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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie into your listeners, live from Tenant Creek.

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Speaker 1: Oh good to have you on the show, live from

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Speaker 1: Tenant Leah. Firstly, though, what did you make of the

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Speaker 3: Oh Katie, It's really reached a new level of low

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Speaker 3: I really wanted to highlight, of course, the graduating squad,

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Speaker 2: How's it childish of you to put that post up?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: No, because how can we not honor and reward and

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Speaker 3: congratulate our hard working recruits who've just graduated and gotten

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Speaker 3: their badge to serve and protect. So it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Detract though, I guess so if that's the aim, you know,

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Speaker 1: post putting that post up, and I understand it, and

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Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. But putting that post up

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Speaker 1: doesn't it detract from those recruits? Well?

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Speaker 3: I think what it does is show you just how

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Speaker 3: she is about congratulating the squad. I mean how extraordinary

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Speaker 3: and she doesn't want to be part of it.

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Speaker 1: But so was it just the photo that your photographer

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Speaker 1: had taken, all the photos that everybody had taken.

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Speaker 3: Well, I only know that she barrowed up to one

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Speaker 3: of my staff and expressed to them that she didn't

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Speaker 3: this is a public celebration of people who've just spent

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Speaker 3: I wasn't not going to put a photo up of

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Speaker 1: Look, I get that, and I can understand it from

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Speaker 1: I saw the reply on your Facebook page where she'd said,

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Speaker 1: you know that she didn't consent to your photographer sort

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Speaker 1: me what it demonstrated is I thought to myself, if

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Speaker 1: you two can't sort of have a discussion about this

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Speaker 1: rather than on social media. Can we expect our leaders,

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Speaker 1: you know you and the Minister for Police to be

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Speaker 3: Well, I was very disappointed she didn't raise it with me,

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Speaker 3: but please let me clarify that my young staff member

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Speaker 3: was nowhere near the police minister. In fact, he was

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Speaker 3: from the police minister. There is no up in her

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Speaker 3: with me. But either way, to not want to appear

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Speaker 3: in a photo on Facebook for a police graduation, I

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Speaker 3: think is all new low for this government.

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Speaker 1: Well, opposition leader Leah Fanocchiaro, I know plenty of people

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Speaker 1: with well with the what somemer seeing as that second

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Speaker 1: tier of a voice here in the Northern territory, and

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Speaker 1: also about the situation involving the Chief Minister on the

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Speaker 1: West Max Monster. As always, I appreciate your time. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much for joining us this morning. From Tenant Craig.

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Speaker 3: Thank you everyone, Take care, thank you,