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Speaker 1: We know.

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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister Scott Morrison met with the National Cabinet

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Speaker 2: on Friday afternoon, where the issue of hotel quarantine and

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Speaker 2: obviously repatriating Australians was on the agenda. The PM revealed

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Speaker 2: the Commonwealth is in negotiations with the Northern Territory government

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Speaker 2: to expand the capacity of Howard Springs beyond eight hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty people per fortnite. Joining me in the studio

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Speaker 2: is the Chief Minister, Michael Gunner. Good morning, day Caddy Chief.

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Speaker 2: We've all heard that there has been some issues I

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Speaker 2: guess you'd say with hotel quarantine in other states. The

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Speaker 2: Howard Springs facility is looking like really a preferred site

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Speaker 2: for those repatriated Aussies. So what capacity are we looking

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Speaker 2: at expanding to.

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Speaker 3: Well, we established a reputation for excellence about this time

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Speaker 3: last year when we took those Australians out of Whan.

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Speaker 3: We obviously have the agreement with the Australian Gunmer for

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Speaker 3: eight fifty. Now we'll get there in about March. I

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Speaker 3: will thought about the eight fifty. We have a current

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Speaker 3: around cyclones, so obviously we go at cyclone shelters out there.

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Speaker 1: We've got about manage those cyclones.

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Speaker 3: We've got a couple of cautionary steps were taken in

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Speaker 3: just in case there's ever anything that happens in the

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Speaker 3: territory and we need those beds for territorians to manage.

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Speaker 1: An internal situation.

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Speaker 3: Never needed it, but I think it's really important we

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Speaker 3: aside for domestic hot spots, which lately we're not been

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Speaker 1: The hot spots have lasted for a.

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Speaker 3: Shorter period of time, and I think people have now

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Speaker 3: And obviously we've got the eight fifty on the international side.

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Speaker 1: I would have thought we.

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Speaker 3: Said this is the PM that we probably can't expand

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Speaker 3: Post cyclone season, and that's when you get into that

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Speaker 3: We've got to have smart about the kind of numbers

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, but so post cyclone season, realistically we

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Speaker 2: could be looking at about seventeen hundred people out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's about about the major market plus staff.

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Speaker 3: Obviously will need help from the common So you mentioned

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Speaker 3: probably need common Wealth assistance around personnel. So there comes

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Speaker 3: a point in time where you're just running up against

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Speaker 3: qualified people can work work in the facility, and we

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Speaker 3: obviously discussed this national cabinet on Friday. Hotel slash quarantine

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Speaker 3: full stop. We can't take take the load for the nation.

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Speaker 3: We've had this chat before. Katie Sydney's taking three thousand

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Speaker 3: we won't be able to take three thousand a fortnight

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Speaker 1: We're not talking those kinds of numbers.

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Speaker 3: We just can't do that, so there needs to be

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Speaker 1: We can't do it all.

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Speaker 3: Through the Northern territory, but we can do our bit,

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Speaker 2: Much of that. I guess you know, many people will

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Speaker 2: Care and Trauma Response Centers OZMAT team have done a

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Speaker 3: Or they'll be all part of the conversations if you're

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Speaker 3: looking at expanding, is it them expanding across and taking

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Speaker 1: Very good that this makes sense.

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Speaker 3: So we've both been running quarantine out there now for

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Speaker 1: We've got ect working relationship.

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Speaker 1: So we work that up between us.

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Speaker 3: But I can rest territory territories can rest assured whether

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Speaker 3: It all comes under the remit the Church of Controller.

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Speaker 3: By the way, so we've got a really good chain

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Speaker 2: Now, one of the other big changes that came into

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Speaker 3: Obviously the police are still in the airports, that's where

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Speaker 3: But we're very comfortable with how though border controls are working.

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Speaker 3: We've got the map to our borders very very quickly.

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Speaker 2: Going on, and you're confident that we're not going to

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Speaker 3: You obviously still have to follow a direction when you

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Speaker 2: Gee. It's certainly those borders have come down a lot

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Speaker 3: And know we've still got border controls and I think

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Speaker 3: We'll still have to manage our borders and have the

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Speaker 2: All right, Chief Minister, Let's move along and talk about

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Speaker 2: a lot of Territorians. Crime. Since we last spoke, almost

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Speaker 3: Well, I've flag three areas where I think we can

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Speaker 2: Okay, so forty kids in detention at the moment. Now,

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Speaker 3: My info goes to a financial year which is a

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Speaker 3: for nineteen twenty. Since then, we've got seven INMU stations

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Speaker 2: I know how fuch we get you it'd be how

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Speaker 3: So I mind saying six seven went through those eleven camps.

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Speaker 3: I ask for more detail about what they're canning. It

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Speaker 3: five percent success and essentially not reoffending does mean fifteen

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Speaker 1: That's great. How do you get the fifteen percent improved?

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Speaker 2: About eighty kids. Now, would you consider that those that

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Speaker 3: So I'd say a five per cent sex success rate

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Speaker 1: So I want police are the courts?

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Speaker 3: I look there and go right, I men, you I

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Speaker 3: with Ruscuer Brothers. Okay, yeah, yeah, so your choice, all right.

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Speaker 2: So when we talk about then young people that are

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Speaker 3: So we've obviously given the power for that to be done.

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Speaker 3: How many would be wearing them would change. So bails

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Speaker 2: Is it correct that there's only been one that's actually

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Speaker 1: I have to do. I have double check on that one, Katie.

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Speaker 2: Do you I mean is this a space where we

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Speaker 2: If they're not the decision is it because my understanding

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Speaker 3: Oh so on that not necessarily to that issue, but

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Speaker 3: There were some technical issues at times with the bracelet,

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Speaker 2: Now, Okay, now when we talk about then the youth

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Speaker 3: So this is I hope you don't mind. Okay, this

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Speaker 1: Bail's not an automate thing. That's granted.

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Speaker 3: There are thirty kids physically remanded right now in a

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Speaker 1: There was nowhere to bail them too. So so not

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Speaker 3: A safe home, and sometimes kids were having to be

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Speaker 3: If sathing's going on in that household and violin, you

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Speaker 2: All right, Look what I'm getting at is, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'll break it down this way. What can I do

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Speaker 3: every kid gets bailed. If crime occurs and a kid

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Speaker 3: And then so for me, those two aspects are more important.

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Speaker 3: I'll look at what Queensland's doing. But for me, what

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Speaker 3: two big things I need to work on. Bail's a

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you acknowledge though that the community is

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Speaker 3: And you'll see I'll get it, and you'll see from

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Speaker 3: if it's given, as I said, thirty kids in remand,

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Speaker 3: so it's not guarantee, you know, and the court should

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Speaker 2: So can I just with those numbers you said, there's

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Speaker 3: So I'll double check that, mindstanding, it's four kids in detention,

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Speaker 3: the seventies the correct number.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Chief finister. Can we we've got so many messages

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Speaker 2: you can see that Alice Springs is at crisis point?

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Speaker 3: I think that Alice Springs keeps spiking and it's a

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Speaker 3: real problem. So we had a very bad weekend in

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Speaker 3: our Springs on the twenty third and twenty fourth of January,

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Speaker 3: those twenty five property crime offenses. We responded immediately, police

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Speaker 3: s fan them all extra police patrols through the CBD

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Speaker 3: and we haven't had a repeat of that weekend. So

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Speaker 3: I think there are number of things we did in

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Speaker 3: ol Springs that worked over the school holiday period. The

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Speaker 3: youth hub I believe worked. We had you know a

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Speaker 3: lot of kids go through that youth hub, but then

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Speaker 3: you had that extremely bad weekend. So you just can

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Speaker 3: never be complacent.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just reading here Steve who who runs thrifty

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Speaker 2: car Rentals. He said he doesn't usually comment on social media,

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Speaker 2: but thrifty car Rentals has been since Christmas fourteen broken

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Speaker 2: windows in cars and buildings, unlawful entries into our yard,

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Speaker 2: several attempt to break in and massive amounts of damage.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is just sort of this sounds as

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Speaker 2: though it's become something that's just common in Alice.

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Speaker 3: And we don't want it to be common. I don't

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Speaker 3: want anyone else Springs to not feel safe. And so

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Speaker 3: we've obviously got a lot of victims of crime in

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Speaker 3: our springs. We've got a lot of people working their

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Speaker 3: guts out in ours, and we've increased number of people

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Speaker 3: working in our springs on these issues, not just with police,

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Speaker 3: but with territory, families and other things. We keep trying

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Speaker 3: new things, so that you table was a brand new

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Speaker 3: thing we tried over December January. We've got a lot

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Speaker 3: of kids off the streets into a safe place and engage,

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Speaker 3: which I.

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Speaker 1: Think is really important.

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Speaker 3: So that goes to that crime prevention space doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: crime didn't ocur, and so we've still got a lot

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Speaker 3: of work we've got to do there. There's a mobility

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Speaker 3: factor to well, there's mobility fact on the terretory full stop.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a bigger mobility factor in ours, and

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Speaker 3: you have kids moving in and out, families moving in

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Speaker 3: and out. It's not always visitors that come to town

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Speaker 3: that commit these crimes unfortunately, like it is Al Springs

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Speaker 3: kids too. So there's just a lot of work. There's

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Speaker 3: just going to be a lot of work in Our Springs.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not going to lie to you and so

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Speaker 3: there's a quick fix or a civil bullet. It's just

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Speaker 3: a lot of work.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone thinks there is. But Chief, why

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Speaker 2: didn't you meet with community members when you were there

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Speaker 2: last week?

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Speaker 3: So I offer meet with commupp when I'm in ol Springs.

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Speaker 3: The last trip was very very quick, short trip down there,

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Speaker 3: so Brent Warren, who's currently running Office Department of Chief

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Speaker 3: Minister in Our Springs, a short stint. He's actually out

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Speaker 3: of territory families, very senior in territory families, so we're

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Speaker 3: going to have to recruit to replace his role. So

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Speaker 3: the priority of my trip was meeting with him and

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Speaker 3: talking about what had been happening in Ol Springs, wast Sows,

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Speaker 3: the challenges ahead, and going through that with him. So

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Speaker 3: it was a bit as a working trip, basically working

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Speaker 3: and tasking.

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Speaker 2: I mean for the people of Alice Springs, though they

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Speaker 2: feel as though they're in crisis. I mean, when you

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Speaker 2: talk about a crisis, obviously COVID has been a crisis

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Speaker 2: all around Australia and it's been high on the priority

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Speaker 2: list for everybody. When you then look at Alice Springs,

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Speaker 2: they feel like they're in crisis. Don't you think that

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Speaker 2: you should sit down with those community members and actually

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Speaker 2: hear what they've got to say.

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Speaker 3: And I do that all the time, and I'll have

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Speaker 3: you to do that next time analyics as well. So

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Speaker 3: that's a regular thing I do in Alice usually go

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Speaker 3: out patrol with the police or territory family workers at

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Speaker 3: different times of night and see what's going on as well.

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Speaker 3: So I do a lot of that work when I

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Speaker 3: go down to Alice. Absolutely accept that responsibility as chief,

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Speaker 3: So I get to Alice a lot and obviously do

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Speaker 3: that in Alice went regularly.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Chief, I'm just going to read a couple of

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Speaker 2: messages that we've received this morning. One here says Katie,

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Speaker 2: can you please ask the Chief Minister, how can you

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Speaker 2: say there are no issues with crime when there were

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Speaker 2: five break ins overnight in one street of Humpty Doo,

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Speaker 2: including a lady who lives by herself in her seventies.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you've ever heard me say there's no

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Speaker 3: issues with crime, Katie, is a constant thing we've got

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Speaker 3: to work on. I would never say there're no is

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Speaker 3: shoes of crime.

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Speaker 2: Another one here from the Karama community page. It's a

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Speaker 2: kid's walking a kid walking around with bolt cutters in there,

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Speaker 2: you know, carrying around bolt cart.

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Speaker 1: I think of an innocent reason for that.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and I think it kind of demonstrates I suppose

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Speaker 2: the concerns that some people have got in those community,

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Speaker 2: in those different areas. One here, Katie, can you please

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Speaker 2: ask the Chief minister, how do you see restitution helping

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Speaker 2: with My seventy four year old neighbor who was broken

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Speaker 2: into last night, was so scared it took her an

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Speaker 2: hour to pick up the phone to call the police.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what would you say to that person so

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Speaker 2: that that has to.

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Speaker 1: Be a consequence.

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Speaker 3: I understand that that won't if we make that person

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Speaker 3: feel safe, but what happens to someone who commits a crime,

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Speaker 3: there has to be a consequence as genuine and serious

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Speaker 3: and leads to a change of behavior. And I think

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Speaker 3: the community also wants to see that there are people

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Speaker 3: who are returning back to community. So I get that

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Speaker 3: for that person, that may not make them feel safe,

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Speaker 3: but I can't let the person get off scott free either,

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Speaker 3: so I don't think is what they're asking for.

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Speaker 2: I've got a message here from one of our listeners

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Speaker 2: in Alice Springs and it's from being It says, although

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Speaker 2: bail is after crime has occurred, the fact that there

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Speaker 2: are kids still committing crime after being on bail is

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Speaker 2: a sign that the deterrent is not there.

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Speaker 3: Well, there has to be a consequence, and that's what

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Speaker 3: I'm working on. Bail's that brief period time before the

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Speaker 3: consequences is given. There are thirty kids on remand bail's

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Speaker 3: not guaranteed. And if you obviously do the wrong thing

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Speaker 3: and bail and you go before the courts, you're going

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Speaker 3: to face a much deeper consequence.

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Speaker 2: Chief. In the paper today, it's being reported that the

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Speaker 2: Law Council President slammed mandatory sentencing regimes here in the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory. I mean, is this a situation right now

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Speaker 2: where you, as the Chief Minister and the Government are

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Speaker 2: trying your best to juggle the expectations obviously of the

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Speaker 2: law community and the handing down of the Royal Commission

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Speaker 2: and the expectation of the community. That's crying out for help.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 3: I think there are many sides to the law and

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Speaker 3: order conversation. For me as chief, I'm going to take

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Speaker 3: it all on. Then I just have to do what's

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Speaker 3: best for what I see is best for territories that's

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Speaker 3: got to do the work. Law Reform Committee says, you know,

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Speaker 3: they will take their position. I think territorians want to

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Speaker 3: see a genuine, meaningful consequence that breaks a cycle of crime,

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Speaker 3: and that's the intention that that's why I'm going to

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Speaker 3: take out of the prole Commission, and so that's why

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Speaker 3: I've got to deliver. I think the comments today we're

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Speaker 3: a little out of step what public expectation is.

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Speaker 1: But I guess it post shows that.

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Speaker 3: As to you, if you'll get criticized from many fronts,

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Speaker 3: you've got to always just do your best. And my

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Speaker 3: best has to be that territorians feel safe and are safe.

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Speaker 1: There has to be the outcome.

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Speaker 3: There has to be the outcome, and there are territories

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Speaker 3: out there that don't meet either of those criteria, and

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Speaker 3: so you've got to keep doing the work until they do.

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Speaker 2: Is this the number one priority for you right now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And jobs?

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Speaker 3: I think safety and jobs like Yeah, there's many aspects

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Speaker 3: of safety. You can throw coronavirus under safety, and then

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Speaker 3: we've got to get get people employed. Right, The one

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Speaker 3: long term way out of this if you've got crime

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Speaker 3: problems is a pump and economy, and we're coming back

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Speaker 3: at the moment some good stats going our way. But

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Speaker 3: you've got to you've got to grow the economy. You've

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Speaker 3: got to give hope, you gotta give jobs, and that's

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Speaker 3: one thing that tackles crime.

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Speaker 2: Chief Minister Michael Gunner, I appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for coming in and we'll catch

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Speaker 2: you in a couple of weeks. Thank you, thank you,