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Speaker 1: This is jem nation with I have a three million

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Speaker 1: people in Australia are living with anxiety and depression and

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Speaker 1: a lot of that is in relation to lockdown. In reality,

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Speaker 1: the pandemic has created another terrifying pandemic in regard to

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Speaker 1: people's mental health. What's interesting is people are trying to

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Speaker 1: overcome it in a variety of different ways. And there's

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Speaker 1: a new television starting tonight, a television series hosted by

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Speaker 1: Natalie Basinthwaite. Course Space twenty two is designed to challenge

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Speaker 1: people's perspective about art therapy and highlight its value in

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Speaker 1: improving mental well being.

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Speaker 2: Nat Hello, Hello, Natalie, Hello, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations. Firstly, in Jagged Little Pill, you were so good

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Speaker 3: in that. I love that child.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. It's a beast, isn't.

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Speaker 3: It such a beast?

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Speaker 4: Thank you? I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Fun with art therapy, it sounds very fairy. But I

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Speaker 1: know in this show tonight there's a number of participants

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Speaker 1: who are taking part in this, some of whom said

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Speaker 1: art therapy is not for me, it's es et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And yet their stories were very interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a very It's like one of the most

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Speaker 4: beautiful things I've ever taken part in because you know,

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Speaker 4: it's something that so many of us are familiar with,

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Speaker 4: and I definitely am, like, I've had my struggles over

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Speaker 4: the last twenty or so years, but I'm in a

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Speaker 4: great space. But being able to take seven different Australians

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Speaker 4: put them into a room and basically they're playing where

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Speaker 4: they're going back to childhood and not judging themselves anymore,

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Speaker 4: like focusing on a task. But then you know, feeling

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Speaker 4: really free and kind of surrendering to the space. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: some of them are like, this is not for me.

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Speaker 4: One of them said, this is wanky. This is for

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Speaker 4: white divorced women with lots of money, and you know,

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Speaker 4: and just kind of watching them evolve and come out

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Speaker 4: of it in such a special and extraordinary way. You'll

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Speaker 4: get to see it. You'll see their eyes light up,

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Speaker 4: you see their posture change, you see their connection with

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Speaker 4: each other change. And it's some days they're really frustrated,

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Speaker 4: and it's because it's a fly on the wall documentary. Right.

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Speaker 4: So we have the amazing we have amazing Australian artists

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Speaker 4: like Wendy Sharp and Archboord, winner provocative and mixed media

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Speaker 4: artists Abdulla Abdullah and the amazing Eddie Perfect we just

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Speaker 4: called adore so taking them through the ropes of things

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Speaker 4: that they may not be familiar with. But it is

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Speaker 4: about its sensory, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And it's tactile and it's also it's evident, it's quite

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Speaker 2: a fiable because you're going to measure the impact by

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Speaker 2: Australia's Black Dog Institute is going to see whether it's

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Speaker 2: actually helped.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. So they follow the participants every single

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Speaker 4: day and you know, whether it's like blood pressure or

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Speaker 4: different like things that they take almost daily, they can

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Speaker 4: see what actually happens physiologically to these participants. So it's

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Speaker 4: pretty it's really interesting, but it also hope. I think

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Speaker 4: the hope is that you know, we can give people

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Speaker 4: out their tools that they can take into their every

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Speaker 4: day life and go oh okay, and like you know,

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Speaker 4: like not a lot of people have a lot of

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Speaker 4: money these days. It's like, what can I do to

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Speaker 4: help myself that won't cost a lot that you know,

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Speaker 4: I don't have to wait six months to get into

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Speaker 4: a therapist because it's so hard, like this system is

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Speaker 4: so shot, you know. So so look it's really impactful.

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Speaker 4: It's very powerful. Hopefully it gets you know, the everyone

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Speaker 4: talking about mental ill health that it's not something to

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Speaker 4: be ashamed of and that we can let go of

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Speaker 4: that stigma and help one another through this. I'm just

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Speaker 4: sort of sick of the you know, the social media

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Speaker 4: is like I'm perfect, Everything's perfect, I'm amazing, Like how

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Speaker 4: good am I? It's like, what are we talking about here?

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Speaker 2: It's not real life.

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Speaker 3: Nobody's perfect. Yeah, but when they sit in the room

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Speaker 3: are they are they doing paintings or are they doing craft?

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Speaker 3: What are they?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: Because when I was a kid, what is this?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: When I was a kid, you know, I used to

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Speaker 3: love building. I used to love building Model era planes.

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Speaker 3: You know the kids build Model era planes anymore. You

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Speaker 3: my brother I discovered what would happen is like, halfway

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Speaker 3: plane and break or something. So what we do is

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Speaker 3: then we'd have a plane crashing.

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Speaker 1: But would that help your mental health.

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Speaker 3: In the city? I didn't help my dad's mental health

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Speaker 3: because he was a pilot. So when he come into

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Speaker 3: because it was easy to have a crashing plane to

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Speaker 3: build a complete one. But yeah, it did help. It

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Speaker 3: was quite Uh.

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Speaker 1: Well, my Laxman's an artist and when people say to him,

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Speaker 1: you know, do you meditate whatever, he said, that's what

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Speaker 1: my painting is. People have their art helps, doesn't all

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Speaker 1: forms of art.

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Speaker 4: I mean art and creativity. Like I think art can

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Speaker 4: feel like they have to be good at it, and

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Speaker 4: the idea is that you're just playing and you're letting

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Speaker 4: go get pain and like do whatever. But the interesting

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Speaker 4: thing is, like I spoke to the guys on Sunday

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Speaker 4: night because they're all a bit nervous and excited about

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Speaker 4: the premiere tonight, and like, I don't know how five

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Speaker 4: of them are like still painting like every day, and

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Speaker 4: like they're really good. I'm like, what do you mean

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Speaker 4: came into the show going I've never drawn or I've

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Speaker 4: never painted, And they're actually, you know them really integrated

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Speaker 4: it into their everyday life. So I'm seeing the benefits

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Speaker 4: of it through them. So you just never know who's

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Speaker 4: going to gravitate to what. So Yes, in answering your question, Jones,

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Speaker 4: there's there's painting, there's mixed media, and then there's writing

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Speaker 4: a song and singing and performing. So again, a lot

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Speaker 4: of these things release certain endorphins in our body. There's

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Speaker 4: certain things neurologically that happen when we release and let

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Speaker 4: go like that, and a lot of people that do

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Speaker 4: have different mental ill health, they find it hard a

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Speaker 4: lot of the times to focus, you know, there's like that,

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Speaker 4: and a lot of the participants said to me when

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Speaker 4: they were given the tasks, they really enjoyed kind of

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Speaker 4: like yep, okay, what is it? What do I need

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Speaker 4: to do? And then they could be free and kind

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Speaker 4: of let go and yeah, it just I think there's

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Speaker 4: this is the really big the beginning of something that could.

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Speaker 3: Help a lot of people break out the ukulele or

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Speaker 3: everyone but scom oh okay. Yeah, and that is always

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Speaker 3: great to talk to you. Space twenty two premiers tonight

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Speaker 3: at eight o'clock on the ABC and ABC I View

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Speaker 3: Natalie Bassing, Great, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you, Nat