1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure. 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: With me Lolaberry, author, nutritionist, and yoga teacher, join me 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: as we get to know these guests and learn about 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: how their failures have ultimately shaped their dreams. 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to fearlessly failing with Lolaberry. 6 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 3: Get A. 7 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: It's lolls here first and foremost. I want to send 8 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,319 Speaker 2: mega loove to Victorians, especially Melbournians that just found out 9 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: a couple of hours ago, because we're recording this on 10 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: a Sunday. This episode comes out tomorrow Monday morning. But 11 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 2: a couple of hours ago we found out that our premiere, 12 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: Dan Andrews was saying there's going to be about another 13 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: three weeks of lockdown for Malbournians in stage four and 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: then it's a four step process to. 15 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: Get out of that. Now Boss and I are in rural. 16 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: Victoria or regional Victoria, so the rules seem a little 17 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: bit muddy, like I want to get some clarity on them, 18 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: so I'm gonna do some deep diving tonight. But one 19 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: of the most amazing things to come out of this 20 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 2: lockdown was making the choice to continue this podcast even 21 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: though I couldn't see people in real life, and today's 22 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: guest wouldn't have been on the podcast if it wasn't 23 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: for Lockdown. So I recorded this in talkie. He he 24 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: The guest Ben Milliken, who is an amazing actor, director 25 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 2: and producer, recorded this from his home in La In fact, 26 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,919 Speaker 2: I think in one bit you'll hear of mister Whippie 27 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: Van Go Past. 28 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: But this guy's in a wonderful movie. 29 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: Ben is the kind of comic relief of a really 30 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: sweet but confronting film. 31 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: It's called The Mighty Oak and it's. 32 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: Officially out now on Google Play, Apple, TV, Amazon. 33 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: We loved it. 34 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: I know you're gonna love it too. I just hope 35 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: you get a little bit of insight from this wonderful 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: creative soul and mega love Victoria thinking of you. 37 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: We are totally going to get through this. 38 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: Awesome Welcome to the podcast, Ben Milkan. 39 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: You're a fellow Ossie, aren't you. 40 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 4: I am indeed here, Yes, actually at the moment I am. 41 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 3: I am. I've been here for since two thousand and eight. 42 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 3: I've been here. 43 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've listened, I've done my I'm a virgo, so 44 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: I research a bit OCD. So I've done a hunk 45 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: of research on you. So I know you moved to 46 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 2: LA when you were twenty two? 47 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: Is that right? Yes, yes, I have. 48 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 4: Actually I was twenty two and then I have my 49 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 4: twenty third birthday here like. 50 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 3: A couple of weeks after moving here. 51 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: So oh that's pretty awesome. Yeah, good birthday celebration people. 52 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: But well, before we get too into because I really 53 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: want to talk to you about Mighty Oak and yeah, 54 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: acting Korea produced directed, You've done so much amazing stuff. 55 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: First of all, how on earth is it going in 56 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 2: La at the moment. We're obviously in the middle of 57 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: a pandemic. I know your wife has got a cafe. 58 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: I imagine has stuff been affected? What's it like there 59 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: at the moment. 60 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: Well, it's it's been. 61 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 4: It's been kind of gnihily, to tell you the truth. 62 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 4: I mean, when it first hit, we were kind of 63 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 4: in shock by the whole thing, and then like is 64 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 4: this gonna happen? Is this gonna happen? Is this gonna happen? 65 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 4: Whar it's happening? And then all of a sudden, it's 66 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 4: like we're shutting everything down. We do have a coffee 67 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 4: shop and that was majorly affected, Like right off the bat, 68 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 4: you know, we had to close the doors we had 69 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 4: to figure out, you know, how how. 70 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: It's going to operate, how we're gonna how we're gonna. 71 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 4: Do this, and you know, it was just kind of 72 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 4: really everything closed. I've never experienced anything like this in 73 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 4: my entire life, everything closing like that. 74 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: We're in Victoria. I'm in Talkie. 75 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: I don't know if you know, Talkie in Victoria kind 76 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: of like the surf coast of Victoria. 77 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys got pretty bad there for a while. 78 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: Huh, we're still in lockdown. 79 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: We're in our third round of lockdown and we're talking 80 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 2: stage four here, so curfews. It's pretty wow, it's pretty 81 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: gnarly and the same thing as what The only things 82 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: that are allowed to be open for us are essential needs, 83 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: So so many businesses have just shut down, like completely. 84 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: Shut. Are you guys still in a kind of lockdown situation. 85 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 4: No, we were in that for a while, but we're 86 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 4: we're kind of now. You know, restaurants are allowed to 87 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 4: be open for outdoor dining. 88 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 3: There's a mask mandate. Everyone's got to wear a mask. 89 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 3: You go. 90 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, no gatherings, no bars, and stuff are closed and 91 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 4: kind of like non essential kind of businesses, like you know, 92 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 4: you can't go get a tattoo right now, of course. 93 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: You know, but I didn't know if you'd want to. 94 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 3: But no, agree, you know, it's kind of it's just weird. 95 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it is. 96 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it's so a few of my friends live 97 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: in LA and it's actually been so nice to connect 98 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: with them with me being like Victoria, because it sounds 99 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: like the struggle has been obviously the numbers are way 100 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 2: higher in America, but yeah, just the effect, like the 101 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: effect on lifestyle has been a little bit similar. 102 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: And a few of my. 103 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: Mate's actors and they're like, lols, we're not shooting again 104 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: until next year. 105 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: Is the same thing happened for you? 106 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 4: I mean, things are starting to open back up now, 107 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 4: so I've seen it. Couple things start to kind of 108 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 4: start shooting, But I don't think anything's really been happening here. 109 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: I think most actually, no, I know that I know 110 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: that Bosh. 111 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 4: Is going back in September, So that's one show that's 112 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 4: going back in September, and a couple things have kind 113 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 4: of started to pick up again. But you know we're talking, 114 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 4: you know, getting a test every single day, and when 115 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 4: crazy social distancing and there's all these new guidelines. It's 116 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 4: just they're taking it really seriously and as they should. 117 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 4: But I think the biggest thing for me has been 118 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 4: it's been so weird that at the amount of division 119 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 4: in people that this thing has caused. 120 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 3: Totally. It's been really, really, really crazy because it's all 121 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: of a sudden, this virus has got political mm hmm. 122 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 3: And I don't know how, but it just turned into 123 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 3: this big political thing. And then it's like now, it's 124 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 3: like it's a thing now. 125 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: And you've got an election coming up as well. 126 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 3: This is gonna be the first one I can actually 127 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: vote in. 128 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: Oh wows will you agree? 129 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: Older? Is that why I'm a citizen? 130 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: Congratulations, I've been through the green card process. 131 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: It is gnarly. 132 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's nuts, it's nuts, But yeah, I got my 133 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 4: passport a couple of years ago, so yes, it's yeah, 134 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 4: I'm all set. 135 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: So good. 136 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: You mentioned you mentioned Bosh. Now I have done a 137 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: bit of research. You played a baddie, right Carter. 138 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it was so fun that show. 139 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 4: It's it's one of the best, one of the best 140 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 4: cop drammas i've I've seen it. It's so well done 141 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 4: and it's got this really cool kind of Nuan nostalgic 142 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 4: cinematic feel to the show. It's extremely well written, and 143 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 4: everybody involved in that show is just they're just all 144 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 4: stand up people. 145 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: They are so cool. And the way that show runs 146 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: is like you know, you know when you find like 147 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: a group of people and you're like, this just really 148 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: really works. Everybody here is awesome. There's no ego. 149 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 4: It's just everybody's just all together just to make cool stuff. 150 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 4: And that's that's exactly what they do on that show. 151 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: Oh so good. I've actually it was. 152 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: I've listened to a few interviews with you, and it 153 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: sounds like you've worked on some pretty cool projects that 154 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: have had very like being so differing in their experiences. 155 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: Like you're in South Africa shooting even Crush too. 156 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like were you based there for three months? How 157 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: did that go? 158 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 3: I was there for three months? Wow? 159 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was kind of It was a crazy 160 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 4: shoot too, because we started in Durban, right and then 161 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 4: we traveled basically all the way down the coast, the 162 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 4: wild Coast they call it, and there's like literally nothing, 163 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 4: There's there's people there in living in mud huts. 164 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 3: Still, it is. 165 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 4: It is crazy and to be driving down the Highway 166 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 4: going to kind of the next place you're going to 167 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 4: stay for like a couple of days or whatever. 168 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: And seeing giraffes. Oh wow. It was nuts. 169 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 4: And then we ended up in Cape Town at the 170 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 4: end of the shoot, and Cape Town's like it feels 171 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 4: like a European city. 172 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 173 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 4: So it was just it was there's such a huge 174 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 4: contrast between the places over there. 175 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: And now. 176 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: It was one of the most eye opening experiences I've 177 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 4: ever had, too, because there was this one night we 178 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 4: were shooting in one of the slums and I actually 179 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 4: I wasn't scheduled to shoot that night, but I went 180 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 4: down to set just to you know, check out. 181 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 3: It's one of the things I do whenever I'm working. 182 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 3: I like to just be on set anyway, just to 183 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 3: you always learned something new, You always learn something new, 184 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 3: You always pick up something. So I like to just 185 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: be around it. And so I went down and I 186 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 3: met some of the happiest people I have ever met 187 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 3: in my entire life. And they are the people that 188 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: lived there, and they it's dirt roads, it's you know, 189 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 3: one bathroom for every three blocks of people, and they're 190 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: living in these little huts that they made out of 191 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: like scraps that they found and they were the happiest 192 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: people I've ever met in my life, Like their their 193 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 3: faces just lit up, and wow, we're doing something wrong. Yeah, 194 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 3: and I've. 195 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: Been super present as well. 196 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: I've heard you speak to presents before on another podcast 197 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: and yes, yeah, do you know. 198 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: What I think? 199 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: What I think when you say to me surf movie 200 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: South Africa, My brain goes, great white Shark. 201 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: Yeah that's what I think. God we saw on, Thank 202 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,599 Speaker 3: you God we saw on on. 203 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: But yeah, and is it true your first kind of 204 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 2: like breakout role was a surf movie in Australian surf 205 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: movie movie called Newcastle. 206 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: Is that right? 207 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, that was actually my first ever job. 208 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: That's so cool. I mean, and you were you grew 209 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: up Northern Beaches. 210 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: You were kind of like a surfer boxer, like the 211 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: kind of Aussie fit, healthy, beachy kind of guy. 212 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I mean, that's exactly how I 213 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 3: grew up. 214 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 4: And you know, I actually one of my mates from 215 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 4: acting class told me about this project. 216 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 3: Because I didn't. 217 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 4: I didn't, you know, I wasn't one of the kids 218 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 4: in school that you know, was in drama class and 219 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 4: was in all of that sort of stuff that was 220 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 4: predestined to be the actor. All I knew was that, 221 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 4: you know, whenever there was a movie on or whenever 222 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 4: there was a television show on that I that I 223 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 4: was drawn to it, and just I was obsessed with 224 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 4: the fact that they could create, you know, an entire world, yeah, 225 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 4: from scratch, from their imagination, and it's just for however 226 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 4: long you could go to a different universe. 227 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: And yeah, that's okay, Yeah, really it really is. And 228 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: so that was that was all I knew about it. 229 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 4: And then after I finished high school, I I traveled 230 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 4: around Europe for a couple of months and then I 231 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 4: got back. 232 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: And wow, this is a really big world out there, and. 233 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 4: You can kind of do anything you put your mind 234 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 4: to it, if you put your mind to it. And 235 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 4: so I, okay, I'm going to find an acting class 236 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 4: because I. 237 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 3: Would like to do that. And if I'd like to 238 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: do that, then I. 239 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 4: Got to figure out if I can actually do it 240 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 4: and if I'm good at it. And so I found 241 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 4: a class, and a year later, one of my mates 242 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 4: in acting class said, oh, there's this there's this movie 243 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 4: there auditioning for surfer characters. You should audition and so 244 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 4: I did, and then that was that amaze? 245 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: Can you I love the audition process for Mighty Oak 246 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: because I think it was super super quick for you, 247 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 2: wasn't it? 248 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 3: It was so quick? Yeah. 249 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 4: So I get a phone call from my agent saying, oh, 250 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 4: there's this movie. 251 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 3: They want to see a. 252 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 4: Tape, and I said, sure, I'll do a tape. 253 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 3: When's it due? I'm like, now. 254 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 4: Quick, can you get it to us? Can you get 255 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 4: it to us by the morning. I'm like, okay, it's 256 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 4: four pm at this time. So I went to my 257 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 4: acting coach, Tom Draper, action coach, very close friend of 258 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 4: mine also, and we put the tape down at midnight 259 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 4: that night. 260 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 3: And then the next day, at about nine. 261 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 4: O'clock, I got the phone call saying, okay, the offers 262 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 4: coming through. 263 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: You're going to San Diego? Said okay, cool. When do 264 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 3: I go there? Like next week? All right? Amazing? All right, 265 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 3: all right, so we're doing it. 266 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: Can you talk a little about a little bit about Darby? 267 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: Your character? 268 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: He was kind of like, it felt like the comic 269 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 2: relief of the whole Yeah. 270 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, he was the comic relief for is the comic 271 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 4: relief for the whole movie. He's like, you know, because 272 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 4: the movie does deal with some of you're dealing with 273 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 4: grief and loss and death, and you know, there are 274 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 4: some subjects in there that's kind of a little bit heavy, and. 275 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 3: Dubby's there to kind of soften the blow a little bit. 276 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 3: He kind of just makes he's the spoonful of sugar. 277 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 3: But you know, he's also. 278 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 4: Aside from that, he's also kind of this character in 279 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 4: the movie that just really wants everything to just work. 280 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 4: I Mean, all he wants to do is play music 281 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 4: with this particular group of people all the time. So 282 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 4: he's just like, okay, cool, Okay, we got a ten 283 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 4: year old as a front man. Sure, okay, well as 284 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 4: we're playing now, that's fine. 285 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: He's very happy, go lucky, like charm about you. 286 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, he just wants to have fun and just wants 287 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: to laugh. And you know, there's very little that's important 288 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 3: to him, but what is it important to him is 289 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 3: extremely important to him. 290 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like he kind of wears that on 291 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: his sleeve. 292 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, which I'm I'm kind of really jealous of him 293 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 4: in that perspective of just to be like, you know, 294 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 4: there's a few things that matter and they really matter 295 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 4: and the rest of it is just stuff. I think 296 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 4: that's where I'm that's kind of where I'm trying to, 297 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 4: you know, steer my life towards. 298 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: At this moment in time. 299 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 4: So it's it kind of playing that role kind of 300 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 4: sparks something for me. That that was like, you know, 301 00:16:58,600 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 4: my dog's in the background. 302 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: Now, I love it. 303 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 3: What's the name? 304 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 4: I have three so I haven't Yeah, I have a 305 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 4: blue heeler named Boo Boo. Yeah, and then I have 306 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 4: two little ones. 307 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 3: One of them is a Jack Russell Chiuahua and one 308 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 3: of them, one of them is a Chiuahua Italian greyhound mix. 309 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good mix. That's an interesting mix. 310 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 3: It's an interesting mix, very interesting mix. 311 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: Oh, you're speaking to an animal lover right now. So 312 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: back to a Mighty Oak? 313 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 3: Was that? 314 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 2: How long was the entire shoot for you and for 315 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: your character? 316 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 3: We shot for two weeks. 317 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: That's all crazy. 318 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 3: So the turnaround for this movie was so fast from 319 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: audition to the end of the movie and yeah, two weeks. 320 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 3: The reason I think it worked so well is because 321 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 3: of everybody involved. 322 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the energy. 323 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was the there was the vibe was just 324 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 4: perfect from the moment we all sat down together at 325 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 4: the very first table read. We kind of just all 326 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 4: looked around the table and like, Okay, yeah, this is 327 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 4: gonna work, this is gonna work. We there was like 328 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 4: an instant bond. We really felt connected from the get go, 329 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 4: and so that was that was really nice because it's 330 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 4: rare to come by that, you know, that fast and 331 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 4: that organically, and. 332 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: It feels like what you were saying at the start 333 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 2: as well, not too much ego. 334 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: I feel like that, Yeah, there was a magic ingredient. 335 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 3: I think it really is because everybody gets out of 336 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 3: their way. And I've been on projects with plenty of ego, 337 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 3: but the ones that I've spoken about today, that's there's none, 338 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 3: and it's just everybody kind of just gets it. It's 339 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 3: all about the work. 340 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's about telling the story, and you know, 341 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 4: that's what I live for. 342 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 3: That. I love that. 343 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: I've heard an interview where you talk about like your 344 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,719 Speaker 2: initial whenever you get a project, you have this like 345 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: you're almost honored the script first, and you'll consume it 346 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 2: and read it as an audience member. 347 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, yeah, that's such a cool 348 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 5: way to kind of because I imagine every actor's got 349 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 5: so many different processes, but I like the idea of 350 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 5: like honoring the writing first and there layering on you know, 351 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 5: Ben's process whatever that is. 352 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I used to whenever I used to 353 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 4: get it when I'm you know, when I was younger, 354 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 4: when i'd get a script, I would like, I would 355 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 4: get it and read it and then kind of think 356 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 4: to myself, Okay, how can I be really cool in 357 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 4: this and really interesting and be such a good like 358 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 4: actor and stuff. 359 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: But then as I kind. 360 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 4: Of got a little older and had been around a 361 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 4: lot more experienced actors and being able to see them 362 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 4: work and and also speaking to writers and storytellers, I 363 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 4: had learned, you know, the most important thing is the story. Yeah, 364 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,479 Speaker 4: and totally it's first. 365 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 3: Mate. 366 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 4: I always think there's three versions of a film. There's 367 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 4: the film that gets written, then there's the film that 368 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 4: gets shot, and then there's the film that gets edited. 369 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 4: But none of those things happen without the film that 370 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 4: gets written. 371 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 3: Of so. 372 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 4: The writing right down to the final you know, full stop, 373 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 4: is something to be honored because everything is there with 374 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 4: a purpose, and so it's my job to find out 375 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 4: what that purpose is first, and ultimately the purpose is 376 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 4: to do something for the audience, because without an audience, 377 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 4: no one watches a film that we don't exist. 378 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: We are providing a service. 379 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: Really, it's exactly, it's a it's a product. 380 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 4: It's you know, it's to do something for an audience, 381 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 4: to make them feel something, laugh, you know, have an idea, 382 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 4: enlighten them on some kind of subject. So once you're 383 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 4: able to find out what that purpose is, then you 384 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 4: can start to figure out where. 385 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 3: What your job is in. 386 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: That have you Have you heard about Aaron Sorcan famously 387 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 2: won't let one word be wrong honest, like an actor 388 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 2: needs to say word. 389 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: For word the script. 390 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 3: Well, Aaron Sorcan is the man is a genius. He 391 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 3: is an absolute genius. I he does the work for you. 392 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: I feel like he does so much of it. 393 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 3: I mean I could sit and literally watch The West 394 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 3: Wing on repeat all the way through all the time. 395 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 3: A brain phenomenal. I just get the way that those 396 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 3: all of his projects, all of his things are written, 397 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 3: is just he's a genius. 398 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: Genius. 399 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I feel like writing geniuses when 400 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: they come along, they have this ability to touch anybody 401 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: in it. 402 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: Like it's it's like it's. 403 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: Even like to go back to like Tennessee, Williams times 404 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: that guy's heart touches anyone's heart. 405 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 3: Like it's yes, yes, it just it just penetrates totally. 406 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 4: You go, yeah, well, I was going to say, Aaron 407 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 4: watching an Aaron Sorcan film or listening or Aaron Sorkins 408 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 4: show is like listening to a song. The his dialogue 409 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 4: has like a melody to it. It's it's like music 410 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 4: and it just flows so naturally. It's beautiful. 411 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 2: I love that you just mentioned melody and writing because 412 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 2: I study acting and so we're at the moment studying 413 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: a lot of Tennessee and he's all about melody, like 414 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: it's all melody the way it's the whole thing is written. 415 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 2: And also studying a bit of Aaron Sorkin, you can 416 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,719 Speaker 2: feel that there's a rhythm. It's not, it's not just 417 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 2: it's very different, excitingly different. I got really excited when 418 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 2: I saw on YouTube you'd done an interview from at 419 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: Sundance for I think it's called Lake Alice. 420 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, can I ask? 421 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: First of all, I watched the trailer Lake Alice and 422 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my goodness, so so scary. 423 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: But being Aussie, Peter O'Brien was in it and awesome, 424 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: and Peter's a legend so iconic, Aussy too. 425 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 426 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: My question is, actually, though, like I think. 427 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 2: It's so easy to romanticize Sundance Festival. 428 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 3: What's it really like? 429 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 4: Well, it's I mean, so that Sundance experience was I mean, 430 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 4: it was an experience for me, and I mean so 431 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 4: many things went wrong. 432 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 3: During that trip. It was probably one of the most 433 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 3: stressful and heartbreaking trips I've had, you know, because we 434 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 3: had we had just got the film ready. 435 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 4: We did this movie for no money, and you know, 436 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 4: it was the first thing I'd directed, and well the 437 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 4: first feature length thing I directed, and you know, then 438 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 4: we get this kind of invitation to screen it at Sundance. 439 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 4: I was like, You've got to jump on this, and 440 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 4: you know, I was like, I'm not ready, the movie's 441 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 4: not ready yet, but we still have to jump on 442 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 4: this because we might not get another opportunity. 443 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 3: So we did. And then leading up to it, it 444 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 3: was a mad rush to get the film finished and 445 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 3: scraping with every single kind of favors and anything we 446 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 3: could we get there, and. 447 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,719 Speaker 4: We get there without the film because they were still 448 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 4: working on the final mix so crazy, and they. 449 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 3: Were like, Okay, we're going to send it when we 450 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 3: when when we get there, when you get there. 451 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 4: And you'll have it for the day you're supposed to 452 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 4: be screening. And so I'm like, okay, cool, don't panic Ben. 453 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 3: The day we're screening it, we we get the movie 454 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 3: and something had gone wrong in the mix and there 455 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: were like chunks missing, and it was it was it 456 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 3: wasn't finished, and it was there was like something had. 457 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 4: Gone in the transfer or some kind of technical thing. 458 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 4: I don't know what, but it wasn't ready. And I 459 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 4: was just, oh, no, this is a catastrophe. There's people 460 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 4: showing up to a greening, there's all of this, all 461 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 4: of that, and and so we weren't able to actually 462 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 4: show it, and yeah, it was heartbreaking, but wow, you know, 463 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 4: but but it was I mean, it was fine. We 464 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 4: still we showed the trailer, we did a little Q 465 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 4: and A. We had a couple of the cast members 466 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 4: there and we kind of did whatever we could in 467 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 4: order to kind of salvage something. And then you know, 468 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 4: after that, after that we got home and then you know, 469 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 4: a couple of days later, the issue was sorted and 470 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 4: we had a finished we had a finished movie, so 471 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 4: it was like, you know, that was one of the biggest, 472 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 4: biggest things of one of my biggest kind of instances 473 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 4: of maybe biting off a bit more than I could cheer. 474 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 2: I love the story though, because like I didn't know 475 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: you were going to tell that story, and. 476 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: The podcast is about failing. 477 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: So I love it, be honest, No, I love it. 478 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 2: I really. 479 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: Is it as buzzy as it makes like, because. 480 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 2: From what I understand is Sunday is yeah, and it 481 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: kind of sets the tone for Hollywood for the next 482 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: like kind of like the tone of the year almost. 483 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 3: Is it that, yeah, kind of. 484 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 4: It's it's pretty, it's pretty important and it's pretty cool. 485 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 3: You know. 486 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 4: I'm not a huge fan of the Cold though, so yeah, 487 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 4: you're Bury California. 488 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 3: Now, but yeah, but anyway, regardless of that, No, it's 489 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 3: it's pretty. 490 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 4: The atmosphere when you're there is pretty awesome. You know, 491 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 4: everybody who's got a film there is it's it's very 492 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 4: kind of prestigious and it's very kind of you feel 493 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 4: the buzz, yeah, you know, you feel it, and it's 494 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 4: it's pretty awesome and it's pretty cool to be around. 495 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: Can I can. 496 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 2: I ask the difference because you're an actor, but you've 497 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 2: also produced directed. 498 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: How Like I feel like. 499 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,719 Speaker 2: Directors and actors kind of feel like they're kind of 500 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 2: cut from the same kind of cloth, whereas I think 501 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: producing feels like a This is me as a consumer 502 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: saying this, It feels like a different yat is kind 503 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: of worn. What would you say the differences are? And 504 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: I know, like acting as your passion and love, But 505 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 2: what do you like about directing? Because I imagine it's 506 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 2: a completely different experience. 507 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 3: It is a completely different experience. 508 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 4: But what I really like about directing is being able 509 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 4: to be there with actors. Yeah, that's the most. That's 510 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 4: the best part of it for me because it's I 511 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 4: was able to be able to actually be there with 512 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 4: an actor and go through an experience with them and 513 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 4: kind of see this scenes from a bird's eye view 514 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 4: and that kind of stuff. That's what I really enjoyed 515 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 4: most about acting, I mean directing, which made me realize 516 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 4: how much I actually love acting, because yeah, totally, because 517 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 4: you know, because that's where I would be all of 518 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 4: the time. And then as far as producing, you know, 519 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 4: it is a different hat and you know, there are 520 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 4: so many different elements when it comes to producing. But 521 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 4: luckily I don't really ever wear the two hats at once. 522 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: I don't reckon you could. 523 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 2: I feel like one is almost like left brain and 524 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: one's right brain. 525 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 3: I don't know how people. 526 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 4: Actually act in something they're directing. Oh yeah, to me, 527 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 4: it would be so hard. 528 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 529 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: I watched Birds of Prey for the first time with 530 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 2: Marta Robbie, and I think she had a huge role 531 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 2: in there, like I don't know if it was producing 532 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 2: credit or directing credit, but and she was the lead. 533 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, imagine that. 534 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: You have to almost, I don't know, to be like 535 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 2: it almost like a dream. 536 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 3: I think to produce. 537 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 4: I think to produce would be a little easier than 538 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 4: directing something you're acting in because when you're producing, you 539 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 4: can kind of you have part of your job is 540 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 4: to delegate and make sure every other person is doing 541 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 4: their job, and so you know, you can separate a 542 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 4: little bit. But with directing, you've got to be in 543 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 4: there in the moment. 544 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 3: Twice, if that makes sense. 545 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: So totally yeah, crazy but exciting. 546 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: And so I had an interview where you will someone 547 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: said what's your dream gig? 548 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 2: And you're like, wow, an action movie would be amazing. 549 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: Is that what the dream gig would be for you? 550 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 2: Or is it just more about you've spoken earlier about 551 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: kind of like the energy of the cast and the crew. 552 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: Is it more important to kind of like get that combo? 553 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 4: I think, I think, you know, there are so many, 554 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 4: you know, dream gigs out there. 555 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 3: It's it's kind of like, you know, it's trying to 556 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 3: kind of trying to say, like what is your favorite song? 557 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 4: Right, yeah, you hadn't You can't answer that question because 558 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 4: you have so many. But I think for me, it 559 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 4: always would change as to where I am currently in 560 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 4: my life as as a human first, you know, so 561 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 4: and what then whatever story would kind of resonate with 562 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 4: me at that time, that would make it the dream job. 563 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 3: You know. It wouldn't be you know, dependent on you know, 564 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 3: the size or the status of the movie or or 565 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 3: project or the paycheck or this that and the other. 566 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 3: Although those things are nice. 567 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 4: The most important thing is like the quality of the 568 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 4: story that's being told. And that doesn't mean necessarily. 569 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 3: That it has to be you know, extremely important for 570 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 3: the world. It just means it just has to be 571 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 3: good and synatic. 572 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 4: And synergistic and and you know, means something to me 573 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 4: at that at that moment, totally. 574 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: I love it. Now you're also a dad a five 575 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: year old. 576 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 2: I saw the bluey themed birthday birthday. 577 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 3: He loved bluey. He loves Bluey. It was it was 578 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 3: so cool. 579 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 2: How has being a father impacted you creatively as an 580 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 2: artist and actor? 581 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 3: I mean, being a father impacts me. 582 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 4: In so many ways and in every way that could 583 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 4: I could possibly imagine there's an impact from being a father, 584 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 4: but I think from impacting me as from an artist 585 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 4: and from a creative standpoint, it's actually helped a lot. 586 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 3: It's helped me, like go back to because he he plays, 587 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 3: you know, and he imagines and he comes and when 588 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 3: he's in those kinds of moments, whether he's you know, 589 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 3: a pirate that can scuba dive, there's a thing. 590 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 4: There's such a thing now, whether he's that, he really 591 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 4: believes it in that moment and he's right there in 592 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 4: that moment and he's so present with it. 593 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 3: And then when he asks me, he's like, dad, come on, now, 594 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 3: you've got to be here. It teaches me, oh my gosh, 595 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 3: I'm like in ten other different places. Yeah, And just 596 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 3: to take that kind of page out of his book 597 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,800 Speaker 3: and just be like boom right here in this moment. 598 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 3: And I am also a pirate that consumer dives. 599 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 1: The famous, saying. 600 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 2: Actors often don't like being on stage with kids or 601 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 2: animals because kids and animals are so present, so present, right. 602 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,959 Speaker 1: And it can show up the act. 603 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 3: It's we complicate ourselves so much by all of our 604 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 3: own books. Am I allowed to say, yes, go for good, 605 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 3: all of our own bullshit? And we over complicate and 606 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 3: muddy up things and we just we just make things 607 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 3: murky and buy our own crap. When being just like 608 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 3: present in that moment, there's nothing more amazing than that 609 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 3: and beautiful than that. 610 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 4: And that's one of the things that's really impacted me 611 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 4: because I get to see that every single day and. 612 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 3: Then I think he's not going to do anything. It's insane. Yeah, 613 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 3: it's insane because he he will not come out of 614 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 3: that moment, Yeah for anything. 615 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 4: His concentration is amazing because he's right there. What a gift, 616 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 4: A gift amazing it really is. 617 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 3: It really is so cool. 618 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 2: A fair view, like young aspiring actors will be listening 619 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 2: to this and students. 620 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: What advice would you have for people. 621 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 2: Beginning of their training or the beginning of their acting career. 622 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 4: It would have to be the first thing that was 623 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,280 Speaker 4: said to me when I first got here by Tom Draper, 624 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 4: my my coach, and he's. 625 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 3: Ice cream match. I love it. I love it right, 626 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 3: But we're in a pandemic. No one's coming to you. 627 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 3: Who is your target market? I'm so curious. 628 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 4: But anyway, yes, I think it would have to be 629 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 4: the advice that I've had and stuck to throughout my 630 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 4: entire career so far and will forever. 631 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 3: And it's a simple sentences. Always make it about the work. 632 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 633 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 4: Everything else will fall into place, but always make it 634 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 4: about the work. And I think from that it just 635 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 4: stems into if you have that mindset, you're constantly learning, 636 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 4: you're constantly wanting to get better, you're constantly growing as 637 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 4: a person and as an artist, and you don't get 638 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 4: caught up in the crap that we start to think 639 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 4: is so important. 640 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 3: Totally. 641 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 2: One of my teachers, because we've been obviously studying online 642 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 2: with the pandemic, and one of them is an Aussie 643 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 2: actor living in la called Cody Fern, and he will 644 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 2: drum into it is like, just do the work, get 645 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 2: out of your own way, do the work. And I 646 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 2: think one thing that a lot of people don't know 647 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 2: about actors is the worklot. 648 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,760 Speaker 1: Like people think, how do you remember lines? 649 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 2: That's often the most common thing that people will say, 650 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 2: And it's like, that's like the tip of the iceberg. 651 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 1: What about all. 652 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 3: The work the last thing, the last thing you think 653 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 3: about it? 654 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, the work ethic is at my school, they say, 655 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 2: you're treat like you're training for the Olympics. 656 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 3: Yeah. Works, Yeah, and it's it's it's hard though, you know, 657 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 3: because it's you're going after something that isn't tangible, Yeah, 658 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 3: you know, to go and you're you're kind of striving 659 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 3: or working for a moment that you can't control. 660 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 4: So I guess it is like training to run a 661 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 4: race or training for, you know, a boxing match, or 662 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,720 Speaker 4: training for something like that, because you're you're doing everything 663 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 4: that you can do to then step into an environment 664 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 4: that isn't yours. Yeah, but you can only do what 665 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 4: you can do in those moments, and so. 666 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 3: You have zero control of what's going to happen apart 667 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 3: from the work you've done. 668 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: M Yeah, I love it. 669 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 3: I love it. Do the work. I do the work. 670 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 3: That's all It is do the work and whatever that entails. 671 00:38:59,680 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 3: You know. 672 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 1: So my final question what is next for you? Ben? 673 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: What's next on there? 674 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 2: I know things probably feel like they're in a pause 675 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 2: or hiatus at the moment. 676 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 4: A little bit and this will end, you know, I've 677 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 4: got I've got a couple of things up the sleeves. 678 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 4: So I'm hoping that, yeah, we can start going back 679 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 4: to work safely sooner rather than later. 680 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 3: You know, hopefully things will start to calm down a 681 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 3: bit and we can kind of get a handle on 682 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 3: this so that so that we can all do things 683 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 3: again and get back to a new version of life. 684 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 4: And I think things are going to go back to 685 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 4: the way they were before, nor do I want them to. 686 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 4: I think this has been the perfect kind of thing 687 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 4: to birth a new kind of life and consciousness that 688 00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 4: we should all be striving for. 689 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 2: It feels like a reset, a huge shake up, but 690 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 2: a reset and rebirth. 691 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:05,720 Speaker 3: It does. 692 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,359 Speaker 4: And I think it's one hundred percent needed. Well it 693 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 4: was for me personally, it was really needed. 694 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 3: This. 695 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 4: It's just a stop shake up, man, who are you? 696 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,760 Speaker 4: What are you doing in your life? 697 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 3: Go do that? You know? 698 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes you so clear on your values, like 699 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 2: it's a really good kind of like it's almost like 700 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 2: it just shakes up your compass a little bit so 701 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 2: that you're back on there or you're on the in 702 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 2: it teach yoga and there's a word we call dharma, 703 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 2: and it's like damba is your purpose and so it's 704 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 2: to getting back on that, right, dharma. And yeah, yeah, 705 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 2: it's been such a and honor to have you on 706 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 2: and I've loved having load. 707 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 3: Having this was fun and if people. 708 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,479 Speaker 2: Want to see more of you, Mighty ocres out now. 709 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,720 Speaker 2: It's available on Apple is Apple? 710 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: What else? Amazon Prime? 711 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 4: Yes, Amazon Prime and Apple. I'm not sure what else 712 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 4: in Australia, but I think. 713 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: They're the two big ones. First, they are the. 714 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 4: Two big ones in Australia, and I know over here 715 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,959 Speaker 4: it's Google Play as well. 716 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely enjoy it and it does fill you up 717 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 2: with hope and positivity. It's a feel good and yeah, yes, 718 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 2: it confronts pain and uncomfortable situations that impact you for 719 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 2: the rest of your life, but it also gives you 720 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 2: a sense of hope and gives. 721 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,399 Speaker 3: You a sense of hope. And the movie is good 722 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 3: because it's it's it's also it's being exactly what it's 723 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,359 Speaker 3: supposed to be, and it's supposed to be a good 724 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 3: time for you and your family to sit down and 725 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 3: watch a movie and get some joy out of this time. 726 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 2: Totally Ben Milk, and it's been an absolute joy to 727 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,439 Speaker 2: have you on this pod. I cannot wait to see 728 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 2: more of your magic in the future. 729 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 3: Thank you so much as well, keep you posted. 730 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, 731 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 2: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation 732 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 2: on Instagram. 733 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,879 Speaker 1: I'm at Yamo Lollaberry. 734 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 2: This potty my word for podcast is available on all 735 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 2: streaming platforms. I'd love it if you could subscribe, rate 736 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 2: and comment and of course spread the love.