Speaker 1: Gid A, Peter Hell, are you here? Welcome to you
Speaker 1: ain't seen nothing yet the movie Podcast. We're ourtch out
Speaker 1: to a movie lover about a classic or beloved movie
Speaker 1: they haven't quite got around to watching until now. And
Speaker 1: today's guest radio superstar Will McMahon.
Speaker 2: All below. I want to stay here with you, the jobble,
Speaker 2: Why hate snake shucked?
Speaker 3: Why hail? It wouldn't be happening right now?
Speaker 4: You ain't seen nothing yew.
Speaker 1: Ozzie listeners will know our guest today, Will mcmahony. The
Speaker 1: Will in the Will and what are the Dynamic duo
Speaker 1: and it's been dominating Australian airways for over a decade.
Speaker 1: They're great mates. They started together over in Perth on
Speaker 1: radio over there and eventually found their way back home
Speaker 1: to Melbourne and through I think Fox Fem originally and
Speaker 1: then on to Kiss where they have absolutely dominated. Recently
Speaker 1: signed for another three years going through twenty twenty six,
Speaker 1: which it takes them over a decade on Draft Time Radio,
Speaker 1: which is a huge achievement coming from somebody who has
Speaker 1: had a couple of unsuccessful attempts at a similar time slot.
Speaker 5: It is a huge effort. I remember when they came along.
Speaker 1: Everyone was trying to find the new Hamish and Andy,
Speaker 1: and it was just radio producers. We're just putting two
Speaker 1: guys in studios together hoping for pay dirt. And there's
Speaker 1: always a little bit of cynicism about Okay, they're just
Speaker 1: looking for another Hamishandy, in the same way that when
Speaker 1: I Standy came along, as they're trying to find another
Speaker 1: American Russo and so. Will and Woody were part of
Speaker 1: that kind of landscape for a while, but then they
Speaker 1: rose to the top like the cream always does.
Speaker 5: Because they are genuinely great mates.
Speaker 1: They have extraordinary chemistry, They work hard, they are inventive,
Speaker 1: they're fund It's always I've always loved going into their
Speaker 1: studio to hang out with them. I do know Woody
Speaker 1: a bit more because I did I'm a celebrity, get
Speaker 1: me out of here with Woody, But I could see
Speaker 1: the love that he had for Will, and I can
Speaker 1: see when I go into their studio as well.
Speaker 5: Will is along with Woo You have appeared on.
Speaker 1: Ninja Warrior, the Australian version a celebrity apprentice. Will himself
Speaker 1: has been on the project quite a few times. He's
Speaker 1: also a massive ambassador for mental health, and he has
Speaker 1: spoken very openly and honestly, extremely broadly at times about
Speaker 1: his own struggles, and it is quite extraordinary to watch
Speaker 1: and to listen to we'll talk about his experiences in
Speaker 1: that field, both personally and with people around him. So
Speaker 1: absolutely culoss for Will for being such a open on
Speaker 1: that front. He is funny, he is clever, he is
Speaker 1: he's just about walking to the studio too. And I'm
Speaker 1: bloody started to be hanging with Will mcmont today.
Speaker 3: Hey, my name is Will McMahon. My favorite three films
Speaker 3: are on Sunday by Dennis villenerv.
Speaker 4: Excuisite monotrodicts you.
Speaker 6: My Billolette Shimpson din Cousin.
Speaker 3: So strictly Ballroom by Baz Lemon. I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Just give me a try and go home just one hour.
Speaker 3: This is very embarrassing.
Speaker 2: I just need a chance.
Speaker 3: You're gonna wake up tomorrow and feel like a real
Speaker 3: idiot about this.
Speaker 7: Do you want to dance your own steps or not?
Speaker 3: It's none of your business? Well do you look? A
Speaker 3: beginner has no right to approach an open ameter. Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: an open ameter has no right to dance non federation steps.
Speaker 3: But you did, didn't you?
Speaker 4: That's different?
Speaker 7: How is it different?
Speaker 3: You're just like the rest of them.
Speaker 7: You think it's different, but.
Speaker 8: You're not, because you're just you're just really scared.
Speaker 3: You're really scared to give someone you ago because you
Speaker 3: think you know they might just be better than you are. Well,
Speaker 3: you're just pathetic and you're gutless. You're a gutless wonder
Speaker 3: and hook, which I think is Spielberg.
Speaker 1: That ain't been a band.
Speaker 2: He's oh he's fat, not so fat to me, he's
Speaker 2: an all fat crap on man.
Speaker 1: He that is so dangerous.
Speaker 3: Now, okay, mischief, all right, show's over.
Speaker 1: Now you put that thing away and put it down
Speaker 1: before you poked somebody's eye out.
Speaker 3: You're not I don't have to shave. What are you doing?
Speaker 3: A stirl and flying around? This is an insurance nightmare?
Speaker 9: What is this?
Speaker 5: I'm for the Lord of the Fly pre school? Where
Speaker 5: your parents?
Speaker 3: Who's in charge here?
Speaker 4: No, no, mister skunkad with too much moose.
Speaker 3: You are just a punk kid. I want to speak
Speaker 3: to a grown up.
Speaker 8: All dronalds of pirates, excuse me, we killed pirates.
Speaker 4: I'm not a pirate, so happens? I am a lawyer.
Speaker 2: Kill the lawyer.
Speaker 5: I'm not that kind of.
Speaker 3: Lawyer, and I haven't sayensten chance.
Speaker 10: Thank you? Thanks?
Speaker 1: What can I get you? I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: For relaxing times, make it suntory time.
Speaker 10: I'll have a vodkatonic.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 10: So what are you doing here?
Speaker 11: A couple of things, taking a break from my wife
Speaker 11: forgetting my son's birthday, and get paid two million dollars
Speaker 11: to endorse a whiskey when I could be doing a
Speaker 11: play somewhere.
Speaker 4: But the good news is the whiskey works. What are
Speaker 4: you doing?
Speaker 10: My husband's a photographer, so he's here working and I
Speaker 10: wasn't doing anything. So I came along and we have
Speaker 10: some friends olive here.
Speaker 4: How long you've been married?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 4: Two years? Twenty five line ones. You're probably just having.
Speaker 10: A mid life crisis.
Speaker 4: Did you buy a Porsche yet? You know I was
Speaker 4: thinking about buying a Porsche.
Speaker 1: Fading movie star Bob Harris icon Bill Murray lands in
Speaker 1: Tokyo to shoot a whiskey commercial and he's immediately a
Speaker 1: fish out of water. The language barrier, the jet lag
Speaker 1: weed TV shows, even the hotel gym equipment is behaving strangely.
Speaker 1: Mid twenty Charlotte Scarlett Johansen is in town supporting her
Speaker 1: photographer husband John Giovanni Rabizi, and he's also feeling lost
Speaker 1: and discombobulated. Is it just a jet lag or a
Speaker 1: Bob and Charlotte experiencing their own personal angst. For large
Speaker 1: parts of the film, Bob and Charlotte feel trapped into
Speaker 1: Tokyo's park height, occasionally breaking out into the neo flooded
Speaker 1: streets of this famous, unique, and sometimes bizarre city. What
Speaker 1: happens next is open to interpretation. Is it a romance,
Speaker 1: a friendship or something deeper? Sophie a couple of sophomore
Speaker 1: film following her hit The Virgin's Suicides. It won Bill
Speaker 1: Murray his only oscar. Will McMahon, have you ever nearly
Speaker 1: been killed by a stepmaster?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 3: Maybe a treadmill stepmaster. You've got a bit more control. Yes, treadmill.
Speaker 3: I feel as if is right out of your head.
Speaker 1: Yes, sometimes I do occasion will try to test myself
Speaker 1: on the treadmill. But very yeah, very funny scene. Will Man,
Speaker 1: thank you very much for coming in to discuss this
Speaker 1: movie with me. How did we how did we arrive
Speaker 1: at Lost in Translation?
Speaker 3: You sent me a list. How literally do you want
Speaker 3: to get here? Like, well know, how much of a
Speaker 3: peek behind the curtain you want?
Speaker 1: So I do send?
Speaker 5: I do send a massive list of films that we
Speaker 5: haven't covered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I asked. I generally asked to choose a few.
Speaker 1: I think there was one request. I've been under the
Speaker 1: part of the moment because I'm in rehearsal of a
Speaker 1: play Pete on a starcatcher and did I did request?
Speaker 5: Could it not be like an epic?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Something not.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're you're a busy man yourself, so I
Speaker 5: was pretty confident you're.
Speaker 3: Trying to both a favor. Yes, yeah, yes, I'm going
Speaker 3: to be honest. I'm actually I'm in a bit of
Speaker 3: a I'm trying to do a deep dive on all
Speaker 3: the Hitchcock movies at the moment, So I really wanted
Speaker 3: to I haven't seen so I really wanted to vertigo. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because everything is like the best field, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: the kind of the best thrillers of all time that
Speaker 3: I just realize I hadn't seen them, So you're kind
Speaker 3: of going through them, and then my partner sem because
Speaker 3: you know, you get to a certain age where if
Speaker 3: you're watching something on TV. Genuinely, generally speaking, I think
Speaker 3: you have to make a compromise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, or one of you has to do the
Speaker 1: really sad.
Speaker 3: Thing and you know, gone watching on their laptop in
Speaker 3: their bedroom, and you know, general assumption is that they're
Speaker 3: probably wanking, and you don't want to be that guy.
Speaker 3: You know, like you don't want to be that guy.
Speaker 3: So I was like, you know what, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to tell you. I'm just going to go and watch
Speaker 3: better Go by myself. So I was like, no, no,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll compromise. And then yeah, I'm really glad
Speaker 3: that I did in the end, because I hadn't seen
Speaker 3: this and I don't know why. You know, just occasionally
Speaker 3: you get someone that just slipped through the cracks, and
Speaker 3: this was one of them, and thankfully it was for
Speaker 3: seeing my partner as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I did see this in the cinema. Oh cool,
Speaker 1: I envy and I yeah, I was very excited to
Speaker 1: do it. In fact, we were supposed to cover this
Speaker 1: a few years ago.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: The wonderful comedian Dan Connell. Yeah, had nominated Lost in
Speaker 1: Translation and I was very excited. Yeah, I watched a
Speaker 1: film for the.
Speaker 3: You know, you've seen it a few times.
Speaker 5: I've seen this film close to ten times.
Speaker 3: You're a couple of year, I imagine when you just
Speaker 3: told me what your favorite three films are and god
Speaker 3: Father one and two, So I imagine you're a severie
Speaker 3: couple of fan as well.
Speaker 1: I am. This is my favorite of her of her films,
Speaker 1: and I do, like I mean, Sophie a couple of
Speaker 1: It's so much behind the scenes stuff going on with
Speaker 1: this film. I think so much that so much.
Speaker 3: It was so good to watch for that reason, and.
Speaker 1: We'll definitely we'll definitely get onto that. But so I
Speaker 1: watched this film when it came out. Bill Murray was
Speaker 1: having a bit of a renaissance. I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: he rush More he had done rush Moore right right, right, right,
Speaker 1: So there was he fifty Was he fifty fifty two?
Speaker 3: Okay, as we were guessing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's seventeen the fact, Yeah, so's there's so many things.
Speaker 1: So so watch the film again. Yeah, side of the top,
Speaker 1: made all my notes, like I do, got all the
Speaker 1: clips up. We're in the studio with them.
Speaker 3: Are you watching this by yourself, by the way, or
Speaker 3: you know, watching Are you watching this with your partner,
Speaker 3: you know, are you compromising?
Speaker 6: There?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 1: I'll watch I take the TV the bridges. She likes
Speaker 1: to go to bed a bit earlier, so she's happy. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all pretty yeah, all good. So I watched it.
Speaker 1: We're in the studio talking to Dan and I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you know, you know Lost in Translation clips, and that's
Speaker 1: I'm saying it. And then he does his three favorite
Speaker 1: films and he does say I haven't seen Lost in Translation,
Speaker 1: but there's something about the way he says it.
Speaker 3: I'most like.
Speaker 5: And I started doing the review of it, and then
Speaker 5: I can see his face and then he has I
Speaker 5: think I.
Speaker 1: Watched the wrong film. He Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
Speaker 12: What I know?
Speaker 3: I know what got lost in translation? There?
Speaker 1: Something certainly got lost in translations.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I kind of was he just like Big Metro, Big Metropolis?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 10: Was that?
Speaker 3: Was that the salient feature in the films.
Speaker 1: Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas? Lost in Translations?
Speaker 3: Are there any similar actors or anything?
Speaker 4: No, Well.
Speaker 1: It's Johnny deppit Fear and Loaded.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: So we had to kind of I had seen fear
Speaker 1: and Loathing in Las Vegas, but not to a I
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have covered it on this podcast, but it
Speaker 1: was it was actually, it was a fun it was
Speaker 1: a fun app So when you did nominate losson Translation one,
Speaker 1: it's got a pretty good running time, and.
Speaker 3: So I think it's ayah, it's not an epic.
Speaker 5: It's it's not an epic. I was already pretty familiar
Speaker 5: with it.
Speaker 1: I knew and because I prepped for it before, I
Speaker 1: was very excited for you to do it, and I'm
Speaker 1: excited to get into talking about So let's talk about
Speaker 1: your three other favorite films or your three favorite films.
Speaker 1: You're telling me off.
Speaker 5: This was a hard task, really really hard.
Speaker 3: I was actually I've actually I got to the point
Speaker 3: where I was asking other people what are my favorite movies,
Speaker 3: because I think I've just seen a lot of films,
Speaker 3: and I'm very passionate about a lot of films, and
Speaker 3: I got to the point where I just I don't
Speaker 3: think it's a not touch on your part. I don't
Speaker 3: think it's a fair question. I'm not here to critique,
Speaker 3: you know, critique you made. But it was tough.
Speaker 1: The most ironic guest I've had was Zan Roe, who
Speaker 1: I don't think made a similar comment. It's like you
Speaker 1: do a show called Top five.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, famously does to take five? Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So hang on calling the kettle black listen and
Speaker 1: it does mine have reasonably definitive top three godfather, Yeah
Speaker 1: you said one. It's a bit of cheek. I do
Speaker 1: one and two at the same time, playing Change and
Speaker 1: Hounobiles sideways. It hasn't changed for years. Yeah, but I understand. Also,
Speaker 1: I would actually what I might actually do for my
Speaker 1: podcast is do my actual top ten, because I'm that curious. Okay,
Speaker 1: what is at four?
Speaker 3: Is Star Wars exactly? Yeahs.
Speaker 1: Some translation may even be like I'm I actually fascinated
Speaker 1: because I've just kind of stopped it at three.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What is my favorite Paul Thomas Anderson film? Is it Magnoledge?
Speaker 1: Is it construct? So when you start kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: getting a bit further out, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: That's when it starts getting interesting as well. So I
Speaker 3: because once you get from four till you know, I
Speaker 3: told you I've got I managed to do a three.
Speaker 3: But there's a rotating bench of eight people. It's like
Speaker 3: football in the early naughties, you know, just a massive
Speaker 3: bench and I was kind of looking and I So
Speaker 3: what I ended up doing was I changed the question
Speaker 3: slightly to what films influenced me the most, Like what
Speaker 3: movie did I watch? And I loved obviously, but I
Speaker 3: was like, ah, because making movies is something that I
Speaker 3: always want to do. It's always something I wanted to do.
Speaker 3: I just I don't know, from the moment that I
Speaker 3: started watching films, I was just like, I just love
Speaker 3: making stories and telling stories, and that's just somewhere that
Speaker 3: I've kind of always vision myself going someday I will
Speaker 3: I will go there, and so I don't know I
Speaker 3: had that, I had that preconception really early on I reckon,
Speaker 3: like twelve I reckon, I had that idea. I was
Speaker 3: in the I was in the cinemas, and I just
Speaker 3: had this moment where I was like, this is the
Speaker 3: this is the coolest thing ever. I just remember thinking that,
Speaker 3: I remember seeing it all and just being there and
Speaker 3: just the scope and the size, and I've always had
Speaker 3: a crazy imagination, so it just it kind of like
Speaker 3: was the only thing that fulfilled my imagination was stories
Speaker 3: and then that level of stories. So as a result,
Speaker 3: every movie I kind of watch from there. Always it
Speaker 3: was always kind of through this lens of like changing
Speaker 3: what sort of movie I thought I could make and
Speaker 3: influencing that all the way through. So my favorite movie
Speaker 3: often became someone who, you know, kind of like blew
Speaker 3: everything over all over again and just like just reset
Speaker 3: everything for me, and we're like, whoa you could do that?
Speaker 3: So that kind of is what influence my top three.
Speaker 3: So I said, UNDI, which is I've not seen Okay,
Speaker 3: So that's that's Denis phellen nerves first film. I mean yeah,
Speaker 3: in terms of like reset for me like that. The
Speaker 3: reason that is that that every time someone goes, what's
Speaker 3: you favorite film, that that completely bowled me over. Like
Speaker 3: I was watching it with my girlfriend at the time.
Speaker 3: It's it's a. It's his first movie. I think it's A.
Speaker 3: It's in French and it's a Basically it's about a
Speaker 3: kind of like the hang up of the North African Wars.
Speaker 3: It's really fall on like I've got a stress. But
Speaker 3: I finished it, and to be honest, I didn't. She
Speaker 3: she hated it, Like there's there's no doubt she hated it.
Speaker 3: She didn't really like movies. I sound like an awful partner,
Speaker 3: but I was like, look, I really want to watch this.
Speaker 3: We sat down and we watched it, and I remember
Speaker 3: finishing it and we couldn't talk, Like the ending was
Speaker 3: so intense that we like I remember getting up and
Speaker 3: going to I was like, I need to go and
Speaker 3: just get out of this room and just get away
Speaker 3: from this because it didn't see it coming. And I'm
Speaker 3: not spoiling anything by saying there's this really cryptic line
Speaker 3: at the end where this woman just says one plus
Speaker 3: one equals too, right, and then that's all you need
Speaker 3: to know, and that says nothing about the plot. I
Speaker 3: haven't spoiled anything, but there's that moment. It was such
Speaker 3: a simple bit, and I remember just thinking everything about
Speaker 3: like this whole movie has taken me all the way
Speaker 3: over here, and it's all dennis VILLEINRV. You know, it's
Speaker 3: like bow landscapes and darkness, and you know, it's all
Speaker 3: just it's all him. And then I just thought it
Speaker 3: was so clever, his entire narrative in this foreign land.
Speaker 3: And then it came down to this like one question
Speaker 3: that this person asked another person, and it just blew
Speaker 3: my mind and at the same time, like hurt me
Speaker 3: like it was. It was so painful, and yeah, that
Speaker 3: just kind of blew It really did kind of reshape
Speaker 3: how I thought about how impactful a movie could be
Speaker 3: on a person. It was almost like I had an
Speaker 3: argument with myself.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, And it's amazing that you had such a reaction,
Speaker 1: because because I will go see movies by myself quite often.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because sometimes it's it's a last minute decision.
Speaker 1: You know, I've done enough work or there's enough work
Speaker 1: on this week that I can take this morning off,
Speaker 1: or you know, I'm going to write this afternoon or
Speaker 1: I've written this morning. Soe movie. Yeah, so, and I can't.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: I don't dislike singing with other people, but there is
Speaker 1: a pressure that comes with having somebody sit next to you.
Speaker 3: Particularly as you said, you're yeah, I didn't want to
Speaker 3: watch it.
Speaker 1: Do you want to watch it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And you've you've gone that with watching it and you
Speaker 5: had this like immense reaction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. Yeah, it was exactly.
Speaker 3: And we broke up shortly after that. And I actually
Speaker 3: don't think that's a coincidence. I'm gonna be honest that
Speaker 3: that that Yeah, so number one.
Speaker 1: That's number one. And then and then you strictly yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, this I mean in terms of like it
Speaker 1: sounds almos a polar opposite.
Speaker 3: I know, right, I know, and do this. I kind
Speaker 3: of did it deliberately. I'm gonna be honest, peek, like
Speaker 3: I have curated these a little bit. I did kind
Speaker 3: of want to give it a bit of a spread.
Speaker 3: We lived in Berlin for six months as a family
Speaker 3: when we were kids. My dad was working over there,
Speaker 3: and I have three two buzzs and a sister, and
Speaker 3: we had one TV and then we had like there
Speaker 3: was like one hundred German movies. We were saying in
Speaker 3: some woman's house, and then there was strictly ballroom. Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know how or why, Like I lived in Australia, right,
Speaker 3: Like I should have seen this in Australia, but it
Speaker 3: was all we had, and I reckon we saw that
Speaker 3: forty times, you know, because it was all we could watch.
Speaker 3: You know, there was no streaming or anything, so you know,
Speaker 3: we would put it on. And my little brothers were
Speaker 3: quite young, and when of them was five at that age,
Speaker 3: and he loved it, and we just kept watching it
Speaker 3: and watching and watching it, and I just, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I feel so in love with that movie. I don't
Speaker 3: know why. I just again, in terms of me on
Speaker 3: like a trajectory of making movies, I think the moment
Speaker 3: that I heard the Australian accents, I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, what they made this in Australia. And I
Speaker 3: was just kind of I just I just thought that
Speaker 3: was so cool because everything else that I've seen that
Speaker 3: had been made in Australia was like what play school?
Speaker 3: You know, like I hadn't really seen any I hadn't
Speaker 3: seen an Australian production of any weight. I might have
Speaker 3: been watching The Castle when Dad was watching the Castle,
Speaker 3: you know, like, but I hadn't seen anything. And then
Speaker 3: I saw that and I was like, Oh, this is
Speaker 3: this is this kind of story I want to tell.
Speaker 3: And I was kind of obsessed with musical theater at
Speaker 3: that stage, so it was it was the first movie
Speaker 3: that I'd seen where somebody had managed to make a
Speaker 3: musical into a movie. And not necessarily they're not singing obviously,
Speaker 3: but in terms of like the production, it's such it
Speaker 3: is a musical. It's it's like it's a stage show
Speaker 3: on a on on screen you know these like cut
Speaker 3: to these dramatic shots sweeping cameras. You know, they danced
Speaker 3: a time after time on a rooftop around a hills hoist.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just like you can almost see the
Speaker 3: set and that is that and I you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: I love it. I really I didn't love I loved
Speaker 3: Moulin Rouge as well, but that movie and it's it
Speaker 3: struck my favorite genre as well. Was it made me
Speaker 3: laugh and it made me cry, which if you can
Speaker 3: get that, how can you're doing?
Speaker 1: And I think when you see a movie in a
Speaker 1: particular it almost is that represents a time in your
Speaker 1: life as well, exactly. I mean I remember seeing actually
Speaker 1: Haymis McDonald who was on this podcast, had a similar
Speaker 1: thing when he was you know, I think working for
Speaker 1: El Jazeera or somewhere stationed overseas and saw Somersault right
Speaker 1: and recognized the Cracker, yeah, and recognized places that you know,
Speaker 1: from where he lived, and this meant a lot to him.
Speaker 1: I was overseas. It's not on the strained film, but yeah,
Speaker 1: me watching Four Weddings in the Funeral in Glasgow, I
Speaker 1: was having by myself and obviously it's on the strained film,
Speaker 1: but it spoke a lot about friends and it just hit.
Speaker 3: Me so hard.
Speaker 5: I just remember crying in the cinema. And it wasn't
Speaker 5: necessarily just about.
Speaker 3: The film that I was watching, the situation that I
Speaker 3: love it.
Speaker 5: When movies do become intrinsically linked to a.
Speaker 3: Moment in your life one hundred percent. And I mean
Speaker 3: the other thing i'd say about strictly boor, I know,
Speaker 3: it's it's almost like, I mean, it is a comedy
Speaker 3: in it, but it gets laughed at into these days
Speaker 3: I feel is I loved that it dared.
Speaker 4: To do.
Speaker 3: I loved how daring its pathos was. It was, you know,
Speaker 3: he's like sliding in on his knees at the end.
Speaker 3: It was just so bold. I don't know, it was
Speaker 3: just slap you in the face, just like, yeah, you
Speaker 3: know what, we have got a guy swooning over a
Speaker 3: girl and they're going to dance a passa double at
Speaker 3: the end, And it was just I just loved that.
Speaker 3: I didn't it wasn't trying to be too nuanced.
Speaker 1: No, And you know, and then also Mark the arrival,
Speaker 1: let's face it of perhaps our greatest yeah director, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean George Miller's obviously in that conversation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, many directors. Sorry, I'm just blanking on all
Speaker 5: of them now.
Speaker 3: Every director, directors like George H.
Speaker 1: Peter, We're friends. There are so many.
Speaker 3: He really has made his mark into even defined a genre.
Speaker 1: Let's face it, he built one. And then he's like
Speaker 1: an appointment to view kind of directed bas Leman film
Speaker 1: comes out. Yeah, and he's polarizing, not every one, but
Speaker 1: I thought Elvis was extraordinary the.
Speaker 3: Same I loved it. I absolutely loved it, but for
Speaker 3: the same reasons. I felt like I was watching a
Speaker 3: really well done musical on screen. And again, he just
Speaker 3: doesn't like the best part of that Elvis movie I
Speaker 3: thought was obviously that that show that he does, that
Speaker 3: live show on TV, that that that was just so good.
Speaker 3: And again it was just like it's just hard in
Speaker 3: his sleeve cinema. Yeah, you know, it's like, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm just going to give it all to you. I
Speaker 3: don't I'm a gonna worry about like nuancing and you
Speaker 3: know what sort of angles were using. It's just like, no,
Speaker 3: he's fucking front and center. There's a huge sign behind him.
Speaker 3: He's wearing his heart in his sleeve and he's dying
Speaker 3: for America and yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it as well.
Speaker 5: I was very excited that you mentioned hook yeah up
Speaker 5: a couple.
Speaker 3: Of times kidding in other people's top Mark.
Speaker 5: Humphrey has had the end, and pretty honest, I hadn't
Speaker 5: seen it.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: So this is not one that lives in marble, but
Speaker 1: I've seen it since, partly because my company suggested it,
Speaker 1: but also I'm also excited from a self interest a
Speaker 1: little bit because I am currently in rehearsals doing Peter
Speaker 1: and a Star catch Peter Pan origin story.
Speaker 3: You've now mentioned that twice.
Speaker 1: Reach thank you well, you gave you a perfect hook
Speaker 1: into it. To be honest, it really sat up for you,
Speaker 1: didn't it. Really, I'm playing me, are you actually? So
Speaker 1: I've got to gone back and watch some of the
Speaker 1: hook and so, yeah, the world is kind of I
Speaker 1: understand the world a bit more now because everyone knows
Speaker 1: Peter Pan.
Speaker 5: But it's it's been nice to kind of delve into,
Speaker 5: you know, a bit more of.
Speaker 3: What it is.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, Dustin Hoffman, Robin Williams, obviously, Spielberg's
Speaker 1: Julia Robert.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Pretty it's a magical movie.
Speaker 3: It's magical, it was, I mean to I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's blasphed me to talk about another movie podcast.
Speaker 3: In a movie podcast, The Rewatchables did a great I
Speaker 3: don't know if you listened to the one they did
Speaker 3: on Missus Doubtfire, but it was they kind of went
Speaker 3: back through the Robin Williams kind of like Era and
Speaker 3: he's got this. He kind of lines up about, oh,
Speaker 3: there's there's three or four great films in a row
Speaker 3: there that that that are almost worth mentioning, and then
Speaker 3: he does Hook and I don't know they they canned it,
Speaker 3: and I think and it got canned at the time,
Speaker 3: it really did because I.
Speaker 5: Think it's somebody else's I think this is the third
Speaker 5: time Hook has come up.
Speaker 1: I am going to I'm working on also going back
Speaker 1: over the episodes and working out how many times what
Speaker 1: is the most popular movie that's been nominated movies? So
Speaker 1: I think Princess Brian is probably in the lead. Oh really, yeah,
Speaker 1: shp Hook come up? Let's say three times. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: part of me that was surprised because I don't remember
Speaker 1: it being a hit or I don't remember that's.
Speaker 3: What they were saying yeah, and it was obviously I
Speaker 3: was too young to know that. I'm just looking at
Speaker 3: it now. It's kind of in So he does this
Speaker 3: really weird string of movies where you know, he has
Speaker 3: a Dead Pot Society, which is you know, kind of
Speaker 3: like puts him on the map into well, sorry, good
Speaker 3: morning Vietnam is before that, which like really it's just like, wow,
Speaker 3: here's this guy does Dead Pot's side. It's like, holy shit,
Speaker 3: the guy's got range. And then he does he does
Speaker 3: a couple of weird ones. He does the Fisher King
Speaker 3: and Awakenings, which he's in and around that, and then
Speaker 3: Hook Aladdin misses Doubt Fire and it's like wow, okay,
Speaker 3: so it's kind of in his real golden era of
Speaker 3: you know, this guy's easily the biggest screen star in
Speaker 3: the world. I was just so obsessed with Peter Pan
Speaker 3: growing up, just the idea of a kid that doesn't
Speaker 3: have to grow up for lots of reasons. I just
Speaker 3: loved that. It just kind of really sung to me.
Speaker 3: And then to see my favorite actor playing the guy
Speaker 3: that I loved so much was just everything to me.
Speaker 3: We did a podcast about this little while ago, about
Speaker 3: in a Child and the narrative. I think just really
Speaker 3: spoke to me and about this this guy who gets
Speaker 3: lost ironically, you know, he's a lawyer and he has
Speaker 3: got he's got no connection to his kids. You know,
Speaker 3: there's that scene in the plane at the start where
Speaker 3: his kid's throwing the ball against the back of his head,
Speaker 3: and I don't know if it reminded me of like
Speaker 3: relationships with my parents, so what, I'm sure it reminded
Speaker 3: a lot of people with relationships with their parents. Where
Speaker 3: I was annoying. I was an annoying kid, like I
Speaker 3: liked fiddling with things. I liked annoying things. And then
Speaker 3: he goes away, and you know, the way that he
Speaker 3: reconnects to his children is he has to find the
Speaker 3: kid in himself. And that as a message was just
Speaker 3: I just thought that was so beautiful. And again I
Speaker 3: didn't obviously wasn't cognizant of this at the time, and
Speaker 3: I was watching it as ten. I was like, Wow,
Speaker 3: great in a child narrative therapy, guys, And I rewatched
Speaker 3: it recently because I was going to watch it with
Speaker 3: my daughter, and I was like, there's there's a genuine
Speaker 3: suicide bit in this movie where where Dustin Hoffman's holding
Speaker 3: a gun to his head as hook and he's like, dog,
Speaker 3: make me do it, Smith, Smith, stop me, Smith, somebody
Speaker 3: stop me, stop me, and you know, in high and
Speaker 3: then Smee just grabs the gun, which fires off in
Speaker 3: the cabin while the kids are doing their homework in
Speaker 3: the background. So they really like, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: adultified what was my childhood movie. But I obviously didn't
Speaker 3: realize that at the time.
Speaker 5: But there's always been darkness, you know, like in those.
Speaker 3: So dark and even his i mean his story Barry,
Speaker 3: what's his name, James Barry, Yeah, the guy who wrote it.
Speaker 3: It's all comes from quite a dark place. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: you know, and I think that's kind of what it
Speaker 3: captured me about it. And looking back through my other
Speaker 3: movies strictly bore Room, maybe not so much Unsandy, but
Speaker 3: some of the other ones that are on the bench,
Speaker 3: I think that being able to play I'm a huge
Speaker 3: fantasy fan, so being able to put me in a
Speaker 3: place which is pure imagination, I've just always been so
Speaker 3: impressed by and always aspired to, you know, just and
Speaker 3: everything about that movie, Like he's playing baseball on a
Speaker 3: pirate ship, you know, like how fun is that. It
Speaker 3: was just the way they did the Pirate Ship as well.
Speaker 3: It wasn't just like, oh, you know, we're limited to
Speaker 3: you know, just the just the timber and and the
Speaker 3: you know, washing the deck and you know, scrubbing the
Speaker 3: deck and all that sort of shit. It was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: there's baseball out here. We're polishing hooks out here.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Like it was just this the scope of the fantasy
Speaker 3: and the and the way that the Lost Boys fought
Speaker 3: they made it. They didn't do it with bows and
Speaker 3: arrows and stuff. They did it with gum balls and
Speaker 3: you know, like cannonballs and throwing food. And I think
Speaker 3: that that movie in terms of like realizing something and imagination,
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what Spielberg's always been about, right. That
Speaker 3: was just blew my mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really enjoyed watching it. Yeah, and two tickets
Speaker 1: for Peter on the Starcatcher for you coming up. You've
Speaker 1: even said things in the last couple of minutes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that he like explains some things that I haven't kind
Speaker 1: of understood about the play in a way. There is
Speaker 1: like a fight scene, yeah, and everyone's just kind of
Speaker 1: grabbing objects they're finding with objects and like it's you know,
Speaker 1: to the point where it's been a part of me.
Speaker 1: That's kind of why don't they have swords? One of these.
Speaker 3: Parts have yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yes, Well that's probably
Speaker 3: you know, it's a kid's imagination. Yeah, so they're in
Speaker 3: this playworld not to bang on. I mean, I could
Speaker 3: talk about hook forever, but that food fight scene as well.
Speaker 3: I just loved the idea. And like in hindsight, again
Speaker 3: maybe it was just because I felt too much pressure
Speaker 3: growing up, but like you had this guy who was
Speaker 3: really successful, and the way out of him, the trap
Speaker 3: that he built for himself, was to fuck around with
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of kids. It was just so beautiful
Speaker 3: and there were so many cool, really poignant moments in
Speaker 3: that movie. When he has the coconut thrown at him
Speaker 3: and he slices through it, when he has his hat,
Speaker 3: he thought, and it's having a kid. And weirdly, this
Speaker 3: is going to sound really cheesy, but when I had
Speaker 3: my daughter, like Peter's happy thought when when he flies again,
Speaker 3: Robin rob Williams happy thought when he flies again is
Speaker 3: that he became a daddy, Right, that's his happy thought
Speaker 3: to get him flying again, and he forgot that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because he got caught up in being a dad and
Speaker 3: he forgot how happy he was to have kids again.
Speaker 3: And it's funny. I remember when Max was born, when
Speaker 3: my daughter was born, I had this like weirdly, I
Speaker 3: was thinking about hook. I was like, I'm a daddy,
Speaker 3: like and this was Peter's happy thought, and I was like,
Speaker 3: this will be my happy thought now, like this has
Speaker 3: to be my happy thought. This is so beautiful.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. Yeah, that's incredible. Great three movies there. Let's
Speaker 1: get into this one.
Speaker 6: So table toy sant kanjo come, yes a sku. I said,
Speaker 6: what I'm gonna boggie Ernie do come by some time?
Speaker 7: He wanted to turn looking camera.
Speaker 13: Okay, that's all he said, Yes, turned to camera, all right,
Speaker 13: does you want me to to turn from the right
Speaker 13: or turn.
Speaker 7: Surday and camera discute? Jig?
Speaker 4: What was that?
Speaker 3: A more hacker?
Speaker 4: I had a motation.
Speaker 6: I get there comera come passion camera many.
Speaker 7: Question with the intensity? Okay?
Speaker 4: Is that everything? I mean? It seemed like you said
Speaker 4: quite a bit more than that.
Speaker 1: From two thousand and three erected but a great so
Speaker 1: for your Coppola starring Bill Murray's Scolllet, Yo Hansen wilming Man.
Speaker 5: Do you enjoy Lost in translation?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I loved it. I mean I didn't. I gotta.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest. I found the first half half
Speaker 3: an hour.
Speaker 1: Hard, right, Yeah, Yeah, I did. Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 3: I'm a big I'm a big character development guy. I've
Speaker 3: got to see I've got to start seeing some movement there.
Speaker 3: And there was a lot of setting the scene. There
Speaker 3: was a lot of you know, like you've got a
Speaker 3: really good idea of who they were before they were
Speaker 3: brought into each other's worlds.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's half an hour, which you know, there's the
Speaker 1: first I guess, you know, inciting incident. I guess is
Speaker 1: Bill Murray and Scout at your hands and meeting in
Speaker 1: the bar with the earlier that almost happens bang on
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, which is you know, the save Save the
Speaker 1: Cat fans will know, ye, yeah, thirty minutes in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I think if Bill Murray's not Bill Murray's so watchable,
Speaker 1: and those I really like that of their master and
Speaker 1: the feeling of what it's like to the discombobulation you
Speaker 1: feel when you arrive in the jet lag and this
Speaker 1: this city.
Speaker 5: We should actually have you been in Tokyo.
Speaker 3: I have, yeah, so I think I actually said to
Speaker 3: you hilariously, I've been in the bar where it's all
Speaker 3: films right in there in the Parkayat, because when I
Speaker 3: was there, a friend of mine was like, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: let's go to this joint. You know what's had one
Speaker 3: drink because I think it's like three hundred dollars cocktail
Speaker 3: these days. Yeah, you know, it's where Lost in Translation
Speaker 3: was filmed. And I didn't admit to them the time
Speaker 3: that I hadn't seen Lost in Translation because that was
Speaker 3: like I was like, oh cool, and here look over there.
Speaker 3: And then as I was watching the movie, I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I've been there. So it was pretty
Speaker 3: funny watching it and knowing that i'd been there.
Speaker 1: I've been there twice. I went there the same year,
Speaker 1: the year that The Last Jedi came out, because I
Speaker 1: went there with my family for a holiday Japan for
Speaker 1: a few weeks, and then went back later that year
Speaker 1: to interview Mark Hamill Walker himself on a junket for
Speaker 1: the project. So it was just a lovely little surprise.
Speaker 1: I could go for another extra few days and and
Speaker 1: I love Tokyo and I think it's the perfect city.
Speaker 1: So for a couple of I think has worked in
Speaker 1: Tokyo a lot. I think she does some fashion stuff
Speaker 1: through the Japanese label, So I think there's a love
Speaker 1: and an understanding of the culture there is, like some
Speaker 1: people who you know, and some Japanese people who some
Speaker 1: critics who maybe thought it wasn't as sympathetic towards Japanese
Speaker 1: or it's a bit stereotypical, possibly even racist.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I'm not completely you know, I mean, everyone's of course,
Speaker 1: you know, if that's how you feel, that's that, that's
Speaker 1: how you feel. But I do think they are trying
Speaker 1: to capture Tokyo through the lens of two Americans.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so it is an Americans view of Tokyo
Speaker 5: landing and you.
Speaker 3: Trying to make it an authentic I mean that. In fact,
Speaker 3: if anything, she's at pains to point out that it's
Speaker 3: not from the Japanese point of view.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, that's the whole bit, right, exactly, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's and you know what.
Speaker 5: It's like when you land in the city.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Tokyo's Tokyo is comfortably the biggest culture shock
Speaker 3: I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 1: It's crazy and like.
Speaker 3: Comfortably I remember, and I've traveled a lot, and I
Speaker 3: remember getting there and being like, holy shit, I may
Speaker 3: as well be on Mars because the first thing, and
Speaker 3: even more so than Shanghai, Like I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I feel like Shanghai maybe slightly was a little bit
Speaker 3: easier to figure out it was it was, And I
Speaker 3: think they did this well in the movie that it
Speaker 3: was almost the lights and the colors. I had no
Speaker 3: idea where I was, and I had no idea to
Speaker 3: get anywhere, and no one spoke English. Yeah, so you're
Speaker 3: just and then you just got lights and buzzers and
Speaker 3: fucking vending machines and shit gone off, And yes I was.
Speaker 3: I was rattled. It's yeah, rattled.
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes I arrive in a city and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm only there for like less than a day,
Speaker 1: and I'm like a bit disappointed in this, like because
Speaker 1: you're not comfortable in it. You know, even sometimes on
Speaker 1: the way from the airport to that you kind of forget,
Speaker 1: like if you you know, I love you, I'm a
Speaker 1: Melbourney and I love my hometown. But if you drive
Speaker 1: from Melbourne airport to the city it's a it's a
Speaker 1: very unimpressive drive, so you're gonna be going, what the
Speaker 1: fuck what do I come here for? And I still
Speaker 1: fall for that trap every time I travel.
Speaker 5: I really, this is Paris.
Speaker 3: And it's the worst snapshot you can possibly Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: got nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: No, No, you're not.
Speaker 5: You're traveling this one other time when you go back
Speaker 5: to the airport.
Speaker 3: Yes, but I where's Tokyo. You're in it. You're you're
Speaker 3: like having a Tokyo bath the moment you get off
Speaker 3: the plane till the moment you leave.
Speaker 1: It's so it's so one thing, and it's it's it's
Speaker 1: there's this like duality of Tokyo that there is everyone's
Speaker 1: so polite and respe backfall and like the trains are
Speaker 1: really quiet, nobody really even talks on the trains. But
Speaker 1: then there's this other side of Takeyo that but there's
Speaker 1: a there's a scene where Scale hands and Charlotte is
Speaker 1: looking over the shoulder of a bloke and he's got
Speaker 1: his I think on the newspaper, but on the inside
Speaker 1: he's pornographic run. And that is, no doubt a comment
Speaker 1: on Japanese society. There is because there's so kind of.
Speaker 3: Maybe the word that's exactly what it is. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: exactly what it is. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then there's there's another side of it, like they
Speaker 1: in Japanese culture, they will workers will you know, you're
Speaker 1: very respectful to you, to your boss at work, but
Speaker 1: then they'll all go out and drink.
Speaker 5: A lot that's right after work and it's just like
Speaker 5: you know, you know, that's when you say let it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's actually so like the the Japanese so
Speaker 3: like I think a lot of cultures are run on
Speaker 3: a shame model, whereas Western cultures running a guilt model.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So shame is you know, you don't want to publicly
Speaker 3: ever say out loud what's going on, and if you
Speaker 3: have to do that, then you know, if you go
Speaker 3: back to samurai time, you would rather kill yourself than
Speaker 3: do that, because shame is right. In the Western culture,
Speaker 3: we'll hold onto it, we'll just burn from the inside out,
Speaker 3: you know, and we're happy to do that in our
Speaker 3: own time, and we all do that, which is hilarious,
Speaker 3: whereas over there everything is repressed because you don't lie,
Speaker 3: you have to be honest, and you know, if you're honest,
Speaker 3: then you know, you may as well kill yourself, as
Speaker 3: I said. So I find it interesting that I read
Speaker 3: an article a little while ago just on that shame
Speaker 3: idea that after the Oscaca earthquakes, there was like one
Speaker 3: in five people in Japan, one in five people in
Speaker 3: Japan admitted to actually planning to kill their boss because
Speaker 3: and this, and there's just a reflection of what had
Speaker 3: happened the Oscaca earthquakes happened. There was you know, like
Speaker 3: huge rips in the road, people's families, people's houses literally
Speaker 3: just got subsumed by the earth earth and their boss
Speaker 3: would call them and be like they call their boss
Speaker 3: and be like, hey, I can't get to work earthquake,
Speaker 3: and their boss would be like you're do at nine, Wow,
Speaker 3: I'll see you soon. And so you're right, it's repressed.
Speaker 3: But I think what the movie did really well is
Speaker 3: it commented on that. But this is something that I
Speaker 3: would love to talk to you about because it happened
Speaker 3: a number of times whereby there were people laughing in
Speaker 3: the background. Yes of these shots, Yes, so they were
Speaker 3: clearly were they just did she I don't know if
Speaker 3: you've done any research of this. Was she just walking
Speaker 3: up to people going like, Hey, we're going to do
Speaker 3: a scene where Bill Murray is going to ask this
Speaker 3: guy over here what that contraption is, and can you
Speaker 3: guys just keep sitting there and listen.
Speaker 1: They shot this in twenty seven days and it was
Speaker 1: a gorilla style shoot. They got a suit around the
Speaker 1: hotel in the am like so basically, so they had
Speaker 1: not a lot of access on the streets. They had
Speaker 1: no permits, so they were just grabbing shots when they could.
Speaker 1: So one of the things you probably talking about is
Speaker 1: in the hospital waiting room when there's two women in
Speaker 1: the background, he's.
Speaker 3: Tossing himself somebody and they are just losing and.
Speaker 1: You can tell that they know they're not probably supposed
Speaker 1: to be laughing.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a point where one of them sits and
Speaker 3: goes to the others. She's like, come on, get it together.
Speaker 3: We are on camera. And I loved that.
Speaker 1: I loved it so much.
Speaker 3: I loved it. And then I think, you know, to
Speaker 3: your point about you know, the movie being racist or
Speaker 3: whatever like that, they're laughing about how ridiculous it is,
Speaker 3: but it's not. And even that grab you plaid before
Speaker 3: with that director and the advertisement, you can see a
Speaker 3: guy in the background absolutely pissing himself. Yes, while all
Speaker 3: of this is going on. So it's I don't know,
Speaker 3: I feel as if that for me was almost like
Speaker 3: the saving grace without letting it mock Japanese people because
Speaker 3: they were in on the joke. Yeah, like this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I think so. I feel maybe because
Speaker 1: I knew this a couple I had a love of Japan,
Speaker 1: and I kind of maybe take that for granted, having
Speaker 1: been the take out a couple of times, I kind
Speaker 1: of felt like from my experience, you know, and this
Speaker 1: is based on two characters who are there for about
Speaker 1: a week, which is about the time I was there
Speaker 1: for both times, and it kind of felt like my
Speaker 1: impression of Japan to a degree.
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely, you can't avoid the politeness.
Speaker 1: You get bowed to, like somebody I went for so
Speaker 1: many years ago, like when I was a teenager, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought of I almost went to Tokyo once for
Speaker 1: a weekend, but and I couldn't find my passport. So
Speaker 1: is the last minute in fact, I'm going to I'm
Speaker 1: going to I'm going to Tokyo. I had a mate
Speaker 1: over there and didn't go, but it was fast enough
Speaker 1: with the idea of going one day and somebody told me,
Speaker 1: They said that they're so polite over there, like if
Speaker 1: you if you stop on the street and pull a
Speaker 1: map out, somebody will come over to you and they
Speaker 1: will help you and where you will go. You got
Speaker 1: to train with my family. We've got to train from
Speaker 1: the airport too close enough to her accommodation, as close
Speaker 1: as the train station was, got out, got to map
Speaker 1: out as soon as we got out.
Speaker 5: Somebody like this thing that somebody told years earlier, literally
Speaker 5: the first time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are incredible, yes, yes, almost obsequiously polite to
Speaker 3: the point where you're like, I feel like you're pissing
Speaker 3: in my pocket here. Yeah, you know you don't have
Speaker 3: to do that.
Speaker 1: Is that politeness.
Speaker 5: But then you know there were vending machines with underwear,
Speaker 5: you know they got rid of.
Speaker 3: That's the repress. That's the part of thing. That's the
Speaker 3: shame part of things.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, with the shame thing.
Speaker 1: There was an incident on set where one of the
Speaker 1: location they shot ten minutes over is when they're having
Speaker 1: their dinner later on, where things aren't going particularly well.
Speaker 1: They're a bit frosty between the two of them, and
Speaker 1: when they're at that place where they've got to put
Speaker 1: their own.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes they which by the way,
Speaker 3: I mean, like, how good was it just putting a
Speaker 3: boiling pot in between them at that point?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: They just as a metaphor.
Speaker 1: It's just like, this is awesome, very nice.
Speaker 3: I said, nothing and there's just steam between them.
Speaker 1: So good. Yeah, it was so good. Yea. They shot
Speaker 1: for ten minutes over and the location director came up
Speaker 1: to the producer said I have to resign and he
Speaker 1: said why. He goes, because you shot ten minutes over
Speaker 1: and he goy, know, we'll pay for it, like everyone's
Speaker 1: getting paid and we'll pay that.
Speaker 5: She goes, no, no, but it's it's the designer.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: And then and then the the the Japanese crew who
Speaker 5: going to work for him said we have to resign too.
Speaker 3: Oh my.
Speaker 1: They had to have a big meeting the next day,
Speaker 1: and the American producers had to say we we okay,
Speaker 1: there's been a cultural misunderstanding.
Speaker 3: And genuinely lost in translation. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Literally, there were so many lost in translation moments.
Speaker 3: Which would have had they just had to have happened,
Speaker 3: because that is actually how it is over.
Speaker 1: There, and they were shooting, Like I said, I was
Speaker 1: shooting like handheld cameras a lot, and then the grill
Speaker 1: is just getting shouting those shots of Japan, especially shot
Speaker 1: from a moving car.
Speaker 3: But it's got sick. It's loved it. It works, and
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 1: It's because it's kind of how you feel when you
Speaker 1: arrive and are looking out of the taxi exactly though,
Speaker 1: exactly and grabbing shots. So the other thing we should
Speaker 1: mention is that the Sophia Copple of what was going
Speaker 1: on in her life. So Charlotte is basically her, right,
Speaker 1: it is her? Yeah, So Scaletta Hansen is seventeen when
Speaker 1: she makes this film. She's playing about a twenty five
Speaker 1: year old, which is actually pretty rare that you play up.
Speaker 1: Usually it's the other way around, like actual yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: now yeah, So why did she pick her?
Speaker 3: Like if she's seventeen, did she just grab her out
Speaker 3: of drama school?
Speaker 1: See? So she You know, we need to remind ourselves
Speaker 1: when this came out scale your hands, it was not
Speaker 1: scarlet your hands.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, where did she get up?
Speaker 1: She doesn't go a movie called ghost World, which I
Speaker 1: remember seeing. It was a bit of an indie hit,
Speaker 1: and there was no real clue that she was going
Speaker 1: to become the lute icon. Yeah, yeah, you come. It
Speaker 1: was you know, very much dressed down kind of indie
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, you know, almost slightly maybe gothic kind.
Speaker 3: Of Yeah, ribes okay, interesting and then the G word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes I did. I'm not afraid to go there.
Speaker 12: I know.
Speaker 1: Would he come up the shirts a bit? Sometimes? Not me,
Speaker 1: not on my own podcast, so he She apparently had
Speaker 1: made contact with her about six years earlier for something right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think maybe for Virgin Suicides it was considered she
Speaker 1: was too young and they're not quite But then.
Speaker 3: But for a rum com with a fifty year old, well,
Speaker 3: this is and and they're right in the sweet spot
Speaker 3: and yeah, this is the questionable part of the movie.
Speaker 3: It really is.
Speaker 1: And we'll obviously we'll definitely will definitely get to that.
Speaker 1: But so for a couple of I was married to
Speaker 1: Spike Jones, the Spike Jones. He was actually in a
Speaker 1: great movie, Got Three Kings Cubange Clooney and Mark Wahlberg,
Speaker 1: made by David A. Russell.
Speaker 5: I hopefully we'll cover that film one day on this podcast.
Speaker 3: It was on the list it is on the list.
Speaker 3: I've seen it.
Speaker 1: It's a great film. Yeah, yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 3: It's really good. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also so Spot Giants and then directs, you know,
Speaker 1: Being John Malkovich, her great film. Yeah. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of based on their marriage, him kind of you know,
Speaker 1: getting into this world, her maybe feeling a little bit
Speaker 1: kind of left behind. And the Anna Faris character supposedly,
Speaker 1: right is based on Cameron Diaz.
Speaker 14: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I didn't as soon as she walked because I knew
Speaker 3: it was about. What I knew is that it was
Speaker 3: it was kind of semi bio autobiographical or biographical. And
Speaker 3: then when Anna Faris walked on, I said to Sam,
Speaker 3: I was like, my partner. I was like, they're definitely
Speaker 3: making her look like Cameron Diaz. You're right there, you
Speaker 3: go like, if I had it, she could have been
Speaker 3: a body double for it. Yeah, straightened hair, she's so funny,
Speaker 3: she was, she's so funny. It's it's yeah, they've done
Speaker 3: Cameron Diaz was in Being John Malkovic, and that was
Speaker 3: but there's no it's interesting because there's there's no.
Speaker 1: I watched that.
Speaker 3: They don't conclude it. They don't.
Speaker 9: They don't conclude it saying that there was an affair
Speaker 9: or anything going on.
Speaker 1: It's just that they are. It's for me, it's and
Speaker 1: I have no idea, and we don't need to even
Speaker 1: go down the path of trying to guess if something
Speaker 1: had happened but in real life. But yeah, the fact
Speaker 1: is in the movie, it's just that he is going
Speaker 1: into this world and and and and getting seduced by
Speaker 1: this world, and she's not as seduced by it. Now
Speaker 1: she's in her own kind of no headspace.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well she she was going to say she's lost,
Speaker 3: and then I was like, she's lost. Beautiful. I think
Speaker 3: for me that was one of the more impressive things
Speaker 3: about the movie if you think about I mean just
Speaker 3: severe Gopplo as a person at that time. Is her
Speaker 3: willingness to leave things open. Yeah, yes, like that takes
Speaker 3: alles that and maturity. Like people aren't writing those sorts
Speaker 3: of endings for you know, often much later in their careers.
Speaker 3: Like I mean, if you're young and you're writing anything,
Speaker 3: you're always looking for I don't know, it's just just
Speaker 3: comes with being a young writer. You want to you
Speaker 3: want to hit them over the head with a message
Speaker 3: you want to go like, this is what I'm trying
Speaker 3: to say here, and this is why this happens. And
Speaker 3: you know that's just that's just a young person's movie
Speaker 3: or a young person's script. But and there's probably five
Speaker 3: or six loose ends at the end of that movie
Speaker 3: where you just she just goes, I don't know, just
Speaker 3: figure it out. And that's what makes it so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it just washes this. Maybe this washes over you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And there's a lot to think about, Like I guess
Speaker 1: there is. There is judgment on on on the Anafaris
Speaker 1: kind of character, you do, kind of.
Speaker 3: She's made to look like a dickhead. Yes, the same
Speaker 3: with her. She's doing the karaoke in the bar at
Speaker 3: the end and they just openly laugh at her and
Speaker 3: then run away.
Speaker 5: It's like it is And the press comments is hilarious,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: The press. We're both into.
Speaker 5: The way.
Speaker 3: I've got two dogs too.
Speaker 1: I do you want to talk about the opening shot
Speaker 1: of the film, which has drawn a lot of comment
Speaker 1: over the years. The very first thing you see in
Speaker 1: this film is Charlotte. You're handsome, lying down wearing almost
Speaker 1: like sheard underwear see through. Yeah, and that's it's an
Speaker 1: arresting image. There's no doubt. There is no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: So a couple of has just said that she reminded
Speaker 1: her of a painting she spake her skull your hands
Speaker 1: and about it, Scully, you're handsome, you know, had to
Speaker 1: be convinced.
Speaker 3: That it was because she was forgetting that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think And I'm not sure if it's
Speaker 1: you know, talking about the male lens and the male
Speaker 1: male gay, Yeah, for sure, you know, but I think
Speaker 1: I think part of it is the more I think
Speaker 1: about it, they just questioned a whole way through the film,
Speaker 1: which is actually we will continue the discussion about what
Speaker 1: this movie is about. Isn't about sex or is it
Speaker 1: about friendship? Or is it about something else? And I
Speaker 1: think by starting with that image, it kind of puts
Speaker 1: a little expectation, Oh maybe this is about sex, you know,
Speaker 1: and because up and right at the end without jumping
Speaker 1: to the end of it, but when he's walking towards her,
Speaker 1: the big question you're kind of asking is are they gonna.
Speaker 3: Are they gonna hook up?
Speaker 1: The hook up and and that kind of maybe the
Speaker 1: sets that seed in the very first shot, that's one
Speaker 1: of the things, yes, you know angles, but it's.
Speaker 3: We actually had a moment. So I mean it sounds
Speaker 3: like Sam and I are talking all the way through
Speaker 3: the movie. We're not. But I think it's I think
Speaker 3: it's a sign of a really good film where you
Speaker 3: can both feel something without it being said, like what
Speaker 3: I said about on Sunde, and you can feel it
Speaker 3: on the other person, and I, you know, to give
Speaker 3: you you watching it home or no, you're watching the movies,
Speaker 3: you can feel it. You know, you can both you
Speaker 3: both just breathe a little bit less, you know. And
Speaker 3: I think when they went out they had that great
Speaker 3: night which just looked like so much fun. Yes, and
Speaker 3: it you know, this for me is the great tension
Speaker 3: of the movie. And I think that this is why,
Speaker 3: you know, I would almost go so far as to
Speaker 3: say that it's a masterpiece, because I just don't think
Speaker 3: that you can get and it comes down to the performances,
Speaker 3: of course, but I think that with minimal dialogue, with
Speaker 3: shots of Tokyo which had look like they're done in
Speaker 3: a camquarder with a fifty two year old and a
Speaker 3: seventeen year old, the fact that she manages to put
Speaker 3: you in a place of permanent ambiguity for that long
Speaker 3: without thinking it's cheesy or trite or too ambiguous or
Speaker 3: deliberately ambiguous. Is the great feet of the film and
Speaker 3: the bit where they go out they have that huge
Speaker 3: karaoke night. They get home. He carries her home, he
Speaker 3: puts her in a bed, he folds the blanket over
Speaker 3: the top of her, and he's just looking at her
Speaker 3: and he puts a hand on it, and all he
Speaker 3: does he puts his hand on his shoulder. And I
Speaker 3: said to Sam in that moment, I said, I really
Speaker 3: hope they don't hook up. I really hope they don't
Speaker 3: because this is beautiful. What the fact that this is
Speaker 3: about two lost people finding companionship and they haven't entered
Speaker 3: the sex conversation is brilliant, Like if this is the movie,
Speaker 3: I am so happy with the fact that they haven't
Speaker 3: gone there. I love that about it. And maybe that's
Speaker 3: what I loved most about Bill Murray at that point
Speaker 3: in that movie was I was like, thank god, there's
Speaker 3: a fifty two year old guy. And maybe it ties
Speaker 3: in with what you were saying before about the opening shot.
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, look, here's a really attractive young woman
Speaker 3: that's what they've gone for in the opening shot. I mean,
Speaker 3: all bit, we don't know she's seventeen. So there's this
Speaker 3: opening shot with her, and he goes, she's really attractive,
Speaker 3: and then you've got Bill Murray, who's yeah, washed up
Speaker 3: movies start and this in any modern context, if a
Speaker 3: young woman is showing interest in a film style like that,
Speaker 3: the sad part is that he's probably going to think
Speaker 3: at some stage that she's hitting on him and he's
Speaker 3: going to have a crack, right like that's that's the
Speaker 3: sad reality of that situation. That's the grooming bit. But
Speaker 3: he doesn't no, and you and you're just so on
Speaker 3: board with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think. I don't think he's ever comes
Speaker 1: across as predatory at all. In fact, he's gentle with her,
Speaker 1: even when he leaves the hotel on the doors locked it.
Speaker 5: These little touches yes that are in there, Yes that
Speaker 5: I think help.
Speaker 3: This is the bit that made it sad for me
Speaker 3: is when you talk about that lunch. Right, So we're good,
Speaker 3: we're good, we're good, we're good, just looking after each other,
Speaker 3: you know. Is that flirting? No, that's cool, it's cool,
Speaker 3: it's cool. Oh you know you know, after that scene,
Speaker 3: he calls his wife and then he sleeps with another woman. Right,
Speaker 3: so he's like he makes the decision when he puts
Speaker 3: it to bed that night, this is really great. I'm
Speaker 3: not going to fuck this up. Yeah, you can see
Speaker 3: it in him like that. That's that's why he goes
Speaker 3: and calls his family and then they go out for
Speaker 3: this lunch. The first thing she says is well, at
Speaker 3: least she's I suppose closer to your age and you
Speaker 3: just like I groaned audibly. I was like, no, don't
Speaker 3: don't give him that. He doesn't stand a chance now,
Speaker 3: Like he's trying so hard, you know, And and not
Speaker 3: not in a sense of the provocation or anything like that.
Speaker 3: It's not. I don't think it's about that. I think
Speaker 3: it's just like I think he decided in his head,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to fuck this up by making a play.
Speaker 3: And then she made a play, and I'm just like, ah.
Speaker 1: The fact that people still talk about this film, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you can watch it again and as I do,
Speaker 1: and my mind changes each time, Like when I watched
Speaker 1: it this week, is that right? I just kept watching
Speaker 1: all the little touches, Yeah, all the like physical all
Speaker 1: the times that they when they were holding hands in
Speaker 1: the lift. There's the left where they've come home for
Speaker 1: a night and they give each other a kiss on
Speaker 1: the cheek because it's almost on the lip.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, and Charlotte almost yes, it is almost the
Speaker 5: one almost.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: And then because they've taken the time to do that,
Speaker 5: they missed the stop.
Speaker 1: Yes, and they do it again yeah and yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: That felt like wow. And then there's a scene where
Speaker 1: they're to get back to your point about one of
Speaker 1: the hook up they hook up. This movie falls apart
Speaker 1: because I think it's it's a unique, fascinating film that
Speaker 1: lives in this space of ambiguity. Like you said that
Speaker 1: that is so rewarding and the kid asking questions. Yes,
Speaker 1: what makes this time special between them is there is
Speaker 1: some cheating going on here when it's not sexual, but
Speaker 1: there's an emotional definitely transactions going on that he's not
Speaker 1: going to tell his wife exactly he laid on the bed,
Speaker 1: you know, Yes, five year old, she's not going to
Speaker 1: tell her husband that. You know, she did the same
Speaker 1: thing with the fifty two year old. Yes, you know
Speaker 1: that's a cheat. You know, I feel friend told you
Speaker 1: that you'd a bit concerned to be like, hang on,
Speaker 1: well that's going to be not cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Great thing about cinema, yeah, is we can come in
Speaker 1: and have this kind of more holistic, kind of like
Speaker 1: view of the world and we can hear yeah, and
Speaker 1: we can see that they're both in weird they actually
Speaker 1: need each other during.
Speaker 3: This need each other. That's it, well said, he's.
Speaker 1: Going through a midlife Christ like an earlier life Christ.
Speaker 3: Ye Christ.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they kind of just need each other at
Speaker 1: this point and that makes it, I think, really special.
Speaker 1: And we hear it's funny that the phone calls to
Speaker 1: home and you know, I'm sure you'll you'll be well
Speaker 1: away and working and you know, we we live in
Speaker 1: a fun little world where we get to hang out
Speaker 1: with other adults sometimes and travel.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes you call home and those yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember, particular when the kids are young, the tricky
Speaker 1: phone calls that labrigate because how much how much do
Speaker 1: you want to let them know that you know, you're
Speaker 1: having a pretty fun time, Like you don't want to
Speaker 1: go away and have a bad time. You don't want
Speaker 1: to make you know, being hotel rooms depressing. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to hide too much, but
Speaker 1: you don't want to shove it in their faces. When
Speaker 1: you hear the kids in the background exactly, he's he
Speaker 1: wants to kind of connect you to kind of like
Speaker 1: he's talk about the music that he.
Speaker 5: I'm going to find out. I'm going to bring something
Speaker 5: back for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's why and the burgundy, and the wife
Speaker 1: is like, I think there's one way you can you know,
Speaker 1: the wife does come across as a bit kind of sturdy,
Speaker 1: but yeah, at the same time, it's dirty if you
Speaker 1: think about it.
Speaker 5: Beautiful word, well, if you think about it, like she's running.
Speaker 3: A hat that is, and he's over there making money,
Speaker 3: he's having.
Speaker 5: Been drinking, you know, doing karaoke and you know, experiencing.
Speaker 3: There's a line. There's a line I think. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know whether this is just Bill Murray, but
Speaker 3: that bit where he's in the bath and he calls
Speaker 3: her and and what does she say is she's like, he.
Speaker 1: Says, I want I want to start eating Japanese food that's.
Speaker 3: Right every day and yeah, I want to get my
Speaker 3: ship together. I want to be healthy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you love it so much, want to
Speaker 1: stay there forever. But it's not it's not said out
Speaker 1: of anger. I think it's it's kind of set out
Speaker 1: of annoyance.
Speaker 3: It's like or whatever, mate, like you're in Japan, I'm
Speaker 3: here screaming in the background. Yeah that's so true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think there's a way you can
Speaker 1: be really judgey on. I think lidiar. I think is
Speaker 1: the yes.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think if you imagine from her point of view, what.
Speaker 3: Are you complaining about?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have that.
Speaker 3: I have that conversation with Sam all the time, like
Speaker 3: I'm just you know, I'm like, oh, it's really tough,
Speaker 3: and she's like shut up, like shut up, like you
Speaker 3: were just you know what. Our jobs can feel like
Speaker 3: you were here, you were there, you were staying there,
Speaker 3: you had dinner with them, Like shut up, like whatever.
Speaker 1: It is hard enough when you're just you know, away,
Speaker 1: and put a time zone on that in a different
Speaker 1: time when he's drunk, she's fixing breakfast.
Speaker 3: It's just it's it's a good commentary. And maybe I
Speaker 3: was actually thinking about you watching this because you know,
Speaker 3: I feel as if it's like she's obviously Seville Cobble
Speaker 3: was in you know, entertainment. She spending the entertainment her
Speaker 3: whole life obviously with her dad, and it just felt
Speaker 3: like a commentary in general on because he's a film star,
Speaker 3: Yeah right, and just it felt like there's a really
Speaker 3: interesting commentary on the fact that because he obviously doesn't
Speaker 3: like what he does, like he's you know, it's been
Speaker 3: ages since you made him. You know, there's an initial
Speaker 3: conversation with the kids with him in the bar and
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, did you do your own stunts? And
Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, I did, and then he walks off.
Speaker 3: He hates it, and he's there completely bereft, clearly only
Speaker 3: there for the money.
Speaker 5: That's it, is it.
Speaker 3: He's only there for the money. He's doing the cheesiest
Speaker 3: ad of all time, and he's searching for something that
Speaker 3: he's he's just not getting. There's clearly a lack of
Speaker 3: connection in terms of who he is. And you know,
Speaker 3: there's all these funny shots of him playing golf and
Speaker 3: him on a you know, the cross trainer, as you mentioned,
Speaker 3: like is constant search for who you are. And I
Speaker 3: mean this is going to sound potentially kind of controversial,
Speaker 3: but that for me was what they what he found
Speaker 3: in her was he found the connection that he was
Speaker 3: looking for this whole time, which and it's funny he
Speaker 3: has that. He has that speech you know at the
Speaker 3: end where you know the famous line about kids and
Speaker 3: you know, the most terrifying daut of your life. But
Speaker 3: the line from me which is most memorable for that
Speaker 3: is she's like, does it get easier? And he's like,
Speaker 3: you know, you well, once you get older, you kind
Speaker 3: of you figure out more of what you want and
Speaker 3: then you stop. Then you know who you are and
Speaker 3: you know you know what you want, and then you
Speaker 3: stop worrying about things as much. Let's you've got it.
Speaker 1: Let's I've got these in two parts, because they almost
Speaker 1: cover her off and then they cover from his perspective,
Speaker 1: this is as close as they get to her betrayal.
Speaker 1: I think lying in a bed, you know, hotel bed
Speaker 1: with it, you know, like you actually put it in
Speaker 1: your own you know, like life, it's there's no denying
Speaker 1: it to betrayal. Like I said, were coming with in
Speaker 1: cinematic great thing that films, we can kind of see
Speaker 1: they do need each other. She needs as much as
Speaker 1: he does. Because one of the saddest moments in the
Speaker 1: film is when she calls she calls a friend back home,
Speaker 1: and she's clearly upset. She says, I went and saw
Speaker 1: some monks. They were chanting, and I felt nothing. And
Speaker 1: now my husband is using hair products, new hair. Brother
Speaker 1: don't know I'm married. She's clearly upset, and her friend
Speaker 1: does not give a fuck so bad. Yeah, have fun,
Speaker 1: you know, not listen. I suspect she doesn't have a
Speaker 1: large friendship grip anyway.
Speaker 3: So then and and and she finds in him like
Speaker 3: he forgets like I feel like a lot of this
Speaker 3: film is about like just forgiving another person for who
Speaker 3: and what they are, because they both in their relationships
Speaker 3: don't get forgiven by their partners for being who they are.
Speaker 3: She says to him, what's his name? Thinks I'm snotty
Speaker 3: And he obviously there's no understanding from his partner as
Speaker 3: to what he is either, and probably because he doesn't
Speaker 3: be like you can tell her whatever it is. But
Speaker 3: they find each other, and you know, the first time
Speaker 3: he walks into her apartment, he goes, my bathroom's messy
Speaker 3: with the yours, and then he goes and grabs the
Speaker 3: soul Searching CD. And whether or not he's got that
Speaker 3: CD or not, I'm going to say he probably doesn't.
Speaker 3: He goes, who's is this and she says, I don't know,
Speaker 3: and he's like, oh, okay, that's clearly yours. So to
Speaker 3: make you feel better, I've got that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I just it's funny that you can have a
Speaker 3: relationship with this person that you're destined to be with
Speaker 3: and think that this is it and everything, but then
Speaker 3: as soon as you meet someone outside of that who
Speaker 3: forgives you for who you are, that's that's what the
Speaker 3: relationship should be.
Speaker 1: Well, I think this movie is this relationship is not
Speaker 1: necessarily a romance or a friendship, but it's something more.
Speaker 1: I think what it is is that these two people
Speaker 1: have met each other, had this deep connection, but they
Speaker 1: know nothing can happen, not just because they're both married,
Speaker 1: it's just and the ages, it's just it's almost like
Speaker 1: a past lives. It's almost like these two people it's
Speaker 1: almost what they knew each other in the past. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they can't quite Have you seen that Past Lives?
Speaker 1: I fucking obsessed with that movie.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable, It's so unbelievable. Yeah, yeah, that was so good.
Speaker 3: Similar ending as well, Yes, right, in terms of this,
Speaker 3: like Hey, what is it?
Speaker 12: What?
Speaker 3: What the hell was that?
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do that you left it
Speaker 1: a bit open and making interesting choices with the other characters,
Speaker 1: like like with the Lydia and and the you know
Speaker 1: where you don't the husband in that movie.
Speaker 5: I love that they didn't I could turn him into.
Speaker 3: So good about it. I've that was I thought that
Speaker 3: was one of the great feats of that movie is
Speaker 3: that it wasn't and and and the other part of
Speaker 3: that movie was that similar to this, although I I
Speaker 3: didn't look my first watch, but I feel like she
Speaker 3: leant down there there was something going on with these
Speaker 3: two because of the kiss. But in Past Lives, what
Speaker 3: I loved about that was that it went the other way. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was this this is great And I think I
Speaker 3: think that's maturity in love or in life. Is there's
Speaker 3: a difference between swearing yourself to somebody through commitment and
Speaker 3: like knowing what that brings versus if we all just
Speaker 3: hooked up with everyone we had a connection with, like
Speaker 3: what would it mean? Yes, but to be able to
Speaker 3: stand you know, your own ground, like at the end
Speaker 3: of Past Lives and be like, yeah, look cool, there
Speaker 3: was something really beautiful there, but I've made a choice
Speaker 3: here and respect yourself for that. And I thought, that's
Speaker 3: what That's what I loved about Bill Murray for so
Speaker 3: much of this movie is there was this clearly this tension.
Speaker 3: He's a guy, she's smoking hard. There's a connection that
Speaker 3: that for me, it was that was the character study
Speaker 3: for me that that I was most interested in. It
Speaker 3: was like, what are you going to do? And I
Speaker 3: think that's why I like movies, That's why I like
Speaker 3: stories so much. That's why I liked her character so much.
Speaker 3: Is this constantly putting making you as an audience member,
Speaker 3: putting you in the whoever's on the screens shoes going
Speaker 3: what are you doing there? Yeah, that's what you're talking about?
Speaker 3: It is that a betrayal? He touched her foot? The
Speaker 3: touching on her foot is like a bit weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was for me, like, that's that's getting
Speaker 1: almost too intimate, like that, that is certainly a crossing
Speaker 1: of a of a line.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, not not in a in a kind of oh
Speaker 5: creepy kind of way, but.
Speaker 1: It's that that tells me that he's easy's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're something there and yeah, and it could be that
Speaker 1: you know, Another version is he tried to kissing, doesn't
Speaker 1: do that, but he feels enough of a connection to
Speaker 1: kind of touch her naked. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's in Japan, I mean, the home of the king,
Speaker 3: where feet rains the bread or wicked.
Speaker 1: Feet is probably born. I assume, I assume you scut
Speaker 1: your hands and as many photos of her feet on
Speaker 1: Wiki feet. Funnily enough, she she mentions she doesn't know
Speaker 1: what she wants to do, and she tried photography, but
Speaker 1: she yes, right, she took a photo of her own
Speaker 1: feet A couple of.
Speaker 4: To do that.
Speaker 3: You're kidding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there was so much about it that I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is yeah. Let's ever listened to
Speaker 1: that conversation on the bed. This is the first half
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 12: Does it get easier?
Speaker 4: No, yes, it gets us.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, at you.
Speaker 4: Thanks. And the more you know who you are and
Speaker 4: what you want, the less you like things upset you.
Speaker 12: Yeah. I just don't know what I'm supposed to be.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 12: I tried being a writer, but I hate what I write.
Speaker 12: And I tried taking pictures, but there's some mediocre you know,
Speaker 12: every girl goes through a photography phase, you know, like
Speaker 12: horses you know, take a dumb pictures of your feet.
Speaker 4: You'll figure that out. And I'm not worried about you
Speaker 4: keep riding.
Speaker 2: I'm so mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so honest and it's not not flowery, like
Speaker 5: it's just.
Speaker 1: A yeah.
Speaker 3: I also love. The thing that struck me about that
Speaker 3: scene was he's he sits there and goes, the more
Speaker 3: you know what you want, the less that things upset you, right,
Speaker 3: And she goes, I just don't know who I need
Speaker 3: to be. Right. Ironically, for me, she at that point
Speaker 3: of the film is the antithesis of she's really getting
Speaker 3: an understanding of what she wants and it's clearly not
Speaker 3: upsetting her anymore. Yeah, And he has no idea what
Speaker 3: he needs anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So they kind of like both describe each other's narrative,
Speaker 3: but he's giving it as advice to her and it's like,
Speaker 3: can you listen to yourself? And she's trying to say
Speaker 3: and she's saying to him, this is who you are, mate,
Speaker 3: You've got no idea who you are. And I thought
Speaker 3: that that, for me was like really genius, and I
Speaker 3: suppose that was the great You know, there's so many
Speaker 3: moments that are lost in translation. There's the director, and
Speaker 3: there's there's him there, there's him at the time, doctors
Speaker 3: waiting room. There's their relationship, there's their relationship with both
Speaker 3: of their partners. There's their relationship they have with the city. Like,
Speaker 3: there's all these things that are lost in translation, But
Speaker 3: the biggest thing he's lost in translation with both of
Speaker 3: them is their relationship they have with themselves. Yeah, they're
Speaker 3: both so out of their depth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just don't know what this is, and they
Speaker 1: both know that it can't actually progress really in any
Speaker 1: kind of real way for lots of different reasons. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, the other way looking at is more of
Speaker 1: a father father daughter sole a relationship. When you listen
Speaker 1: to that, you know, when you take away the image
Speaker 1: of them in the bed and you listen to what
Speaker 1: he's saying when he says, I'm not worried about you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be as a very fatherly thing to say,
Speaker 1: and then that touch in the foot can become a
Speaker 1: bit more you know, Yeah, just everything will be okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, there's two different ways, a couple different ways
Speaker 1: you can look at it.
Speaker 3: That's it's funny you mentioned their feet thing, because I
Speaker 3: actually hadn't. I forgot about the feet line. But she
Speaker 3: mentions feet and then he touches their foot. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: it's one point.
Speaker 4: We used to have a lot of fun.
Speaker 14: Oliviya would come with me when I made the movies
Speaker 14: and we would laugh about it all. Now she doesn't
Speaker 14: want to leave the kids, and she doesn't.
Speaker 4: Need me to be there.
Speaker 14: The kids miss me, but they're fine, and it gets
Speaker 14: a whole lot more complicated.
Speaker 4: When you have kids.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's scary.
Speaker 4: It's the most terrifying day of your life, the day
Speaker 4: the first one is born.
Speaker 12: Nobody ever tells you that.
Speaker 4: Your life as you know it is gone now a return.
Speaker 4: But they learn how to walk, and they learn how
Speaker 4: to talk, and.
Speaker 14: And you want to be with them, and they turn
Speaker 14: out to be the most delightful people you will ever
Speaker 14: meet in your life.
Speaker 1: What I love about it, it's not he's obviously going
Speaker 1: through a bit of a malaise, you know, within his marriage,
Speaker 1: But it's not there's a version of this where like
Speaker 1: we keep doing Aboutlydia could have been aggressive or hostile
Speaker 1: towards each other. It's not that. It's just they're just
Speaker 1: in a bit of a funk, you know, and maybe
Speaker 1: he's in more of a funk than sheese or we
Speaker 1: see it more from his sod, but he's not. He's
Speaker 1: not slagging the marriage, you know, and he's recognizing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it can be working, it can be tough, but there's beauty. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I think that's a really good point. He
Speaker 3: really like of all the betrayals that he makes, if
Speaker 3: we want to call them betrayals in terms of the
Speaker 3: emotional cheating that goes on, and I think there is
Speaker 3: definitely a degree of that. He never slags on his
Speaker 3: current relationship. No, Yeah, he does fuck the singer from
Speaker 3: the bar.
Speaker 1: Which which it's interesting that it kind of happens because
Speaker 1: you kind of wonder why.
Speaker 3: He's doing He's doing it because he's trying to prove
Speaker 3: himself that he doesn't want to be with Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and whether it's also just there's just there's this
Speaker 1: tension that's built in him. Yeah, it's been this chemistry
Speaker 1: and true I kind of I'm gonna And whether he's
Speaker 1: articulated that to himself or it's just yeah in that moment, Yeah, hilarious.
Speaker 1: By the way, when he wakes up, that's all. It's
Speaker 1: so you barely see her. She's just by the way.
Speaker 5: So a couple of saw her an Australian singer Louncinger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say she's an Aussie she
Speaker 1: Catherine Lambert is a couple of saw her in Tokyo
Speaker 1: and got the used to the tracker down she'd move
Speaker 1: back to South Australia and yeah, so I found her
Speaker 1: in awesome. Yeah, so those touches. I love when filmmakers
Speaker 1: go to the first all yes, yes, authenticity, it's it's great.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the we have to wrap things up,
Speaker 1: so let's get to a famous ending. I guess there's
Speaker 1: two goodbyes. Yeah, this is the first one in that
Speaker 1: takes place in the hotel room. He rings up asking
Speaker 1: for his jacket and this leading know that he's about
Speaker 1: to leave, and she eventually comes down, What are you
Speaker 1: doing here in Japan?
Speaker 4: I have to go right now? Hi, Hi, thank you,
Speaker 4: you're welcome. I've missed you.
Speaker 10: How are you going right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And my body goes right here. All right, aren't you
Speaker 4: going to wish me in have a good freight or something?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Right, okay, bye, can I give.
Speaker 12: Sure?
Speaker 7: Hey?
Speaker 1: Well, of course you don't see with just listening to
Speaker 1: the audio is Bill Murray's face as she walks away,
Speaker 1: like he's having his photo taken and he's not smiling.
Speaker 3: He's he just doesn't do that, does he. No, he
Speaker 3: doesn't do those sorts of shots, which is why it
Speaker 3: hits so hard. I was like, is he he's acting
Speaker 3: there like he's upset? He doesn't. I don't know. Bill
Speaker 3: Murray just seems like one of those guys for me
Speaker 3: where he kind of plays the same person in every
Speaker 3: movie because he is just that's all you want to do.
Speaker 3: You just want to capture that on camera, and you
Speaker 3: see it in nearly every scene in that movie is
Speaker 3: just they've clearly just gone okay, let's just roll for
Speaker 3: ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Yes, there are scenes. I think with the more comedic scenes,
Speaker 1: he was given permission to ad live and I mean
Speaker 1: we should actually even.
Speaker 3: In that scene. Yeah, it felt like that was very much.
Speaker 3: He makes that joke about the fight or fright a
Speaker 3: good fright, and sam My partner, she said this to
Speaker 3: me and she was like, you can tell the moments
Speaker 3: in the movie where he genuinely makes her laugh. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you see with the black toe in the bar that
Speaker 3: you know he makes it. He does make her laugh
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 1: He does, he does. There was a tough shoot for
Speaker 1: Scale at Your Hands, Like I said, she's seventeen a
Speaker 1: few times fifty two heard like third movie. You know
Speaker 1: Bill Murray's a legend. Yeah, Bill Murray, so he fired
Speaker 1: his agents, you know, famously years ago and basically has
Speaker 1: an answer machine.
Speaker 3: I heard this, So that's the best thing ever.
Speaker 1: So Sophia Coppler had to like ring up people, like
Speaker 1: she literally rang al Pacino and said, I've got this
Speaker 1: role for a film. Can you put me in touch
Speaker 1: with it? Like say I want you for I want
Speaker 1: to give Bill, Can you put me in touch with
Speaker 1: Bill Murray? And like everyone's way he's elusive and wrote
Speaker 1: for Bill Murray, she said, if he doesn't play it
Speaker 1: in the film's like any made.
Speaker 3: Joking so sick.
Speaker 1: So left messages trying to get go through Where's Anderson
Speaker 1: who had done Rushmore and yeah and the friends through
Speaker 1: Jason Schwartzman, who's a cousin of Severe Coppola and did
Speaker 1: not know it, like went to Japan, that's so cool.
Speaker 1: Went to Japan to set up the preproduction, still not
Speaker 1: knowing if Bill Murray was going to show up. It
Speaker 1: seems crazy and kind of impossible to me, and they
Speaker 1: arrived like two weeks before filming.
Speaker 3: It's better and better.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so no real rehearsal my god, so, oh my god,
Speaker 5: that's so good.
Speaker 1: And the scene that Bill Murray was either like in
Speaker 1: performing it was an Academy Award, but I think I
Speaker 1: mentioned so a couple of did we also win the
Speaker 1: Best Original Screenplay for this film? Well deserved? Yeah it was.
Speaker 1: Scalia Hansen has been very I think very and they're
Speaker 1: both very respectful to each other. But I think I
Speaker 1: don't think they they acknowledged that the chemistry on on
Speaker 1: screen was electric. Something happened when the cameras were rolling
Speaker 1: off screen. They weren't.
Speaker 5: They weren't, like you know, it kind of makes sense on.
Speaker 1: Different styles of work, different you know.
Speaker 3: What are they going to talk about? Well, yeah, like
Speaker 3: what in the world are they going to talk about? More?
Speaker 3: Probably kids, he owned at that stage.
Speaker 5: I do wonder if if you to do it now,
Speaker 5: whether Sofia Coppler would I.
Speaker 3: Don't think you'd be able to have the end.
Speaker 1: I think she said that she's not sure she could
Speaker 1: make the film, but I do wonder, you know, whether
Speaker 1: she would be more alert to the fact that there's
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old and a fifty teen year old.
Speaker 3: And definitely helping, definitely, or she would have had to
Speaker 3: have been yeah, rather than two thousand and three. Right, yeah,
Speaker 3: like come on, I mean, this is this is it
Speaker 3: and amongst everything that goes on in Hollywood at this time. So,
Speaker 3: like you know, it's the fact that that wasn't even
Speaker 3: mentioned or considered. It doesn't surprise me at all. I mean,
Speaker 3: through one lens that the movie is a grooming film. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: a guy that grooms a young girl. That is that
Speaker 3: is definitely a lens that you can view this through.
Speaker 3: So but that just wasn't on anyone's radar at that stage.
Speaker 1: No, No, And it's it's the skill biosophia couple of
Speaker 1: both in the script and the direction and the performers.
Speaker 1: Skolja Hansen has always had like an older, like a
Speaker 1: wiser vibe the deep which you know, like.
Speaker 3: She doesn't she doesn't behave like a seventeen year old girl.
Speaker 3: Well certainly not seventeen old girls that I hung out with.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know that she and she is playing twenty five.
Speaker 1: I know we mentioned it. It's important that we know
Speaker 1: the character is not seventeen, Yes it is, but from
Speaker 1: a from a production point of view, yes, yeah, so
Speaker 1: a couple of does. But I meant to mention there's
Speaker 1: a big theme that runs through all of her movies.
Speaker 1: Often it is it is a woman in a privileged
Speaker 1: isn't in a way? It's a park Height in Lost
Speaker 1: in Translation, vigin Suicide as a house, Mari Enterlinette for sure,
Speaker 1: So Somewhere was a great film in the Chateau my Moont.
Speaker 1: So it's definitely a theme that comes.
Speaker 3: From you just saw On the Rocks as well.
Speaker 5: On the Rocks is fun, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? With Bill Murray as well, obviously, so yeah, and
Speaker 3: I love.
Speaker 1: That Rashida Jones as well. Jones Yeah great, yeah, great, Yeah.
Speaker 1: We get to the final goodbye. So this is on
Speaker 1: the street, he sees her, he gets out, what happens next?
Speaker 14: Hey you.
Speaker 8: Come?
Speaker 1: Usually I wouldn't play a grab for a minute with
Speaker 1: basically no dialogue, but famously, this this this ending, people
Speaker 1: have tried to come and listen in what did he say?
Speaker 3: What did he say?
Speaker 12: That?
Speaker 1: Nobody is the filmmakers, the actors. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever said what he did? Actually say, even on the
Speaker 1: day or what you think he said. But it's kind
Speaker 1: of it's kind of magic. I mean, do Yeah, we
Speaker 1: have to acknowledge they do kiss. It's certainly a kiss.
Speaker 3: At the end there, there's definitely a kiss.
Speaker 1: It's not like a one on the cheek.
Speaker 3: Is it a hug kiss or a kiss? Hug?
Speaker 1: It's a hug. It's a hug first. I think it's
Speaker 1: a kiss.
Speaker 3: That was the roller coaster I went through. I was like,
Speaker 3: don't kiss her, don't kiss her, don't kiss that. They
Speaker 3: hugged and I was like great and they kissed. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I was like fuck because I I didn't want
Speaker 3: that in my head because I liked what it was.
Speaker 3: But I mean, it all depends what he says, like
Speaker 3: what what does he say to lead them to kiss.
Speaker 1: I don't think even the kiss. I can understand you're
Speaker 1: saying you didn't necessarily want that, And I think it
Speaker 1: works with or without it. Yeah, I think for me
Speaker 1: it doesn't change it. These two still had this connection.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, that was it.
Speaker 1: Probably it probably does. Yeah, you probably have to accept,
Speaker 1: oh there was something. You don't kiss your daughter like that,
Speaker 1: you know, no drop off, so you know, like if
Speaker 1: you if you were prone to going down the father
Speaker 1: door to kind of path that probably the spells it
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, like I said, I'd like to
Speaker 1: at least what I love about the film. Everyone can
Speaker 1: have different I said. I did kind of track all
Speaker 1: the touching that goes on when they come back into
Speaker 1: the into the bar, when they're laughing at you know,
Speaker 1: the Anna Paris character sing karaoke. They are holding hands
Speaker 1: like they're arm in arm. You know, there are all
Speaker 1: these little touches.
Speaker 9: Really, did you had a little touching tally the corner
Speaker 9: of your note? I should have had an next our spreadsheet.
Speaker 9: Actually they are like, yeah, they are elevator peck twice.
Speaker 1: And Okay, when you watch it again, and I think
Speaker 1: you will revisit this, Yeah, it's hard not to many times,
Speaker 1: you know, over the years, like you will just you
Speaker 1: may even have a different response to it, like it's
Speaker 1: what do you think?
Speaker 3: He said?
Speaker 1: I think it was like obviously not word for word,
Speaker 1: but no, I suspect it's probably like things are going
Speaker 1: to turn out. Okay, You're going to be fine, and
Speaker 1: I'm glad I met you.
Speaker 3: Something like that.
Speaker 1: Yes, in real life, this movie came out and Sophie
Speaker 1: a couple of separated from Spike Jones not long after,
Speaker 1: like this was like this and obviously, I mean you've
Speaker 1: see this film and it's not it's not kind, it's
Speaker 1: not you know, Spike.
Speaker 5: Let's call him the Spike Jones character photographer. You know,
Speaker 5: he's just he's.
Speaker 1: Busy and he has to get he's a massive but
Speaker 1: they could make him more of a toy.
Speaker 5: Could more of a you know, they could have cranked
Speaker 5: that up even even more.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And Michelle Gondree, who's a great directed directed Eternal Sunshine
Speaker 1: of the Spotless Mind and Big Kind rewind and good
Speaker 1: good friends with Spike Jones, and they he apparently had
Speaker 1: a bit of a cobbles saying I think your portrayal
Speaker 1: of him was unfair. But you know, it's her story, it's.
Speaker 3: From her perspectives, that's the whole bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I find it really fascinating that you said that the
Speaker 3: chemistry between Scarlett and Bill was strained. Strained. This is
Speaker 3: what makes it a good performance because I was so
Speaker 3: invested and that final scene I was, Yeah, there was
Speaker 3: a part of me when he was running up behind
Speaker 3: her where I was like, I hope it's not I know,
Speaker 3: I thought it might not have been her, you know,
Speaker 3: but I was like, oh, it's going to be a
Speaker 3: bit cheap if we kind of go with that trick.
Speaker 3: But she seems so beautifully reassured by what he says
Speaker 3: to her. Yes, like there's a real sense of like
Speaker 3: thank you. And even when he kissed her, Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was like it was like she was one of his
Speaker 3: own kids. But you're right, it's you don't kiss you,
Speaker 3: don't kiss you. I was actually doing a bit of Reddit.
Speaker 3: I was actually I'm a big Reddit. I wasn't read
Speaker 3: it afterwards, and one of the comments was it was
Speaker 3: just someone who said I specifically looked up. I was like,
Speaker 3: what did he say? Yeah, because I was like, I
Speaker 3: just did anyone does anyone actually know? It might be
Speaker 3: like a nice bit of production note And I was
Speaker 3: going to blow your mind here there was something. So
Speaker 3: there was someone who'd slowed it down and like analyzed
Speaker 3: it and it's not what you think either, like I.
Speaker 1: Got up greater than business on the way on the
Speaker 1: flight time.
Speaker 3: No, so he said. You can listen to the evidence
Speaker 3: of the following cup through some quite disconcerting reverberation. The
Speaker 3: apparent line is I have to be leaving, but I
Speaker 3: won't let that come between us, Okay, right, which is
Speaker 3: hard down there. This is a relationship. Yeah, so apparently,
Speaker 3: I mean obviously the only people that on set that
Speaker 3: knew about it were Sophia, Bill and Scarlet, so no
Speaker 3: one else actually knows. And then this guy went through
Speaker 3: and you know, slowed it right down and like analyzed
Speaker 3: it with you know, whatever technology used and like that.
Speaker 3: For me that when I read that, I was like
Speaker 3: that that can that for me completely ruined it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Well, and we really didn't want to know that, No,
Speaker 8: but I would I would almost discard it because because
Speaker 8: the filmmaker is not one of us to know what
Speaker 8: was said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it could have been that's what he said.
Speaker 1: It could be the person's wrong, yeah, but.
Speaker 3: Or they could have just said, Bill, say whatever the
Speaker 3: hell you want, because we're never going to tell anyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: So, as you said, it's not editorialized, which means it's
Speaker 3: deliberately not meant to be in the movie, so it
Speaker 3: doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well mate, that was so good.
Speaker 1: I was really excited that you chose this, and and
Speaker 1: I thought you'd get Sometimes I'm confident that someone's going
Speaker 1: to enjoy a film, and I was, you were going
Speaker 1: to enjoy it. I love your movies and.
Speaker 3: So perverted relationships.
Speaker 1: I have a messusse or sex wiker coming in. She
Speaker 1: wants you to lick her stockings or something. Such a
Speaker 1: good so bizarre. Yeah, it was funny, and then it
Speaker 1: was like.
Speaker 3: She fell over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mister mister Harris, mister Harris, let's let's go out
Speaker 1: on some suntory.
Speaker 4: For relaxing times. Make it suntory time.
Speaker 1: Did you let you go?
Speaker 5: The fun fun fact?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 3: So many great ones about this well.
Speaker 1: Frank of all, Coppola did actually go to Japan to
Speaker 1: shoot a whiskey commercial with a Kisara, legendary Japanese filmmaker,
Speaker 1: so that was kind of part of the I think
Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage also went over who's a cousin of Sophia
Speaker 1: Coppola part of the you know, the family to shoot
Speaker 1: one where he sung and it's I think you can
Speaker 1: find that only it's pretty bizarre. That's awesome, it's pretty bizarre.
Speaker 1: So Sophia couple won the Best Original Screenplayer. Did mentioned that?
Speaker 1: So four million dollar budget forty four and a half
Speaker 1: million in the US one hundred and twenty million worldwide.
Speaker 1: Wow shot in twenty seven days.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's brilliant. It's so good. Sometimes when I did
Speaker 1: this podcast, I watch a film that I know I
Speaker 1: really enjoy and I go, I think I enjoyed.
Speaker 5: It even more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right the rewatch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this could even be like, yeah, I got to
Speaker 1: do my top ten because this could be this could
Speaker 1: be a top ten. Yeah really I think so.
Speaker 3: I think it's really it gets support. I get that
Speaker 3: last shot. Yeah, I was like the fact that there
Speaker 3: was that, the fact that you didn't let you know
Speaker 3: what he said that, As I said, the deliberate ambiguity
Speaker 3: of the film is it's genius. Yeah, you just don't
Speaker 3: get a movie that that goes for that long, which
Speaker 3: for what I'm gonna say, ninety of the one hundred
Speaker 3: and forty minutes or whatever it is, one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty minutes. It's not that it wasn't that long, was it?
Speaker 10: How long?
Speaker 1: Was it's about one bet one hundred and forty that's
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty yeah, yeah, of ninety of that,
Speaker 1: I was like, I've got no idea what's going on? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm still interested.
Speaker 3: But that that's they put you in.
Speaker 1: A play and to put you on a feeling. And
Speaker 1: I love it, mate, Thank you so much. Keep kicking goals,
Speaker 1: Will and Wooding. Absolutely. How long has it been there?
Speaker 1: Twelve years?
Speaker 3: It's been a long time. Yeah, yeah, ten years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's increasing, I said in an introduction for somebody
Speaker 1: who's had a crack at that, an unsuccessful crack at
Speaker 1: that time. Slot to do twelve years, I mean to do.
Speaker 1: To be honest, it gets resigned once in that in
Speaker 1: that kind of role, is it doesn't happen. Thank you,
Speaker 1: continue to get resigned. It's always a joy to visit
Speaker 1: you guys in your studio and great hanging out with
Speaker 1: you today.
Speaker 3: You too, man, Thanks having me.
Speaker 10: On, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Thanks? What can I get you?
Speaker 12: I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: For relaxing times, make it suntory time.
Speaker 10: I'll have a.
Speaker 4: Thanks. So what are you doing here?
Speaker 11: A couple of things, taking a break from my wife
Speaker 11: forgetting my son's birthday and uh, getting paid two million
Speaker 11: dollars to endorse a whiskey.
Speaker 4: When I could be doing a play somewhere.
Speaker 2: Mm.
Speaker 4: But the good news is the whiskey works. What are
Speaker 4: you doing?
Speaker 10: My husband's a photographer, so he's here working and I
Speaker 10: wasn't doing anything, so I came along and we have
Speaker 10: some friends that live here.
Speaker 4: How long you have been married? Mm?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 10: Mm two years?
Speaker 4: Twenty five long ones. M.
Speaker 10: You're probably just uh having a mid life crisis.
Speaker 4: Did you buy a Porsche yet?
Speaker 12: You know?
Speaker 1: I was thinking about playing a Porsche all it's always
Speaker 1: suntory time. That was Will McMahon from The Will and
Speaker 1: Woody Show, the Hit Show, and that was a joy.
Speaker 1: I had a feeling Will would enjoy this movie Lost
Speaker 1: in Translation. But I'd never count my chickens before they hatch.
Speaker 1: Is that the saying I think it is? And yes,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that he watched the right movie, unlike Dan
Speaker 1: Connell a couple of years ago, when he realized as
Speaker 1: I was doing.
Speaker 5: Introduction that he'd watched the wrong movie. Not Lost in Translation.
Speaker 1: He watched Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas for reasons
Speaker 1: that I only really known to Dan Connell. Still a
Speaker 1: fun episode, that one, though, And this one was a
Speaker 1: great one. I loved that it was almost a conversation
Speaker 1: I was hoping to have that where it was a
Speaker 1: lot of movie talk but also around the themes of
Speaker 1: the movie. And so much going on behind the camera
Speaker 1: in Lisson translation and also on camera. It is such
Speaker 1: a rewatchable film. To borrow a phrase from the podcast,
Speaker 1: thank you for listening to you and see nothing yet
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Speaker 1: lot of ossie comedians. Maybe they go to Edinburgh and
Speaker 1: then they stay there. But Monty Franklin journeyed to the
Speaker 1: City of Lights, to Los Angeles and started applying his
Speaker 1: craft over there. I have met him kind of sporadically
Speaker 1: over the years. I hung out with him and saw
Speaker 1: him do comedy with a Knight. I think myself and
Speaker 1: Tommy Little were over in LA and we hung out
Speaker 1: with Monty. Great guy, funny guy. Got a movie coming
Speaker 1: up about the Emy Wars that he's written with John
Speaker 1: Clees and Rob Schneider. Believe it or not, I wasn't
Speaker 1: expecting that that should be a hoot. There's another EMU
Speaker 1: Wars film that's been has been out, which I think
Speaker 1: started as a web series and then they turned it
Speaker 1: into a film that's got a lot of great people
Speaker 1: in it as well. This will be I think, a
Speaker 1: bit of a different beast. We'll talk a bit about
Speaker 1: that next week. But Monty Franklin will be joining us.
Speaker 5: He's in town.
Speaker 1: We've nabbed him and he will be chatting about a
Speaker 1: movie that I've been wanting to cover for a while.
Speaker 1: We're going back to Paul Newman again because Paul Newman
Speaker 1: is a beautiful man and beautiful to watch, and this
Speaker 1: is one that I've seen. I watched when I was
Speaker 1: a bit younger. I love it. Guns and Roses fans
Speaker 1: know it. Cool Hand Luke. That's right, Paul Newman, Cool
Speaker 1: Hand Luke. It's a cracking film. If you love Shawshank
Speaker 1: Redemption and you haven't in Cool Hand Luke, check out
Speaker 1: Cool Hand Luke before you listen to the podcast. It's
Speaker 1: a beauty. I love it. Can't wait to chat the
Speaker 1: Monty about it. It's gonna be a big one Monty
Speaker 1: Franklin next week, Cool Hand Luke. Until then, back an
Speaker 1: hour and so we leave Old Pete safe and soult
Speaker 1: and to our friends of the radio audience, we've been
Speaker 1: a pleasant good night