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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Matt Zukowski

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Speaker 1: opens up about his divorce from Tammy henbro Beck Judd

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Speaker 1: vows to share exactly what cosmetic procedures she's had done.

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Speaker 1: AFL star Bailey Smith joins Tinder and Rob Erwin's Dine

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Speaker 1: and Dash, But first, Rachel Dylan and Toby Pierce have

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Speaker 1: welcomed their first child together after a well documented IVF journey.

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Speaker 1: The fitness influencer revealed the news to her one point

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Speaker 1: nine million Instagram followers. Sharia caarausel of photos with the

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Speaker 1: caption our little love is earthside, fourth of July twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five.

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Speaker 2: This was obviously beautiful news, but all I wanted to

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Speaker 2: know was what is the baby name? Because a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks ago we discussed how Rachel accidentally slipped up

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Speaker 2: on her Instagram story and dropped the name, and at

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Speaker 2: the time she begged of follow us to keep it

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Speaker 2: a secret. And it seems like she has some very

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Speaker 2: loyal followers because I didn't see it pop up anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, It's pretty incredible it stayed a secret because normally

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Speaker 1: when an influencer makes a mistake like that, it ends

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Speaker 1: up on one of the influencer watchdog pages. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad it didn't because it is really such a special

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Speaker 1: thing to announce the name yourself. So Rachel and Toby

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Speaker 1: went with the name Easton J.

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Speaker 2: Pierce. And interestingly, Rachel's handle on Instagram and TikTok is

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Speaker 2: Rachel J. Dylan. So I'm guessing they took inspiration from

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Speaker 2: her name.

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Speaker 1: Wait, so it was the middle name just J. Just

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Speaker 1: the letter Jyeah, just the letter J.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So not Jay like Kayla at Cinas's husband, which

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Speaker 2: would have been a little bit awkward because of course,

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Speaker 2: Kayla Asinas used to be engaged to Toby Pierce. They

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Speaker 2: have a daughter together called Anna. How cute was the

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Speaker 2: video of Anna meeting her new baby brother. Oh she

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Speaker 2: is just adorable.

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Speaker 1: I think we need to throw to a grubsn ps.

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Speaker 3: This is his name. Oh my god, Oh keep you

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Speaker 3: a bit ticed. It all my life to keep you healthy.

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Speaker 3: He never get set.

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Speaker 1: I'm so cute.

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Speaker 3: Sh my god, I just feel like this is a dream.

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Speaker 4: God.

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Speaker 2: She cracks me up every time. She's in either Kayla

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Speaker 2: or Rachel or Toby's content.

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Speaker 1: I laugh so much talking about cute baby Eastern is gorgeous.

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Speaker 1: He looks exactly like Toby. Oh, he's got some strong

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Speaker 1: jeans there. Because Anna, I feel like takes after Toby

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Speaker 1: as well. I found it really interesting to see what

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Speaker 1: Rachel and Toby decided to do after the birth of Eastern,

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Speaker 1: because obviously they're very wealthy, and they look like they

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Speaker 1: were in a beautiful hospital. And Rachel didn't take long

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Speaker 1: to enjoy sushi again, so she shared a photo of

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Speaker 1: her breastfeeding in a hospital bed, looking very glamorous, eating

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Speaker 1: this beautiful plate of sushi with chopsticks. Well, sushi was

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Speaker 1: one of the number one things I wanted to eat

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Speaker 1: after giving birth, but for some reason, I just couldn't

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Speaker 2: But I'm guessing they were even quite.

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Speaker 1: A ritzy hospital that probably didn't even feel like hospital.

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Speaker 1: I keep getting fed this content of these influencers who

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Speaker 1: go into the private system. It's either Melbourne or Sydney,

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Speaker 1: and they get transferred from the private hospital to a

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Speaker 1: really fancy hotel. Have you seen those?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Anna Macavoy posted one and I was like, oh

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Speaker 2: my god, we did our postpartum early days so differently,

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Speaker 2: Like it looked incredible, but it's.

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Speaker 1: Like a BMW that comes and picks them up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a full show for service. Yeah, I mean that

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Speaker 1: what I kept telling myself is because we both went

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Speaker 1: a dime. These people probably hit up with about a

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Speaker 1: ten K bill. Okay, it may have felt good in

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Speaker 1: the time, but I'd rather put ten k towards my

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Speaker 1: baby or maybe it's going on a holiday eventually.

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Speaker 2: Definitely bye.

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Speaker 4: Now you would have heard that Tammy and I are

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Speaker 4: getting a divorce.

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Speaker 1: Matt Sakowski has opened up about his divorce from Tammy

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Speaker 1: Hembro on his podcast Where's Your.

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Speaker 2: Head at Now.

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Speaker 1: There was a bit of confusion Kate because the episode

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Speaker 2: A host beside myself because I went to listen to

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Speaker 2: this at eight o'clock. The episode was called We're back

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Speaker 2: with some Updates dot dot dot. I was like, oh

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Speaker 2: and I kept refreshing my feed. I'm like, hang on,

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Speaker 2: he said, it was about two hours ago, but all

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Speaker 2: about pregnancy. I was like what.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that just made me think, oh my god, what

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Speaker 1: has he said in this episode?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 2: I was like, it's been pulled down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have lawyers become involved, Like has he dropped

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Speaker 1: some really juicy details?

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Speaker 2: I was so confused because Anna and Matt had posted

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Speaker 2: their Instagram page and it turns out other people were

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Speaker 2: having the same issue that I was, and there were

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Speaker 2: a lot of comments on their instagram saying like why

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Speaker 2: can't we listen? And no one was responding, which I

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Speaker 2: thought was a little bit weird. Now, the episode was

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Speaker 2: back up on Thursday, and Matt shared a link to

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Speaker 2: it on his Instagram account and wrote, I had an

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Speaker 2: anxiety attack about posting this episode. The last few weeks

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Speaker 2: have been very hard for me mentally. Hopefully I will

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Speaker 2: be in a place one day where I can talk

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Speaker 2: about my experience further, but right now I am focusing healing,

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Speaker 2: finding myself and my confidence. Again. Thank you again for

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Speaker 2: all your kind messages.

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Speaker 1: The more I hear from Matt, the more I feel

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Speaker 1: sorry for everybody involved in this, because you sometimes forget

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Speaker 1: there are real people behind this. Yeah, And I suppose

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Speaker 1: that's because Tammy came out with her statement first, and

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Speaker 1: she was crying and seemed really upset, so you immediately think, oh, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Matt's done something wrong. But when you hear his side

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Speaker 1: of things, you're like, okay, well, there's obviously two sides

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Speaker 1: to the story. And it seems like Matt may have

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Speaker 1: co host Anna McAvoy, And when I was reflecting on

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Speaker 1: because he's going to be able to speak from this

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Speaker 1: experience and I suppose relate to other people. I wonder

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Speaker 1: how many people actually listen to the whole podcast. Like

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Speaker 1: It's just like, yeah, it might stop.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 2: As for the Matt statement, let's take a listen to

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Speaker 2: some of what he said.

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Speaker 4: By now you would have heard that Tammy and I

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Speaker 4: me to say this and to speak about it. I'm

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Speaker 4: absolutely shattered to announce it, to be honest, but at

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Speaker 4: the end of the day, we weren't right for each other,

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Speaker 4: and in this relationship, I've learnt a lot about myself.

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Speaker 4: I've learned a lot about what I need in a

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Speaker 4: But that's not me. It's not the right way to

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Speaker 4: go about this. This is literally real life, like this

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, Tammy is a mother

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Speaker 4: and that's just not something I want to do. This

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Speaker 1: When I heard that, I thought, it's going to be

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Speaker 4: understanding of everything. And look, it's heartbreaking. I think it

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Speaker 4: comes and goes in waves. It's really strange time in

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Speaker 6: I feel Do you feel like you guys made the

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Speaker 6: right decision?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you guys wouldn't have got married if

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Speaker 6: you didn't think it was going to be forever, so exactly. Well,

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Speaker 6: thank you for sharing. We all really appreciate it. I

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Speaker 6: know that it's not something that you fully want to

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Speaker 2: Listen to me. Sisters, please, yes, listen to them now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why it makes me think more and

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Speaker 1: I just found the whole thing so intriguing because it's

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Speaker 1: in Yeah, because normally you think, if you've just gone

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Speaker 2: She's like doing I mean, I love it. It's so entertaining.

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Speaker 1: She's just doing all of these things that her followers

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Speaker 2: you want.

441
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Speaker 1: I just want to know what does Amy and Emily

442
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Speaker 1: think of Reese.

443
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they can let us know what they if

444
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,120
Speaker 2: they ship this requtionship to. I mean, Emily was one

445
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 2: filming the prank video, so they must be on okay terms.

446
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 2: In terms of how Tammy's feeling, she has been posting

447
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 2: more content on TikTok where she just talks to the camera,

448
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 2: and she said previous she was trying to be too

449
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 2: much of a cool girl and not talk to the camera.

450
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 2: But she's like, who am I kidding? This is me.

451
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,679
Speaker 2: I just want to talk to the camera. And I

452
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 2: do think it is a part of this deliberate strategy

453
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Speaker 2: that you mentioned amy to stay relatable and popular during

454
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 2: the breakup. And in terms of how she's feeling, she

455
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 2: said that she's been experiencing waves of sadness and feeling overwhelmed,

456
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 2: but feels a lot lighter overall. Tammy also spoke about

457
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 2: how a brand had sent her an anxiety ring and

458
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,719
Speaker 2: opened up about a time that she had a panic attack.

459
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 2: This is what she said, But I actually don't.

460
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Speaker 5: I feel like I haven't been really anxious anymore. Like

461
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 5: it got really bad a while ago, to a point

462
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Speaker 5: where if I, like, say, I went to the gym,

463
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 5: I like the public gym with people around, I literally

464
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 5: would like run to my car and start like I

465
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 5: went to Colls once and I ran to my car

466
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Speaker 5: because someone said hi to me, and then I ran

467
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Speaker 5: to my crent started hyperventilating. But I'm not I'm fine. Now,

468
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 5: so feel free to stay hi to me, you see me.

469
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 5: I love when people say out at me. It wasn't

470
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 5: the fact, oh I can't do this.

471
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Speaker 2: It wasn't the.

472
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Speaker 5: Fact that someone like said hi to me. Like I

473
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 5: get that all the time, but I feel like, for

474
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Speaker 5: like a week them my nervous system was just fried

475
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 5: and everything was making me really like I was at

476
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Speaker 5: the point where I was literally like crying every single

477
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Speaker 5: day and I just felt like I couldn't function properly.

478
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Speaker 2: But do I feel a lot better?

479
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 5: Yeah.

480
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Speaker 2: I think it's really good that both Tammy and Matt

481
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 2: have been really open with their followers about their mental health.

482
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: I do have to end, though, on some shade that

483
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: Tammy threw at Matt this week, and it wouldn't be

484
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: a new week without Tammy throwing a little bit more

485
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Speaker 2: shade at Matt. So Tammy shared a video to her

486
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Speaker 2: TikTok on the Staremaster with the caption A step for

487
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 2: every time I should have listened to my sisters, and

488
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 2: underneath the video she wrote gonna be here all day.

489
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 2: I have to add the song that played in the

490
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: background of the video was Taylor Swift's most iconic breakup song,

491
00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 2: all too well. Tammy's sister Emily commented underneath the video

492
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 2: laugh out loud seriously, though with a smashing head emoji.

493
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Speaker 9: So nuds, what has been your most vanish moment of

494
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 9: all time?

495
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: Bech Chard has declared twenty twenty five is the year

496
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 1: women stop gaslighting each other and honest about the cosmetic

497
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: work they've had done. In an interview with Stellar magazine,

498
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: the forty two year old vowed to share exactly what

499
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: she's had done on her new podcast, aptly titled vein

500
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: Ish Now Kay. It's clear people wanted to know, because

501
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: twenty four hours after launching, Beck's podcast hit number one

502
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: on the Apple Podcast charts.

503
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: I mean I know. I tuned in with baited breath,

504
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: waiting for Beck to list all the cosmetic procedures that

505
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 2: she's had done, and I was left a little disappointed

506
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 2: because she ended up only detailing her morning routine. This

507
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: is what she said, This is just me today.

508
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 9: I've got fake tan on, I've got those false the

509
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 9: stick on underlash lashes on. I've got hair extensions sewed in.

510
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 9: I used a prescription lash serum. I wanted to make

511
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 9: my eyelashes grow better. Accidentally stuck it in my eye,

512
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 9: and then I got pink o. I've got a fresh

513
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 9: set of shall like gel nails. I had in fizzline trays.

514
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 9: I took them out and I replaced with a fifteen

515
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 9: minute teeth whitening session. I did infrared sauna this morning.

516
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: I'm drinking my.

517
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Speaker 9: Age Mate anti aging supplement. After I had a breakfast

518
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 9: with super food porridge with my glutamine and collagen supplement smoothie.

519
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 9: I plucked out every single visible gray.

520
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 2: Hair that I could find.

521
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 9: I use my prescription retino. I used my hyaluronic HB five.

522
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 9: I use my vitamin C serum. I stuck my silicon

523
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 9: nipple pads on. I overdrew my lips, I contoured my face.

524
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 9: I pulled my hair back in a really tight pony

525
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 9: to give myself a non surgical brow.

526
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Speaker 2: If I waltz on into this studio, you did all

527
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 2: that before seven thirty this morning.

528
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: I was exhausted listening to all of that.

529
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: It made me reflect on my morning routine and how

530
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 2: different it was. I literally slapped makeup on while my

531
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: son's asleep. You know, have five minutes.

532
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Speaker 1: To do Infec's got four kids as well, so I'm

533
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: like fire. You must be so I organized. It made

534
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: me think, shit, should I actually be doing more in

535
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: the morning to myself.

536
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 2: She has to be presentable. I do think Beck will

537
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: go into more detail about the cosmetic work that she's

538
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 2: had done in another episode. Well, I'm hoping, because I

539
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 2: really am interested to hear what work she's had done.

540
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: She has touched upon though, the fact that she gets injectable.

541
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: So during her interview on Stella's podcast, she spoke about

542
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: how seven years ago she was being followed by paparazzi

543
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 2: on the way to an appointment to get her filler,

544
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: and she ended up having to drive home because she

545
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: didn't want to be photographed there. Yeah, well, I can

546
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: understand that because ten years ago people didn't talk about

547
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: I can understand that because ten years ago people just

548
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: didn't talk about cosmetic procedures the way they do now, Like,

549
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: people are a lot more open and honest about what

550
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: they've had done. But previously it was kind of seen

551
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: as almost I'm not embarrassing, but people would shame other

552
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: women for doing things. Well, I think women still get shamed.

553
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: I mean, God, the Daily Mail somehow is in my

554
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 2: algorithm on my Facebook, and you see a headline. There

555
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: was one about Shane Warne's daughter on holiday wearing a bikini.

556
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: It was a paparazzi photo and it was like, oh,

557
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: she flaunts her body in a bikini. And then there

558
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: were eight hundred comments from these boomer men being absolutely

559
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 2: disgusting towards her and un women as well, shaming kind

560
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: of like this poor girl, she looks beautiful, She's gone

561
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: a holiday, The paparazzi have taken a photo of her,

562
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: and Daily Mail are trying to use as a click

563
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: bait for everyone to shame her about why she does

564
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 2: just help me flaunting herself going to the pool.

565
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Speaker 1: She's not to know that the paparazzi are using long

566
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: lenses and taking photos of her.

567
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, she had a bikini top on with a white overshirt. Anyway,

568
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: we digress, But in terms of Vanish, I found it

569
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: fascinating to be a fly on the wall to the

570
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: conversations that Beck and her co host Jess Roberts were having.

571
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 2: They are a similar age to us, so we're in

572
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: the same age bracket. But I have never had these

573
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: types of conversations with women my own age, and I

574
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: don't know if it's a wealth gap or potentially because

575
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 2: these women are in the public eye and their looks

576
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: are always being scrutiny.

577
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Speaker 1: So you're not going Salmon's sperm injectibles, You're not discussing

578
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:08,239
Speaker 1: that with no no supposing that I'm actually not, but

579
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure that there are women our age

580
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: who aren't rich and famous that are also getting a

581
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: lot of cosmic procedures done, but been involved in conversations

582
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: with friends talking about the pressure to get injectibles or

583
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: to try out lip filler and all of that kind

584
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: of thing. So while they might not be getting all

585
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: of the expensive procedures that these women are, I think

586
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: it's definitely something that women our age are talking about

587
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: and they're feeling the pressure.

588
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: Oh, I've definitely been involved in conversations about the pressure,

589
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: but it's just not something that people in our circle

590
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: go out and do, or maybe they just don't speak

591
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: about it. The way back and Jess were, I suppose

592
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: what really stood out to me was the fact that

593
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: they have the money to be able to go and

594
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: afford to do all of these different things. But in

595
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: saying that, I suppose this podcast is a vehicle for

596
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 2: them to go and get some of these procedures for

597
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 2: free and post about it.

598
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: You've got to remember they are in the public eye,

599
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: so there would be a lot of extra pressure on

600
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Speaker 1: them to look good, especially beck Jad. Every year she

601
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: rocks up to the Brown Though, and everybody analyzes what

602
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: she's wearing, what she looks like. I actually thought the

603
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: podcast was quite refreshing, especially the interview with Nadia Bartel,

604
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: which we will go into in a minute, because they

605
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: didn't just say, oh, you know, you've got to get

606
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: a nose job and you've got to do this and

607
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: that with injectables. They're actually talking about ways that they

608
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: make their hair look nicer, and they spoke about having

609
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: hair extensions and they're huge routines to get their hair

610
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: looking like that.

611
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 2: And it made me feel.

612
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: Better because I thought, well, Okay, that's why their hair

613
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: does look so good. It's not just that they're it's

614
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: not just that they've been blessed with this beautiful hair. Yeah,

615
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: I was surprised to hear that Nadia and beck both

616
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: have like extensions sown in, and it makes sense because

617
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: they've got such beautiful hair. But also the fact that

618
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: Nadia was saying that she didn't think she had beautiful hair,

619
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Speaker 1: Like you always just assume that these people think really

620
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: highly of themselves because they are so beautiful, but you

621
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: can kind of tell that they actually do have a

622
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: lot of insecurities. And you know, the podcast is labeled

623
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 1: vein ish. Often when people are labeled vain, they're not

624
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: actually vain, they're actually quite insecure.

625
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true. And while I did enjoy the podcast,

626
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: there was a part of me though that felt a

627
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: little bit sad, because getting older really is a privilege,

628
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: and I just think it's sad that society's got to

629
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: a point where we feel we have to erase any

630
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: sign of aging. And I'm not saying that this is

631
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: Beck Judd's fault for putting this podcast out, because obviously

632
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: there are these impossible beauty standards that we all have

633
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: to adhere to as women, but it just seems like

634
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: it's getting even more unrealistic. And it made me think, like,

635
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: is aging going to be a sign of class? Yeah?

636
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: A rich people always going to look eternally youthful and

637
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: poor people always going to look old. I mean, we've

638
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: seen recently with Chris Jenner's face. Everyone's been saying that

639
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: it's this wizardry and she looks like Kim Kadashian. But

640
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: let's be honest, that's a fuck ton of mind. I mean,

641
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: where it's like, you're not ugly, you're just poor.

642
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 8: Yeah.

643
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: Well, I mean eventually that's what it's going to be like.

644
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean one hundred percent, I know exactly what

645
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: you're saying, and I agree it is sad because I

646
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: think that women should be able to age gracefully. But

647
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: I also feel like we as women have so much

648
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: pressure in the workplace on social media to look a

649
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: certain way, And sometimes I think that if you can

650
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: take on some of these beauty regimes, like, for example,

651
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: if you're able to find out a few tips on

652
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: how to make your hair feel nice and it makes

653
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: you feel confident, you're going to feel better in yourself.

654
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Speaker 2: So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just look at the podcasts like this as a

656
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Speaker 1: bit of fun. I don't necessarily think that they're pushing

657
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Speaker 1: some evil narrative.

658
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I wonder if promoting these types of conversations

659
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: are going to have a negative impact, because we're essentially

660
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: highlighting what these women are doing and making it feel

661
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: like it's the norm and that you should be doing

662
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: it too. Yeah, understand that's my consent.

663
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Speaker 1: And then but it's a double edged sword because you

664
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Speaker 1: could also say that it's good that they're having these

665
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: open conversations about what they've done, because then people realize, oh,

666
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: actually it's not nice. Ye, it's not natural, like they've

667
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 1: paid to have that knows.

668
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a tricky one, now, I know. I

669
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: said I felt like the first episode was a little

670
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: bit of a letdown because Beck didn't fully open up

671
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: about her procedures, and I wasn't actually super interested in

672
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: hearing the ins and out about the salmon sperm because

673
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: I think Kard actually spoke about it recently. Did seem

674
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: a little bit old. But I did really enjoy episode

675
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: two because, as you mentioned, Amy, Nadia Bartell was interviewed,

676
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: and she's friends with Beck and also Beck's co host

677
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: Jess Robbers, and they've been friends for over ten years,

678
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: so it really felt like you were eavesdropping on this

679
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: private conversation between friendance.

680
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: I realized when listening to this that I have never

681
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: really heard Beck, Judd, and Nadia Bartell speak that much.

682
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: You see them all the time on social media, but

683
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: this was the first time I actually got a gauge

684
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: of what their personalities actually like, and fuck, I think

685
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: Beck Judd's a legend. I also really liked Nadia Bartell.

686
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Nadia Bartell kind of gave off the impression

687
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: that she was quite woo woo, which I did enjoy.

688
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: But with Beck Judd, I thought, I don't know, I

689
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: could imagine hanging out with Beck Judd and her being

690
00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: a lot of fun.

691
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said she that Beck seemed like a lad

692
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: and I couldn't think of the female term, but yeah,

693
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: she just seemed like a kind of a lot of

694
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: hand but not like yeah. But see, I have been

695
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: following Nadia a Battel on TikTok for quite a while now,

696
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: so I have heard her speak a lot, and I

697
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 2: really am a big fan. I'm obsessed with hair at

698
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: the moment because I bought a pair of Henny jeans

699
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: and now I feel like I need to buy every

700
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: single thing from the Henny store. Definitely jumped on that bandwagon.

701
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: I just can't afford it all.

702
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: When she started That's hair, I was like writing down

703
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: a list on my phone. Okay, that oil oil, Okay,

704
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: that's how she does it. Okay, maybe I need to

705
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: get some hair extensions.

706
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: Or I said to Rees when I was on a walk,

707
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: I was like, I was contemplating getting bloody. So in

708
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: hair extensions as well. But I'm someone where I would

709
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: find that so overstimulating I'd probably rip them out, Like

710
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: I just at the end of the night. I usually

711
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: were active where all day and I have to go

712
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: change into my trackies because even that's too uncomfortable for me.

713
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: Like I am someone that needs to be super comfortable

714
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: with me.

715
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: Flashback, So the Dallas Cowboys, the second series, you know

716
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: when they were doing the makeovers and Dale and I

717
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: were watching it and they're like sewing hair into women's

718
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: heads and this is the reality. This is why these

719
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: women have the most amazing hair.

720
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: It's not real. Yeah, it's a wig. Yeah. Well, as

721
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: you touched on earlier, Amy, it wasn't just Nadia saying,

722
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: oh I get this and that done. She did talk

723
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: about her morning routine and the wellness practices that she does,

724
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: but she did get more into the nitty gritty when

725
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: she was asked what the most vanish thing she had

726
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: ever done was. This is what she said, a.

727
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 9: Most Vanish moment, I've had quite a few quiet we've

728
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 9: all done.

729
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: We've all had it.

730
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 6: I think probably it would have to be getting my nose.

731
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: Doneh and a nose job, you know it's done.

732
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, leaving and having pap photos come out everywhere so

733
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 5: everyone knew at the hospital.

734
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: That was fun. Now I must have missed this, but

735
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty, Nadia was papped fresh from her

736
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: hospital state with a bandage over her nose. She did

737
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: have a mind because it was twenty twenty and it

738
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: was COVID times, and I'm thinking she obviously planned it

739
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: in the height of COVID so she could try and

740
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: conceal the fact that she'd had it done. But unfortunately

741
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 2: the bandage just popped above the mask.

742
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: Well that's actually really clever if she planned it out

743
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: that way. On the podcast, she was saying that she

744
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: has no idea how that even got out to the paparazzi,

745
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: like she was even questioning was it one of the

746
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: nurses that.

747
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 2: Tipped them off?

748
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 7: Mm?

749
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was interesting to hear her finally

750
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: talk about it because obviously we missed it, but a

751
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: lot of people would have seen those photos are known

752
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: that she had got a nose job, and she said

753
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: that her nose was something that has always made her

754
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: feel a bit self conscious growing up, and she said

755
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: she never wanted to wear her hair up because she

756
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: felt like it drew focus to her nose. But she said,

757
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: looking back now, she questioned whether she would do it,

758
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: because she said, it's something that you think is a

759
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: really big issue at the time, but it's all in

760
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: your head.

761
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: Well, I never even realized that she had a notes job,

762
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: so obviously for an outsider like me looking in, I

763
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: didn't think that she had a problem with her nose.

764
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: It's fun of these things that you just pick apart

765
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: about yourself.

766
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously being in the public eye for nearly

767
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 2: twenty years now like Nadia has because she started dating

768
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: Jimmy Bartel when she was twenty one, and a couple

769
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: of months ago, when all that horrible conversation about Chloe

770
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: Pink's wedding photos was happening, Nadia came out and spoke

771
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: about how disgusting the trolling was that she received when

772
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 2: she started dating Jimmy, and she said, back then she

773
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: wasn't in the industry. She was working a nine to

774
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: five job, and she was twenty one years old, and

775
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: she was having people comment about her facial features and

776
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 2: say that she looked like a man. So obviously those

777
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: comments have really hurt her and potentially could be the

778
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: reason why she did go get this nose job done. Yeah, well,

779
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: we spoke about it briefly on our subs episode. I

780
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 2: have seen so many girlfriends and wives of AFL players

781
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: popping up on TikTok and all the comments are like

782
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: a year or four and I thought players only dated tens.

783
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: Is absolutely disgusting. Yeah, well, unfortunately for these women, that

784
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 2: is where these hyper masculine men who love the footy

785
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: meet across with influences, and it's often the wives and

786
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: girlfriends of the players who then get abused by these

787
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: men who normally wouldn't be viewing their content and they

788
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: think that they have the right to talk about their appearance,

789
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: which is disgusting.

790
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: And then we wonder why these women are queuing up

791
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: to have all of these medical procedures done because people

792
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: are vile.

793
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then these men jump in the comments on

794
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: the Daily Mail when they're reporting on it. Oh, you're

795
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: a narcosystem. You're so vain, it's like.

796
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: Insecure because of the way that you've spoken to them

797
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: for years.

798
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 7: So I have a funny story.

799
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: Robert Irwin has inadvertently put a Cough's Harbor restaurant on

800
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: the map after accidentally skipping out on the bill.

801
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: Okay, this is my favorite story of the week. So

802
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: Rob was road tripping around the East Coast of Australia

803
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: when he stopped at a restaurant to grab a takeaway salad,

804
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: and whilst he was in there, he was absolutely mobbed

805
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: by fans wanting photos, and in chaos of it all,

806
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: he forgot to pay for his salad. Now, Rob took

807
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: to TikTok to explain his error. Let's have a listened

808
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: to what he said.

809
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 7: The next morning, I wake up and realize I never

810
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 7: paid for my salad. I just did the old din

811
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 7: and dash, and I didn't even realize I'd done it.

812
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 7: I felt terrible.

813
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: So Rob had already left Coff's Harbor, so he immediately

814
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: rang the restaurant to see if he could transfer the money.

815
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: The owners told him not to worry and off handedly said,

816
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: just leave us a good review.

817
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: Well, he certainly has delivered on his promise because he

818
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: skipped the Google review route and instead took to TikTok.

819
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 2: Here's what he said.

820
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 7: There are eight million of you guys on here, so

821
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 7: you know what to do. I have tagged them go

822
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 7: and support the Jetty Pavilion in Coffs Harbor, a fantastic

823
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 7: local business, great team, great food, amazing atmosphere. That's my review.

824
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 7: They are the absolute best.

825
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: And vowed to return to the Jetti Pavilion to pay

826
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: for his salad.

827
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 7: Today is not the day I start my life of crime.

828
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 7: As much as the tabloids would love that, it's not happening.

829
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: So not only was Rob a man of his word

830
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: and returned to the restaurant, he also had a sit

831
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: down lunch with the owners and paid forward two hundred

832
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: dollars worth of salad for others to eat.

833
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 2: Could he get any nicer? He's such a legend. His

834
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: dad would be so proud of him.

835
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: And it's crazy the power of Rob Irwin. Because his

836
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: TikTok resulted in this restaurant gaining over eleven thousand extra

837
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: Instagram followers. They also got four thousand new followers on

838
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: TikTok and they reported a fifty percent rise in business

839
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: since the post went live. They also said they had

840
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: one point five million hits on their website.

841
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: God so skipping out on the bill for a twenty

842
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: dollars salad. They really made up for it, didn't Yeah,

843
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: and this.

844
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: Story has been everywhere, so the Today Show did something

845
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: about it. Seven News ended up doing a story. So

846
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: what's quite funny is seven News obviously wrung the restaurant

847
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: and said, how can we come down and do something?

848
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 1: And this was the day that Rob decided to return

849
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: to pay for his salad, So they must have been

850
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: absolutely licking their lips at the fact that they.

851
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: Could then get Rob on camera.

852
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: But a lot of this media attention has made people

853
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: really cynical, and everyone's saying, oh, is this just.

854
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: A big publicity stunt? Come on, I mean it's not

855
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: like it's not like Robert Erwin's got shares in this restaurant.

856
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: I think it is just a very lucky opportunity for

857
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: the restaurant. Yeah.

858
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: So one cynic on TikTok accused Rob and the restaurant

859
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: of a setup. So they said, surely this was a

860
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: marketing ploy. Now the restaurant responded saying, oh, absolutely, it

861
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: was all part of our master plan Step one orchestrate chaos,

862
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: step two, collect free publicity, step three, take over the world.

863
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: And yes, the Earth is flat, the dinosaurs had feathers,

864
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: and Elvis is living in Byron with Bigfoot. Another person

865
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: said cameras had to be there, to which the restaurant responded, yeah,

866
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: what a chance. We told him we had seven News

867
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: coming as a heads up, and he went along with it,

868
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: no fuss.

869
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, somehow, don't think Robert Erwin would be racing down

870
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: there if he knew the new station was there.

871
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: Also, to get somebody like Robert Erwin to be involved

872
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: in this kind of promotion would cost a huge amount

873
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: of money. I'd estimate around one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

874
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: Restaurant is not paying somebody like Rob Erwin to do that.

875
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Speaker 2: No, definitely not. I mean all I can think about, though,

876
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Speaker 2: is what salad did Robert eat? Was a really nice one.

877
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it looked amazing. They put a photo of it up.

878
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: It's called the harvest bowl, so it's very healthy. I mean,

879
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: obviously he's got that body to maintain that was in

880
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: the box commercial. So his salad had turmeric, cauliflower, quinwa, avocado,

881
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Speaker 1: pickled veg, cherry tomatoes, sweet potatoes, tahini sauce, and alfalfa

882
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: sprouts and there are calls for this salad to be

883
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Speaker 1: named after Rob. Someone suggested it should be called the

884
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Speaker 1: Din and Dash Salads.

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Speaker 2: I read that the restaurant are actually considering naming it

886
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: after Rob Erwin, which would make a lot of sense

887
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: because if they're getting all of this extra business, everyone

888
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: wants to know which salad he got.

889
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: They were also talking about making a Rob Ierwin cocktail,

891
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: which was going to involve like a little crocodile and some.

892
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Speaker 2: Green jelly and all. I've got a name for it,

893
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 2: the croptail. Oh that's good. Actually a right, guys, I've

894
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: done it.

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Speaker 4: I've joined Tinder.

896
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Speaker 2: Breaking news for gen Zetters. Bailey Smith is on dating

897
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Speaker 2: app Tinder. The Geelong staff fronted the campaign for the

898
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: app's new double date feature and a big move to

899
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Speaker 2: bring gen Zetters back to the app.

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Speaker 1: Anyone who's got TikTok would have seen this ad popping

901
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: up every time I logged into it. I saw Bailey

902
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: Smith's face telling me how he's joined Tinder. They must

903
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: have put so much money behind this campaign.

904
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking he must have been paid a

905
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: pretty penny for this ad, because he would be absolutely

906
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: copying it in the change rooms. At Geelong.

907
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 5: Yeah.

908
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: Well I had a look on his Instagram account and

909
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: runner ned Brockman sarcastically wrote under his announcement post, hey mate,

910
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: thought you'd be struggling to get dates. Good to see

911
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: you trying Tinder out, and his comment received three point

912
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: seven thousand likes.

913
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Speaker 2: That's absolutely a classic. I mean that's what everyone is thinking.

914
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: There is no way that Bailey Smith is using Tinder

915
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 2: to get dates. But yeah, he's a great get because

916
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: it's putting hope out there that maybe hot guys will

917
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: be on Tinder again. Well, there have been other people

918
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 2: popping up on TikTok questioning the legitimacy of as you said,

919
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: whether he is actually on Tinder, and I had a

920
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 2: laugh at this video.

921
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Speaker 10: I need to be financially compensated for having to open

922
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 10: up TikTok every single time. Barely Smith advertising Tinder. Firstly,

923
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Speaker 10: he's not on Tinder. He's on fucking Riya because he's

924
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 10: one of those people with those connections.

925
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: I mean, she's got a point. If he's on a

926
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: dating app, he'd be on Riya. I was pretty shocked

927
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: because I know that some of these dating apps have

928
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 2: introduced new features like super likes that you have to

929
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: pay for. But I didn't realize how expensive it was

930
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 2: now to be on dating apps. It sounds like it

931
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: costs you an arm and a leg, and they actually

932
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: now have an algorithm which stops you from matching with

933
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Speaker 2: anyone decent if you don't pay.

934
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think it's on Tinder, you only get

935
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: one hundred swipes every twelve hours, so that's really yeah,

936
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Speaker 1: but like think how many Like sometimes I've been on

937
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: Tinder obviously before I was married, and you would go

938
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Speaker 1: through a hundred people easily and not see anybody that

939
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: you liked.

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00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: True.

941
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Speaker 1: What's funny is I remember what like ten years ago,

942
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Speaker 1: if you're on Tinder and you were paying for it,

943
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: you're a bit of a loser. Yeah, well sorry, you

944
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: weren't a loser, but I think there was that stigma that, oh,

945
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: why would you pay to go on Tinder? But now

946
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: that is like Tinder is making billions of dollars each

947
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: year from people signing up to the.

948
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Speaker 2: Way you say that, But a lot of the dating

949
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 2: apps have actually been having to lay off a lot

950
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: of staff. Like recently Bumble spoke about how they've lost

951
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: so much money because people are just not using the

952
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: apps anymore, and do you know why that is.

953
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: There's been a study and apparently gen zetters and millennials

954
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: don't want to meet people online. They actually want to

955
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,959
Speaker 1: meet people in real life. And a lot of people

956
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: are saying that running clubs have destroyed online dating apps

957
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: because people are choosing to go there to meet their

958
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: partners instead.

959
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 2: I think it's also a case of people's parents being

960
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: on the apps and being seen as this sort of

961
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 2: millennial thing.

962
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Speaker 4: Now.

963
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: A lot of elder millennials probably have teenage kids now,

964
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Speaker 2: and you don't want to be on the apps. Like

965
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: I know, you can pick the age group, but you

966
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 2: don't really want to be on the same apps as

967
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: your parents. I think that the app market is now

968
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Speaker 2: perfect for forty year old's probably got divorced looking for

969
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: someone something serious. And also I think with young people

970
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: it just became like a booty call place.

971
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tinder was seen very much as a hookup app,

972
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: and when you look at the stats, it reveals that

973
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Speaker 1: three quarters of Tinder users are actually men. So you

974
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: can see why they are rolling out this campaign with

975
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Speaker 1: Bailey Smith. I mean, it's clearly aimed at getting gen

976
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Speaker 1: Z women back onto the app.

977
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard these apps are completely flooded by men.

978
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: So men in particular have to spend a lot of

979
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: money in order to actually get served up women who

980
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: are on the app that they want to date. And

981
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: there are so many men who actually just don't get

982
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 2: any matches because there's just such a big pool of them.

983
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I think this campaign's so clever, because

984
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: obviously getting the word out to females that Tinder is

985
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: the place to be if people like Bailey Smith are

986
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: apparently on there. I mean, the campaign videos that TikTok

987
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: have done have gone off. Bailey also featured on the

988
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: We Mean Well podcast, which is hosted by Jack and Lou.

989
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: They also had Georgia Productions, which is a big gen

990
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: Z TikToker. So Tinder have clearly done their research and

991
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: thought who are the influences that are speaking to gen

992
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: Z's And if you think about it, how many young

993
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: girls would be signing up to the subscription so they

994
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: could actually swipe right on Bailey Smith.

995
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's a part of his contract that

996
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: he actually has to go on a Tinder double date.

997
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: Well, he was interviewed on The Today Show and he

998
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: admitted that he hasn't actually been on any dates yet,

999
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: but he said that his mate Angus, who he signed

1000
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: up with, has been swiping a lot on people, and

1001
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: he said that he actually is a bit annoyed because

1002
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: he thinks that angers should gain his permission on who

1003
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: he can actually agree to go on these days with.

1004
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: Obviously doesn't agree.

1005
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't agree with the women that swipe. Wouldn't

1006
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: you be devastated, You like telling all your friends, oh

1007
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: my god, like Bailey Smith has agreed to go on

1008
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: this date with me and then he's like shitcanning it

1009
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: on the Today Show.

1010
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably not really good for Tinder either, to

1011
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 2: be like all the quality is it's not that great.

1012
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: Well, it was quite funny because in all of the

1013
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: interviews you could tell that he was begrudgingly talking about

1014
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, Tinder has launched this feature where you

1015
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: get He was very scripted, but still I.

1016
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: Think it's been a massive win for Tinder. Well that's

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Speaker 2: where we're going to leave things today. If you do

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