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Speaker 1: And joining me on the line right now is the

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Speaker 1: independent member for going a Kezia Puric.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Cazier, Hey, good morning, Katie. Good morning to

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Speaker 2: push people listening to your show.

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Speaker 1: There's plenty of people that listen out there in the

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Speaker 1: rural area. You know that you always get plenty of

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Speaker 2: Easier I do to show.

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Speaker 1: I know that, Oh, Casier, we've just finished well the

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Speaker 1: acting Police commissioners first sit down interview there following on

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Speaker 1: you know, from the fact that he'd been announced acting

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Speaker 2: I think so. Yes, I did listen to some of it,

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Speaker 2: not all of it, but and I do know Michael

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Speaker 2: Lerson not well but a moment. I've always found him

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Speaker 2: to be a very approachable person, given his high level

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Speaker 2: happy to assist, you know, even this little issues that

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Speaker 2: it mandatory that, you know, goppers have to spend twos

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Speaker 2: Like there's lots of people actually want to go and

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Speaker 2: from doing their job. You know, they just love the

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Speaker 2: because you know, you know, and I know, when you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really will.

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Speaker 2: You might also you know, well it will bring all

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Speaker 2: that back. Plus it'll just you know, bring some old

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say older, I would say experienced.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's it, experience of mature experience. But I will

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Speaker 2: be writing to him, and I will write to the

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Speaker 2: ministry well in regards to the school based constables, because I, oh, yes,

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Speaker 2: These young people in schools, you know, who are a

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Speaker 2: group pressure. You've got those school based constable figures there.

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Speaker 2: They can sound things often, they can assist them, they

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Speaker 2: can talk to them about drugs. You know, we know

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Speaker 2: it works. It definitely works. So if he's going to

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Speaker 1: Hey, I want to ask you, Kysia. We know that

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Speaker 1: I've got a couple of messages here. There's one here

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Speaker 1: from the Room for all People, and it says, Katie,

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Speaker 2: Hell no, I said that upfront in my speech. So

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Speaker 2: the Rule people listening over my dead body, and Jared

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Speaker 2: Mayley said over his dead body too. The meters on

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Speaker 2: It is a problematic issue. The government has given up

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Speaker 2: Act I supported what it basically means. I've got ten acres.

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Speaker 2: what happened is I put my application into the DCA.

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Speaker 2: What this has done is they will no longer have

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Speaker 2: then have to nominate which property will have a bore,

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Speaker 2: The new block won't have a ball. They will have

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Speaker 1: I think, So to give them a call, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: but the government seems to you know, the just views

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Speaker 2: And I tell you, o, Katie, it's worn really really

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Speaker 1: It truly is, especially when you hear them continuously using

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Speaker 2: It's really just a nonsense statement, you know, and as

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, and it's something that impacts absolutely everybody.

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Speaker 1: And that is why, you know, we really need to

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Speaker 2: should ad Katie and the what do you call it?

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Speaker 2: The bus exchanges? Like I've had a parent come to

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Speaker 2: They're not doing anything. They're just standing by because they

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Speaker 2: They're hurting impacting on their family. Absolutely, this mom will

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Speaker 2: not leave her children there. They're about ten and twelve

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Speaker 2: a people their bbouts and she will stay with them

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Speaker 2: till they hop onto that bus. And other mums and

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Speaker 2: dads are doing that.

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Speaker 1: Too, Oh one hundred percent, Kezia, I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 1: get ready to go because we're about to catch up

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Speaker 1: with the Northern Territory Police Association. But I'm very keen

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Speaker 1: just to hear from you quickly. I'm not sure whether

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Speaker 1: those schools, and a lot of students also school counsels,

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Speaker 1: and indeed teaching staff really very concerned about these changes

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Speaker 1: when it comes to school counselors and what seems as

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Speaker 1: though a real lack of school counselors. What do you

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Speaker 1: make of it all?

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Speaker 2: I don't know what this Department Education is doing, but

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Speaker 2: they've sort of held full of load of bullshit, that's

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Speaker 2: what I say. They call it carpetland where they live

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Speaker 2: in the big city, you know, in the big building

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Speaker 2: in the big city. I have struggled on behalf of

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Speaker 2: my constituency to get the two counselors into tomm in College.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't even have the one there. I listened

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Speaker 2: to the education person on your radio yesterday or the

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Speaker 2: other radio station, and she wouldn't answer your question, you know,

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Speaker 2: and it was all this fluffy Oh, we've got these units,

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Speaker 2: and we've got this, and we're doing that, we're doing this.

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Speaker 2: Just answered the question have you got I've got twenty

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Speaker 2: seven councilors and we're recruiting for another five. I was

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Speaker 2: told they were recruiting for the Second Amendment Council nearly

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Speaker 2: twelve months ago. Wow. So I don't know who came

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Speaker 2: up with this bright idea to put them all back

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Speaker 2: into corporate office and then to share them out. It

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Speaker 2: won't work nice And as taking the school based constables

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Speaker 2: out won't work hasn't worked. I put a question on

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Speaker 2: a question through to the Minister's office. How many incidents

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Speaker 2: have happened at our high schools since you took out

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Speaker 2: the school based constables because auxiliaries can't respond, they have

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Speaker 2: to go and get the police in. You know what,

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Speaker 2: the minister right back to me. Ask the questions during

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Speaker 2: estimate time, that's your time to ask the questions, and

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Speaker 2: I thought that is.

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Speaker 1: Just lazy, it's not fair, you know. Like the thing is,

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Speaker 1: there's actually people in your electorate that want to know

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Speaker 1: the answers to those questions as well, and that is

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Speaker 1: where I always think it's a bit disrespectful and disingenuous.

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Speaker 1: Then when you get responses like that, Kisie, I'm really sorry.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to wrap it up, but we will

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Speaker 1: talk to you again very soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, Thank you,