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Speaker 1: Doctor Bridget Munroe has always had a love for science

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Speaker 1: spent her early years studying in biomechanics in Australia before

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Speaker 1: her and her family moved to Portland, Oregon to join

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Speaker 1: the Nike Sports Research Laboratory team tests women's products with

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Speaker 1: which simulates multidirectional breast movement, and Hayley, Nike's Female Form

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Speaker 1: thermal mannequin that assesses temperature and sweat zones during exercise.

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Speaker 1: My name is Sophie and I'm the producer here at

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Speaker 1: the Female Athlete Project. On this week's episode, Chloe caught

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Speaker 1: up with Dr Munroe here just what's like to work

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go with doctor Bridget. Welcome to the

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Speaker 3: Thanks Chloe, it's great to meet you, and thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for having me on.

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Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to this chat today. Can you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I grew up in Tasmania, so the small island.

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Speaker 3: also thought to myself, which you'll tell me the nerd

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Speaker 3: in me, but I think I could do a PhD

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Speaker 3: and then go on the tennis circuit. That was probably

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Speaker 3: a big failure. So maybe maybe I wouldn't recommend that

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Speaker 3: for others in the future.

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Speaker 2: Don't prioritize the PhD over your professional sporting career.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for me, it's been amazing, Like it's definitely led

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Speaker 3: me to lots of different places, and I've had an

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Speaker 3: amazing career and I'm still there and it's fun to navigate.

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Speaker 4: But it was an interesting thought at that time.

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Speaker 2: You touched on the reward that comes with when you

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Speaker 2: get things right. Is there a part of your role

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Speaker 2: that you find the most rewarding.

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Speaker 3: So I think if I could just use a quick anecdote,

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Speaker 3: when I have a female come into the lab and

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Speaker 3: let's say we're doing broad testing and I get her

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Speaker 3: to try on different bras, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: you see her face change, her posture change, There's just

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Speaker 3: an instant response, and then I really feel that I'm

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Speaker 3: actually changing the lives of women every single day, And

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Speaker 3: so that is just so rewarding that that person leaves

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Speaker 3: a very different person and thinking about what they could do.

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Speaker 3: They're instantly jumping around, They're wanting to be active, and

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Speaker 3: so it's giving all of those responses that we want

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Speaker 3: to see out in the world, and to me, when

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Speaker 3: I see those things, that's super rewarding. And likewise, when

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Speaker 3: you build those relationships and build that trust, the things

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Speaker 3: that our female athletes tell us that we need to solve,

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Speaker 3: we get much deeper as opposed to the higher level things,

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Speaker 3: and I just think that's really rewarding as well, to

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Speaker 3: really hear what we need to deliver and then for

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Speaker 3: us to think through, Hey, if we delivered this to you,

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Speaker 3: you might not have thought about it, but what do

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Speaker 3: you think? And that's a really fun and exciting space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. We did a mini series recently with some

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Speaker 2: of the Matilda's staff and wanted to get this insight

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Speaker 2: into women working in sport that didn't have to be

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Speaker 2: the athletes and challenging this idea that you have to

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Speaker 2: be an elite athlete to be involved in sport. You're

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Speaker 2: obviously paving the way in the research side of things

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Speaker 2: and innovation. Do you have anything you've learned along the

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Speaker 2: way that you might give as advice to someone younger

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Speaker 2: who wants to get into the industry.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think.

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Speaker 3: For me, I keep coming back to imagine if I

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Speaker 3: knew what I know now, and if all those people

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Speaker 3: around me knew what we know now, and how I

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Speaker 3: could be better supported as an athlete, and how I

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Speaker 3: could maybe navigate career a little bit better.

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Speaker 4: But I know, like, I know I'm contributing, and.

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Speaker 3: I know I love what I do, and I keep

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Speaker 3: getting down to let's take the opportunities, let's get after it,

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Speaker 3: Let's not settle, let's let's go for it. And I

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Speaker 3: think that's really what's happened in my career. It's been

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Speaker 3: a lot of here's an opportunity, let's give it a

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Speaker 3: go and see if it works.

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Speaker 4: Don't be scared of change. It's not always going to

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Speaker 4: be positive.

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Speaker 3: And I think really that's what sport teaches as well, right,

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Speaker 3: Like it's emotional, it's never like you're constantly trying to improve.

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Speaker 3: If you have to deal with triumphs, you can be competitive,

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Speaker 3: but you also have to work out how to navigate some.

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Speaker 4: Of those losses. And so I think that's my big thing.

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Speaker 3: Just imagine that world if you knew more and how

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Speaker 3: that can really help that athlete.

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Speaker 4: And so let's do it together and get up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. Thank you so much for your

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Speaker 2: time today. It's been amazing to get some real insight

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Speaker 2: into the incredible work that you're doing and how that's

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Speaker 2: informing the products that you're putting out. So thank you

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Speaker 2: so much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for having me breach.

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