: want to wake him up. So she's sitting in the 620 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: bathroom floor just knowing that she's pregnant, but couldn't tell 621 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,719 Speaker 1: anyone because she didn't want to wake anyone up. So 622 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: I love hearing those stories. I feel like, you know, 623 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: with celebrities, you always hear that you know this a 624 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: lister is pregnant, but you don't hear any of those personal, 625 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: like cute stories that make that person actually human. I 626 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: loved hearing her relatable pregnancy cravings as well. It's all 627 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: those old school foods you used to eat when you 628 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: got home from school, So she's been loving sugary cereals. 629 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: She's been eating cheese and bacon shapes and also white bread, 630 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: which she's been sharing a lot on her story. I've 631 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,479 Speaker 1: noticed she keeps having like cereal bowls in her story. 632 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: I love that she was just holing into the maltese 633 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: as well. I could not relate more to that. Oh, 634 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: I know. I can definitely see why this episode went 635 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: number one on the Apple Podcast charts because it just 636 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: really fulfilled everyone that's got a crush on Steph kles 637 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: Smith's dreams to hear all about this inside information about 638 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: it that's it there's a song. Oh yeah, she flips 639 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: Amy needs to start listening. I'm sorry if anyone can 640 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: hear Archie in the background. He has gotten over this 641 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: podcast recording very quickly and wants his attention from his mother. 642 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,959 Speaker 1: Why Archie's going to wait because we have to discuss 643 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: Shannie Grumman's new boyfriend. Yeah, this was really surprising. She 644 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: kind of dropped it in her recent YouTube video with 645 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: her new housemate josh So Shani was talking about how 646 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: she was suffering from some anxiety and she mentioned the 647 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: fact that she had been telling her mum about a 648 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: guy she had a crush on. So then later in 649 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: the video it came out that Shani and Joshua meant 650 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: to go to a Halloween party, so and she kind 651 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: of flaked out because she was feeling anxious, which I 652 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: felt really sorry for her. I actually felt sorry for 653 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: josh because they've gone down to buy like they waited 654 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: in this huge line to get a Halloween costume. I 655 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: think they paid about one hundred bucks each for it, 656 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: and then at the last minute Shanny pulled out. Yeah, 657 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: but if she's feeling anxious anyway, her not going to 658 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: the party actually caused a discussion between her and Joshuare. 659 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: Josh dropped that she apparently has a new boyfriend. Well, 660 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: he said, because she said she's going to make sure 661 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: that she gets on the alcohol the following week for 662 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: their housewarming party. And He's like, no, no, this is bullshit. 663 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,239 Speaker 1: You're just boring now because you're in a relationship, and 664 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: you could just tell by her face that she is 665 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: in fact in a relation. Do you know what? She 666 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: could have cut her out of the vlog. She edits 667 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: the vlogs, so she left it in. Well. The other 668 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: interesting part of the video was that she was wearing 669 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: Tommy Hill figure underpants and she says, oh, says Tommy, 670 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: better get these off. Oh yeah. But the thing is, 671 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: it's only been a couple of months since she announced 672 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: her split from Tommy, so I'm guessing this split happened 673 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: a lot earlier and it just wasn't announced. Well, she 674 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: was stuck in Melbourne in the lockdown, so she probably 675 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: wanted to get the hell out of there. Now. A 676 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: TikTok account called influencer gossip Au they were the first 677 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: people to reveal the name of Shiny Grimman's boyfriend, who 678 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: is Jacob Tompkins. We've done our stalk. What do you 679 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: guys think? Well, I had a look on Saturday night 680 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: because I have no life at his Facebook page, and 681 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: since that TikTok probably came out and more people saw it, 682 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: he's made his Facebook page private. Bit of a hot 683 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: tip there, but he still has an Instagram page where 684 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: he has two three hundred and fifty five followers. I'm 685 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: expecting that number to saw dramatic. So is it public? Yes, 686 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: it's public, and I'm assuming they're both following each are 687 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: and she has liked a number of his photos from 688 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: his page, and a little bit of a stalk on LinkedIn, 689 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: I found out that he is an event planner and 690 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: he owns a business called alaw and Friends, which it 691 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: says it's an event business. So I've had a stalk 692 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: of his Instagram and to me, he kind of looks 693 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: like a normal guy, as in all of his photos 694 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: aren't particularly posy, and there are photos of him and 695 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: his friends. But I can see him turning into an 696 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: influencer a bit like how Jonathan sour Shany's ex boyfriend 697 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: has because he does have that kind of look to him. Yeah, well, 698 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: I just hope that he appears in it vlogs. I 699 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: feel like that's what we were missing from Tommy. I 700 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: really want to see their relationship play out. Yes, selfish, Yeah, 701 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: we just want to see him in the vlogs, add 702 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: some characters, and hopefully we see Sharny happy again. But 703 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: I'm slightly disappointed because I don't want him to come 704 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: in and ruin this whole band between her and Josh, 705 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: which I think everyone is enjoying at the moment. Let's 706 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: just see how quickly she changes managers, because at the moment, 707 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: she's managed by her ex Tommy, and that was the 708 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: same when she broke up with Jonathan. While she was single, 709 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: She's still had Jonathan as her manager. This guy works 710 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: in events. Who knows he'll probably have his own influencer 711 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: management company in a couple of months time. Well, Lily 712 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: Brown has taken to Instagram to tell her three hundred 713 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: and fifty eight thousand followers that she's receiving counseling after 714 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: a friendship bust up. So she went on to urge 715 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: other people who are struggling to go to see their 716 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: GPS to seek help. Now, what did you guys think 717 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: of this one? I think it is helpful that she's 718 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: being so open about the help that she is receiving 719 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: and urging others to do the same. At the moment, 720 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: particularly as we're going through COVID, people's mental health is 721 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: so important and things like relationship breakdowns can really affect someone. 722 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting she's talking about this friendship breakdown because 723 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: there are different rumors going around there, some saying that 724 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: she's no longer friends with Michael Finch, and then there's 725 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: other rumors saying that, you know, this big bust up 726 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: has happened between Lucy and Nicky now they're from the 727 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: Wild Ones, Yeah, the Wild Ones. So it is really 728 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: interesting that she decided to make that public because it 729 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: really does add fuel to the fire, especially when she's 730 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: saying that this fire is affecting her mental health. It 731 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: is really difficult because as someone who is in the 732 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: public eye, if you are to bring up the issue, 733 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: you're just gonna She's just gonna get more messages about it. 734 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: I mean, we're speaking about it right now. 735 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 736 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: I do think it is really sad that there has 737 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: been a friendship breakdown, although we don't even know who 738 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: it is, whether it is Michael Finch or it is 739 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: Lucy and nicky whatever, whatever has happened, it's really sad. 740 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: She did point out that it was someone on social media, 741 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: so it's even weird that she felt the need to 742 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: say that because that kind of pinpoints you know that 743 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: it's one of these people that we know well. I 744 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: do think that the whole message behind it is good 745 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: that people should seek help if they are in a 746 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: situation where they feel like they need to speak to somebody. 747 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: But by referencing that it involves a friendship breakup and 748 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: referencing the fact that this person or people are on 749 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: social media, it sort of drags into a negative light. 750 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: You do also worry about those who are probably potentially 751 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: receiving flat now from Lily Brown's followers, because you know, 752 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: as we said, it is fairly obvious it's a set 753 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 1: group of people that it might be. I mean, people 754 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: are already looking at it. You know, who's following who, 755 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: who's unfollowed who. It's just this like vicious cycle. I mean, 756 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: I think that, as you said, messaging was fine. Just 757 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 1: don't say that it's someone in the public eye that 758 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: you're fighting with. Do you think it's a bit of 759 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: a power play from Lily Brown to say that it 760 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: is quite interesting that Lily Brown has rekindled her friendship 761 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,879 Speaker 1: with Shany Grimman because talking about power plays, I feel 762 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: like that's the biggest power play you can have if 763 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: you want to progress your influencer career. Well, considering Shiny 764 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: Grimman is also friends with Michael Finch, who is rumored 765 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: to be feuding with Lily Brown, it does add some 766 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: more interest to it, doesn't it. Well, I'm just going 767 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: to keep an eye on Instagram because I feel like 768 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: this is not the end of it. There's going to 769 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: be some form of retaliation, and I must say I'm 770 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: kind of looking forward to seeing what happens, because we 771 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: all love a bit of tea. Finally, Hey, can you 772 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: tell us about the update from Love Island's Molly May. Yeah. Well, sadly, 773 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 1: she has revealed that the mole that she had removed 774 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 1: has come back as a malignant melanoma, which is really 775 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: horrible news. So we discussed a couple of weeks ago 776 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: on the podcast how she was having to have a 777 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: mole removed, but was going to provide an update once 778 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 1: some test results had come back. So sadly, it's really 779 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: not good news. However, there's been a little bit of 780 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: a confusing turn. So she was told the news that 781 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: it was a malignant melanoma. However, now the doctors aren't 782 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 1: really sure, so they're sending the mole off to get 783 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: tested in the US. I feel so sorry for her 784 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: because this is right as the UK is entering their 785 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: second lockdown. I just can't imagine having this weighing on 786 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: my mind during this time where you're stuck inside all day, 787 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: you've got nothing to think about other than you know, 788 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: this awful situation that's happening. Well, I think the worst 789 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: part was she actually was gearing up to have a 790 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: second lot of surgery following the initial mole removal, and 791 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,879 Speaker 1: I think it was a day before she was set 792 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: to go into surgery you found out that, hey, this 793 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: perhaps might not be what we thought it was, so 794 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: that would be really playing on your mind. I mean, 795 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: you'd probably just want to have the surgery anyway and 796 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: make sure that everything was removed that needed to be removed. 797 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: So fingers acrossed, Molly gets some more positive news back 798 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: from the US. Well, that's all we've got time for today. 799 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: If you did enjoy this episode, we'd love if you 800 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 1: could go and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts, 801 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: and please don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, and 802 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 1: please come and join our Facebook community. 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