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Speaker 1: Lea Fanocchiaro joins me on the line.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Leah, Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Leah, how has this been exposed as a lie?

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Speaker 2: Well, we know that Brent Potter, the disgraced police minister,

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Speaker 2: very clearly from supermarket operators and bottle shop operators in

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Speaker 2: not been coverage, that there aren't licensing inspectors back filling

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Speaker 2: the role of the palis. Stand out the bottle shops

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Speaker 2: it means he'd been planning this for some time because

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Speaker 3: So Lea, are you saying that right now?

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Speaker 1: In Alice Springs and Catherine, we don't have Palis and

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Speaker 1: we don't have liquor inspectors on those bottle shops.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not full coverage.

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Speaker 3: So there's still around?

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Speaker 1: Sorry, is there still a few around?

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Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sure, but certainly this idea

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Speaker 2: so this is making the community very concerned. Of course,

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Speaker 2: No, it's already it's already heating up. Katie. We had

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Speaker 3: We'll see what we can find out about this. We'll

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Speaker 1: We can also chat to somebody that's on the ground

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Speaker 2: Palis are a very important resource and we want to

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Speaker 1: Bottle shop lea let's move along, Braitling MLA. Joshua Burgoyne

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, Katie, And of course Josh walked out

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Speaker 1: There comments made, though there were comments made yesterday Bye Josh.

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Speaker 3: This whole situation.

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Speaker 1: He said, if I'm correct, and please feel free to

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Speaker 2: Well, well that's right, and so at the time Brent

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Speaker 1: You're not suggesting that the police leaked that information to

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Speaker 1: No no, Well when he spoke when he spoke about

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Speaker 2: But irrespective, I mean, I think Josh was right to

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Speaker 1: Guess what I'm asking though, I guess what I'm asking

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Speaker 2: Well, he may very well have, Katie, And these are

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Speaker 1: A it's a big claim to make. I guess that's

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Speaker 2: that they don't have short or long term plans. And

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Speaker 2: she admitted herself, we're walking into Parliament for two weeks

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Speaker 2: and they don't have any legislation to make our community safer.

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Speaker 2: So the COLP does have plans that we can implement

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Speaker 2: So for example, we've got laws ready to go on

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Speaker 2: strengthening bail. That means, you know, a lot of these

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Speaker 2: crimes that you and your listeners are talking about, Katie,

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Speaker 2: that they're reoffending. And so we've got laws ready to

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Speaker 2: go that we could implement this year. Literally at the

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Speaker 2: end of this year, Katie, if we win within it

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Speaker 2: less than a day, we can get this done in Parliament.

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Speaker 2: Around strengthening bowls so that people aren't continuously getting endless

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Speaker 2: second chances and back out on the street, we can

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Speaker 2: lower the age of criminal responsibility so that young people

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Speaker 2: currently our police's hands are tied and we heard Martin Dole,

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Speaker 2: the Assistant Commissioner, talk about that on your show just

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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. So that is a fact

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Speaker 2: that our police are constrained by the law, and it

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Speaker 2: is a fact that the colp can walk into Parliament

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Speaker 2: if elected in August and fix that. So we've got

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Speaker 2: many plans around bail, around lowering the age, around a

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Speaker 2: parental accountability and ensuring that we are putting the rights

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Speaker 2: of people to be safe above the rights of criminals

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Speaker 2: to be destroying people's line.

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Speaker 1: Lea, is there a way right now, like with these

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Speaker 1: the laws that you're talking on in terms of strengthening bail.

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Speaker 1: I know that you're not in government now. I totally

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Speaker 1: get that, but is there a way right now that

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Speaker 1: something could be introduced to the Parliament this week on

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Speaker 1: you know, from you, from the colp, from the opposition,

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Speaker 2: We have done that so many times, Katie and Labor

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Speaker 2: have voted us down every single time. So we've brought

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Speaker 2: about four pieces of legislation to Parliament every year this

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Speaker 2: that's why our laws are ready to go because we've

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Speaker 2: actually done the work, We've listened to the community, we've

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Speaker 2: And this is so important for territories to understand that

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Speaker 2: Labor does not want to make the territory safer. Labor

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Speaker 2: not willing to deal with these issues. They don't believe

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Speaker 2: they would have done it. These lies, they're telling people

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Speaker 2: just an excuse for their failure to deliver and their

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Speaker 2: failure to act Leah.

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Speaker 1: The Member for Blaine, Mark Turner, joined us on the

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Speaker 1: relating to child neglect and essentially meaning that if children

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Speaker 1: able to charge their parents with neglect. Is that something

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Speaker 2: So we're having a briefing with the members for Blaine.

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Speaker 2: I think it's tomorrow morning to get some greater detail.

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Speaker 2: I've taken a bit of a look at that legislation

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Speaker 2: because Labor will not support it. They will vote it down,

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Speaker 2: and I just want to make sure that it is

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Speaker 2: There's some provisions in there that I think might go

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Speaker 2: very punitive approach. But equally, the CLP is one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent committed to stronger consequences and protecting young people, and

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Speaker 2: so we've got to make sure there is that early

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Speaker 2: and so that's that's a core component of a future

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Speaker 2: CLP government. So we're very open to what he's proposing,

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Speaker 2: but we want to be across the detail. But ultimately,

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Speaker 2: even if it was a magical solution, labor wouldn't support it,

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Speaker 2: So you know, instead we're debating other things that aren't

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Speaker 1: Well, just on that, because we're very fast, running out

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Speaker 1: of time, but just on that. There is going to

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Speaker 1: be some changes as I understand it, to the legislation

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Speaker 1: around the Children's Commissioner. Talk us through that very quickly,

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Speaker 1: if you can, Leah, and whether the CLP is supporting us.

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Speaker 2: Basic this government is so out of touch that instead

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Speaker 2: of dealing with crime, it's brought legislation in that says

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Speaker 2: the Children's commission Commissioner must be an aboriginal person. Now

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Speaker 2: we reject that. We say that it should be the

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Speaker 2: it shouldn't be race based. But this is a government that,

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Speaker 2: instead of focusing on rebuilding our economy or reducing crime,

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Speaker 2: is focused on these types of frivolous exercises that don't

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Speaker 2: make our lives better. And again it just shows them

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Speaker 2: reinforces how out of touch they are. They can't deliver,

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Speaker 2: they won't deliver, they haven't delivered.

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Speaker 1: Leah, just very quickly, the Prime Minister today expected to

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Speaker 1: make a massive announcement four billion dollars for remote housing.

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Speaker 1: How big an impact is that going to make?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the question is how big a hit

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Speaker 2: to the budget is that going to make for territorians

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Speaker 2: Because there's been talk this morning about it being co funded.

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Speaker 2: So is the territory now up for a two billion

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Speaker 2: dollar investment that no one knows about. So we're looking

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Speaker 2: very closely at the detail. Because of course it's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: We need more housing. I've got there's no doubt about that, Katie.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be done. But I think they're being

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Speaker 2: a little bit tricky about who's actually footing the bill here.

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Speaker 1: Lea Finocchio, Opposition leader. Always appreciate your time, particularly on

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Speaker 1: a sitting day.

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Speaker 3: No doubt, we'll talk to you again very soon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Take care of me.

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Speaker 3: Thank you,