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Speaker 2: This is the Daily OS.

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Speaker 1: Oh now it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday,

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Speaker 3: the sixth of February. I'm emma, I'm losing This week,

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Speaker 3: the unfair dismissial case brought by journalist Antoinette Latouf against

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Speaker 3: the ABC is being heard in court. The case centers

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Speaker 3: around a claim by Latouf that she was fired by

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Speaker 3: the ABC halfway through a short term contract because of

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Speaker 3: a post she shared to Instagram about the war in Gaza.

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Speaker 3: The ABC is fighting against the claims and says the

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Speaker 3: journalist was not unfairly dismissed.

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Speaker 2: So m This case has been a pretty big one

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Speaker 2: for the media industry because it involves the national broadcaster,

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Speaker 2: the ABC, and that broadcaster has been involved in a

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Speaker 2: very public, sometimes ugly dispute with this journalist Antoinette Latouf.

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Speaker 2: Can you take me back to the beginning, Where did

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been going on for a little while, and

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Speaker 3: it's taken many twists and turns, so it's been hard

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Speaker 3: to keep up with if you've just kind of been

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Speaker 3: seeing the headlines. So we are gonna bring everyone up

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Speaker 3: to speed today Antoinette Latouf is a Lebanese Australian broadcaster

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Speaker 3: and author. She founded the not for profit Media Diversity

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Speaker 3: Australia and she was hired by the ABC to host

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Speaker 3: a radio program for ABC Sydney and that was in

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Speaker 3: December twenty twenty three. She was hired to host this

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Speaker 3: program from the eighteenth to the twenty second of December

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Speaker 3: to fill in for the show's regular host, who.

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Speaker 1: Was on leave at the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah so Latouf completed a few of those days hosting

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Speaker 3: the show under that short term contract, but halfway through

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: That was after ABC management raised concerns over a post

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Speaker 3: that Antoinette Latouf had shared on social media. It was

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Speaker 3: from Human Rights Watch and the post in question was

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Speaker 3: Israel was starving civilians in Gaza as part of its

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Speaker 3: ongoing war with her mus Latouf is understood to have

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Speaker 3: comment human Rights Watch reporting starvation as tool of war.

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Speaker 3: Latouf was dismissed from her role on the twentieth of December,

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Speaker 3: two days before the contract was due.

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Speaker 2: To finish, and then when she was dismissed. What reasons

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Speaker 3: So the ABC said Latouf was asked specifically not to

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Speaker 3: though it wasn't a post that Antonette Leatuf had made,

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Speaker 1: The sharing of a post.

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Speaker 3: There was a comment attached to that, and they argue

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Speaker 3: that that breaches that social media policy.

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Speaker 1: At the ABC.

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Speaker 3: As the national broadcaster, which means it's funded by taxpayer money,

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Speaker 3: the ABC has to uphold really strict impartiality standards to

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Speaker 3: biased way. There are lots of conversations about this, about

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Speaker 3: the expectation on the ABC to report in an impartial

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Speaker 3: it is part of its charter as the public broadcaster,

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Speaker 3: that it adheres to those unbiased standards. Central Tilatouf's claim

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Speaker 3: after a quote coordinated campaign against her by a group

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Speaker 3: of pro Israel lobbyists. Those claims have been strongly disputed

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Speaker 2: Now, so she's let go from this contract, and she

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Speaker 1: Do we know why?

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Speaker 3: So? Antoinette Leateuf says that she was unfairly dismissed on

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Speaker 1: So there are certain rights that are protected under this act.

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Speaker 3: The Act also says you can't terminate someone's employment on

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Speaker 2: So the case has come to court obviously. Now it's

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Speaker 2: been a fairly long time between December twenty twenty three

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the reason that this has been so stretched

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Speaker 3: and during that process, the ABC denied the claims, as

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Speaker 3: on whether or not that was fair. So the unfair

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Speaker 2: I see when cases are before the federal court, sometimes

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Speaker 2: it's easy to understand why that's been the case. So

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Speaker 1: What have we heard?

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Speaker 3: So on Monday we heard the opening statement from Latoof's

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Speaker 1: Her socials were quote full of anti Semitic hatred.

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Speaker 3: According to Latouf's lawyer, the former chair Ida Buttros said,

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Speaker 2: So then on Tuesday, there was a focus on Latoof's

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Speaker 2: What do we hear of that?

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Speaker 3: So on day two of these hearings, the court heard

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Speaker 1: As a result of this dismissal.

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Speaker 3: So they pointed to her being awarded prizes, launching a podcast,

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Speaker 3: Antoinette Latouf has actually benefited rather than has suffered. In

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Speaker 2: So then on Wednesday it was the ABC's turn. We

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Speaker 3: Yes, So the latest from the Federal Court is that yesterday,

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Speaker 3: cross examined by Latouf's lawyer. He admitted the personal social

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Speaker 3: policies around balance and neutrality. So we had mentioned earlier

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Speaker 3: online in terms of public statements, though, Anderson said presenters

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Speaker 3: If they do something that is otherwise considered to be

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Speaker 2: Interesting, it's certainly a challenge that every journalist and every

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Speaker 3: Exactly, And I think the kind of bigger picture of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So the case is continuing throughout this week.

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Speaker 2: Not sure when we'll have ultimately a judgment in that case,

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Speaker 2: have them. Thanks so much for explaining that to me, Emma.

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