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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me. Lola Berry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher, join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to fearlessly Failing with Lola Berry.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, who here has heard of tallylu Awesome? Okay,

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Speaker 1: nearly half the room. Okay for those of you that haven't.

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Speaker 1: It's this awesome active where brand. But it's kind of

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Speaker 1: got this like spunk about it. It is. They're obviously

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Speaker 1: Melbourne based girls. It's also like street, really cool street

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Speaker 1: where They've given us a pair of tights to give

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Speaker 1: away as well at the end, so hopefully someone, hopefully

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Speaker 1: you guys win it.

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Speaker 2: These two girls are incredible little go getters and I've

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Speaker 2: just always got good vibes off them, whether it be

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Speaker 2: in a Yogi class or just running in We go

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Speaker 2: to the same coffee place sometimes just running into each other,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like.

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Speaker 1: Your legends. So that is why we have the directors

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Speaker 1: of Tullyloo here. And I make this mistake about people

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Speaker 1: when I introduce them, I introduce them as their Insta handle.

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Speaker 1: It just happened with Bridy before, so I always call

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Speaker 1: Sarah Passini Spinashi. Is that what I call Spassini? So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna welcome Sarah Spassini. Yeah. Matt's like, you got

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Speaker 1: it right. He practiced it with me like four times

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Speaker 1: in the car and Tully Humphrey. Can we give them

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Speaker 1: a big round of applause? Yeah, welcome. That's your waters guys,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Okay, awesome, it's all working. So I just

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Speaker 1: gave the guy the room. I don't know, could you

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Speaker 1: hear it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Awesome? A little taste of you guys. And what Tully

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Speaker 1: Lou was all about in kind of like just before

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Speaker 1: we get into the questions, in a kind of sentence

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Speaker 1: each what is If someone said to you, you're in

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Speaker 1: an interview, what is Tullylu?

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Speaker 3: I would say it's like a fierce act strong far out.

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Speaker 3: I forgot you.

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Speaker 1: On the spot, so I would.

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Speaker 4: Say a fashion forward active where.

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Speaker 1: I like strong and fearless too, though I had fierce.

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Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's what I remember the

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Speaker 1: first time that you guys like were launching and I

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Speaker 1: was like, I feel like daft punk, Like I love

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Speaker 1: it yeah, And I was just like, oh, I feel

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Speaker 1: like and it is not just active where, but it's

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Speaker 1: also straightwe where one hundred percent? Okay, So I also

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Speaker 1: want to know what before tullylu So, I think let's

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Speaker 1: go back to the start. Let's go back to you

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Speaker 1: and I met each other at Bickram yoga when you

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Speaker 1: were my teacher and we were probably both I was

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Speaker 1: probably twenty two or twenty three.

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Speaker 3: I was, yeah, I was probably about.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen yeah, yeah, and I remember Bram has anyone here

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Speaker 1: done Bickram? We were like, it's hard, adding we do

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Speaker 1: like forty day challenges, crazy pants style stuff.

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Speaker 3: That's when we had no life, like time to do

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Speaker 3: ninety minutes and yoga.

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Speaker 1: And we go for coffee after and Tully be like,

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Speaker 1: so I've got this idea I want to do an

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Speaker 1: active wear brand. And I'm like, yeah, like do it then.

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Speaker 1: So we'd have these kind of little motivational kind of

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Speaker 1: like coffees, Yeah, bous, can you do the door?

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Sorry? I keep looking at this door that's open.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, don't worry this seventy it's really interesting

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Speaker 1: for people listening the podcast. You notice sound, You look

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Speaker 1: at sound in such a different way, and little things

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Speaker 1: like everywhere you record, you'll you'll just get to know

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Speaker 1: like trams and you know, like if an elevator is

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Speaker 1: near a room, you just it becomes this. You'come your

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Speaker 1: own kind of like sound engineer or producer. We're lucky though,

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Speaker 1: shout out to boss who does everything. Okay, so tell

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Speaker 1: me about Like, So, I've only known Sarah in recent

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Speaker 1: kind of years, probably last five years or so, i'd say,

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Speaker 1: but we still have catch up at yoakes. Tell me

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Speaker 1: where you're both were, because I know that initially Tully

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Speaker 1: Lou was your baby? Correct?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Were you so? I Where was I? So?

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Speaker 3: I started Telly Lou in twenty twelve. I started Telly

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Speaker 3: Lou because when I was a teenager, I was diagnosed

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Speaker 3: around year ten to recover at home. That was kind

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Speaker 3: of my recovery process. I could have gone to rehab

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Speaker 3: I'm so grateful for now. And yeah, I kind of

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Speaker 3: So I started going to Melbourne School of fashion because

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Speaker 3: So that I started doing that, and then I remember

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Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh my god, I have to go

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Speaker 3: but I was just in this trap. And yeah, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a while, Like I got diag thosed

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Speaker 3: So then I was in a yoga class and I

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Speaker 3: and I just remember thinking, shit, maybe I should start

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Speaker 3: And I love yoga and I love what it's done

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Speaker 3: because I mean, I don't know about you guys, when

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Speaker 3: So I was like, Okay, I think this is what

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Speaker 3: And then yeah, shipped myself to La taught, did the

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Speaker 1: It's Beckroom training really like such a digress.

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Speaker 3: It's the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.

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Speaker 1: And there's a doco on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: So one thing on that when we caught up for coffee,

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Speaker 3: And I'm the kind of person that doesn't really want

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Speaker 1: Some of the most successful people people that have dropped

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Speaker 1: So at this time, did you guys know, like were

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Speaker 4: So going back to how it all came about with me,

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Speaker 4: I think, because I was like, what am I going

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it work not so much last year, but yeah,

435
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,399
Speaker 3: we usually travel back and forth quite a bit just

436
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 3: for like pr and like celebrity placement, and we find

437
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,360
Speaker 3: that when we travel to la we actually make more

438
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 3: sales in Australia when we're away. It's really weird.

439
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, love you when they can't quite have you.

440
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really strange.

441
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 1: So since we're being like super like I do want

442
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 1: I love hearing about like the highs, but also like

443
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 1: what about like challenges, like and like the you're running

444
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,360
Speaker 1: your own business, You're like, has it been any times

445
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, man, and I know you're only

446
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,880
Speaker 1: going to throw the towel in when Sarah jumped on board,

447
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 1: but we were chatting over a coffin and you're like, yeah,

448
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: there's been moments where it's been challenging.

449
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, well we're going through one right now. It's been

450
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 4: going on for nearly three years now, and I'm just talking.

451
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 4: It's just like like fuck, shoot me now. So we're

452
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 4: actually going through a court case in China which has

453
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 4: been going on for three years.

454
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 3: A trademark court case.

455
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 4: So in China, what they actually do is they very different.

456
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they.

457
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 3: So what they do, Yeah, so they'll like go through

458
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 3: Western brands and if you're quite success we're quite successful

459
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 3: in China, it's our main stockers, and they order a

460
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 3: lot of stuff and they'll go through like Western brands

461
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 3: that are like doing really well in China, and then

462
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,479
Speaker 3: they will serve you and if you haven't trademarked your

463
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 3: name or your logo and stuff, they will automatically they'll

464
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 3: go on. It's like these businesses, it's like blackmail kind

465
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 3: of and they'll go on and they'll buy it, and

466
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 3: then they'll kind of blackmail you. So when you're ready

467
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 3: to register in China, they'll blackmail you and be like, oh,

468
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 3: give us five hundred thousand dollars and we'll give your

469
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 3: name back. So that's kind of what we're battling at

470
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 3: the moment. It is freaking wild and if we end

471
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 3: up losing this case, we have to stop manufacturing under

472
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 3: the name Tullulu, we have to stop selling in China.

473
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 3: So we're kind of at the point now where we're

474
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 3: nearly about to give up, and we either have to

475
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 3: keep fighting or give them more money or we have

476
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 3: to completely change the name and legal fees aren't cheap.

477
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 4: No, no, so, and that's what we did. The end

478
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 4: of last year. We wighed up like how much we've

479
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 4: spent so far and we've actually got a meeting with.

480
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 3: Our lawyer on Monday, which is great, and.

481
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 4: How much we're willing to spend, and how much it

482
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 4: is to rename the brand as well. So it's like

483
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 4: and it's just like fuck, like what do we actually do?

484
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 4: And it's hard, Like it's just we both get stressed,

485
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 4: Like I know, tell when an email pops up from

486
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 4: the lawyerage like I can't open it.

487
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't open it, Like it's one of those

488
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 3: emails that I'm just like, it just sits there, and

489
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 3: so we're like, have you read the email? I'm like yep,

490
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 3: I think as.

491
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Speaker 1: Well, Like it's really important to talk about, especially if

492
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 1: you're running your own business. Are there people here that

493
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: run their own business or own their own businesses? Yeah,

494
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: it's hard, it's really really hard, and it's challenging, and

495
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 1: there are a lot of copycats in you probably notice

496
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: it on a smaller scale as well. Yeah, with other

497
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: designers or ideas or you know. It took me ages

498
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: to not take copycats personally. Yeah, because everyone's like high

499
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: a small flattery and I'm like, yeah, wait till it's

500
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: done to you, it doesn't feel like flattery at all.

501
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: It's the point that I used to go to bookstores

502
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: and pick up cookbooks with the exact same recipe and

503
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: a different author, and you just be.

504
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: Like, oh, yeah, that would have made But.

505
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, well, there's so many health authors, there's

506
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: only so many buckwheat pancake recipes. There's going to be crossover,

507
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: but it is. It's so challenging there. But I just

508
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: wanted to explore the like highs and lows. One other

509
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: thing we didn't touch on this. We touched on this

510
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: when we're out on drinks one night for our friend

511
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: Kick's birthday, but we didn't touch on this in our

512
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: coffee date. How do you like you're both successful entrepreneurial

513
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: type women. Does that make the dating game hard? Like

514
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: people intimidated by you?

515
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 3: I find Yeah, people find me intimidating because people guys

516
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 3: find me intimidating because I've been told like, I'm a

517
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 3: go getter. Just exactly what you said. It's like that

518
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 3: independent kind of thing. I think guys get threatened, and yeah,

519
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 3: it is hard. It's hard to date.

520
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've got to come back to your intuition

521
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: and nick and your gut. And she feel, well, you're

522
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: you're like Tully's kind of the face of it, so

523
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: she can probably get it.

524
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 4: And I'm yeah, I'm way behind the scenes with it also,

525
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 4: like I crunch all the numbers, do all that kind

526
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 4: of stuff, but I never I never switch off either.

527
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 4: So that's so I actually just had a relationship breakdown

528
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 4: as well. And he said to me, He's like, I

529
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 4: wasn't a priority. It was always like family friends work,

530
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 4: family friends work, And I was like, oh yeah, like

531
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 4: like I love what we do.

532
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 3: So it's hard finding that balance between everything.

533
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: And I think when not to like talk here is

534
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: like the loved up one right like this because me

535
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 1: and my boyfriend med on bumble, so you know there

536
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: is there is hopefully mine dating. But but I think

537
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: as well, when you meet that right match, it's someone

538
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: that's like I love that they're your priorities.

539
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love.

540
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: I love that you're a go getter. I love that

541
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: you're a hustler. I love that you're passionate about family,

542
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: work and friends like I, and I think that when

543
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: people have got the same like value system as it

544
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: becomes almost like just breathing, like, you know, as opposed

545
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: to needing to fit in with someone else's you know. Yeah,

546
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: that's I feel like the old quite.

547
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 4: Well.

548
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm really really passionate about this. This is week, this

549
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: is going so far byway, so I'm trying to like

550
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: seek the time. But I'm so so passionate about mental health.

551
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: And I know you both have therapists. Do you think

552
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: how important is therapy and looking after your mental health

553
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: in your life? Like where does it sit on the

554
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: priority spectrum?

555
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 3: For me? It's very high. Obviously with my history of

556
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: like eating disorder and depression, I can slip back into

557
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: that very quickly, Like if I'm stressed, all there's stuff

558
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 3: going on in my life. Again, it's like the only

559
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: thing that I feel like I can control. So yeah,

560
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 3: it's definitely a high priority. And I'm going to go

561
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: back to this. I was about a year ago. I

562
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 3: was actually listening to a podcast that Lola was on,

563
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,959
Speaker 3: and you were talking about like how we spend so

564
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 3: much money time on the outer stuff like him all

565
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, going to the gym and stuff,

566
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: but we forget to spend time and money on the

567
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,239
Speaker 3: inside stuff, like so seeing a therapist and doing all

568
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: those things. And ever since I heard that, I was like, shit,

569
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 3: I do need to spend more time and money and

570
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 3: stuff on the inside stuff because at the end of

571
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 3: the day, that's going to make me happy and it's

572
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 3: going to make me a better person. The outside stuff doesn't.

573
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 3: It's not as important. So I always remember that. So

574
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: every time I'm like, do.

575
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: You know who taught me that? Jad, He's like, you know,

576
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: you go to the gym all the time. He's like,

577
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: what about gym for your brain?

578
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So I always remember that, So it's definitely

579
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: a high priority.

580
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: What about you?

581
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: Same for me. I actually saw mine yesterday.

582
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm sorry. I I go because I know I'm

583
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 4: going to be a better person for going. And I've

584
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 4: never traditionally had tools in my toolkit to help me

585
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 4: deal with situations like last year was saying to tell like,

586
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 4: I just feel so angry, angry, and I was like, Okay,

587
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 4: why am I angry? And so it's exploring like all

588
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 4: these things with my therapist, with what's going on my

589
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 4: life and also dealing with all the past shit which

590
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 4: I'm still carrying with me, and so I'm dropping that

591
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 4: and I'm feeling much lighter and I'm getting to know

592
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 4: myself a lot better. Yeah, which is like really liberating.

593
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: I think also a lot of people think I need

594
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: to see a therapist because or a counselor or any

595
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: because there's shit going on in my life right now

596
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: or I've gone through a breakup. I want to get

597
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: rid of that stigma. Because if you want to be

598
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: a good person, see a therapist. Yeah, seriously, Like there's

599
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: this really cool saying. It's like, do the work on yourself,

600
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: and that work is constant. I will have a therapist

601
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. And I'm a pretty

602
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: happy girl. And I went there initially for heartbreak. I

603
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, I gotta gotta get over this heartbreak.

604
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: And within three sessions that was totally packed up and

605
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: I totally really dated a nassist and my therapist said

606
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: how long do you want to do that for? Right

607
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: before I met Matt, it was like, how long do

608
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: you want to keep doing this for? And I was like, yeah, man,

609
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: I need me as says I met mad I was like,

610
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: I think I need a data creative and he's like,

611
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: is it taking you thirty four years to figure that

612
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: one out? But I said, can I keep seeing you?

613
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: And he goes, Lola, my goal for you, my therapist said,

614
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: is is for you to become bulletproof. And I know

615
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: that sounds like I'm a bit of an A type drive,

616
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: like quite driven and very disciplined and probably too much

617
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. But he's like, if you

618
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: want to be the best that you can be the

619
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: best version of yourself. He's like, therapy is a non negotiable.

620
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 4: So I go.

621
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: I go weekly and sometimes I'm like, I have no

622
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: idea what we're going to talk about. Other times I'm like, mate,

623
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: I've got a plethor or list we need to go over.

624
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: But it is so cool because you exactly what Sarah's.

625
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: You start to know yourself, You start to understand your psychology,

626
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: you start to understand your bl wind spots, you start

627
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: to understand triggers, you understand your demons, and when you

628
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: understand these things even aren't bad, but when you understand them,

629
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: they almost become this toolkit of compassion with other people,

630
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: of actually enjoying like it's like the way Jad spoke

631
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: spoke through our kind of meditation. It's like it's kind

632
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: of cool to feel and understand these things within ourselves.

633
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: They're not bad, they're not good, They're just things. And

634
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: I think if you want to become efic human or

635
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: be the best that you can be, do the work,

636
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: see a therapist, because ninety nine percent of people do

637
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: not want to do the work, and that is what

638
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: will separate you from having a dream and living the dream.

639
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: I believe there's my ranch on therapy. I'm very, very

640
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: passionate about it, just on the mental health thing, because

641
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: it's absolutely my favorite topic. I remember you and I

642
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: did a podcast a while ago, back to back, so

643
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: we were both going in recording as a guest, and

644
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: I remember I hadn't seen Tulor for maybe a year

645
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: in the Flesh, and the first thing that she said was, man,

646
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: I've got massive social anxiety. You touched on it earlier,

647
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: and I reckon you would, Sarah. You'd probably understand the feelings.

648
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 4: Just from what you said of like well being uncomfortably.

649
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: Within yourself. And you're both obviously intuitive, because otherwise you

650
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't be living the passion that you're living and just

651
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: on the social anxiety. I think it's so common and

652
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: I think sometimes we don't even realize that we've got it.

653
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: I do acting school now because it terrifies me. And

654
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: last night we were doing physical theater, which just imagine

655
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: interpretive dance. Oh wow, and I can't dance. And I

656
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 1: remember there was a bit last night I was like, oh,

657
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: my palms are sweating, Like I wasn't sweating, but my

658
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: palms would just like get me out. I feel so

659
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: nude right now, and I've just I don't know these

660
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: twenty four people. So I just want you to share,

661
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: if you're comfortable, a bit about the social anxiety, because

662
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: I think even if you think I'd don't need a therapist,

663
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: I don't need to work on my mental health. I

664
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: don't need to meditate. I'm good, and you totally if

665
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: that's a bad, great, But I think these little physical

666
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: signs the body is f and smart, and sometimes the

667
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: body can, like the physical body can outsmart this. And

668
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: you might be like, I'm fine, I'm fine, but I

669
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: feel like I'm gonna vomit. I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine,

670
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: or I'm sweating, I'm fine, but why am I sweating?

671
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: Or why am I shaking? Why am I sure of breath?

672
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: What was social anxiety like for you?

673
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I've never had social anxiety, Like I'm a

674
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: very social person like stuff like this. I'm fine, But

675
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 3: I think I think social media has a lot to

676
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 3: do with it, to be honest. So I probably about

677
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: two years ago, I think. I. Yeah, I were going

678
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: to the races, like we're in walking into the bird

679
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: like it's happened numerous times, but in big situations like

680
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: events and stuff, I just freak out. Now I don't

681
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 3: know what it is. I'm trying to control it. But

682
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: we were going to the races and we're walking down

683
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: and I was fine, And as soon as we walk

684
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: into one marquee, I was like to say, I'm like,

685
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: I can't breathe. I'm like, I can't breathe. I'm really

686
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: really hot, Like oh my god, I'm sweating, I'm hot,

687
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: my heart is pounding, like what is going on? I

688
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: think gotta die, Like what is going on? And I

689
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: was like I have to get out of here. I

690
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: have to get out of here. And then I just

691
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 3: can't breathe. I'm like, this is hectic and like it's

692
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: so wild because people will say on social media, you're

693
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: going into all these fun events and stuff and not fun,

694
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 3: Like they're not fun. There's a lot of fake people.

695
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 3: Yeah they give me say much anxiety. Yeah, they give

696
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: me so much anxiety. It's like I feel like I

697
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: do feel like it's social media to blame because you're

698
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 3: always worried about what other people are thinking, and then

699
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: you just overthink something and then you're like, fuck, I'm breathe.

700
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's what I feel like. I just feel

701
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: like something's inside me just taking over my body and

702
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 3: I just can't breathe, get super sweaty, my heart's pounding.

703
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: What do you use to just get the hell out

704
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: of Yeah? I get out of it, and then I

705
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 3: just have to like work on like breathing techniques and

706
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: just be like calm down a little bit. Usually, I

707
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: think every time I've been by Sarah, I'm like Stara,

708
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 3: and then I've had another one in America when we're

709
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: at this weird like what was it? Like a It

710
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: was not a festival, but it was something I get

711
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 3: it in crowded places and I think, just to interject,

712
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: I think I know why you might have them, Yeah,

713
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: I think, but we were in a terrorist attack in

714
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 3: New York, and so I don't think I dealt with that.

715
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: Ye, what the hell happened?

716
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 4: So we're in our hotel room and we had a

717
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 4: trade show, and so we're doing a trade show, so

718
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 4: we were erect and so we went back to the

719
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 4: hotel room. We went and had an early dinner actually

720
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 4: where back Tell was like I'm going to sleep.

721
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: I was like all right, and then I'm that annoying

722
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: person that hits a pill on his like she's.

723
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 4: Out, and I heard I heard a noise and I

724
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 4: was like, oh nah, and then went to bed. And

725
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden we woke up to the

726
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 4: loud speaker of like there was like the police.

727
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: They're like this is the NYPD. Stay away from the windows,

728
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 3: and I'm.

729
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 4: Like yes, and go to take shelter in your bathroom

730
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 4: and we're like what the fuck is happening?

731
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: And like you could see like lights outside, like these

732
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 3: police lights. And then I was like, Sarah's like the windows.

733
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: We looked at our phone and had messages like.

734
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: Literally, you know when you scroll your phone, everyone are

735
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 3: you guys?

736
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 4: I actually sent a message to my family. I was like, guys,

737
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 4: I don't know what's happening, like I love you all.

738
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 3: No one was telling us anything. No one was telling something.

739
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: So we went to the bathroom, locked ourselves in the

740
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: bathroom because they were saying get away from the windows,

741
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 3: get away from the windows.

742
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 4: We didn't know if there was a shooter.

743
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 3: We didn't know what. We actually said to Sarah, I'm like,

744
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 3: do you know what it's probably like a gunman outside.

745
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 3: We're in America, it's probably like, we don't know what

746
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: it is. So then we went and no one was

747
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 3: telling us thing. So we're on Twitter and like all

748
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 3: these messages from Australia. Are you guys in Manhattan? I

749
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: hope you're safe. I hope you're not in Chelsea anyway.

750
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 3: So We're on like the phone looking on Twitter, and

751
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: I was like, Sarah, what street are we on. Sarah's

752
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: like twenty seventh Street. I'm like, I like pause, And

753
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 3: I realized that you just melted like you like, I'm

754
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: not good in situations like that at all, And I

755
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 3: was like, oh oh. And then I showed Sarah the

756
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: phone and there was a bomb in a pressure cooker

757
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: in a suitcase out the front of our hotel on

758
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 3: twenty seventh Street, like out of all the streets in

759
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: freaking New York. It was out in the front of

760
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: our hotel and we actually walked past that suitcase coming

761
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 3: back from dinner, and so we were locked in the

762
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: bathroom for seven hours. Still no one was telling us

763
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: what was going on. I was just getting live updates

764
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 3: from Twitter. And I've never ever felt so frightened in

765
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 3: my life. I can't even tell you. I was like,

766
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 3: if that goes off, we're fuss like actually fus. So

767
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 3: I feel like I haven't dealt with that, and I

768
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: think that's why I get social anxiety worse.

769
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: Now I understand.

770
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 4: Seriously, man, we've been through some stuff together.

771
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: Say they've gone through that?

772
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, literally is like messaging Mum and dad like I

773
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 3: love you, I don't know what's going to happen.

774
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: Like it was wild?

775
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah it was.

776
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: How did they unpack that? Like did they like did

777
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: they there was robots?

778
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was like those robots I met.

779
00:36:52,000 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: Up with you, Yes, so there's special But did the

780
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: how did they manage you the whole?

781
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 4: Nothing?

782
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 3: Nothing? Absolutely nothing. Like I said, I'm not good in

783
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: situations like that. We've been in too similar situations like

784
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 3: that in America, and dear God, if anything ever happens,

785
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 3: please hope that I'm not with you, because I am

786
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 3: so bad in situations like that. Sarah's like calm and

787
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: I'm just like like awful, So I have to try

788
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: and micro manage her. Yes, I know that, and it's fine.

789
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: That probably calms you even more when myself, I'm like

790
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: a duck. You know, it's okay, it's okay, that's crazy.

791
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about that at the coffee day. Yeah,

792
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: but that makes a lot of sense. But also to me,

793
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: that's like you got to unpack that with you, you know,

794
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: like that's life and death. And I think my Theraperce

795
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: says anxiety and panic and all of that. It's it's

796
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: a fear worse than death. So if you face that,

797
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: if you've been in that fear and that's been confronting,

798
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: as it would for any other human being, you know,

799
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: it's it's it's that kind of I mean the stakes

800
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: are high. Yeah, I mean, I'm no therapist, but yeah,

801
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: it's one of the unpacking that.

802
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of those things that I know I

803
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 3: need to talk to someone about it, but I can't.

804
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: That's still hard.

805
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

806
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: It's very understandably hard. It also explains the crowds and

807
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: that that stuff. Thank you for sharing that, because I

808
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: imagine that we've been a little As you were saying that,

809
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: my whole body was just like Covert in Goosebumps, I

810
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: was like, a fuck, thank you both for sharing that.

811
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: On a positive there, I know there are people in

812
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: the audience. I know that there are people that are

813
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: going to be listening to this that are like, yeah, Okay,

814
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: I've got this goal. I want to own my own business,

815
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: or I've got my own business, I want to take

816
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: the next step. I want to how can they like

817
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: what when I say how can they like, what's your

818
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: like take home? Like like because it's not just like

819
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: get out there and do it, because like you probably

820
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: need financial backing, Like what's the you know, is it

821
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 1: like it's going to be really shit and hard and tough,

822
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: Like what would your advice be? It can be, you know,

823
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: as long as you wanted to make.

824
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 4: Speaking personally, it's the hardest, scariest thing, but it's also

825
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 4: the most rewarding and tell and I describe it as

826
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 4: like the roller coaster. So we have these high high

827
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 4: highs and like with the China thing, you still have

828
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 4: all these lows, but I don't know, it's such as

829
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 4: it's a fun ride, so it's never boring, like.

830
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 3: I just do it. I will like when I started

831
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: the brands, like I'm probably not your typical this is

832
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: showing my personality. I didn't have a business plan. I

833
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: had money that my mom my dad had left me

834
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: and said, my dad's all right, but like he'd left

835
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 3: me money, and when we were a team, we could

836
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 3: do whatever we want, travel or buy whatever. And with

837
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: that money, I just kept it because I knew I

838
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: wanted to start a business, so I had the money,

839
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: I had an idea, packed my bags, went to balley

840
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 3: and started a business. I'm completely different to like where

841
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: Sarah would have been, like a business plan, like what's

842
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 3: your swat like strength, weakness, I don't like.

843
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm not like that.

844
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: I have an idea and I'm like, let's just go

845
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 3: get it and if it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

846
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, it's just money. If

847
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 3: it fails, then at least I know I've tried, and

848
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: I'll just earn that money back. I'll get you know,

849
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 3: two or three jobs and I'll earn it back. So

850
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: I just think my advice would if you haven't, if

851
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: you want to start a business, just follow your heart

852
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 3: and just do it, because, like Sarah said, it's the

853
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 3: most rewarding slash challenging thing ever. But yeah, I'd just say,

854
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 3: follow your heart and just do it.

855
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: I think that's probably why you do work so well together. Yeah,

856
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: like you've got the kind of like the ah, yeah,

857
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: the dreams there, like the someone that almost the visionary,

858
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: although you'd be as Sarah would be a visionary as well.

859
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: She's like, Okay, now let me compartmentalize that so that

860
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: we can actually make this the coffee I can get.

861
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: I've got a coffee brand with Matt, my boyfriend, and

862
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: our friend Rob, and I can guarantee you I have

863
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the numbers that Matt can tell

864
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: you exactly the type of color that is on each

865
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: panel of the box. He can tell you everything about

866
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: the type of foil that's used for the sachets, and

867
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, just tell me it's rescyclable. That's what I'm

868
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: gonna get murdered for. So and so I probably lean

869
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: more into and I always have, always looked at money

870
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: as energy, So I mean like energy is gonna come,

871
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: energy is going to go. So I think the moment

872
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: that you like obsess or attach or onto money, you're

873
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: probably gonna limit yourself and your dreams. And that sounds

874
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: like a rich person's problem. I get that, but like

875
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: there has definitely been times in my career I'm like,

876
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: oh shit, and ICI lean straight back into yoga teaching

877
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: or practicing as a nutritionist. And I'll lean into it

878
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: when my job is like an actor, like you literally

879
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: get a really cool gig and you can live off

880
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: that for a few months, but then there's a few

881
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: months between your next gig and you're like shit, shit, shit,

882
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: when's the next bit going to be? And it might happen.

883
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have got a really successful business.

884
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: Even with the coffee, we'll get like a big load,

885
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: like if a influence a post about it's probably the

886
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: same as when like PG and you'll be like, oh

887
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: my god, we've got an all hands are on deck

888
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: to get those sales out on time. Self like yeah,

889
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: and we'll go from back down to two five or like.

890
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: And so it's just being understanding that it's what you

891
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: this is why this whole podcast exists. What you see

892
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: on Instagram is a highlight reel. It is not Sarah

893
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: doing the numbers you know and calculate. It's not then

894
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: prepping for a meeting with a lawyer about Yeah, it's

895
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: not you know, And I know there are other business

896
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: owners in the room, and I think that you need

897
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: to know that, like that will be the only one.

898
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: Yeah and that, But it's hard work. Like what's hours

899
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: like in a day? Can it be for you? Guys? Well,

900
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: I get up at five am. I do all work

901
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,479
Speaker 1: out you hear that. Man to hear that this morning,

902
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: he's like, why am I up at five am? I

903
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: must love you? And we're driving he and he's like,

904
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: look at all these people running at the wait is

905
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: tramps run it this time and really I'm a morning bird.

906
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: Get this guy's at Musicians are like, we'll work till

907
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: one am and then get up at eight.

908
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 3: Not do that.

909
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: As I'm like lights out on ten ten thirty. I'm like,

910
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: see you labor and mettal heaving these great business ideas

911
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: at eleven PM and here in the morning.

912
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're morning.

913
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: There's a book about it, and it's like, what type

914
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: of you.

915
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 3: Get five am, Yeah, five am club, you should get yeah.

916
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,959
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. But there's also a book about

917
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: like depending on your Like it's almost like an archetype

918
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: for when you're we get about three hours a day

919
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: where you're like you're on, you're on, and like minus

920
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: coffee and all that kind of you've got three productive

921
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: hours and I'm like five to eight am. So that's

922
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: the line. Most people are what's got a bear and

923
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: they're like that eleven to kind of like two kind

924
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: of window, whereas kick two o'clock. I'm like, see you.

925
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like you never switch. Like I feel

926
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 3: like your day is like as soon as you wake up,

927
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 3: you're thinking about business or what you can do or whatever,

928
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 3: and then you'll have like periods like throughout the day

929
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 3: where you know we might not work and then you're

930
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 3: just always on though, Like I feel like, so a

931
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 3: typical day is like, yeah, you're always kind of on.

932
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: Give us a typical day, I mean, yeah, saying we

933
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 3: got up quite early, workout emails this.

934
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: One fox Feed. I know that's true, but I always will.

935
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: But sometimes we'll run into each other at yogs and

936
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: be like, mate, how are you going? Oh, Christmas last time.

937
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: The Christmas time, I was like, Christmas has been going

938
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: for two months? Yeah, ready to tap.

939
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: Out your eye by that same Yeah, So I mean

940
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 3: like and then work like throughout the day and then

941
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 3: I liked, I personally like to finish it like read

942
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: ish as well, or like just have a couple of

943
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: hours off and then I'll work more during the night.

944
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: Just it depends, like you run a business to have

945
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 3: a flexible life ice you know, like we well that's

946
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: why I like about running the business as well. It's

947
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: like you have a you can have a flexible day,

948
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: but you're always still on. So I mean it also

949
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: depends on how busy At the moment. It's not very

950
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 3: busy because China is in lockdown, so I deal a

951
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 3: lot with China, so at the moment it's not that crazy.

952
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know how much of how much

953
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: does your health kind of like have an impact on

954
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: your business capacity or your your capacity to get so

955
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: much done in a day, because obviously your go getters,

956
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: these guys work really really hard. How much is the

957
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: way you nourish yourself, your sleep, the way you move obviously,

958
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: like exercise, and how everything you guys post is like, man,

959
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: they're cooking up salmon again. We like the same protein bars.

960
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: You know, I've been putting the choc mint one in

961
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: the frame. Like I said, so, how much does What

962
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say is like I know when my health,

963
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: when I compromise my health, whether through eating. I love

964
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: chocolate and sugar and the bad stuff like marvelous creations.

965
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: I talk about it all the two way too much.

966
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: I know when I've eaten that kind of stuff, I'm

967
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: like good at work for like two hours, and then

968
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: I crash and I feel really guilty the next day,

969
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: and I've kind of like lost for the investment of

970
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: like really indulging or having not honoring my health. I

971
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: generally lose a day of work out of feeling shitty

972
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: about myself or beating myself up or extreme dieting the

973
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: next day to kind of like balance it out. So

974
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: I just want to touch on being a nutritionist as well.

975
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: How much does health have an impact on? Yeah, your

976
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: capability as an entrepreneur and as somebody that needs to

977
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: run with all cylinders firing.

978
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 4: I think if for me it's probably my mental health

979
00:46:54,680 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 4: is probably the most critical working out contributes to my

980
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 4: mental health because I don't. I'm a much nicer person

981
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 4: after I've had a sweat and things like that, Like

982
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 4: I need to work out in the morning, like and

983
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 4: get everything done and then okay, I'm ready to go.

984
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 4: But like how you're talking about like food and eating

985
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 4: and things like that. I love chocolate too, So if

986
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 4: I eat too much at night, the next day, like

987
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 4: I probably won't have a great sleep. So then the

988
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 4: next day I know that I won't be at my best,

989
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 4: Like I can be sitting in front of emails and thinking.

990
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: Like I said to tell the other day, because I

991
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: had a shocking night sleep. I was like, I know

992
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 3: what I want to write.

993
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 4: Can you just like read it over? Because to me,

994
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 4: it's not making sense. So it's finding what makes me

995
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 4: fire and all cylinders. So it is working out the morning.

996
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 4: It's eating well and probably not meditating yoga for me,

997
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 4: so I always start.

998
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: A Monday off doing a yoga claste out there. It

999
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: just grounds me. Yeah, or else I'm too much in

1000
00:47:58,680 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 3: my head.

1001
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm hearing. What I'm feeling is like this clarity you

1002
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: feel clear when you're moving your body, eating well, sleeping well.

1003
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: I think that we can't underestimate the power of health

1004
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: and helping us. Definitely, mental health is like I agree

1005
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: the King, but I think there's also all these other

1006
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: tools that we can tap into. And also like I

1007
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: don't think you can get away with dieting really and

1008
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: running a really good business because if you're skipping meals

1009
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: and stuff, you brain. You know, the way you were

1010
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: talking about the foggy email, like yeah, sugar's going to

1011
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: do that to you, but also like under consuming is

1012
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: going to do that to you.

1013
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 3: Would you say that is because when you are in

1014
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 3: that like diet headspace, I don't know about you, but

1015
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 3: that's constantly what you're thinking about, like every minute of

1016
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 3: the day.

1017
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: It's obsessive.

1018
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 3: It is obsessive, and you just start yeah, and you

1019
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 3: can't work, can't concentrate, and you're just unhappy.

1020
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to this has gone so fast, so fast? Yeah, man,

1021
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: So does it feel like it's gone fast?

1022
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. We're just like having out a little

1023
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: coffee and.

1024
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: Matt's give me eyes, like you've got a bit of time.

1025
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: It's okay, I know, but I want to know. I

1026
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: really want to know, like what does the dream look?

1027
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: Because we see tullylu exploding and doing really well and

1028
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: celebrities wearing it and you guys traveling around and kind

1029
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: of like NonStop but for each of you, and it

1030
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: can look different. What does the dream look like like

1031
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: you can fast forward to years, Like what does that

1032
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: look and feel like?

1033
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 4: I think having the freedom to travel and work when

1034
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 4: and where we want. And I think diversifying the products

1035
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 4: we do have, like whether it be adding something else

1036
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: to do with the health and wellness realm, Like that's

1037
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 4: something really want podcasts, That's what I'd really like to explore.

1038
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 4: I like, I just love being able to service and

1039
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 4: inspire other people, whether it is through movement, mental health,

1040
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 4: or just some kind of sparking some kind of.

1041
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 3: And a lot in their life.

1042
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: That's what I'd like to do, service and inspire on

1043
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: the people. Very cool.

1044
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree everything Sarah said, Like we've spoken about

1045
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 3: this a lot and with one thing we do agree

1046
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 3: on is to see the brand in two years, which

1047
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: is good. So yeah, And I think also what Sarah said,

1048
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 3: I would love to add in another element to the business,

1049
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 3: especially towards I'm so so passionate about body image to

1050
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 3: young women because those young women are going to you know,

1051
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 3: be our future. So I would love to like focus

1052
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 3: more on or incorporating some kind of program or course

1053
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 3: or something just for healthy body image as well as

1054
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 3: obviously mental health. So I'm really passionate about that and

1055
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 3: I'd love to incorporate that somehow into the business.

1056
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: Awesome.

1057
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 5: Yes, Okay, finally, one final note, just want like, what

1058
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 5: do you have like a mantra or something that people

1059
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 5: could like hang on to or live but anything that's

1060
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 5: just like if you're having a shitty day, what's kind

1061
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 5: of like, yeah, yours might be moving your body.

1062
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1063
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 3: Well, this is what I've been the last few weeks.

1064
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: It's been mine.

1065
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 4: If I find myself like my head's just gonna be

1066
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 4: like fuck off, it's just like I have to remind

1067
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 4: myself my.

1068
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 3: Cup's half full. Yeah, my cup's halfful.

1069
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 4: And that just switches something in my brain that Okay,

1070
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 4: look at the positive, find something grateful for And that's.

1071
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: Like that rooming quote. It is like act like life

1072
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: is rigged in your favor. Yeah, change everything. Yeah, very cool.

1073
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think for me, I am reading reading The

1074
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: Resilience Project at the moment, and it's all about all

1075
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: about empathy. Meditation and gratitude. So whenever I'm kind of

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Speaker 3: like that, I just think, you know, I'm especially with

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Speaker 3: all the shit that's going on in the world, I'm

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Speaker 3: just like, Okay, I'm grateful for my health and grateful

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Speaker 3: for my family, my friends, and to have a roof

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Speaker 3: over my head. I kind of just go back to that,

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Speaker 3: and then it makes me like okay, like everything's okay,

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Speaker 3: and then I kind of feel happy.

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Speaker 1: In a way I call is that these are two

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Speaker 1: like business go gets, and one is grateful and the

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Speaker 1: other one is positivity. It's not like I need more,

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Speaker 1: and yet they're creating more. I'm stealing mine. I did

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Speaker 1: an active, intense work intensive workshop a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: This is going to sound like a morbid one, but

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Speaker 1: he was like, start from I am enough, but at

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Speaker 1: the same time, I'm never enough. As weird as that sounds,

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Speaker 1: it keeps you wanting to be better yourself and keep

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Speaker 1: doing the work and keep working on yourself, and it

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Speaker 1: kind of holds you quite accountable. While like what Chad

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Speaker 1: was saying earlier, like it's compassionate, but it's like there

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Speaker 1: is you know, we can all work really hard on

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Speaker 1: ourselves and be these beasts man, you know, like spiritual

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Speaker 1: beasts like super Clear. Thank you both so so much.

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Speaker 1: We are going to do Q and A's but I

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Speaker 1: just went around the podcast up from a recording. I'll

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Speaker 1: keep it recording, I promise, Matt Matth I keep it recording,

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Speaker 1: don't end it. I want to thank the sponsors. So

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Speaker 1: obviously we're in this incredible space, Willow. If you have

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Speaker 1: cafe ten out of ten. Yeah, I can see Beck.

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Speaker 1: You're kind of iron it off before you fly out.

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Speaker 1: Beck flew in from Brisbane just for today. You legend

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Speaker 1: also here. I've had the best massages of my life here.

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Speaker 1: So oh the massive you guys have got it. I've

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Speaker 1: had that. I don't know how to say. Is it sheer?

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Speaker 1: Where the oil is on your third eye? I've had

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Speaker 1: there's crystals, there's infrared sauna. I've taught yoga here. There's

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Speaker 1: classes here, soak it up. You have a class past four,

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Speaker 1: written Karmic again because you're so awesome. So and a

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Speaker 1: big thank you as well to Chad for coming on

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Speaker 1: and giving his time this morning. And I can say

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Speaker 1: this on the podcast. We're about to do a podcast

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Speaker 1: series just with Jad with guided meditations that will launch

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Speaker 1: on the twenty first of February, so and you heard

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Speaker 1: how calming and soothing his voice was. I was seeing

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Speaker 1: that because I'm trying to like tap in, but my

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Speaker 1: like a type brain was like, oh, yeah, he's going

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Speaker 1: to be great on the podcast. This is going to

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Speaker 1: be awesome. Just to end, I made a little list

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Speaker 1: of why this podcast exists, and I'm all about having

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Speaker 1: a clear intention of why I do what I do.

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Speaker 1: It is to inspire, connect and learn and get just

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Speaker 1: I love getting absorbed in other people's passion because it

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Speaker 1: evokes this kind of like spark and fine within you.

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Speaker 1: That's why this podcast exist. And I'm all about leading

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Speaker 1: with truth now. Yeah, so thank you guys, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for the sponsor. Let's do a big grand

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Speaker 1: reports for these guys. Thank you,