1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: If you're listening to How I work, I imagine you're 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: the kind of person who lives a pretty busy life. 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: And if you're busy, you're possibly also constantly struggling to 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: make time for your health and well being. Whether you 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: can't sit still for five minutes of meditation, or you 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: have no idea how people manage to fit ninety minutes 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: of weight training into every workday, You're not alone. So 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: how does Sam Wood stay so fit? You might remember 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Sam when he graced our TV screens on The Bachelor app. 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: Sam then went on to create the mega successful twenty 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: eight by Sam Wood, an all encompassing health and fitness app. 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: Sam also hosts The Wood Life, a brilliant podcast about 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: all things health. Oh and he's got four daughters running 14 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: around too, So how does he run an entire wellbeing 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 1: empire and still find time for his own health, fitness 16 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: and family. My name is doctor Amanthea Immer. I'm an 17 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: organizational psychologist and the founder of behavioral science consultancy Inventium, 18 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: and this is How I Work, a show about how 19 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: to help you do your best work. So when I 20 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: conducted this interview with Sam, his youngest daughter was just 21 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: three months old, and when we met at the studio 22 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: he looked very fresh and full of energy. So I 23 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: wanted to know how on earth this was the case. 24 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's an illusion. I'll tell you that right now. 25 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: The answer I gave you add in the foyer was 26 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: absolutely the only real answer, and that is my wife 27 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: is incredible and she's superwoman and has somehow given me 28 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: a little bit of sleep. I did wake up with 29 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: my four year old this morning. I'm not even sure 30 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: she shares this thing. It's like something out of the 31 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,279 Speaker 2: sixth sense. She just appears and she's she's the most 32 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 2: silent walker, and she watches you sleep, and her height 33 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 2: is probably not that far off my lying in bed height, 34 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: and I'll open my eyes and her eyes are about 35 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: two inches from my face and I'll say, well, what 36 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: are you doing. She's like hi, daddy, and I'm like 37 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: you want to get in? Yeah, little nod anyway, So 38 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 2: I sleep quite well with her. She's when she falls asleep, 39 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: she's a fidgitter until she falls asleep, but when she's 40 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: already tired, she's actually very cozy and warm. So I 41 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: had a very cute little night sleep with my little 42 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: four year old last night and feeling pretty good. 43 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: That's good. What daily rituals do you have around your 44 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: health and well being? 45 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, well sleep, sleeps one of them. I think with sleep, 46 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: it's about what happens the day before. I think in 47 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 2: a year year a consequence from a sleep perspective of 48 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: what you did in the lead up to going to bed. 49 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: And I think the biggest mistake we make with sleep 50 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: is the scrolling through social media and the Netflix binging, 51 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 2: when you kind of say to yourself, I can't go 52 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: to bed before eleven thirty or twelve o'clock, And there's 53 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: probably it's much easier to find an hour at that 54 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: time of the day than it is to find an 55 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: hour at some other part of the day. So yeah, 56 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 2: I mean I don't have baths and meditator or anything 57 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: like that, but I make sure I don't have any 58 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: screen time in the last hour before bed, and I 59 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 2: make sure that none of that is happening. So if 60 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: I know I want to go to bed eleven o'clock, 61 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: I won't do any of that between ten and eleven o'clock, 62 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: And and I have some great conversations at that time 63 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: because none of that stuff's going on. We're usually pretty 64 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: tight and delirious, but we have some really good chats, 65 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: my wife and I and yeah, reading and I love 66 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: to read, but I can't read lots, you know. I 67 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: find I find ted pages and I'm usually conked out 68 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: at the end of the day. But I do like 69 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: to read, and I do like to get off the 70 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: screen time at that time of the day. And then 71 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: from a that's sort of the catapult, if you like, 72 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: for mornings, because I'm a massive morning person, moving in 73 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: the morning, and then all of those same principles applying 74 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: to working in the morning. I'm a massive believery Now 75 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: at the moment, I'm my normal schedule of trying to 76 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 2: get into the office at eight o'clock in the morning 77 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: and hitting the ground running is not happening because we 78 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: have a three month old. As she said, little Harper 79 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 2: is only very new, so I'm doing school drop offs 80 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: and all of that kind of thing to help out 81 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 2: stairs and as I should. So everything's just been pushed 82 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: back a little bit. But that doesn't mean I compromise. 83 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: I still get up before the rest of the family, 84 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 2: and I'll make sure I exercise from six to seven, 85 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: and whether it's a run with the dog, or it's 86 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 2: going up to our little home gym above the garage 87 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 2: and doing a workout, or even going out to my 88 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: own gym doing the early class and being back before 89 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: sort of anyone else rises. I'll make sure I get 90 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 2: that exercise in. And it's so much for my mental health, 91 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: is my physical health. I think it wakes me up, 92 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: It gives me energy, It puts me in a good mood, 93 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: and I feel like something's missing when I haven't done it. 94 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: I'm a bit of a creature of habit and I 95 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: think that's one of my good habits and it really 96 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: sets me up for the day. And I do that 97 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: seven days a week. It doesn't matter if it's a 98 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: workday or a school day or not. I'll you know, 99 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: might work out a little bit later on a Saturday Sunday. 100 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: But I just don't sleep in it. I like to 101 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: get up and get amongst it. 102 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: So with your seven days of exercise, how do you 103 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: break that up between CaTiO strength based training? What are 104 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: your routines there? 105 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: So I don't even look at it as exercise. I'll 106 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: get a movement, you know. Some of those that might 107 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: be a bike ride around the park with Willow that 108 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,559 Speaker 2: might be a sixty minute walk with my dog listening 109 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: to a podcast, you know, or it could be I'll 110 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: try and do at least three strength training sessions a week. 111 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 2: As I get older, I feel my body responds really 112 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: well to staying strong and maintaining some muscle and better 113 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: for my posture, and the more lean muscle I have, 114 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: the easier it is to you know, not put on 115 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: too much fat around the belly and that kind of stuff. 116 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: And then I'll try and do two higher intensity sessions 117 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 2: that are usually a bit of a hybrid between some 118 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: endurance work. It might be some boxing or some body 119 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: weight exercises, or some intervals on the treadmill or the 120 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: roller or the bike. And then you're too much more relaxed, casual, 121 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 2: still burning calories, but just going nice and slow, and 122 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: it's almost it's almost a bit of an active meditation, 123 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: just getting out and burning some calories and getting some 124 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: fresh air and some sunshine. 125 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: Do you have mornings where you just don't feel like 126 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: exercising or moving? 127 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? Lots. Yeah. 128 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: How do you push through that? What strategies are you using? 129 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: I'm quite good at bottling in a weird way, the 130 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 2: feeling I have when I finish, you know, like whenever 131 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: I initi a hard workout in particular, I'll take a 132 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: little moment of reflection to God, I feel so good 133 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: right now. Like I hated that, and I was dreading that, 134 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: and I nearly didn't do that, but I did it, 135 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: and I'm kind of proud of myself for doing it. 136 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: And I sort of bottle that feeling and that's and 137 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: I then draw on that feeling when I need it 138 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: in the mornings. But again, I'll listen to my body 139 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: a bit. You know, I'm pretty flexible with it. You know, 140 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: I'll know if I'm really not feeling it, I might 141 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: just take the dog for a walk, you know, which 142 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: to me is completely pleasurable and there's no real discomfort there. 143 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: I enjoy every second of it. Get a coffee, go 144 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: for a walk, whatever it might be. Whereas, if I'm 145 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: feeling a bit more motivated, I'll challenge myself with one 146 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: of those harder workouts that we spoke about. But you know, 147 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: one of the bits of advice I give to tens 148 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: of thousands of people nearly weekly is it's the workouts 149 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: you do on the days that you don't feel like 150 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: at the count the most and I almost you know, 151 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: have that imprinted on my own brain. But I also 152 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: it just gets easier over time. I genuinely believe that, 153 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: you know, once this does become a habit, I don't 154 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: there's not too much thought involved. I mean, I don't 155 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: wake up and have this you know, debate with myself 156 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: or there's not too much doing and throwing. You know, 157 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: you know you need to do this, but do you 158 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: really It's kind of just like, yeah, this is just 159 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 2: what I do now, and and yeah, I really do 160 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: feel it mentally. You know, the physical side of things 161 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: is great, but there wouldn't be that much of a 162 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: different physical benefit if I'm trained at midday. It would 163 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: just be less lucky to happen, and the world gets 164 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: chaotic and all these crazy things happen and then disrupts 165 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: your working day and all these other things. So and 166 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 2: I wouldn't feel as good mentally. I just I'm a 167 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 2: bit grumpy in the mornings, you know, when I say, 168 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: I go and exercise and then I get with the 169 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: rest of my family. That's to everyone's benefit. I'm a 170 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: bit you know, I'm a bit of a slow waker 171 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: opera and I think, you know, getting some water in 172 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: and having a black coffee and getting some exercise in 173 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: and then having the energy to tackle for crazy kids 174 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 2: and a wife trying to juggle it at all is 175 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: a good thing for all involved. 176 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: I like the idea that it's every day and it 177 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: just it's just what you do. It reminds me I've 178 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: had me a freedman on a couple of times, and 179 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: for her, she exercises every day, and one of the 180 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: reasons why she does that is there's no room to negotiate. 181 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: It's not like should I exercise because of course you 182 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: exercise because it's an everyday routine. And I thought that 183 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:44,359 Speaker 1: was quite interesting. 184 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: I love that black and white rules are much better. 185 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: Gray rules are dangerous, I think, and I see that 186 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 2: with lots of people that I work with every day, 187 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 2: work with in the office, but work with to help 188 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: them get into good habits. And I agree with me. 189 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: I think, if you can tell yourself, no, let's just 190 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 2: make today one of the two days I don't exercise, 191 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: it's very easy for that argument to sneak into your 192 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: head almost daily. Whereas if that argument doesn't exist because 193 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: there's seven days in a week and you move your 194 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: body seven times, I think, I think that I can 195 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: understand exactly where she's coming from, and I agree with 196 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 2: it totally. 197 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: Where else do you use that those black and white 198 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: rules or black and white thinking to your advantage in 199 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: how you approach your work or how you approach just 200 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: general health and well being. 201 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: I'm a little bit more flexible with work, and I 202 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 2: think the reason is I'm reliant on more people. And 203 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: you know, I've got two different businesses and sixty staff. 204 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: And I think you can't be too rigid because it's like, oh, 205 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: the world arroves around Sam and you know I moved 206 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: for him for a meeting last week, but he's not 207 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: willing to, you know, return the favor this week. You've 208 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: got to be a bit flexible. And you know, I 209 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: do podcasts and all these other things where you kind 210 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 2: of you need to work around guest availability and all 211 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: these things. And I love doing I love the variety 212 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 2: and the the you know, the spread of everything that 213 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: I do. It's that it keeps me saying I don't 214 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: like doing the same thing too much. But in principle, 215 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 2: you know, I call them my power hours. The morning 216 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: is where I get most of my work done, and 217 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: you know, particularly hours of dat. You know, from nine 218 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 2: till it used to be from eight, but now it's say, 219 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: from nine to one. I try to, you know, do 220 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 2: all of my most important stuff in those four hours, 221 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: so all of my important meetings, all of my urgent 222 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 2: email responses, not get distracted by any social media or 223 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: any innovation at that time. It's more like this stuff 224 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: that's absolutely what needs to be done. And then if 225 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: it's so. For example, at the moment, we're looking for 226 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: retreat venues for our next wellness retreat that we want 227 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: to hold here in Victoria, and that's a new you 228 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 2: an exciting thing, and it's really fun. You know, you're 229 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 2: visiting venuesn't it. But I'll make sure I don't do 230 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 2: that before lunchtime because it'll take up a whole one 231 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 2: of those You know, we're only talking about twenty hours 232 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: in my week. It's not a sixty hour work week 233 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 2: or anything. It's just twenty really efficient hours. And if 234 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: I can get that done, it's almost like what happens 235 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: after that time doesn't matter. Now, of course it does, 236 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: but I've almost given such a good, clear, concise version 237 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: of myself to everyone that needs me or to any 238 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 2: responses that are needed, or any writing that needs to 239 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: be done in those hours. That then I can spend 240 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: some time doing some fun marketing stuff for my gym, 241 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: or visit venues for a wellness retreat, or you know, 242 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,359 Speaker 2: work with the marketing team on some fun new merchandise 243 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 2: or whatever it is. It's almost like the icing on 244 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: the cake. It's not the cake because I've worked on 245 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: the cake for the four hours each day. 246 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: How do you decide what goes into those four hours? 247 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: Really comes back to what is the core of my 248 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: business and what is the best the best use of 249 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: my time? Where am I serving the core of that 250 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 2: business best? And for me, that is you know, I've 251 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: got a very simple business. It's an online fitness program. 252 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: And effectively, we have three ways that that business can improve, 253 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 2: and that is we get new members on the program, 254 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: we keep existing members on the program longer, or we 255 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: get old members on the program back on the program. 256 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: And you know, of course there's a million ways to 257 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: do each of those three things, and it's never that simple. 258 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: But if I'm spending time doing one of doing something 259 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 2: that is attributing to one of those three things, that's 260 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: a really good use of my time. And if I'm not, 261 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: then that should be part of the icing that's happening 262 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: after one o'clock. 263 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: I like the idea that you're doing all the important 264 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: stuff in the morning, and that almost like the afternoons 265 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: are guilt free, like you could be doing anything, even 266 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: though that's theoretically part of a typical eight hour workday. 267 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: I find that a really interesting mindset and it helps. 268 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: It helps a lot because I used to be really guilty, 269 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: and I used to be really bad. I used to 270 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: I'd be damned if I did damned if I didn't. 271 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 2: I'd either be not spending time with my kids and 272 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: then feeling guilty about not spending time with my kids, 273 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 2: or spending time with my kids and feeling guilty that 274 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 2: I should still at work and I it wasn't making 275 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: me very happy or very productive, you know, either to 276 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: be honest, you know, if you're with your kids but 277 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: you're not truly present, what's the point. I mean, they 278 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: can pick it up in her heart, but they don't 279 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: miss a trick. Or if you're missing out on important 280 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: work stuff and you know, the guilt happens the other way, 281 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: that doesn't work either. So I mean, for example, my 282 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: little girl Charlie had her third birthday on Saturday and 283 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: she got a new bike, and I've taken her bike 284 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: ridding every day after school pickup this week and there 285 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: hasn't been a a second of guilt and it's just 286 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: been it's been great to do that. So to be 287 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: how to do that every day and still know you've 288 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: been highly productive is a great feeling. 289 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: We will be back with Sam soon talking about how 290 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: he manages his social media presence and also how he 291 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: learned to deal with the paparazzi and media after being 292 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: the Bachelor. If you're looking for more tips to improve 293 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: the way that you work, I write a short fortnightly 294 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: newsletter that contains three cool things that I've discovered that 295 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: helped me work better, ranging from software and gadgets that 296 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: I'm loving through the interesting research findings. You can sign 297 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: up for that at Howiwork dot com. That's how I 298 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: Work dot co now. As well as having two businesses, 299 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: you are a brand and a business. I guess in 300 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: your own right as Sam would, and I'd love to 301 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: talk about social I was on your Instagram last night 302 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: because I knew that I was interviewing you today and 303 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: looking at this very aspirational healthy life, and I'd love 304 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: to know how do you think about what you will 305 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: post and what you will share? 306 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: It's interesting. I go through peaks and troughs a little bit. 307 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: A lot of people tell me you'd be much better 308 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: off posting more, and I get exactly where they're coming from. 309 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: But I have days or weeks where I'll post ten 310 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: times a day, you know, my inster story, and then 311 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: other weeks where I go completely missing, and it's I 312 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 2: think it's it becomes very time consuming, very but if 313 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 2: you get someone else to do it, it loses all its authenticity. 314 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: So it really does sort of need to be you. 315 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: So it's a bit of a time thing. It depending 316 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: on what other projects are going on. But I mean, 317 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: I'm a huge I don't like social media. In fact, 318 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 2: I hate it, and if I didn't have twenty eight, 319 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 2: i'd get off all social media forever and never have it. 320 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: I hate it, So why do you hate it so much? 321 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: I just think it does so much more harm than 322 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: good to people from you know, I've got a teenage daughter. 323 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 2: I see how it impacts her. I've got three other 324 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 2: little girls who will one day be teenage daughters, and 325 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: I would give my left leg that they didn't ever 326 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: get on social media, but I know they will. So 327 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 2: it's about, you know, managing that as best as a 328 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: parent can in this world that we live in. But 329 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: I just and at the same time, I'm never I'm 330 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: not sitting here. I don't want people to go, oh mate, 331 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 2: Without social media, you probably wouldn't even have I wouldn't. 332 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: I'm not. Probably I wouldn't have the business I have, 333 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 2: all the success that I've had without social media. So 334 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: I'm absolutely not saying social media has been wonderful for me. 335 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 2: But if I had the choice, I wouldn't. I wouldn't 336 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 2: have it. I just I don't. I don't think it does. 337 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 2: I know, you continually compare yourself to others. You're continually 338 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: focusing on a world that's not even a real world 339 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: of someone else's life, and you miss your own life. 340 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: And you know, I just think. You know, when I 341 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 2: don't have my phone and I go for a walk 342 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 2: with a dog, or I take the kids for a 343 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 2: bike ride and you don't have things beeping and distractions 344 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 2: sort of all the time, it is just such a 345 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: powerful reminder to what laugh's all about and the simple 346 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: little pleasures that you can that you can find and 347 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 2: I think when you're just into that social media of vortex, 348 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: it's so hard to pull yourself out. And yeah, I'm 349 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: not a fan. 350 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: So given that, like when whenever you post something, it's 351 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: it's being beamed out to hundreds of thousands of engaged 352 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: fans and followers, how do you decide what to put out? 353 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: I don't think about it that much. I mean, I'm 354 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: not terribly strategic with it, and it stands thinks I 355 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 2: I should think about it more because she loves how 356 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 2: sort of Grid looks and all this kind of stuff. 357 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 2: Mine's a bit of a dog's breakfast. But I mean, 358 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: I like I like being I know, a lot of 359 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 2: people follow us as a family, and that started as 360 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 2: a couple with and then with Ev and we get 361 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: so many beautiful comments, you know, and I realized it's lovely, 362 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 2: you know, like there's a real connection to all these people, 363 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 2: you know, whether there are people on my twenty eight 364 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 2: program or that just follow us through our social media platforms, 365 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 2: you know. And it all sort of started. We were 366 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 2: overwhelmed by how many single mums reached out to Basnag 367 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: and when we got together, because she was a single 368 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: mum when we met on the show, and I'm talking 369 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: about thousands of single mums saying, seeing your relationship and 370 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: now seeing that it wasn't just a TV thing, it's 371 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: it's real, has given me faith that I will one 372 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: day on someone again when I'd almost given up hope. 373 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 2: Like lots of beautiful comments like that that you just 374 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,239 Speaker 2: I never would have thought, you know, just naively. I mean, 375 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: it made sense to me when I heard the comments, 376 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 2: but that's something that never would have entered my mind, 377 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: and it really gave you opened up a thought, Oh, 378 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 2: look at the you know, I just it must be 379 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 2: so hard. And then that would stimulate a conversation between 380 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 2: Snez and I. She's like, yeah, to be honest, I 381 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: didn't think i'd ever meet anyone. You know, I totally 382 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 2: understand where these you know, lots of women single mums 383 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: are coming from, because I was the same. You know, 384 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: I wasn't really looking for someone. I was very content 385 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 2: with it just being Evy and I for the rest 386 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: of our lives. And you know, that's just one example. 387 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 2: But when when you can connect with people on that 388 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: sort of level, and then obviously I get to know 389 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 2: them at an even deeper level when they join my 390 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: program and it's a real family and their genuine friendships 391 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 2: and genuine relationships that there's some really good that can 392 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: come out of it, don't get me wrong. And the 393 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 2: reach is just crazy. It's just it's hard to find 394 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 2: the off switch, and it's only getting harder, and there's 395 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: only getting more and more social media platforms at once, 396 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 2: which means, you know, it's now seven things rather than 397 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 2: two things, and I think it's only gonna get worse. 398 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: As most people would tell you it was correct, So yeah, 399 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 2: I I don't know. I'm just a bit old school. 400 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 2: I like quality time, face to face with people and 401 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 2: not getting too caught up in what the Kardashians are 402 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: up to, so that's sort of my preference. But at 403 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: the same time, I absolutely acknowledge how much it's helped 404 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: me and helped business and how much it can connect 405 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: you to people. So I'm a bit torn with it. 406 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,239 Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't overthink what I put out what 407 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 2: I put out there. Really, it's more just sharing things 408 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 2: that I find funny or I find sweet, and if 409 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: you find them funny or sweet, that's nice to share. 410 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 2: But I don't overly care if you do or you don't. 411 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: You know, people message you and go that was stupid, 412 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 2: but I'm going to unfollow you. I literally don't give 413 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: that a second thought. I've developed pretty thick skin over 414 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: the last eight years since the Bachelor. It was such 415 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 2: a sharp, intense, you know, rise in notoriety and everyone 416 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 2: know who you were. Literally almost in about seven days 417 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: from complete anonymity to that was just so full on 418 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 2: that if you survive it, and not everyone does because 419 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 2: it's pretty full on. I'm actually having having a breakfast 420 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 2: tomorrow with Matt who Matt ag knew he was a 421 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: bachelor on the season just a couple of years ago, 422 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: and he's the loveliest bloke. He's an astrophysicist, so way 423 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: too much to be a bachelor. But he really struggled 424 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: after the show and he had depression and he sort 425 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 2: of went into a bit of a recluse and he's 426 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 2: coming good now. But yeah, I'm having breaking with him 427 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 2: tomorrow to sort of not not to check it. I'm 428 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: not you're bloke and seeing her. He's going he's just 429 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 2: a friend of mine now and we're doing a work 430 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: out at my gym and then going out for breakfast. 431 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 2: And be nice to catch up. But I'm curious to 432 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: see how he's getting on with it all after sort 433 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 2: of taking some time out, and he's gone and done 434 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: other things and tried to get away from the limelight 435 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 2: because he really didn't like it. 436 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: What were the hardest things for you from going from 437 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: someone that could walk down the street and go to 438 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: the supermarket unnoticed to absolutely not being able to do 439 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: that anymore. 440 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't mind it until your kids are involved. 441 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: That's kind of where the line gets crossed in my eyes. 442 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: And the paparazzi are assholes. I think I'm happy to 443 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 2: make that statement and make it as a blanket statement. 444 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 2: I've never met a nice one. They're just I get 445 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: it's their job. Again, they get paid to get a photo, 446 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 2: but they have no boundaries, you know. They would wait outside, 447 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 2: they would bribe people at the airport to find out 448 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: what flight were on, and they'd be jamming cameras in 449 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: their faces. Second you get off a plane with your kids, 450 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 2: they would be camped outside my gym. They would be 451 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 2: camped inside our house. They would nearly run us off 452 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 2: the road trying to follow us through traffic when we're 453 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 2: trying to just be by ourselves. It was pretty horrendous. 454 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like that now. And I get 455 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: they were getting paid a lot of money when we 456 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: were so relevant in the Australian media landscape. I totally 457 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: get it, and you know, each to their own, but 458 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 2: they're just you can't you know, the more you try, 459 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: and I'd try and naively try and reason with them, like, guys, 460 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: give us a break. You know, they're literally a bit robotic, 461 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 2: like there'd be no compassion, no care for how this 462 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 2: was impacting you at all. So it made until your 463 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 2: photo doesn't get me a lot of money, I'm getting 464 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: your photo and you just deal with it, and so 465 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,719 Speaker 2: you kind of I don't know I've said this before, 466 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 2: but it actually just makes you go inward a little bit. 467 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 2: And that I don't mean I wasn't the same bubbly 468 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: confident person, but I just wanted to spend time with 469 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 2: my friends and family that knew me before this show, 470 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: and I had no really interest in going out to 471 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 2: places where you're going to get spotted and photographed. It 472 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: was more come over to our house for a dinner 473 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 2: party and people, you know, So we just did a 474 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 2: lot more of that. 475 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: You're seen as obviously a very aspirational couple, and I 476 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: think it's you know, it's it's you know, for me, 477 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: I don't watch a lot of reality TV, but certainly, 478 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: like with with any kind of a dating show, I 479 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: think everyone's surprised when the couple ends up staying together. 480 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: What what rituals or things that you do regularly, Like 481 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: do you still do as a couple to maintain that connection. 482 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: We have a babysitter come on a Wednesday night. Wednesday 483 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 2: Night's date night. Yeah, I mean going back to my 484 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: morning routine at work. I mean that does allow Snares 485 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 2: and I to even if it's picking up the kids 486 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 2: together from school or you know, something a lot of 487 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 2: couples get get to do when you haven't been a 488 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 2: dad and then you you know, school pick up and 489 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 2: that kind of thing. I think it's a real eye 490 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 2: opn't it, because you're you're looking around it even childcare 491 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 2: more so, you know, I pick up Charlie usually around 492 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: four o'clock and she's one of the first kids picked up, 493 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 2: and you know, all of the other kids sort of 494 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: swarm to you and like tell you know, Charlie, Dad's here. 495 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 2: And then they're like calling you dad and you're not 496 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 2: their dad. It's funny, this funny experience. But they're beautiful, 497 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: you know. But they're more saying my dad will be 498 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 2: his soon or my mum be his own. But there's 499 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 2: been one occasion where I had to pick up Charlie 500 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 2: at five point thirty. That was just a one off 501 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 2: thing and she was still there and there was probably 502 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: still ten kids there, and it was this real and 503 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 2: of course, I mean it was just dumb in my eyes. 504 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 2: I get there at four and everyone else gets there 505 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: at four thirty. 506 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: I don't know why. 507 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: It was sort of stupid. But because of that flexibility 508 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: I have having my own business, and because of you know, 509 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: the team that I have around me, and you know, 510 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: so many people I'm grateful for that allow me to 511 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 2: do this. It's just a real eye opener, I think. 512 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: And then that carries over into the stuff snation I 513 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: can do as well, and it's always it's always what 514 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: my greatest fear was as a personal trainer. I remember, 515 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 2: before all of this, I was a personal trainer for 516 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: sixteen years doing kids fitness stuff and adult stuff and 517 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 2: I mean I was doing five thirty am starts and 518 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: working till eleven twelve, training myself, doing having lunch, training 519 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: kids and then adults again from sort of three to 520 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 2: eight Saturday mornings. My books would be full as well. 521 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: I'd be doing sixty or seventy one on one appointments 522 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 2: a week, and I just remember doing that in my 523 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,479 Speaker 2: mid twenties, and a lot of the trainers that I 524 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 2: worked with were in their sort of late thirties early forties, 525 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 2: and a lot of them would say to me, I've 526 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 2: got this idea, which is the idea that's going to 527 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 2: get me out of here. And five years later they 528 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 2: were still telling me about this idea that was the 529 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 2: idea that was going to get them out of here, 530 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: and I'm like, they're not getting out of here. There's 531 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 2: a lot of talk, there's not much action. Some of 532 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 2: them did, but you know, that was quite common that 533 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 2: that was what I was hearing and that's what I 534 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: was seeing. And I just remember thinking, as a sort 535 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 2: of twenty six year old, twenty seven year old, I 536 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: cannot be working where it's an hourly rate on an 537 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 2: appointment basis for I have to do a split shift, 538 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,239 Speaker 2: which is basically what it was going to be if 539 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: I was still just doing PT when I've got kids, 540 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 2: I won't see them. I probably won't have a great 541 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 2: relationship because I won't see my wife either, but I 542 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: literally will not I will never be able to pick 543 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 2: up at the kids are from school. I've dropped them 544 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 2: off at school. I mean, I walked to my little 545 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: girl to school this morning, and it's just one of 546 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 2: the most beautiful you know, she's completely yours what she's 547 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 2: excited about, and picking her up's even better. Aca she 548 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: just vomits this beautyful. It's probably not the right word, 549 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: but you know, it just tells you everything that she's 550 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 2: done with such excitement and such detail, and she's not 551 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: tired yet, and she's not distracted yet because she hasn't 552 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 2: got home and we only live probably five hundred meters 553 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: from the school, so you know, I walk with the 554 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 2: dog and I pick her up and we walk back 555 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: and it's just it's my favorite part of the day. 556 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: So you know, I'm so grateful that I can do 557 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 2: that with my kids. And you know, I don't care 558 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 2: if they realize that or appreciated. I'm sure they will 559 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: one day looking back, maybe, but for me, it's a 560 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 2: it's a real treat. 561 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: It's really it's very beautiful and I can I can 562 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: totally relate in terms of doing my own school pick 563 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: up with my daughter. It's it's seeing her come out 564 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: of the school gate is always a highlight. 565 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: When they see you. Yeah. 566 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love to know. Like I mean, in the 567 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: world of health and fitness, there's always some new gadget 568 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: or some new technology or some new trend coming out. 569 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: How do you stay on top of what are the 570 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: leadest things that might be worth experimenting with. 571 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting one because I think sometimes they 572 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: can make things worse. Because one of the reasons I 573 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 2: think my twenty eight program has been so successful is 574 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: it's very simple, and we call ourselves the personal trainer 575 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 2: in your pocket because it's about, you know, to go 576 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 2: back like, I don't really do that much differently now 577 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 2: to what I did as a personal trainer. I just 578 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: have this wonderful capability to have fifteen thousand people work 579 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 2: out with me in their lanterms every day rather than 580 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 2: one person work out with me at the same time 581 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 2: in the gym. And you know, I always had such 582 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 2: a wonderful connection with my face to face clients, and 583 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: I loved training them as much as I never want 584 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: to do it. When I had kids, I actually loved 585 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: it in the moment, but I kept getting told, what 586 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 2: are you going to do? You can't clone yourself And 587 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 2: twenty eight has allowed me to clone myself and now 588 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 2: allows me to have fifteen thousand sand woods in fifteen 589 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 2: thousand and one on one situations. And so, to answer 590 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: your question, Anthea, it is what can increase the personal 591 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 2: connection to our twenty eights And if the answer is 592 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 2: it's not going to do that, it's a bit of 593 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: a tech fad because a lot you get we get 594 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 2: thrown a lot of these things, you know, whether it's 595 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 2: you know, virtual reality sort of training and that stuff. 596 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 2: One the technology is relatively new, you know, I'm talking 597 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: about you know, people wearing masks and feeling like they're 598 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: working out boxing against you and all this kind of stuff. 599 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 2: I just feel at the moment it probably overcomplicates things 600 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 2: and the value to the costs just doesn't necessarily weigh up, 601 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 2: you know, even you know, bots and all this other 602 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 2: stuff you know about how you're communicating with your members. 603 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 2: I feel like everyone's you know, we have eight full 604 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: time customer service people that work seven days a weekday 605 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 2: and night on the twenty eight program, which is very 606 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 2: rare for a tech program because the whole thing is 607 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: keeping your costs down because they're online. We sort of 608 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 2: go the other way. We charge people a little bit 609 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 2: more per month because we provide this real level of 610 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: personal service and personal care. So I'll spend a lot 611 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: of my time with our customer service team so they 612 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: know exactly how to help those people give them the 613 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 2: right answers, whether it's you know, they're spending time with 614 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: our nutrition as to where they're spending time with me 615 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 2: from an exercise prescription perspective, or they're spending time with 616 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 2: the tech team and help improve people's tech experience. But 617 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 2: everybody's getting in shape journey is so individual that if 618 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 2: you try to let technology do it all, it actually 619 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 2: really I think it's the experience worse and less personal. 620 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, we of course we keep our eye across things. 621 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:12,239 Speaker 2: I mean, everything's getting better from streaming speeds to you know, 622 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 2: for us, it's more we spend a lot of time 623 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 2: in data and looking at individuals behavior data and then 624 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 2: how we can customize what we serve to them based 625 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 2: on them telling us what they like. Similar to Netflix 626 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 2: recommend a TV show based on another TV show that 627 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 2: you like. We spend a lot of time doing that. 628 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 2: We see that you clearly love dance Fit, so you 629 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 2: might like this because it's a very similar workout style, 630 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: and it seems like a lot of people that like 631 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 2: dance Fit like this. Or we see that this recipe 632 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 2: or these recipes could be appealing to you because we 633 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 2: see what snacks you chose to cook on the weekend 634 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 2: or whatever it might be. So yeah, just personalizing that. 635 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: But so it happens in a really nice, not sales 636 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 2: way where it's almost like, oh, it's like they know 637 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: what I'm thinking before I know what I'm thinking. You know, 638 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 2: that's ultimately where we'd like to get to, and it's 639 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 2: a never ending sort of search, but we're getting better 640 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 2: all the time. 641 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 1: I'd love to know when you were working one on 642 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: one with clients in the gym. I imagine that motivation 643 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,720 Speaker 1: must be challenging. Sometimes I feel like I'm an anomaly. 644 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: I've got a trainer that I see three times a 645 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: week and I think I'm the only client. It's like, 646 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: can we just do a bit more leg press or 647 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: another hack squad, please, James. I'm strange, but I imagine that 648 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: is not the norm. What did you do to motivate 649 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: people when they just don't feel like working out? 650 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had pretty good clients, and part of I 651 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 2: think part of it was I was sort of full, 652 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 2: which allowed me to be pretty hard on people when 653 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 2: I was inducting them or screening them or meeting them 654 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 2: for the first time. And it was an unusual for 655 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 2: me to send people away and say you're not ready yet, 656 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 2: call me when you're ready. And they'd be shocked because 657 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 2: I'm prepared to give you four hundred and fifty dollars 658 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 2: a week for three sessions. I'm like, it's not about 659 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 2: your money. You're clearly not here and ready to make 660 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 2: a change, and I don't want to waste your time. 661 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 2: I don't want to waste Mike. I'd be pretty blunt 662 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 2: with them. 663 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: How could you tell that they weren't ready to make 664 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: a change, because. 665 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 2: You have that initial sit down and they're already telling 666 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 2: you reasons it's not going to work or reasons it 667 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 2: might fail. They're already sort of saying yeah, but unless 668 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 2: it's that, oh no, I won't be able to commit 669 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 2: to the food staff, or I'm just too busy at work. 670 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 2: And you don't understand. I work as a sea. You know, 671 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 2: it's like that's okay, I probably don't understand. But you're 672 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 2: telling me you want to lose weight, and then we've 673 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 2: reached the first verbal hurdle and you're already giving me 674 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 2: a reason it's probably not going to happen. That's a 675 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 2: massive red flag for me, and it should be a 676 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 2: red flag for you. They always came back and loved 677 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 2: the brutal honesty. Not once did I ever lose someone 678 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 2: or have them offend all. Never hear from them again. 679 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 2: Sometimes it'd be three days later, sometimes it'd be three 680 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 2: months later, but you always heard back from these people. 681 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 2: So for me, it was very much ensuring that they 682 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 2: were bought in at the beginning. And then you know, 683 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 2: I think you know the great thing about a personal 684 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 2: trainer is your job is to make the medicine taste better. 685 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 2: They don't have to think about what they have to do. 686 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 2: You can give them some of their favorites and some 687 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 2: of the stuff that they need to do. You can 688 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 2: make sure you do the hard stuff at the beginning, 689 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 2: and then they finish with something they enjoy and you 690 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 2: finish with a nice, relaxing stretch and you have them 691 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 2: leaving there better than when they walked in. I think 692 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 2: if you do that and then you follow up, I 693 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 2: think the biggest mistake personal trainers don't make his ownly 694 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 2: care about you for the sixty minutes that they're seeing you, 695 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 2: and you never get the nutritional help, or how do 696 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 2: you feel today, and here's some great stretches that might 697 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 2: help you through a bit sore, or I read this 698 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 2: great article yesterday. I was thinking of you. You might want 699 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 2: to read this. You know, that level of care when 700 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 2: you send that stuff to your trainers and you care 701 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 2: about them for the one hundred and sixty five hours 702 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 2: they're not seeing you, is a game changer. And I 703 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 2: think a message to any trainers out there listening. If 704 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 2: you spend as much time doing that as you do 705 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 2: with your one on ones, you'll be really successful. 706 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: Sam. It has been a pleasure sitting down with you 707 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: and hearing about your world. For people that want to 708 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: connect with you in some way or do your program. 709 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: What is the best way for listeners. 710 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 2: To do that. The pleasure's been on mine. If you 711 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 2: want to find out more about my program, it's twenty 712 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 2: out by Samwood dot com. The website's got all the 713 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 2: information there and would love to work with you or 714 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,439 Speaker 2: help you in any way that I can. And even 715 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 2: though we spoke about social media, you probably think I 716 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 2: don't know if I want to Followosek on social media. 717 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 2: It sounds a bit grumpy about it. But if you 718 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 2: want to connect with me on social media, probably best 719 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 2: to just go through Instagram, which is at Sam james 720 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 2: Wood Amazing. 721 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Sam, It's been such a pleasure. 722 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. 723 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: I really loved Sam's approach to structuring his day and 724 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,439 Speaker 1: how he thinks about the different building blocks like an 725 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 1: hour of exercise and then for d and hours of work, 726 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: which allows him to balance being around to do things 727 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: like school pickup. I wonder if listening to Sam's structure 728 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: has given you some ideas about how you might be 729 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: able to do this in your own life and what 730 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: an ideal day might look like where you can balance work, 731 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: health and family. How I Work is produced by Inventing 732 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: with production support from Dead Set Studios. The producer for 733 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 1: this episode was Liam Riordan, and thank you to Matt Nimba, 734 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: who does the audio mix for every episode and makes 735 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: everything sound so much better than it would have otherwise, 736 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: See you next time.