Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, a controversial
Speaker 1: Aussie fashion brand has been accused of painting over an
Speaker 1: Australian artist's work. The influx of Influencer, baby News and
Speaker 1: our Friday Debrief. But first, as we predicted, Indie Clinton
Speaker 1: doesn't have an office job. It was all an elabor
Speaker 1: publicity stunt to announce her as the ambassador of a
Speaker 1: new haircare brand Kay. A lot of people twigged it
Speaker 1: was a marketing tactic, but it seems to have done
Speaker 1: the trick for them. Yeah, it really did generate a
Speaker 1: buzz for the haircare brand. It got a lot of
Speaker 1: people talking, including us, so hats off to the marketing team.
Speaker 1: We have spoken about it on the podcast several times before,
Speaker 1: but as a refresher for those who may have missed it.
Speaker 1: About a month ago, a video of Indy Clinton working
Speaker 1: in an office job went viral. That video was supposedly
Speaker 1: captured by a coworker and shared to Ticked anonymously, and
Speaker 1: while a lot of people took the bait and thought
Speaker 1: Indie genuinely had a career change. A lot of people
Speaker 1: were skeptical it was a PR stunt, and on Monday,
Speaker 1: Indie revealed it was in fact a marketing tactic to
Speaker 1: promote a new haircare company called Boof. As we guessed
Speaker 1: last week, the company has been launched by tvh Skincare
Speaker 1: owner Rachel Wild, but there has been a bit of
Speaker 1: confusion about what exactly INDI's role in the brand is
Speaker 1: because a lot of people wondered if she maybe had
Speaker 1: bought into the company due to this whole stunt around
Speaker 1: her being a worker there, particularly also because of the
Speaker 1: language she used in one of her TikTok videos, because
Speaker 1: she shared her using the product for a couple of
Speaker 1: months and said, if this is really good, we're gonna
Speaker 1: launch it. So she obviously feels very much a part
Speaker 1: of the team. But in a media release that we
Speaker 1: received from the brand, they said she is just an ambassador.
Speaker 1: That is the messaging that has gone out on social
Speaker 1: media as well. I wouldn't be surprised if maybe she
Speaker 1: had a bit of a stake in the company. Now
Speaker 1: I have to talk about the fact that on Friday morning,
Speaker 1: after our segment on Indie Clinton and booth hair aed
Speaker 1: I got a LinkedIn request from Indy, so did you?
Speaker 1: So did Amy? I laughed so much and thought what
Speaker 1: a sense of humor. I had a laugh because her
Speaker 1: job was listed as social and growth specialist. Now, the
Speaker 1: product that they have launched is a hair growth serum,
Speaker 1: so it seems like they were having a bit of
Speaker 1: fun with that one. Yeah. Now, there has been a
Speaker 1: lot of praise for this marketing stunt, but what seems
Speaker 1: to have confused a lot of people is the promotional
Speaker 1: video that they released this week featuring Indie Clinton as
Speaker 1: you touched on Kate. They are selling a new hair
Speaker 1: growth serum which is being targeted at postpartum women. So
Speaker 1: with Indy being such a prolific mummy blogger, it makes
Speaker 1: sense for her to be the face of this campaign
Speaker 1: because she has spoken about her postpartum hair loss before. However,
Speaker 1: in the video, it didn't make sense because she was
Speaker 1: wearing all of these elaborate wigs and hair extensions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for those who haven't seen the video, she's dressed up
Speaker 1: in a range of retro outfits and she's performing a
Speaker 1: lot of household tasks, So she's dancing in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: She's also doing a workout, but yeah, as you said,
Speaker 1: she's wearing these ridiculously long wigs, and one follower wrote,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, this is cool, but also I'm
Speaker 1: not drawn to buying hair care when the model has
Speaker 1: fake hair slash extensions. It's just hard to see how
Speaker 1: a product can be effective when we aren't shown the
Speaker 1: real results. Someone also wrote to India on TikTok, your
Speaker 1: hair looks fantastic, but whoever's idea it was to wear
Speaker 1: wigs for hair growth promotion should rethink that idea now.
Speaker 1: India replied, saying, it's a hair campaign inspired by the sixties.
Speaker 1: It's meant to be big and boofy, like the results
Speaker 1: you get from the product. It's tongue in cheek and
Speaker 1: fun emphasis on a fun campaign brought to life. Do
Speaker 1: you think that their decision to incorporate wigs into this
Speaker 1: campaign is going to affect whether people buy this product
Speaker 1: or not? Do you think people won't believe in the
Speaker 1: product because of it? Well, Indy actually went on to
Speaker 1: share her results on her TikTok and she shared that
Speaker 1: she's been using the product since January, and this actually
Speaker 1: further disillusioned people, because people are like, hang on, you've
Speaker 1: gone back to your natural hair color used to be blonde.
Speaker 1: Your baby isn't even that young anymore, so your hair's
Speaker 1: probably just grown back. So it didn't seem like anyone
Speaker 1: was happy with anything this brand was putting out. Anyone
Speaker 1: who has thin hair nose. But it takes a lot
Speaker 1: longer than a year to get your hair back into
Speaker 1: some sort of condition. To be fair to Indie, well,
Speaker 1: my son Jack is nearly one years old, and my
Speaker 1: hair is looking so bad, like it started to regrow back.
Speaker 1: If anything, a couple of months after you give birth,
Speaker 1: your hairs actually looking pretty good. It takes a little
Speaker 1: while for that hair loss to actually happen. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean at the end of the day, I actually don't
Speaker 1: think that that's going to impact the sales anyway, because
Speaker 1: it's had so much traction, so much engagement, So many
Speaker 1: people know about it now, so I think the people
Speaker 1: that want to give it a try will give it
Speaker 1: a try. I think with hair growth serums and those
Speaker 1: type of products, people are always a little bit dubious
Speaker 1: and they're happy to see if it works for them.
Speaker 1: I think it will depend on the price point as well.
Speaker 1: Knowing TBH and how strong they are at marketing, particularly
Speaker 1: on TikTok. They are going to be sending this product
Speaker 1: to a lot of postpart and women and getting potentially
Speaker 1: micro influences to do very realistic before and afters, which
Speaker 1: is really what drives people at the moment. I feel
Speaker 1: like when you see everyday people testing out a product
Speaker 1: and giving their real and honest opinion, that's what makes
Speaker 1: that's what makes me want to buy something. Yeah, before
Speaker 1: we wrap things up, it was quite funny in India's
Speaker 1: comments section there were a lot of American fans that
Speaker 1: were surprised by the brand's name. So someone says, does
Speaker 1: booth not mean the same thing in Australia as it
Speaker 1: does in America? So, Saphie, do you know what booth
Speaker 1: means in America? No? I have absolutely no idea. So
Speaker 1: boof or boofings, but with a double O is a
Speaker 1: slang term for inserting drugs or alcohol into your anus. Wow,
Speaker 1: produce a more immediate high. Oh can you imagine them?
Speaker 1: In the TVH I was realizing this, like, fuck, first
Speaker 1: the wigs, now these drugs and the anus thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the Australian term is for bouffont, which
Speaker 1: is a style of hair in the sixties. I think
Speaker 1: that's what they were going for.
Speaker 2: Morning. I know I'm wearing a very controversial top today,
Speaker 2: but it's only to get your attention because I'm looking
Speaker 2: for recommendations on something that i can buy in replace
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 1: Sabt The owner of a controversial Australian fashion brand has
Speaker 1: been accused of painting over Australian artist Tany Kaylan's work
Speaker 1: and uploading the results to Instagram. The heartbroken artist believes
Speaker 1: the brazen act was a form of retaliation after she
Speaker 1: recently started selling oversized t shirts with her artwork on it.
Speaker 1: The fashion brand in question has carved out a name
Speaker 1: for itself for marketing oversized teas with positive affirmations. So
Speaker 1: if this story is erupting on TikTok, how did it
Speaker 1: all come about? Well, it all kicked off when Tani
Speaker 1: made the revelation during a Q and A on Instagram. Now,
Speaker 1: she is a painter and a muralist based in her
Speaker 1: hometown of Mandura in Wa, and she jumped on her
Speaker 1: stories to explain that she was initially hesitant to open
Speaker 1: up about the incident and spent weeks considering what to
Speaker 1: do now, she finally decided that staying silent was not
Speaker 1: an option and she was ready to speak out.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Tany alleges that an Australian fashion brand purchased one of
Speaker 1: her paintings last year for three thousand dollars. That piece
Speaker 1: in question was one of her favorite originals, called get
Speaker 1: Out of Your Own Way. I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 1: our listeners have seen this painting popping up on TikTok
Speaker 1: this week. It's a really cool piece that has two
Speaker 1: mermaids each on the back of a horse with cowboy
Speaker 1: hats on. It's an original piece and like a lot
Speaker 1: of Chinese work, there's a lot of textures on the canvas. Now,
Speaker 1: Taney alleges that the local fashion brand in question, who
Speaker 1: she chose not to name, painted over her artwork and
Speaker 1: posted them doing so online. Now Understandably, she got very
Speaker 1: emotional over this and wrote, it's like watching someone hurt
Speaker 1: someone you love and saying nothing is painful to see
Speaker 1: any of my work a raised, but especially this one.
Speaker 1: It held a lot of meaning for me. I wish
Speaker 1: they'd simply passed it on, not covered it up. Artists
Speaker 1: are sensitive, emotional beings. When we create with meaning, we're
Speaker 1: offering up a part of ourselves is vulnerable. It's honest,
Speaker 1: it's real. I'm sharing this because artists deserve better. Our
Speaker 1: work isn't disposable. It's a piece of our heart and soul,
Speaker 1: and when it's treated that way, it hurts more than
Speaker 1: people realize. It's just incomprehensible to me that someone would
Speaker 1: paint over and artists work, and what's even more unbelievable
Speaker 1: is that they would brazenly share themselves doing it online.
Speaker 1: It just seems like the ultimate act of disrespect and
Speaker 1: almost like this individual was waving a flag in the
Speaker 1: artist's face, wanting some form of reaction from them. Now,
Speaker 1: despyed Tany not naming the fashion brand, it wasn't long
Speaker 1: before her followers started connecting the dots and realized that
Speaker 1: she was talking about the controversial clothing brand Sabi. Now.
Speaker 1: The brand is known for selling oversized T shirts ironically
Speaker 1: with positive affirmations across them. It is owned by husband
Speaker 1: and wife team Jace McDonell and Ash Tadu, who live
Speaker 1: in Queensland. Now those names may sound familiar to listeners,
Speaker 1: as back in March, we covered the Internet bloodbath that
Speaker 1: broke out between Sabi and author turned TikToker Kate Forster.
Speaker 1: So some of Kate's followers had noticed a growing number
Speaker 1: of Mummy influencers sharing far right views wearing Sarby shirts,
Speaker 1: and this led Kate to do some research into the brand,
Speaker 1: and she quickly discovered that one of the owners, Jace,
Speaker 1: was following Donald Trump on his personal account. The response
Speaker 1: was pretty mixed online. There were some followers who started
Speaker 1: threatening to boycott Sarby, whilst others sent an influx of
Speaker 1: hate towards Kate Forster. In fact, her TikTok actually ended
Speaker 1: up getting mass reported, which then triggered every single one
Speaker 1: of her videos to be removed, so it impacted her greatly.
Speaker 1: In response, Sarby put out a lengthy written statement but
Speaker 1: didn't address the elephant in the room whether or not
Speaker 1: they politically support or align with Donald Trump. They said
Speaker 1: they didn't want to talk about political views because they're
Speaker 1: not political, but went on to clarify that Jason followed
Speaker 1: Trump to keep an eye on importation tariffs. Now, I
Speaker 1: want to get into the reason why people are convinced
Speaker 1: that Tani is talking about Sabi, and that is because
Speaker 1: a few weeks prior, the owner Ash uploaded a video
Speaker 1: of her painting a canvas. Now, the canvas in question
Speaker 1: was to go over her bed and in true Sarbi style,
Speaker 1: had a massive positive affirmation, which she painted across it.
Speaker 1: So in the real you can see the Ash has
Speaker 1: painted the background of this really large canvas a mixture
Speaker 1: of yellows, oranges, and pinks. She then added very messy
Speaker 1: writing across it, which took up the entire canvas and read,
Speaker 1: dear me, you were not perfect, but you are enough.
Speaker 1: Don't believe the lies you tell yourself. You have a
Speaker 1: magic inside you that no one else on this planet has,
Speaker 1: and just because you can't see it all the time
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it isn't there. Take your breath. You are
Speaker 1: doing the best you can and that is enough. Now.
Speaker 1: The comment section was flooded by customers admiring her work,
Speaker 1: with one going as far as saying they wish they
Speaker 1: could mission a piece from her now. I want to
Speaker 1: put it out there for those of you who haven't
Speaker 1: seen this canvas yet. But after Ash was finished with it,
Speaker 1: it literally looked like a dog's breakfast. I can't believe
Speaker 1: that anyone was saying that they wanted this on their wall.
Speaker 1: The background was so messy and sloppy, it was not
Speaker 1: a work of art by any means. And whilst these
Speaker 1: are allegations at this stage, I want to say, if
Speaker 1: Ash has painted over Tarny's work with this absolute abomination,
Speaker 1: it is the most disgusting and disrespectful thing I've seen
Speaker 1: in such a long time. I mean, not only does
Speaker 1: it look completely amateur, but the nerve to cover someone's
Speaker 1: art way that they've put their blood, sweat and tears
Speaker 1: into with essentially a love letter to yourself about how
Speaker 1: wonderful you are. It's beyond belief. It's just crazy, isn't it.
Speaker 1: A lot of people have been rightly questioning, though, how
Speaker 1: can you tell the original artwork has been painted over?
Speaker 1: Because in this video she didn't start off with Tarny's
Speaker 1: work and show herself covering it. So a lot of
Speaker 1: TikTokers have been doing God's work for us. As you
Speaker 1: touched on earlierk Tanny's style of painting uses a lot
Speaker 1: of different textures and they are very evident in the
Speaker 1: original artwork. So a number of TikTokers have zoomed in
Speaker 1: on both of the artworks to point out many of
Speaker 1: the clear texture lines that are visible in both of
Speaker 1: the pieces, and other TikTokers are also convinced that you
Speaker 1: can see a faint outline of the horses and mermaids
Speaker 1: in the background of Ash's print. The prints are also
Speaker 1: the exact same size, so there are a few telltale
Speaker 1: signs that this potentially is the same artwork. I think
Speaker 1: it's important to point out that we don't know this
Speaker 1: as fact. They are just allegations at this stage. Sabi
Speaker 1: has since removed the reel of Ashes painting, but they
Speaker 1: are yet to put out a statement or comment publicly
Speaker 1: on the fallout. If Taranese claims are true, the burning
Speaker 1: question is why why would you cover up and raise
Speaker 1: an artist's work. Well, Tanni thinks she knows the answer,
Speaker 1: so in the same Q and A, she alleged that
Speaker 1: one of Sabi's staff members accused her of coppying Sabi's design. So,
Speaker 1: as well as selling original artworks, Tani has also been
Speaker 1: selling oversized T shirts for the past year, which have
Speaker 1: her artwork on it. They're really cool, and she alleges
Speaker 1: that the Sabi worker accused her of copying their iconic
Speaker 1: flame design. And using it on one of her T shirts.
Speaker 1: She wrote, I'm assuming that maybe that's what their issue is,
Speaker 1: but that's only an assumption. I have no idea the
Speaker 1: real reason, and I'm sure I'll never find out. It
Speaker 1: does lead you to question if ash did paint over
Speaker 1: this artwork. Did she purposely do this as retribution? I mean,
Speaker 1: the fact that she filmed it would suggest potentially she did. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: it seems like there has been a bit of competition
Speaker 1: between these two T shirt brands, because a follower also
Speaker 1: wrote to Tani, did you notice Sabi do drops two
Speaker 1: hours before every drop you have to, which Tani replied no,
Speaker 1: I didn't notice this, but a few other people messaged
Speaker 1: me last night telling me this. Not sure if it's true,
Speaker 1: but if it is true, there's eight billion p people
Speaker 1: in the world, I think there's room for everyone. This
Speaker 1: is all so weird. Now. There has been a massive
Speaker 1: response online to this unfolding story, with the Internet collectively
Speaker 1: turning on Sarbi and calling to cancel the Ossie brand.
Speaker 1: Many women have shared tiktoks about how they're now embarrassed
Speaker 1: to wear their Sarby shirts in public, which is a
Speaker 1: shame because they're quite expensive T shirts. They're bloody ugly. Though,
Speaker 1: I have to put out there someone else shared this
Speaker 1: sentiment online. Let's throw to what they said.
Speaker 3: I made a TikTok probably a year ago about this
Speaker 3: exact subject, and I posted it for all of three seconds,
Speaker 3: and then I was like, because there was such an
Speaker 3: unpopular opinion at the time, because it.
Speaker 4: Was peak cult, peak cult, peak fucking uniform Savy shirts
Speaker 4: are fucking ugly. That's my opinion, okay, And I wish
Speaker 4: I said something about it sooner, because now now it's
Speaker 4: like come to light that they're not fucking great people
Speaker 4: save lovers are going to come after me in the comments,
Speaker 4: and that's fine.
Speaker 3: Your shirt's fucking ugly. I'd be pretty disappointed if I
Speaker 3: spent fucking eighty bucks on a shirt and it faded
Speaker 3: to the shit as well. I'll just turned into a
Speaker 3: Bunco white anko shirt.
Speaker 1: I don't like the badmouth Australian brands, but in my
Speaker 1: personal opinion, I would not wear a loud T shirt
Speaker 1: like this, particularly after all these allegations have come out.
Speaker 1: Another TikTok user something that up well, creating a video
Speaker 1: saying what are we all doing with our sabi shirts
Speaker 1: after what happened with Tany Kielan's work, and one user
Speaker 1: suggested in the comments section that they should send all
Speaker 1: of them to Tani to paint over. There has been
Speaker 1: a camp of people who I'm guessing don't work in
Speaker 1: a creat a field, who have said, well, what's the
Speaker 1: big deal? The brand in question bought the artwork, they
Speaker 1: can essentially now do whatever they want with it. However,
Speaker 1: that is actually not true. Tani and her work are
Speaker 1: protected under Australia's Copyright Act for Moral Rights. So under
Speaker 1: Australian copyright law, buying a physical artwork like a painting
Speaker 1: or sculpture does not necessarily give you the legal right
Speaker 1: to deface, modify or destroy it, particularly if the artist
Speaker 1: still holds moral rights. So when you buy a piece
Speaker 1: of art, you own the physical object, but copyright and
Speaker 1: moral rights often remain with the artists unless they've been
Speaker 1: explicitly wavered or assigned. So essentially, under this Moral Right Act,
Speaker 1: the artist still has the right of integrity, which in
Speaker 1: this case it has not been kept. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can't just simply do whatever you want with an artist's painting,
Speaker 1: particularly when you are then going to post about it
Speaker 1: on social media or display the new artwork in public.
Speaker 1: I never really thought about it before, but it makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense because you think about all of
Speaker 1: the beautiful historic artwork that hangs in galleries. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'd never really considered that someone rich could buy it
Speaker 1: and destroy it all. But I'm glad to hear that
Speaker 1: it's actually protected by law. Well, this is an Australian law,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure other countries have something similar. I mean
Speaker 1: people have been pointing out, look, this wasn't a came
Speaker 1: art reprint of a canvas that you can take home
Speaker 1: and essentially do as you please. This is an Australian
Speaker 1: artist's original artwork that has been destroyed. It's disgusting. I mean,
Speaker 1: just go buy a blank canvas.
Speaker 3: So you're going to tell everyone if you're having a
Speaker 3: baby brother or a baby sister, you can't talk.
Speaker 1: No, he can't. So that's why we have said it
Speaker 1: on the pod today. Now, Tuesday was a very big
Speaker 1: day for influencer babies. Two Ozzie influencers announced they were pregnant,
Speaker 1: while another gave birth. The one that shocked me the
Speaker 1: most was jar Da Tunci.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: She announced on Tuesday that she's joining the two under
Speaker 1: two club, So she shared a carousel of professional photos
Speaker 1: from a family photo shoot and wrote, Lote Fletcher and
Speaker 1: I are overjoyed to share that our little family will
Speaker 1: be growing this December. I immediately screenshot this as soon
Speaker 1: as I saw it and sent it to you, Cake.
Speaker 1: So I knew that you would have a big reaction
Speaker 1: to this because you had your son Jack around the
Speaker 1: very similar time to jar Day had Fletcher, and I
Speaker 1: know that you just couldn't wrap your head around the
Speaker 1: fact that she's having another one. So so I had
Speaker 1: to do a double take because I, hang on, this
Speaker 1: can't be correct, because yeah, Fletcher is four days younger
Speaker 1: than Jack, and I'm currently getting ready for Jack's birthday party.
Speaker 1: In the thought of being pregnant with the second one,
Speaker 1: I send my love to Jade Tunci. That would be
Speaker 1: so difficult. She's had such a big transformation since becoming
Speaker 1: a mum. I think before motherhood people found her content
Speaker 1: quite confusing because she was trying to be comedic about stuff,
Speaker 1: but then she wasn't that relatable, so people didn't get it.
Speaker 1: But now that she's a mom and she's been sharing
Speaker 1: the reality of motherhood, people like, I get you now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's actually very funny. I mean I was one of
Speaker 1: those people that didn't really like her content, and now
Speaker 1: I really enjoy it. And she has been really vulnerable
Speaker 1: in sharing everything that she's been going through. I mean
Speaker 1: I was glued to her Instagram story when she was
Speaker 1: trying to get Fletcher to sleep in his own cot
Speaker 1: because they're still struggling with this sleep at the moment,
Speaker 1: which is why I'm like, oh my god, those poor people.
Speaker 1: Adding a newborn baby into the mix as well. Well,
Speaker 1: It's funny looking at TikTok and Instagram's reaction because on
Speaker 1: Instagram she shared these beautiful family photos and people were
Speaker 1: so excited and sharing their love. However, she shared a
Speaker 1: different announcement on TikTok. It was a video of her
Speaker 1: walking along the beach and she turned around to show
Speaker 1: off her baby. She's currently on this holiday at the
Speaker 1: Great Barrier Reef and I think that's where she shot
Speaker 1: the video. And people's reactions were so different. On TikTok.
Speaker 1: A lot of people were like, oh my god, what
Speaker 1: are you doing. Someone wrote congratulations, I have two under two.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, but please prepare yourself mentally I have a
Speaker 1: village of support and still cry weakly. People don't need this,
Speaker 1: I know. Another said two under two is rough. Good luck.
Speaker 1: Fortunately for jar Day, a lot of mum's chimes in
Speaker 1: saying the opposite, and they love the experience of having
Speaker 1: two under two. I have to admit, though, my TikTok
Speaker 1: algorithm at the moment is people talking about how hellish
Speaker 1: two under two are. Just in case Jade's listening. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it to her. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's a beautiful experience, but a lot of
Speaker 1: people are saying one is an accessory and two is
Speaker 1: a lifestyle. So I just have no idea how mom
Speaker 1: had three at the same time, Like, I just have
Speaker 1: so much respect for her. What's funny you say that
Speaker 1: because jar Day's sister actually commented saying three babies at Christmas,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people didn't realize that jarda sister
Speaker 1: is thirty eight weeks pregnant, so she's talking about jar
Speaker 1: Day's two and her one, but three people saying, oh
Speaker 1: my god, have you just announced that jar Day's having twins.
Speaker 1: In saying that jar Day has revealed on her podcast
Speaker 1: that she is having another boy. So she said that
Speaker 1: she and Locke we're hoping maybe it was a girl,
Speaker 1: but they're really happy to have a brother for Fletcher now.
Speaker 1: Ella Ding also announced that she was pregnant on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: but in a rather unorthodoxed way. So the former Maths
Speaker 1: contestant broke the news with a sponsored post for clear Blue.
Speaker 1: So the pregnancy test was front and center in the
Speaker 1: photo that she shared of her and her husband, and
Speaker 1: she wrote on Instagram, somewhere between healing and hustling, the
Speaker 1: next chapter quietly chose us, baby Palermo. You've already made
Speaker 1: our story sweeter and given us the best news of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Yet. She then finished the caption with
Speaker 1: the hashtags ad and clear Blue confirmed. I love that
Speaker 1: she references hustling in this because this is the ultimate
Speaker 1: hustle to have your pregnancy announcement sponsored. I mean, what
Speaker 1: do you do do you know that you're pregnant then
Speaker 1: then go around to brand saying, hey, would you like
Speaker 1: to sponsor this post? Like it's I would be fascinated
Speaker 1: to know how this all came about. Yeah, well, her
Speaker 1: former best friend in Mass alumni dom was quick to
Speaker 1: call out the sponsorship deal, so under a post that
Speaker 1: influencer updates a you shared about the news, she wrote,
Speaker 1: even has to monetize her pregnancy announcements. Some people will
Speaker 1: never change. Wow. It's interesting to point out that Dom
Speaker 1: is also pregnant at the moment. So she announced just
Speaker 1: two months ago that she was expecting a baby with
Speaker 1: her partner Jared. A couple of days after the announcement, though,
Speaker 1: she revealed she'd broken up with Jared and would be
Speaker 1: raising the baby as a single mum. I mean, things
Speaker 1: have not been good between Dom and Ella ever since
Speaker 1: they announced that they were pulling the pin on their
Speaker 1: podcast Sit with Us back in August twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll get the band back together to do a
Speaker 1: mother in podcast or something. I could see that happening. No,
Speaker 1: that is definitely not happening. They're not even on talking
Speaker 1: terms at the moment. Yeah, but motherhood seems to change people.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll have this epiphany and be like, we should
Speaker 1: come together and forgive. Maybe in the newborn phase, but
Speaker 1: not when they've got pregnancy hormonal rage going. That could
Speaker 1: make things worse. That could make the feud even deeper. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: Dom actually spoke about this feud on her podcast or
Speaker 1: her new podcast called mad Woman recently, and at the
Speaker 1: time there was a lot of speculation that their podcast
Speaker 1: ended because they had a falling out. She confirmed that
Speaker 1: that was the case, no way, and it all stemmed
Speaker 1: from the backlash they received after interviewing Math's twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four villain Jack Dunkley. So at the time, if you recall,
Speaker 1: they were slammed by Abby Chatfield for platforming him, and
Speaker 1: it turns out that Dom and Ella had very differing
Speaker 1: opinions on how to handle the situation, which led to
Speaker 1: the friendship breakdown. Now on Tuesday, again, it seemed to
Speaker 1: be a very special day. Christie Swadling gave birth to
Speaker 1: her first son, Rocco, and she has been very open
Speaker 1: about her fertility struggles. She shared her journey to conceive
Speaker 1: with her followers, including undergoing IVF, so it was really
Speaker 1: lovely to see her finally have her baby boy. So
Speaker 1: if we usually dissect the baby name, all I could
Speaker 1: think about was that ABC Kids show Rocko's Modern Life.
Speaker 1: I've actually got the theme song stuck in my head
Speaker 1: at the moment. What a blast from the past. I
Speaker 1: forget about that show. I look, I'm holding back on
Speaker 1: my comments about baby names. Singer's mine's going to be
Speaker 1: coming out a few weeks. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: too harsh to anyone there. Yeah. Well, Christy kept her
Speaker 1: followers updated on her Instagram story throughout the day of
Speaker 1: the birth, so she actually started experiencing contractions on the
Speaker 1: Sunday and ended up being induced on Tuesday, and she
Speaker 1: revealed if she didn't go into labor that night, she
Speaker 1: would have had to have her waters broken the following day. Fortunately,
Speaker 1: she gave birth that night and wrote on her Instagram
Speaker 1: story that escalated so quickly and I had a fully
Speaker 1: unmedicated birth. I wasn't planning to laugh out loud. Birth
Speaker 1: story is wild and keen to share now. As for
Speaker 1: Steph Claire Smith, at the time of recording, we are
Speaker 1: still on baby watch. On her TikTok, she was doing
Speaker 1: a little sort of segment where each day she'd film
Speaker 1: a TikTok where she was dancing until the baby was there,
Speaker 1: but bogging. Sorry, but she abruptly stopped that because I
Speaker 1: think she realized, oh fuck, that means everyone will know
Speaker 1: when I go into labor. So she did go quiet
Speaker 1: on social media over the weekend, which did prompt fans
Speaker 1: to speculate perhaps she'd given birth. She was back though,
Speaker 1: with a fresh bump photo shoot. I thought we'd seen
Speaker 1: the last of those. If I see this, I know
Speaker 1: this un terrible. If I see that bump one more time, Like,
Speaker 1: I literally feel like I've seen her own bump more
Speaker 1: than my own bump, Like fucking hell. Like even the
Speaker 1: people that feel like they've been pregnant forever. Anna macavoy
Speaker 1: is on that level for me as well. I feel
Speaker 1: like those two women have both been pregnant for the
Speaker 1: longest time. Anna actually had Steph on her podcast recently,
Speaker 1: She's got a pregnancy podcast out, and I didn't realize
Speaker 1: they're actually go back a while. They modeled together. Well,
Speaker 1: they were both poop bearing it in the studio. They
Speaker 1: both had their bumps out, and it just looked hilarious
Speaker 1: because I'm used to seeing maybe one woman being edgy
Speaker 1: with a pregnant bump out, but it just looked funny. Two. Look,
Speaker 1: they both have beautiful pregnancy bumps.
Speaker 4: They do.
Speaker 1: I'm very envious of their shape. I have to put
Speaker 1: it out there every morning to speak about this for
Speaker 1: a while, and I'm sure, Well tell me if you
Speaker 1: can relate. I feel like I have a b belly bump.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why I'm feeling me to explain because you
Speaker 1: keep using this word b belly and you don't give
Speaker 1: it any context. What does that even mean? So basically,
Speaker 1: there are two pregnancy shapes. One looks like a D SO.
Speaker 1: If you're thinking of a D SO, it's like a round,
Speaker 1: a beautiful round belly. Mine looks like it's got two bumps,
Speaker 1: like a B. So capital B like a capital B.
Speaker 1: Do you know what? I'm very sensitive of it. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's why I'm not getting one out. I've just thought
Speaker 1: of something to make you feel better. Didn't Molly may
Speaker 1: have that as well, did she? Yeah, she complained that
Speaker 1: she didn't have the bump that she wanted. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure she now that you have explained it how to
Speaker 1: b belly as well? Oh okay, well I'm in good
Speaker 1: company there. Anyway, I have totally hijacked this story. Okay,
Speaker 1: well back to Steph. So, as you said, we are
Speaker 1: on pregnancy watch. But on Thursday, she and Laura decided
Speaker 1: to use her impending birth to tease a new update
Speaker 1: for their fitness app Kick. Let's throw to the clip
Speaker 1: Halla have you had your favor yet, are you with labor. No,
Speaker 1: they're very comfortable in there obviously, but no, they are
Speaker 1: coming any day now. And it got me thinking, we
Speaker 1: haven't had an update on that thing yet. Have you
Speaker 1: guys decided when we're doing that thing? So we are launching.
Speaker 2: Sunday, But don't worry, it's all sorted and it's going
Speaker 2: to be amazing.
Speaker 1: I really hope that it's more exciting than their last
Speaker 1: marketing campaign, which was a bit of a flop over
Speaker 1: that whole Polarates hotline where people can ring in and
Speaker 1: ask about personalized Polarates plans, because they really did hype
Speaker 1: that up. Yeah, I'm intrigued to see what it is.
Speaker 1: I have been using kick i think now for six
Speaker 1: or seven years, so I've always been a fan of
Speaker 1: the app. Yeah, it is a great app. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think some of their marketing promotions have been
Speaker 1: interesting of late. Laura Henshaw's husband, who owns Bullfrog Media,
Speaker 1: has been responsible for a lot of those campaigns, so
Speaker 1: there's probably a bit of pressure on him now to
Speaker 1: put out something that really resonates with their audience. Let's
Speaker 1: get into our Friday debrief and I have had quite
Speaker 1: an interesting morning. So those of you will know Archie,
Speaker 1: who is not the name of my unborn son, that is,
Speaker 1: in fact my cocker spaniel. Just a fun fact there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we actually had a few confused listeners because you were
Speaker 1: talking about the card Brandon gave you for Mother's Day
Speaker 1: and you said he signed it off from your unborn child,
Speaker 1: Archie and him. You didn't pause. You meant to say
Speaker 1: unboord child, your dog Archie and Brandon. I thought it
Speaker 1: was obvious anyway. No, so Archie is not my baby name.
Speaker 1: But anyway, people who have been listening to the podcast
Speaker 1: for a long time know that Archie is basically our
Speaker 1: child as well. He's a Golden Cockers Spaniel. He has
Speaker 1: around thirty seven thousand followers on Instagram. He's known as
Speaker 1: being a bit of a pupfluencer, and he actually has
Speaker 1: a manager to a dog manager who gets any sort
Speaker 1: of promotional work for him. They reached out to me.
Speaker 1: He's on their website. I thought why not anyway, so
Speaker 1: we don't really get that many jobs from him. I
Speaker 1: think this is the first one this year, and it's
Speaker 1: for a vet clinic or a vet company specialist vets
Speaker 1: and basically my husband and I had to go down
Speaker 1: and film a little video with him, and we were
Speaker 1: just laughing because I was showing you back some of
Speaker 1: the vision and it just cracked us up that this
Speaker 1: vets they're posing with Archie is if he's some sort
Speaker 1: of little celebrity that's gone into the clinic. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: were just laughing about how funny it is that this
Speaker 1: vet would have got this call briefing him about how
Speaker 1: this puffluence is coming in and he has to film
Speaker 1: with him, Like so funny. I know I'm biased, but
Speaker 1: he is just such a good little model for things.
Speaker 1: He poses perfectly for photos. He takes such good direction
Speaker 1: whenever he's helped us out with any of our sponsors
Speaker 1: stuff for the podcast, Like how well behaved is he?
Speaker 1: I'm not just oh he's I mean, he's putting my
Speaker 1: dog to shame. I had an absolute nightmare yesterday because
Speaker 1: my dog Sonny decided to eat one of Jack's little
Speaker 1: smocks that he wears, which a lovely local brand. Reached
Speaker 1: out and give those to U Kate to where I've
Speaker 1: got two left. But yeah, yeah, Sonny stole one of
Speaker 1: them when I wasn't looking. She took it up We've
Speaker 1: got like a three tiered backyard, so she's on the
Speaker 1: top level. I could even see her. I went up there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you doing? She didn't literally half
Speaker 1: of the smock it's quite thick material. Had to get
Speaker 1: my in laws down. They were so kind and took
Speaker 1: Sonny down to the vet. There's a silver lining though,
Speaker 1: because it seems like Sonny has this thing called picker,
Speaker 1: which is where dogs just eat anything, so it's not
Speaker 1: just food, it's like other objects that they shouldn't be eating.
Speaker 1: And the vet has mentioned that maybe we can put
Speaker 1: her on prozac, which will help. I googled that. I
Speaker 1: couldn't actually see whether that was a real condition or not. Picker,
Speaker 1: Yeah it is, it's pic Ah did spell it encreas? No,
Speaker 1: it is legitimate condition. If anyone has a dog that
Speaker 1: has picker and has had any results with prozac, I
Speaker 1: would love to know. My Friday debrief is a little
Speaker 1: bit different. I've got a recommendation. So Reese and I
Speaker 1: are currently off chocolate. We just finished off our Easter
Speaker 1: egg hole, which took over a month, that's how much
Speaker 1: chocolate there was. And God, I have been indulging and
Speaker 1: we're like we need to start eating healthy because we
Speaker 1: cook Jack all these beautiful healthy meals and I'm like,
Speaker 1: we don't even eat this nice stuff. So I have
Speaker 1: a recipe to share because I always have to have
Speaker 1: a sweet treat before I go to bed. And I
Speaker 1: just googled sweet treat on TikTok and I think these
Speaker 1: have been doing the rounds for I don't know, probably
Speaker 1: a couple of years now, but I wanted to endorse them.
Speaker 1: It's literally appit a date. You put peanut butter on it.
Speaker 1: We didn't have any, but you can put sprinkled peanuts,
Speaker 1: and then you drizzle a bit of dark chocolate. And
Speaker 1: I said it was having chocolate. It was like seventy
Speaker 1: or eighty percent dark chocolate. I don't count that as chocolate.
Speaker 1: It's have you got some sort of pregnancy algorithm going?
Speaker 1: Because I've seen these as something that pregnant women should
Speaker 1: eat a couple of weeks before they give you soften
Speaker 1: your cervix or something, because're apparently supposed to have like
Speaker 1: eight dates a day, which well, no, this is not
Speaker 1: that at all. I feel like it's the exact same
Speaker 1: recipe that I've seen. Well, why would I be trying
Speaker 1: to soften my service. I'm not saying you are. I'm
Speaker 1: saying that I feel like this recipe is pop up
Speaker 1: for you, probably because we keep sending you pregnancies. Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: I googled it sweet treat. Okay, anyway, then a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, I've got a bat to the fridge if
Speaker 1: you wants all right, I mean to be honest. Dates
Speaker 1: sound bloody awful. They're nice. Look in winter, it's getting cold.
Speaker 1: I think you've got to have a bit of chocolate.
Speaker 1: Think of sticky day pudding. How nice that is? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: well it hasn't got me over the edge. Well maybe
Speaker 1: we'll make your sticky date pudding in your last week
Speaker 1: at pregnant. I'd rather have that. Well that is all
Speaker 1: we have time for today. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us for this episode. If you have enjoyed it,
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Speaker 1: subs episode we had out this week because I have
Speaker 1: to say it was quite a funny one. We spoke
Speaker 1: about Saffron Barker's gross toilet moment, which we have shared
Speaker 1: a bit about on our Instagram stories. She ended up
Speaker 1: sparking a bit of debate after eating chocolate rice crackers
Speaker 1: from the lid of her toilet. We're going to discuss
Speaker 1: our thoughts that. In the subs episode, we also spoke
Speaker 1: about Sarah's Day's secret babysitter. And also we spoke about
Speaker 1: that viral photo that Harry Styles took of a fan.
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