Speaker 1: For myself, I was really when I was trying to
Speaker 1: find my dharma, I was like waiting for approval of others.
Speaker 1: So just to drop the need to gain the approval
Speaker 1: of other people and to trust that you know your dharma,
Speaker 1: and that really gave me a level of freedom to
Speaker 1: not seek validation, to not seek anyone else giving me
Speaker 1: a gold star, and just to trust even if it
Speaker 1: didn't make sense to anyone else around me. And for
Speaker 1: anyone who you know may have this idea and it
Speaker 1: feels weird or far off or it's not logical, to
Speaker 1: really trust that and honor it because part of it
Speaker 1: is related to your dharma.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Rise in Kunka Podcasts. I'm your
Speaker 2: host Georgie Stephenson, fulmer, lawyer turned entrepreneur, social media personality
Speaker 2: and personal development junkie. This podcast is for my girl
Speaker 2: gang who want to feed their mind with positive and
Speaker 2: expansive thoughts to help them step into their power and
Speaker 2: live their most authentic life. We chat a variety of
Speaker 2: topics including mindset, business, relationships, health, and so much more. Basically,
Speaker 2: wherever you are on your journey, I want to help
Speaker 2: you feel inspired and empowered to rise up and conquer
Speaker 2: your next bold move. I know that's going to look
Speaker 2: different for everyone, but just no, I'm right here by
Speaker 2: your side and that you have the RNC community behind you.
Speaker 3: Let's do this.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to season four of The Rise and
Speaker 2: Conquered podcast. To kick off the season, we are chatting
Speaker 2: with Sahara Rose. Sahara has blessed the podcast with her
Speaker 2: presence before, so I'm so excited to have her back
Speaker 2: on the show and to unpack her new book, Discover
Speaker 2: Your Dama. If you haven't heard of Sahara before, she
Speaker 2: is a best selling author, public speaker, and host of
Speaker 2: the popular podcast The Highest Self. I was lucky enough
Speaker 2: to be one of the first to read her new book,
Speaker 2: and can I just say it is incredible. Discover Your
Speaker 2: Dama is all about discovering your sole purpose and really
Speaker 2: discovering your why. As we are entering a new year
Speaker 2: and I'm sure we all have some new goals or passions,
Speaker 2: I thought this episode was very timely and also very
Speaker 2: insightful for those who feel like they may not necessarily
Speaker 2: have found the dama or purpose in life yet, but
Speaker 2: after twenty twenty, they're on the hunt. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: thought this episode would be so good for the New year.
Speaker 2: It was such an incredible chat. Let's get straight into
Speaker 2: the show. Hi, Sahara, and welcome back to the Rising
Speaker 2: Conquer podcast.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. It's an honor
Speaker 3: to be back. Georgie.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to have you back. And today we
Speaker 2: are talking about your new book, Discover Your Drama. Can
Speaker 2: I just say, first of all, congratulations. I am just
Speaker 2: about finish this book.
Speaker 3: I was very.
Speaker 2: Lucky to get it early, and it is amazing and
Speaker 2: I just could not wait to tattoo about it.
Speaker 1: That makes me so excited because you're really one of
Speaker 1: the first people to have read it, so I'm so
Speaker 1: glad you're enjoying it.
Speaker 2: No, honestly, Sahara, it's amazing and I was just like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I cannot wait to get her on
Speaker 2: the podcast and tell everyone. And also when this podcast
Speaker 2: will go live, it will be literally the start of January,
Speaker 2: and I feel like it's the perfect timing for someone
Speaker 2: to read this book and really dive deep because they're
Speaker 2: probably still going to be on holidays and you know
Speaker 2: that New Year energy, and I think especially after twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: it has been a lot. It's been a big yea,
Speaker 2: and I think we've all got more of this, I
Speaker 2: guess consciousness and just seeing things in a different perspective, reflecting,
Speaker 2: and Yeah, I just couldn't think of the better time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's interesting because I started this book
Speaker 1: almost two years ago, and I obviously knew twenty twenty
Speaker 1: was going to be a big year, but I didn't
Speaker 1: really realize how big or how it would take shape.
Speaker 1: And we're in this really interesting time right now because
Speaker 1: we're experiencing the biggest job loss and the biggest job
Speaker 1: transition in modern history, and the opportunity for us to
Speaker 1: really create a life that is more in alignment with
Speaker 1: our gifts, our talents, our strengths, and to use this
Speaker 1: moment right now to really ask ourselves, how do I
Speaker 1: want to continue to show up and be part of
Speaker 1: this world, and how can I make it more in
Speaker 1: alignment with my purpose.
Speaker 2: I really resonate with that would alignment for the end
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty. It really is something that I have
Speaker 2: been reflecting, especially as I'm reading your book. It's just
Speaker 2: been instilled and I'm like, alignment is what I need
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, alignment is you know, essentially for all
Speaker 1: parts of your life to be in clarity with who
Speaker 1: you are out this time. And that's not a one
Speaker 1: time process. It's going to continue to shift, just like
Speaker 1: your dharma is not a one time thing. It's to
Speaker 1: forever be in alignment with your truth.
Speaker 2: Yes. Well, okay, so before we get ahead of ourselves,
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a question that I'm going
Speaker 2: to be asking all my Season four guests and also guys,
Speaker 2: I just want to preface this and let you guys
Speaker 2: know that out like we were kind of saying at
Speaker 2: the start, me and Sahara did a podcast probably a
Speaker 2: good two years ago and it is amazing. I will
Speaker 2: link it in the show notes, and I highly recommend
Speaker 2: if you have listened to that podcast, also go back
Speaker 2: to that podcast. So that's why you just in case
Speaker 2: you're confused by I mean Sahara kind of talk like
Speaker 2: was spoken before we have and so I highly recommend
Speaker 2: going back to that episode. But Sahara a question I'm
Speaker 2: asking all my Season four guests, and that is, what
Speaker 2: is your favorite quote that helps you rise and conquer?
Speaker 3: Hmmm?
Speaker 1: So this quote was an affirmation I created when I
Speaker 1: was feeling really overwhelmed by all of the things, because
Speaker 1: sometimes when you're you know, doing your purpose, lack and
Speaker 1: show up. And it is I receive the support I
Speaker 1: need so I can focus my energy on my dharma.
Speaker 1: And I even like printed out postcards and I like
Speaker 1: have them around my office because sometimes we get so
Speaker 1: busy doing so many other things that aren't actually related
Speaker 1: to our dharma, just like you know, the paperwork, the
Speaker 1: nitty gritty, all of these different things. So for me,
Speaker 1: it was really calling upon that support so I could
Speaker 1: pour more energy into what it is that I am
Speaker 1: here to do.
Speaker 2: That is beautiful.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: And so for the listeners who I don't know, you,
Speaker 2: could you give us a bit of a snapshot of
Speaker 2: who Sahara is and what you do.
Speaker 1: So I am an ancient soul in a modern body.
Speaker 1: I am here to raise the vibration of the planet
Speaker 1: and to help show you that your greatest form of
Speaker 1: joy is also in alignment with your greatest form of service.
Speaker 1: And I have written books, multiple books on ayr Veda,
Speaker 1: the world's oldest health system and the sister science of
Speaker 1: yoga based on the mind body connection. I have an
Speaker 1: oracle card deck in journal called The Yoga Path, a
Speaker 1: podcast called Highest Self Podcast, and really I'm here to
Speaker 1: be a bridge and show people that spirituality living in
Speaker 1: alignment with your truth doesn't have to be this like weird,
Speaker 1: far off thing, but it can actually be really grounded,
Speaker 1: approachable and easy.
Speaker 2: I love that you wrapped that up so well. And
Speaker 2: guys at Sahara's podcast, the Highest Self Podcast is amazing
Speaker 2: to highly highly recommend also go and check that out.
Speaker 2: But Sahara, let's get straight into your book because I'm
Speaker 2: so excited. Like I said, I'm just about to finish it,
Speaker 2: and it has really come at an amazing time for me.
Speaker 2: As we are recording this, guys, it is still twenty
Speaker 2: twenty right at the end, you guys will hear this
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. But for me personally, I have
Speaker 2: just gone through some transitions in my life. I recently
Speaker 2: had a miscarriage and then I also had a big
Speaker 2: surgery where I had my breast implants removed, and I'm
Speaker 2: just finished my recovery. But I guess I've had a
Speaker 2: lot of time to reflect and then also just twenty
Speaker 2: twenty being a huge year, and this book has has
Speaker 2: just been such a catalyst and an amazing tool for
Speaker 2: me to reflect and think about, you know, what is
Speaker 2: truly important to me and what I want my life
Speaker 2: to look like. And then what I was saying before
Speaker 2: about living in alignment. So, Sahara, could you explain to
Speaker 2: the listeners what your book, Discover Your Dama is about
Speaker 2: and what gave you the idea to write a book
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, So for me, it began with my own
Speaker 1: journey of questioning if I had a purpose. I you know,
Speaker 1: I lived my life trying to help as many people
Speaker 1: as possible. I always knew that was my purpose. I'm
Speaker 1: here to help people, but I just looked around of
Speaker 1: who's helping the most people? Okay, mother Teresa? Should I
Speaker 1: become a nun Gandhi? Should I, you know, try to
Speaker 1: start a political protest? Like what do I do to
Speaker 1: help people? And in my family, no one was living
Speaker 1: in alignment with their dharma. My mother was a refugee,
Speaker 1: my dad was an immigrant, so it was really focused
Speaker 1: on survival. So I went to college thinking I was
Speaker 1: going to be an international human rights lawyer, and it
Speaker 1: was when I was working with different NGOs that I
Speaker 1: realized that it really wasn't using my gifts. I wasn't
Speaker 1: using my creativity or my communication skills, and I wasn't
Speaker 1: really feeling the people that I wanted to help. So
Speaker 1: I felt really confused of what my purpose could be
Speaker 1: because my identity of just wanting to help people was
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, stripped away from me when this
Speaker 1: career that I was going after was not a fit.
Speaker 1: And at this time, I really wasn't sure what my
Speaker 1: purpose was, and I was dabbling around with so many
Speaker 1: different ideas, and I began to experience different health issues
Speaker 1: which brought me to ayer Veda. Now, in studying Ireveda,
Speaker 1: it really first began for myself. How can I feel
Speaker 1: better in my body? How can I digest food? How
Speaker 1: can I bring my hormones back into balance? My body
Speaker 1: had gone into paramenopause when I was twenty one years old,
Speaker 1: so I became obsessed with learning everything about Iraveda healed
Speaker 1: my body, and then naturally wanted to share it. So
Speaker 1: my goal was I really want to write this book
Speaker 1: on ire Veda. And now at this point, my family
Speaker 1: was like no, no, no, no, no, that's not a career,
Speaker 1: Like you're going to become a starving artist like that
Speaker 1: is not something that you are, that you are meant
Speaker 1: to do at all, You're gonna end up homeless. And
Speaker 1: when they saw I wouldn't listen, it would get worse
Speaker 1: and worse, and you know, it would just really turned
Speaker 1: into a lot of fights and then threatens, threats to
Speaker 1: be disowned and saying that I was selfish for living
Speaker 1: a purpose or that I was ungrateful, and I was confused.
Speaker 1: And it was hard because a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of me believed it too. You know, I didn't know
Speaker 1: if maybe I was going to end up homeless trying
Speaker 1: to write this book, or you know, maybe living your
Speaker 1: purpose is the story they tell you as a kid,
Speaker 1: They tell you to follow your dreams and you grow
Speaker 1: up and then oh no, that was bullshit. That was
Speaker 1: like Santa Claus, you weren't actually supposed to follow your dreams.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wait, am I still believing in
Speaker 1: this fairy tale that doesn't actually exist? So it was
Speaker 1: hard because part of me could feel I had a
Speaker 1: purpose and another part of me was like, where's the proof.
Speaker 1: And it was in those years back and forth that
Speaker 1: I really began to you know, I began to see
Speaker 1: that the world around me it was not in alignment
Speaker 1: with who I was, and that the true directory of
Speaker 1: my life was not one that I that I was
Speaker 1: excited about. So at this time I began to dive
Speaker 1: deeply into spirituality and realizing all of the limiting beliefs
Speaker 1: that I had, the you know, childhood situations that we
Speaker 1: all have ancestral et cetera, and that to me was
Speaker 1: really when the seed of living my dharma was planted.
Speaker 1: And I realized that I had to go through those
Speaker 1: obstacles with my parents, of not believing in me, of
Speaker 1: being disowned of, you know, going through this deep, deep uncertainty,
Speaker 1: so I could find truth and trust within myself and
Speaker 1: be able to you know, sit before people who don't
Speaker 1: believe in me and who you know are questioning what
Speaker 1: I'm doing, and to honor myself enough that that doesn't
Speaker 1: stop me. That was the unique training that my soul needed,
Speaker 1: and that's why it manifested into this situation. So this
Speaker 1: concept of dharma really came to me when I finally
Speaker 1: wrote this book on Araveda, and I walked up to
Speaker 1: Deepak Chopere at a conference, and you know, before I
Speaker 1: knew it, he wrote the forward to my book and
Speaker 1: has written now the forward of three of my books,
Speaker 1: and people would always ask me, how are you doing this? Like,
Speaker 1: how are you living your dreams? How are you able
Speaker 1: to express yourself? And I realized, you know, the story
Speaker 1: behind the story was the how. And that's when I
Speaker 1: began to on my podcast talk a lot more about
Speaker 1: living your dharma and breaking down different ways and processes
Speaker 1: that people can go through to help them not only
Speaker 1: find theirs, but trust it enough to take action on it.
Speaker 1: And that's what inspired me to write this book.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is just insane, and I loved writing that
Speaker 2: story in the book of really how You've got to
Speaker 2: this point? And I think that I really love that
Speaker 2: you chat about is this concept of how the lessons
Speaker 2: that you go through are really the catalysts to you
Speaker 2: know it, finding your drama and going towards at you know,
Speaker 2: the path that you're supposed to be on. So, just
Speaker 2: to be very clear, so is it correct in saying
Speaker 2: that the word dama means your purpose?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So it's your soul's purpose. It is the big reason
Speaker 1: why you are here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it is beyond any one career or one role
Speaker 1: or one project, But it's really the how. So thinking
Speaker 1: of it like your mission statement, right, Like I'm here
Speaker 1: to bring beauty to this world. I'm here to connect
Speaker 1: people to their hearts. I'm here to understand the world
Speaker 1: in a deep way. I'm here to raise consciousness, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So your dharma is that mission statement that transcends and
Speaker 1: connects any role, project, careers, jobs, et cetera. And those
Speaker 1: are really kind of like the services underneath it. So
Speaker 1: your dharma is eternal. Your soul chose your dharma, according
Speaker 1: to Veadic belief, prior to you incarnating on this planet.
Speaker 1: It knew your purpose and it chose the situations, the body,
Speaker 1: everything that you were born into as your unique training
Speaker 1: for you to embody your dharma. So we were born
Speaker 1: with a purpose, but that doesn't mean we're all going
Speaker 1: to live it necessarily. We were born with these gifts,
Speaker 1: these strengths, these talents, this knowing, but then we come
Speaker 1: to this planet and we forget, and it's the process
Speaker 1: of remembering again, remembering your truth, remembering who you are.
Speaker 1: And these are the obstacles that we're going to face.
Speaker 1: And it can look like so many different ways for
Speaker 1: so many different people, but it's really the training for
Speaker 1: us to cultivate the strength, the courage, the grounding, whatever
Speaker 1: that might look like for you, so you can really
Speaker 1: step into an embodiment now of.
Speaker 3: This Darma.
Speaker 2: And I love this. Something that I have really been
Speaker 2: leaning in too recently with my recent personal events is
Speaker 2: the mantra of life happens for me, not to me,
Speaker 2: meaning that you know when even negative things or you know,
Speaker 2: quote unquote negative things happen, not seeing them as oh,
Speaker 2: of course you know this negative thing would happen, but
Speaker 2: seeing them as like you said in regards to a lesson, like,
Speaker 2: how is this teaching me? What am I learning to
Speaker 2: get closer to my Dama?
Speaker 1: Yes, every single lesson I go through in life, now
Speaker 1: I zoom out, what is this teaching me? Okay, I
Speaker 1: see the lesson here, and then it takes you out
Speaker 1: of being so stuck in things or not being able
Speaker 1: to find your way out, or the victimhood, which you
Speaker 1: know is so easy for the ego mind to put
Speaker 1: ourselves in the y me, the y me, and like, okay,
Speaker 1: what is this training me? What is this teaching me?
Speaker 1: What is this helping me see that I may not
Speaker 1: have seen before? And now how can I transmute it?
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Speaker 2: And so in the first chapter, I highlighted this line.
Speaker 2: I even I underlined it. I really enjoyed it, and
Speaker 2: I'm going to read it out to you and I
Speaker 2: would love for you to explain it to the audience.
Speaker 2: So it reads this journey is what prepares and unlocks
Speaker 2: the power, wisdom, strength and vulnerability that you need to
Speaker 2: truly embody your drama. You were born knowing, but only
Speaker 2: through the quest of remembering are you ready to embody.
Speaker 3: So what does it mean to you.
Speaker 2: For me, I loved this because it was kind of
Speaker 2: what I was talking about in regards to, you know,
Speaker 2: going through certain things in your life and going through
Speaker 2: certain lessons and realizing that. I guess like the analogy
Speaker 2: that came to my mind was like, you know, when
Speaker 2: you're peeling away add an onion and you're going through
Speaker 2: the layers and you're seeing different things and you're learning
Speaker 2: different lessons. Bit the whole thing is actually the journey,
Speaker 2: not necessarily the thing in the middle.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense totally? Yes, And it is all
Speaker 3: about the journey.
Speaker 1: I think so many people think, Okay, once I find
Speaker 1: my purpose, then I'm done, and it's like this mountain
Speaker 1: top that you reach the top of and then you're
Speaker 1: chilling forever. And that's not really how it goes. It's
Speaker 1: more of a mountain range. You know, you get to
Speaker 1: one summit and then you go down, and then you
Speaker 1: find another one and you go down. And it's not
Speaker 1: so hierarchical as we try to make it think, and
Speaker 1: that we're trained, like you know, you do grade school
Speaker 1: and until you graduate or you climb the corporate ladder,
Speaker 1: and I see it more of a spiral. You know,
Speaker 1: like you have a level of awareness. You go about
Speaker 1: and you live your life and you come back to
Speaker 1: that very same thing with a deeper level of awareness,
Speaker 1: and the spiral never ends. You just continue to journey
Speaker 1: and journey and journey and get deeper and deeper and deeper.
Speaker 1: M sorry for yeah, so you know. And the other
Speaker 1: thing about that specific sentence is, you know, the it's
Speaker 1: about remembering. I think so many of us think how
Speaker 1: do I find my dharma? I know for myself, I
Speaker 1: was like, how can I find this purpose? It's like
Speaker 1: this like easter egg that I had to go out
Speaker 1: there and find. And it's not so much about finding it.
Speaker 1: It's not outside of you. It's more about remembering who
Speaker 1: you are. So imagine your purpose is you with just
Speaker 1: your naked body, right, It's you and your most natural state,
Speaker 1: and you, throughout your life have put on socks and
Speaker 1: pants and jackets and hats and gloves and layers and
Speaker 1: all of these different layers upon layers upon layers, which
Speaker 1: are conditioning. Society believes all of these different structures we're
Speaker 1: holding onto. So your dharma is not so much about
Speaker 1: now finding something else. It's about the deconditioning unraveling, letting go,
Speaker 1: and the more that you can let go of everything
Speaker 1: it is that you are not, the more you can
Speaker 1: step into who it is that.
Speaker 3: You truly are.
Speaker 2: I love that last sentence that was that it is
Speaker 2: so true, and I feel like also sometimes we go
Speaker 2: through life and you kind of explain this in the book,
Speaker 2: where you know, we wear certain masks and we wear
Speaker 2: certain titles, and it's like at some point we kind
Speaker 2: of picked these things up and are kind of facilitating
Speaker 2: our life under them. But when did we actually, you know,
Speaker 2: want to do these things. Was it what other people
Speaker 2: put on us? Or is it truly what we believe
Speaker 2: in who we.
Speaker 3: Want to be? Mm hmm yes.
Speaker 1: Is it because you think will help you survive or
Speaker 1: because you think it will help you thrive?
Speaker 3: Because there's a very big difference in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And something I would love to get into is
Speaker 2: the concepts of Kira. Am I saying that right Korea, Korea,
Speaker 2: my Australian accent is not doing that any favorites Kira
Speaker 2: and Karma. So this was really interesting to me because
Speaker 2: the way that you explained Karma, I had always seen
Speaker 2: it in a different sort of concept. So I would
Speaker 2: love for you to explain to the audience what these
Speaker 2: two concepts mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we were all born, imagine on this highway,
Speaker 1: and the end of the highway is your dharma. It's
Speaker 1: you at your fullest expression. It's who you truly are
Speaker 1: meant to be. Now you're going down this highway, you're
Speaker 1: on cruise control, and that's when you're experiencing the flow.
Speaker 1: You know, you're feeling inspired, you're excited, you're meeting the
Speaker 1: right people at the right time. You're tuning into a
Speaker 1: podcast hearing exactly what it is you need to hear.
Speaker 1: You're having the exact conversation that gives the spark to
Speaker 1: the next thing. And you may experiencing nicities or coincidences,
Speaker 1: and this is actually normal, like you are supposed to
Speaker 1: live your life this way. Life was meant to be
Speaker 1: lived in flow. And this is Korea, which is boundless
Speaker 1: action from the universe. So the universe is propelling you
Speaker 1: now in the direction of your dharma. However, we're on
Speaker 1: this highway and there are many exits off of this highway.
Speaker 1: So this is when we see people saying, oh, come
Speaker 1: over here, you'll make more money doing this, or your
Speaker 1: parents will only be proud of you if you do that,
Speaker 1: or well, everyone who graduated from school is moving over here,
Speaker 1: or you know what, like dharma doesn't even really exist.
Speaker 1: Just get off here before it's too late. And we
Speaker 1: see everyone around us is going off these different exits,
Speaker 1: so you begin to question, wait, is something wrong with
Speaker 1: me to keep going? Does this darma place even exist?
Speaker 1: Should I get off the exit while I can? Isn't
Speaker 1: more safe? And most of us will get off an
Speaker 1: exit at a certain point in our lives, maybe throughout,
Speaker 1: and that exit it at first It the universe doesn't
Speaker 1: want you to not be in alignment with your darma
Speaker 1: because the universe can only come into balance when we're
Speaker 1: all living in alignment with our truth. It needs it
Speaker 1: needs us all, and that's why it's meant to feel good.
Speaker 1: If you feel good living in alignment with your dharma,
Speaker 1: then the universe can become whole.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: The opposite of that, which is what we listen to
Speaker 1: as humans, is pain. You know. It's just like when
Speaker 1: your when your foot is infected, you're going to experience pain,
Speaker 1: and that's your body's way of saying something's wrong here.
Speaker 1: Pay attention to this. That's how our human bodies just work.
Speaker 1: We often don't leave a relationship, et cetera until we
Speaker 1: feel a certain amount of pain. So we get off
Speaker 1: this exit and at first the universe begins to tap
Speaker 1: tap tap, Hey, something's off. This job is not not
Speaker 1: in alignment with your truth. You're not supposed to be here,
Speaker 1: so that could feel like anxiety or just this, yeah,
Speaker 1: this feeling like I don't know, something's energetically off, or
Speaker 1: you're just not feeling inspired, you're feeling feeling blocked. However,
Speaker 1: most of us choose not to listen. We think that
Speaker 1: that's normal.
Speaker 3: Life's tough.
Speaker 1: Get a helmet, so you keep going in that same direction,
Speaker 1: and the universe is like, Okay, she is not listening.
Speaker 1: Punch punch, punch. That can look like a breakdown, a
Speaker 1: panic attack, depression, something to really knock you off of
Speaker 1: your feet for you to notice. And again, we might
Speaker 1: just start drinking more or medicating more, or doing something
Speaker 1: else to numb ourselves so we can continue to persevere
Speaker 1: through this. We think that that's what life is. It's
Speaker 1: a series of unfortunate events, right, And then the universe
Speaker 1: is like, wow, she's really not listening, And that's when
Speaker 1: it can turn into a collision, something so big that
Speaker 1: you have no choice but to look at that.
Speaker 3: You are knocked off your feet again.
Speaker 1: That could be physical, that could be in a more
Speaker 1: metaphorical way, and that's your choice right there to listen.
Speaker 3: Now, some people still do not. Some people live like this.
Speaker 1: Breakdown after breakdown after breakdown, and that's their whole life.
Speaker 1: They're not listening, they're not pivoting. However, many of us
Speaker 1: finally in that breakdown moment, and I'm sure everyone who's
Speaker 1: listening to this, if you're listening to this podcast, you
Speaker 1: are wanting to make your life better in some sort
Speaker 1: of way. So from that breakdown, we pivot, you turn,
Speaker 1: We figure out, Okay, what is feeling out of alignment.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's this job I'm showing up at it every day,
Speaker 1: or this relationship or this home, et cetera. And then
Speaker 1: from there you start to get momentum back. You're going
Speaker 1: back towards that highway you were born on, back towards Korea.
Speaker 1: But at first it could feel really hard because you've
Speaker 1: moved so far away from it. So one thing that
Speaker 1: I share in the book is sometimes to get to
Speaker 1: the path of least resistance, we have to follow the path.
Speaker 1: We are the most resistant too. So if you have
Speaker 1: been living forever in that series of unfortunate events, which
Speaker 1: is car bounded action by the universe, then at first
Speaker 1: it may feel really uncomfortable for you to go back
Speaker 1: into flow. You don't even know what that feels like.
Speaker 1: It feels so unnatural for you, and you may have
Speaker 1: made a lot of decisions that have prevented you from
Speaker 1: getting there. So it's maybe having breakups, tough conversations, quitting
Speaker 1: of jobs, confrontations, et cetera. But I think of it
Speaker 1: as like you're on a beach, right, You're on the sand,
Speaker 1: and your dharma is out in the open waters. Now
Speaker 1: to get out to those open waters, you got to
Speaker 1: move through those waves. And those waves are now the
Speaker 1: personal resistances that you have of I'm not good enough,
Speaker 1: or it's too late, or someone else is doing it,
Speaker 1: or I'm not worthy of it, et cetera. And as
Speaker 1: you go through those waves, you begin to get stronger,
Speaker 1: you learn how to navigate them, you are able to
Speaker 1: circumvent them, and before you know it, you're out in
Speaker 1: those open waters and you're like, ah, this is what
Speaker 1: the path of least resistance was meant to feel like
Speaker 1: this is what the korea and the flow is meant
Speaker 1: to feel like. So that karma is the bounded action
Speaker 1: by the universe, which is the universe trying to propel
Speaker 1: you back into your dharma. However, to get there, you're
Speaker 1: going to face some personal resistances now that are your
Speaker 1: own limiting beliefs that are often tied to feeling unworthy, confused, etc.
Speaker 1: And I go through each and everyone in the book
Speaker 1: the most common obstacles that are keeping us from our dharmas.
Speaker 1: But I think that's where a lot of people get stuck.
Speaker 1: I know I would get stuck of like, if I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to follow the path of least resistance, then shouldn't
Speaker 1: I just like do nothing and like let it happen
Speaker 1: for me? And it's not that you know, we are
Speaker 1: all creators and Creatrix is in human form, so the
Speaker 1: very reason that it desires inside of us means that
Speaker 1: it is meant for us. I always share in the book,
Speaker 1: your dreams are dreaming you back. The very reason why
Speaker 1: they are your dreams is because it's meant to be
Speaker 1: part of your reality. However, like mentioned, those waves are
Speaker 1: those obstacles that you get to over come to further
Speaker 1: sheep you to embody that purpose.
Speaker 2: I love that analogy so much. And it's funny because
Speaker 2: I actually released a podcast a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 2: and I spoke about the concept of a struggle, and
Speaker 2: I think from a young age I developed this limiting
Speaker 2: belief that you know, to achieve something or get somewhere,
Speaker 2: you have to have this concept of struggling together like
Speaker 2: grit and it being super hard. And recently, in the
Speaker 2: last couple of years, I've actually switched that around where
Speaker 2: in my business I take the path that feels aligned
Speaker 2: and less resistant, even if it's not what everyone else
Speaker 2: is doing, and even if it feels too easy. But
Speaker 2: so often I find that, like you were saying in
Speaker 2: regards to things are meant to feel good, things are
Speaker 2: meant to feel easy, things are meant to feel in flow.
Speaker 2: And I think it's kind of a bit of a
Speaker 2: as society, you know, the whole you know, sleep when
Speaker 2: you're dead, and like you know that sort of like
Speaker 2: Gary the energy where it's like very full on and
Speaker 2: you've got to struggle. And don't get me wrong, I love,
Speaker 2: you know, putting in action and putting in work, but
Speaker 2: one hundred percent there's something in when things feel in
Speaker 2: alignment and things feel in flow.
Speaker 1: Yes, And it's knowing the nuances of when to push
Speaker 1: and when not to. So there's that personal resistance, which
Speaker 1: is the like I don't want to have this tough conversation,
Speaker 1: or you know this job is not that bad, so
Speaker 1: I might as well keep doing it, or oh maybe
Speaker 1: he'll change. And these are your own personal resistances that
Speaker 1: those are things that might feel really scary and intimidating
Speaker 1: and the last thing you want to do to overcome,
Speaker 1: but you know they're going to bring you towards more expansion.
Speaker 1: Then there's the universe resistance, which is like why why
Speaker 1: are you really doing it? Like do you even want
Speaker 1: this end goal? Or are you doing it because you
Speaker 1: feel like you're not going to be worthy or validated
Speaker 1: or enough or accomplished, et cetera if you don't And
Speaker 1: really looking at that, because I think that so often
Speaker 1: we like either go into the that super Gary V
Speaker 1: and I love Gary V, and it's just like I
Speaker 1: would like I would love to stay with gary V.
Speaker 1: And it's like what's your why, Like what is the
Speaker 1: what is the big reason why? And I do believe
Speaker 1: that he is connected to your dharma. But but like
Speaker 1: looking at what is what is the energy that you
Speaker 1: want to live in and the energy that you want
Speaker 1: to create. Now, some people like myself, when I like
Speaker 1: didn't know how to take action, I needed that gary
Speaker 1: V medicine was so helpful for me. And then at
Speaker 1: certain other chapters in your life you need to learn
Speaker 1: how to trust and flow and surrender, whereas for other
Speaker 1: people that might not be the medicine they need right now.
Speaker 1: So that's why I love looking out the personal versus
Speaker 1: universal resistance. So then it's not really like this one
Speaker 1: size fits all. It's is this a block? But if
Speaker 1: I go through it, it's going to make me feel
Speaker 1: more expansive or it's going to make me feel more contractive.
Speaker 3: So true.
Speaker 2: And I think it's also as you go through those
Speaker 2: different things almost like the more you go through them,
Speaker 2: the more you know them m h exactly.
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, we begin to feel more of
Speaker 1: the nuances of why. And that's why I love feeling
Speaker 1: in my body of like what does expansive and contractive
Speaker 1: feel like? So you know, expansive for each person is
Speaker 1: going to feel different, like for you, Georgie, what does
Speaker 1: expansive feel like in your body.
Speaker 2: For me, like I was kind of saying before, it
Speaker 2: feels like this sense of almost alignment and peace and happiness,
Speaker 2: and even though I'm so happy to put in the
Speaker 2: work and I actually kind of thrive in that aspect,
Speaker 2: but it feels like I guess the only way I
Speaker 2: can describe it is it just feels right. It just
Speaker 2: feels like me. It just feels right.
Speaker 1: And what are some things that you do in your
Speaker 1: darma that help you feel like that?
Speaker 2: A huge thing for me. I used to work like
Speaker 2: corporate law. I used to have to get to work
Speaker 2: at seven point thirty. And something that I realized is
Speaker 2: my morning routine is huge. So sitting down meditating and
Speaker 2: journaling and having a slow morning completely sets me up
Speaker 2: in the perfect like mind frame and attitude to take
Speaker 2: on the day. And I can notice a huge difference
Speaker 2: when I don't do those sorts of things.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: And what are some things that you do in your
Speaker 1: business that help you feel like that?
Speaker 2: For me, I love doing things where I'm a big
Speaker 2: controlling person, so I like to be on top of everything.
Speaker 2: I like to have lists, I like to I'm a
Speaker 2: big pitter energy person. So I like to have that
Speaker 2: sort of aspects where I'm in control, I have list,
Speaker 2: I know what is happening. But also what I find
Speaker 2: works really well for me is when I do sort
Speaker 2: of you know, surrender and step back. And because I
Speaker 2: do have a team now and I kind of you know,
Speaker 2: let them be in their zones of genius. I find
Speaker 2: that is really powerful in us going a lot further
Speaker 2: than me kind of you know, being super controlling all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, And I think that that's what's important to
Speaker 1: see where do I feel alive and if it's for
Speaker 1: you doing the more pita you know, organizational or directional,
Speaker 1: et cetera, to let yourself keep doing that and to
Speaker 1: also feel well, when does it feel contractive? So for you,
Speaker 1: what does contractive feel like in your body.
Speaker 2: When I'm stressed, when I'm agitating, and when I'm feeling
Speaker 2: like scattered like all over the place.
Speaker 1: And what are some things that you do in your
Speaker 1: business that make you feel like that.
Speaker 2: When I'm micro managing people and when I'm getting to
Speaker 2: I find i'm more of like the visionary. I like
Speaker 2: to oversee things and make sure you know everything is
Speaker 2: going well. But in this kind of biggest scale rather
Speaker 2: than being in the nitty gritty details.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 1: So for everyone listening to this, having that as your
Speaker 1: compass of what feels expansive, what feels contractive, what does
Speaker 1: it feel like in your body, and then what are
Speaker 1: things that you do so moving towards more of that
Speaker 1: expansive feeling, things that help you for you be in
Speaker 1: your pit, to be in that creator zone, and then
Speaker 1: moving away from the needing to micromanage, et cetera. So,
Speaker 1: for me, expansive feels like just like being on top
Speaker 1: of a hill with my arms open and my chest
Speaker 1: broad and there's so much space in my body and
Speaker 1: i can just stretch out and I'm just reaching and
Speaker 1: growing and it feels like a big, deep stretch throughout
Speaker 1: my body. And when I'm in conversations like podcasting, I
Speaker 1: really feel like that. When I'm just in flow in
Speaker 1: my communication, I feel like that. And then for me,
Speaker 1: contracted feels like that feeling when I'm on an airplane
Speaker 1: for too long and they're like four more hours, I'm
Speaker 1: like no, and I'm just like reminiscing on the days
Speaker 1: where I like had a bed and you know, taking
Speaker 1: for granted those days I could stretch out my legs.
Speaker 1: And when I feel like that in my business or
Speaker 1: in my dharma, that's when I am feeling like I
Speaker 1: have to put out fires, that I have to do
Speaker 1: it all myself, that I'm not feeling supported. So now,
Speaker 1: knowing that in myself, and that's why the quote that
Speaker 1: I started with was all about support for me, I
Speaker 1: know that I need to, you know, set myself up
Speaker 1: to be in that contractive feeling as less as possible.
Speaker 1: Does that mean I'm never going to have it again
Speaker 1: in my life? No, There's always going to be situations
Speaker 1: where you are going to feel contractive. But seeing that
Speaker 1: again as the karma, as that that compass south point
Speaker 1: that you need to shift away from, and then your
Speaker 1: north point being the thing that makes you feel flow expansive.
Speaker 3: Korea hmm, I love that.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for sharing on that too, and
Speaker 2: thank you for asking me. Yeah, I want to switch
Speaker 2: gears and I want to chat about the four types
Speaker 2: of drama. Could you let the audience know what these are?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So, you know, in my research of helping people find
Speaker 1: their dharma, I really realize that there's so many different
Speaker 1: ways to geut there, and especially our you know, our
Speaker 1: Western world likes to glamorize certain stories, and you know,
Speaker 1: while they can very much be real, it's not everyone's story. Like,
Speaker 1: not everyone's gonna sell their belongings, live in a van
Speaker 1: and then like come up with this genius idea and
Speaker 1: it's the next uber right, Like it could happen, But
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people pressure themselves of if
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen that way, then it might not.
Speaker 3: Happen for me.
Speaker 1: So I have these three pathways to get to your
Speaker 1: dharma and then four types of drma. I have a
Speaker 1: lot of systems and frameworks.
Speaker 3: In this book.
Speaker 1: I was like, I need every single person to read
Speaker 1: this book to find their darma, like no matter what.
Speaker 1: So the four types of dharma. The first one is
Speaker 1: that you know you have a gift. Now, these are
Speaker 1: the people who like oftentimes going to entertainment or athletes
Speaker 1: or people who are just like born with a good voice,
Speaker 1: They're born with an ability to play a certain sport.
Speaker 1: They know what it is that they're good at. Now
Speaker 1: does that mean they're necessarily going to live it?
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
Speaker 1: Some of the best artists in the world are not
Speaker 1: even sharing their art, So it doesn't mean just because
Speaker 1: you were born with a gift, like you got it set.
Speaker 1: It could just mean that that's your gift and you
Speaker 1: get to still work on it. So that first type
Speaker 1: is you know who you have a gift. You know
Speaker 1: you're really good at this thing, but maybe you don't
Speaker 1: know how to make it your purpose now. The second
Speaker 1: is you had a break down and a breakthrough. So
Speaker 1: these are oftentimes you know, motivational speakers, self help authors,
Speaker 1: et cetera, that you had a breakdown moment and it
Speaker 1: was through that breakdown that you know, you're on your
Speaker 1: knees wondering if there was a God and God came through,
Speaker 1: Like when you hear stories like that, that's very much
Speaker 1: the breakdown or break through. Myself going through health obstacles,
Speaker 1: et cetera. That was a breakdown for me to break through.
Speaker 1: So these are people who needed to hit a certain
Speaker 1: level of rock bottom for them to make a shift.
Speaker 1: So oftentimes they go into helping others make that same
Speaker 1: shift as well. Now, the third type is you have
Speaker 1: an obstacle that you have faced that you are now
Speaker 1: helping other people overcome. So, for example, you know an
Speaker 1: example I share in the book is this woman I know,
Speaker 1: she had really bad social anxiety. She couldn't really read
Speaker 1: social cues, she had a hard time just understanding people's
Speaker 1: facial characteristics. She couldn't really talk to people at parties,
Speaker 1: and she wanted to, but it felt so foreign and
Speaker 1: difficult for her. She began to make flashcards of people's
Speaker 1: facial expressions and kind of like write, okay, if you
Speaker 1: go to a party, like stand at the snack table
Speaker 1: and have a conversation with the person on the left,
Speaker 1: and these little ways for her to overcome her social anxiety.
Speaker 1: And then she began to share it with her friends
Speaker 1: and they're like, this is amazing. You should share this
Speaker 1: on a blog. So she began to share it on
Speaker 1: a blog, which later turned into a book and courses
Speaker 1: and an institute on helping people with social anxiety. So
Speaker 1: this is just an obstacle that she had that she's
Speaker 1: now helping others overcome as well. And then the fourth
Speaker 1: type is someone else had an obstacle that you are
Speaker 1: helping them overcome. So for example, maybe you had a
Speaker 1: parent that faced cancer or another type of disease, so
Speaker 1: even though you weren't the one experiencing it, it was
Speaker 1: someone that you deeply cared about. So that's going to
Speaker 1: make you want to research and learn everything and maybe
Speaker 1: study alternative healing therapies, etc. And then with all of
Speaker 1: this knowledge that you have, you're feeling inspired to share it.
Speaker 1: So sometimes I see people say, well, I don't have
Speaker 1: a life defining moment. I feel like my life was
Speaker 1: pretty normal. I don't know what my purpose is. So
Speaker 1: maybe the obstacle that you're helping others overcome is the environment.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe you haven't been displaced because of an
Speaker 1: environmental disruption, but other people have, and you're finding your
Speaker 1: passion and helping it for others. So it doesn't always
Speaker 1: have to be a direct experience. So these are the
Speaker 1: main four types of darmin. You could be a combination
Speaker 1: of two, like for myself, I had the breakdown, the breakthrough,
Speaker 1: but I'm also overcoming an obstacle that I'm helping others overcome,
Speaker 1: so it could be, you know, a combination. And for
Speaker 1: the one about having a gift, I do want to
Speaker 1: note that there are many many types of gifts out there,
Speaker 1: and our society really focuses on types of gifts related
Speaker 1: to entertainment because we're in such a media based society
Speaker 1: such as you know, a good actor, a good singer,
Speaker 1: a good basketball player, et cetera. But your gift could
Speaker 1: be you host epic dinner parties, or you have a
Speaker 1: really beatiful way of organizing your home, or you make
Speaker 1: people feel really seen and heard, and these are also gifts.
Speaker 1: So oftentimes we all have gifts that we are born with,
Speaker 1: but we just weren't aware of it because our society
Speaker 1: doesn't celebrate it and recognize it as much. So what
Speaker 1: does that feel like for you? Which of these four types?
Speaker 2: I definitely kind of agree with you where the breakdown
Speaker 2: and breakthrough? I like, I kind of said, I used
Speaker 2: to be a family lawyer. I had this whole career
Speaker 2: kind of set up, and then there became a moment
Speaker 2: where I was like, what am I doing. I'm not
Speaker 2: living in alignment. This is not what I wanted to do,
Speaker 2: and so I kind of, you know, left everything, took
Speaker 2: a really big risk and was like I'm going to
Speaker 2: go off and do my own thing, and then all
Speaker 2: that and then with that too, with the whole obstacle.
Speaker 2: So there has been quite a few health issues for me,
Speaker 2: and then also a big obstacle that I kind of
Speaker 2: you know teach within this podcast is really the obstacle
Speaker 2: of not fitting in the box of what society thinks
Speaker 2: you should be and who you should be. I guess
Speaker 2: like and disempowering a lot of limiting beliefs that I had,
Speaker 2: and then also sharing that with my audience.
Speaker 1: I love that, and that's such a great example of it.
Speaker 1: Really it's all coming together, right. It's like we have
Speaker 1: gifts and we have obstacles and sometimes we have to
Speaker 1: experience breakdown. So you know, when I share these different systems,
Speaker 1: it's even the archetypes, et cetera. It's not just about one,
Speaker 1: but it's finding your own way of weaving them together.
Speaker 3: Yes, I love that.
Speaker 2: And so Sahara, to finish off at talking about your beautiful,
Speaker 2: amazing book, I know this question is going to be
Speaker 2: very difficult, but if you could give your top three
Speaker 2: tips for someone for finding their drama and of course, guys,
Speaker 2: go read the book, you will not regret it. But
Speaker 2: what would they be?
Speaker 1: So my first one that I have everyone start with
Speaker 1: is understanding their darma archetype. So I have these nine
Speaker 1: darma archetypes I've created and you can find it out
Speaker 1: with my free quiz on Dharma archetype quiz dot com.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you've taken the quiz yet, George,
Speaker 1: you'd be curious about what yours are. But for me,
Speaker 1: archetypeal work has been the most instrumental thing to help
Speaker 1: me find my dharma because it's allowed me to see
Speaker 1: myself in something greater than me. So I would say,
Speaker 1: take that quiz because you'll walk away with your top
Speaker 1: two dharma archetypes and you'll be able to see like,
Speaker 1: yes I am a teacher, Yes I'm a researcher, a visionary, nurturer,
Speaker 1: et cetera. And it will really give you a tangible
Speaker 1: thing to walk away with. Then I would ask, what
Speaker 1: is the thing I'm the most excited about? So you
Speaker 1: could be excited about healing, or excited about gardening or cars,
Speaker 1: or it could be really anything but excitement or breadcrumbs
Speaker 1: leading you to your dharma. So look at what it
Speaker 1: is you're excited about, because that's the ignition underneath the
Speaker 1: fuel that's going to bring you to your dharma. And
Speaker 1: then the third is what are the obstacles that I've
Speaker 1: overcome or helped others overcome? And it could be something
Speaker 1: that feels as small as like maybe you traveled a
Speaker 1: lot when you were a kid. You moved every year,
Speaker 1: and every year you had to make new friends, or
Speaker 1: maybe you really know how to dress well, or maybe
Speaker 1: you have an epic way of making healthy recipes really quickly.
Speaker 1: So just looking at these different different gifts that you
Speaker 1: have that may have been related to your obstacles. And
Speaker 1: I have this whole five step process called the Dharma
Speaker 1: Blueprint process in the book, but just those three components,
Speaker 1: if you just look at your Dharma archetype what you're
Speaker 1: excited about your obstacles, you'll have such a clear sense
Speaker 1: of your purpose.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: And just what you said at the start, I did
Speaker 2: take the tiss and I came up as and you'll
Speaker 2: probably be out, I guess this. But a visionary and
Speaker 2: an entrepreneur.
Speaker 3: Love that that's what you're doing right now. I know.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, well please, I want some sort
Speaker 2: of right path.
Speaker 3: Totally yay.
Speaker 2: So, Sahara, thank you so much for coming on the
Speaker 2: podcast and chatting to us about your amazing new book.
Speaker 2: I've just got a couple of questions to finish the interview,
Speaker 2: but before we get into that, could you let everyone
Speaker 2: know where they can find this book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can find it wherever books are sold.
Speaker 1: And if you head over to my website I am
Speaker 1: Saharose dot com slash Dharma, you could submit your receipt
Speaker 1: and I have epic bonuses available for you meditations, tapping practice,
Speaker 1: embodiment practice, and so much more. So that is I
Speaker 1: am Saharos dot com slash Dharma, d h A R
Speaker 1: M A. And then you can also take the quiz
Speaker 1: at Dharma archetype quiz dot com amazing.
Speaker 2: So Sahara to finish the interview, I've just got a
Speaker 2: couple of questions. So we know that twenty twenty was
Speaker 2: it was a bit of a curveball, I think for
Speaker 2: most people. And in season four of this podcast, I
Speaker 2: am really focusing on the new year energy and you know,
Speaker 2: taking big moves and bold action, because if twenty twenty
Speaker 2: toward us anything, it is that things don't last and
Speaker 2: when you're excited about something like you've just got to
Speaker 2: do it. So I would love to know what bold
Speaker 2: action will you be taking in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: The bold action I will be taking is to train
Speaker 1: more people to help them find others find their dharmat
Speaker 1: something I really feel like the world needs right now,
Speaker 1: we need more dharma coaches out there. So that's that's
Speaker 1: my big mission I'm doing this year to help more
Speaker 1: people do this work as well.
Speaker 2: Oh amazing and so exciting. And last question, so for
Speaker 2: my girl gang who are looking for a bit of
Speaker 2: inspiration and motivation to finish off this episode, what is
Speaker 2: the best piece of advice you have ever received?
Speaker 1: MM, The best piece of advice that I ever received was,
Speaker 1: you know, for myself, I was really when I was
Speaker 1: trying to find my dharma, I was like waiting for
Speaker 1: approval of others. So just to drop the need to
Speaker 1: gain the approval of other people and to trust that
Speaker 1: you know your dharma, and that really gave me a
Speaker 1: level of freedom to not seek validation, to not seek
Speaker 1: anyone else giving me a gold star, and just to
Speaker 1: trust even if it didn't make sense to anyone else
Speaker 1: around me, and for anyone who you may have this
Speaker 1: idea and it feels weird or far off or it's
Speaker 1: not logical, to really trust that and honor it because
Speaker 1: part of it is related to your dharma.
Speaker 2: Ah, I love it. Thank you so much, Sahara. I
Speaker 2: have loved this interview. And oh my god, I love
Speaker 2: your book so much. And yeah, I'm so excited to
Speaker 2: have you on the podcast again, and I hope you
Speaker 2: have an amazing twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Ah, thanks so much for having me Joji.
Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure to be here.
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