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Speaker 1: eliminated contestant from this year's a Strand Survivor, which is
Speaker 1: now on Network ten, I will be talking to Valeria
Speaker 1: about her time in Samoa and of course what she
Speaker 1: thinks now that the smoke has well and truly been
Speaker 1: snuffed out on her torch. Australian Survivor Titans Versus Rebels
Speaker 1: is a showdown that pits the winners against the underdogs
Speaker 1: and the big wigs against the battlers, with each player
Speaker 1: competing for the grand prize of half a million dollars.
Speaker 1: Valerius started the game bonding tightly with fellow Titan Viola,
Speaker 1: and the pair linked up with Mark to form a
Speaker 1: formidable trio. However, when Viola was blindsided at the tribe switch,
Speaker 1: Valeria swore revenge against the middle aged mafia that had
Speaker 1: orchestrated that blind side until she was afforded the opportunity
Speaker 1: to do so. She aligned with Kirby on the new
Speaker 1: Titans tribe and took control over the Power Struck despite
Speaker 1: being threatened by an unusual tribal council at the final sixteen.
Speaker 1: After reaching the merge, Valeria reconnected with Mark and set
Speaker 1: about completing her revenge tour. Unfortunately for Valeria, through a
Speaker 1: series of tumultuous changes of power, Valeria found herself in
Speaker 1: the crosshairs of Raymond, whose play with the ultimate vote
Speaker 1: at that final nine sealed Valeria's blindside. Valeria will talk
Speaker 1: about Raymond's ability to blindside her and how he managed
Speaker 1: to pull off that impossible advantage. We will unpack Valeria's
Speaker 1: gameplay and find out why she chose that big fluffy
Speaker 1: jacket to wear in Samoa. Valeria will talk about why
Speaker 1: the others are not going after Kirby and Ferris and
Speaker 1: what the aftermath of that tribal council will mean for
Speaker 1: some of the remaining players. Plus, we will find out
Speaker 1: which previous castaways had inspired her time on a Strand Survivor,
Speaker 1: one of them being George, which actually really surprised me.
Speaker 1: There is actually so much to unpack with Valeria today.
Speaker 1: She was so gorgeous to I have to say, so,
Speaker 1: sit back and relax as we dive just that a
Speaker 1: little bit deeper into the world of Valeria's Australian Survivor.
Speaker 1: Valeria looks so beautiful? What's going on? I feel like
Speaker 1: I need to go and like change or something like, you're.
Speaker 2: What do you think I look beautiful? What about the season?
Speaker 2: Was I not looking beautiful?
Speaker 1: You know? It's so interesting because you don't. You didn't
Speaker 1: strike me as the sort of person that would be
Speaker 1: on this show, and kind of the way they packaged
Speaker 1: you up with a pink jacket and sort of this
Speaker 1: hot models vibe. I don't know. I'm coming back in
Speaker 1: my next life as you.
Speaker 2: It's too nice. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I feel like you were an unlikely castaway? Did you
Speaker 1: did you think that? I mean, what made you decide
Speaker 1: to apply for this show? You? How did you end
Speaker 1: up as a castaway on Australian Survivor.
Speaker 2: Well, I definitely never planned to be on any TV
Speaker 2: reality shows. I haven't even watched TV for many years,
Speaker 2: and you know, going going in this one, I was like,
Speaker 2: if I would ever have a chance to pick I
Speaker 2: think Surviva was definitely on the prody list. And I
Speaker 2: saw the advertisement or advertisement like a little post from
Speaker 2: the girl was connected before and she was like, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: I'm casting for Survivor And I didn't even tell my partner.
Speaker 2: I applied, like I just I just I messaged her back.
Speaker 2: I was like, do you think like should I do?
Speaker 2: I think I'm good? Or She's like, you would be perfect,
Speaker 2: Let's go for it. And I did my interview and
Speaker 2: even like when I did the proper interview face to face,
Speaker 2: I still didn't tell anything to my button. I was like,
Speaker 2: why people even would bother have someone like me playing
Speaker 2: in the game, Like I just didn't have any association
Speaker 2: that I would be good for the show. And I
Speaker 2: watched two and a half seasons before I flew to
Speaker 2: someone that was like two weeks before and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: what are we doing? Tell me now, what's the plan?
Speaker 2: How did we split the rus? And kind of figured
Speaker 2: it all out on the way and align myself with
Speaker 2: some people who watch the game so to make sure
Speaker 2: I can brain some some ideas.
Speaker 1: When you're boning up on Australian Survivor and you're watching
Speaker 1: previous series and you're learning, could you remember which players,
Speaker 1: which castaways that had been in the show before that
Speaker 1: you borrowed the most amount from.
Speaker 2: I definitely laugh Mark Blood and Water season. I feel
Speaker 2: like his legacy or you know, of staying loyal and
Speaker 2: playing the game and be kind of all around up
Speaker 2: really kind of had a reflection of how I would
Speaker 2: like to play the game. I don't think I'm the person.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm that ruthless enough to go on
Speaker 2: top of everyone's heads and just be sneaky with my players.
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, if you make a pack
Speaker 2: with me, I'm gonna go with you until the end.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to screw you over. And I was
Speaker 2: worried that in the game I will have to somehow,
Speaker 2: you know, get sneaky with people. I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't think I have guts to do so. So I
Speaker 2: love Mark's play with King George. The reason I have
Speaker 2: all this one liners and all the little things I
Speaker 2: was trying to say at that it was inspired by
Speaker 2: King George. I was like this by like, I don't
Speaker 2: even remember anything as much as I remember when he
Speaker 2: was saying and how he was saying and how entertaining
Speaker 2: he was. I was like, I want to be this guy.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe the brain's not there, maybe a strategy
Speaker 2: is not there, but he was good. So I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, I'll have to figure out so go into
Speaker 2: the tribal council. I was like, what are we doing,
Speaker 2: who are we taking today? What are we saying? And
Speaker 2: I was trying to come up with something to kind
Speaker 2: of approach people and shake them up a little bit
Speaker 2: and see how they respond back and kind of having
Speaker 2: that back and forth game.
Speaker 1: I love that George is still inspiring people. I mean,
Speaker 1: the man, the man is mad like and yet he's
Speaker 1: a god amongst this game.
Speaker 2: Oh he's so good man. He said, you don't remember
Speaker 2: anyone else when he's on the screen.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that fashion jacket that you were wearing
Speaker 1: in there. I don't know how much it was appropriate
Speaker 1: for the conditions of Samoa. Did you pick that yourself
Speaker 1: or was that kind of like a character piece that
Speaker 1: the producers made you wear.
Speaker 2: It was my decision. It was not forse They didn't,
Speaker 2: you know, shut my mouth and put the jacket and
Speaker 2: say you wear this. It was definitely my decision. I
Speaker 2: was in, like I'm mentally healthy, just to let you
Speaker 2: know it was my own decision. But you know what,
Speaker 2: the reason why I did it not because I just
Speaker 2: wanted to look cute. That was obviously one good thing.
Speaker 2: And I was like, how do you do something to
Speaker 2: just stay out of the crowd, because you know all
Speaker 2: this mats I was watching the mats. I was like, man,
Speaker 2: what they have to do. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I have a back of neck injury and I cannot
Speaker 2: sleep on a very like good space. So I was like,
Speaker 2: if we're going to sleep on the sand or something,
Speaker 2: I need to have something soft. So I bought it
Speaker 2: for the specific purpose or for my neck, so I
Speaker 2: can have a bit of layers of a kind of
Speaker 2: a pillow to make for my neck and back as
Speaker 2: if I wake up and I'm stiff, can't compete, can't
Speaker 2: do any games and challenges. I was like, it was
Speaker 2: you know, it was planned. It wasn't just for the fashion.
Speaker 2: I did have the purpose behind it. It did get
Speaker 2: destroyed and I didn't wear it after because it looked
Speaker 2: so ugly. It was just horrible. It looked like just
Speaker 2: the pinch Chicken. It was just horrible.
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know what drowned muppet? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Literally, but it was great as a layer underneath when
Speaker 2: I was going to bed, So it did work the purpose.
Speaker 2: Would I do this again?
Speaker 1: Probably still yes, maybe one that's a little bit more durable.
Speaker 2: Yess, absolutely absolutely. I definitely made a few wrong choices
Speaker 2: with the wardrop, but we're learning.
Speaker 1: You know, Manubing, come back for another season, You'll be fine.
Speaker 1: What a blindside though, I mean, I still can't believe
Speaker 1: that Raymond pulled off the impossible. That advantage almost seemed
Speaker 1: like a curse. Now that you've had a chance to
Speaker 1: watch it back, what do you think of Raymond being
Speaker 1: able to pull this off?
Speaker 2: He've done a top job. I mean, this guy stopped eating,
Speaker 2: this guy didn't drink enough water. This guy was slipping
Speaker 2: with his face in the sand, he was miserable. That
Speaker 2: was very good act and playing this game. And we
Speaker 2: just because we just had Scotty living crying and half
Speaker 2: of the camp crying. I was like, probably Scotty open
Speaker 2: up a door for people to feel vulnerable, and that
Speaker 2: Raymond kind of fell into it as well. So I
Speaker 2: was like, you know, it's kind of a chain and
Speaker 2: this guy just just realized it's okay to feel like this.
Speaker 2: And what I was trying to imagine that if it
Speaker 2: would be someone like Ferris or Kirby struggling with this.
Speaker 2: I think they had they have the power to overcome us,
Speaker 2: come back and kind of come back and fight again
Speaker 2: until the very end. Where with Raymond he was a
Speaker 2: much quite much wider player than everyone else. You don't
Speaker 2: hear from him much. He doesn't really speak to a
Speaker 2: lot of people. He make a few remarks, a few jokes,
Speaker 2: but usually he's pretty like to himself. So I was like, man,
Speaker 2: this guy is for real dying, like he's not eating.
Speaker 2: Something is wrong, like he did it say, well, like
Speaker 2: I still like going into the Tropic Console, I felt something.
Speaker 2: My whole body was shaky. I was anxious for very
Speaker 2: uncertain reason. Now I know why, but that gut feeling
Speaker 2: was killing me. I was like, man, what's going on?
Speaker 2: But then you know, everyone's like, you could be very
Speaker 2: brutal to do this to people. He is very brutal.
Speaker 2: He cannot do this to people. So I was like
Speaker 2: battling the morality of it and wanting to play the
Speaker 2: game because I'm such a competitive person. It was killing
Speaker 2: it from the inside. Even with Scotty, you know, leaving,
Speaker 2: he was like that was valen Mark wanted to vote
Speaker 2: it out. I was like, oh no, what can I
Speaker 2: do now? And then Raymond I was like, then I
Speaker 2: have no chance.
Speaker 1: You took your exit really well. You were so humble,
Speaker 1: and I feel like everyone should take a page out
Speaker 1: of your book. Is it tempting to throw a tantrum
Speaker 1: when you've been eliminated? Like, is there any chance that
Speaker 1: there was a part of you that you know, wanted
Speaker 1: to push those Kentiquy torches over and you know, run away.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like in my case, it used to
Speaker 2: be a competitive runner. I've done over forty pageants. I'm
Speaker 2: using to lose, Like I'm used to that feeling. And
Speaker 2: I feel like, because I lost so many times before
Speaker 2: before I get to my win point, I kind of
Speaker 2: I just used to the feeling. I don't feel it's bad.
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know you and the game, you
Speaker 2: made it so far, and you just learned from your experience.
Speaker 2: I mean, a winner is a loser who tried to
Speaker 2: do it again. So for me, it was a blessing.
Speaker 2: So I felt good, I know. I even actually when
Speaker 2: I was doing my interviews the people behind the scenes,
Speaker 2: I was like, well, you're not said at all. I
Speaker 2: was like, you know, like I don't know pretend to
Speaker 2: like more sad. I was like, I don't think I can.
Speaker 2: I think I said it was honestly the way I felt,
Speaker 2: and I didn't feel like crying at any point of time,
Speaker 2: even after you know, you realize you sit down. I
Speaker 2: was like, well, that was a big move, But when
Speaker 2: I come back to the same situation, I don't think
Speaker 2: I would do it the other way, because at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, it was a welfare of someone
Speaker 2: else that I didn't know well enough. Grew that and like,
Speaker 2: see if I can do a big move out of it.
Speaker 2: I was just a little bit anxious and obviously talking
Speaker 2: to Mark saying like, well, this is brutally you just
Speaker 2: cannot do this to people. I was like, man, I
Speaker 2: think he's right. I think like I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: play the game too much, Like I have to get
Speaker 2: my competitive mode down and think about others and see
Speaker 2: where it got me.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's performance from Raymond, though, Like I think
Speaker 1: you ever mentioned this before. It was kind of oscar worthy,
Speaker 1: you know, it's very convincing. Did everyone believe him though?
Speaker 1: Did you think everyone was as shocked as you were
Speaker 1: to find out that it was all a lie?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Everyone fell for it. He's been like people coming
Speaker 2: up to him all the time, checking on him, trying
Speaker 2: to fit him, trying to see how he's going, trying
Speaker 2: to get him outside of it. Like he was doing
Speaker 2: a top job. Like he couldn't you couldn't fault it.
Speaker 2: There was no one point of time, like even watch
Speaker 2: him at the challenges. He was literally like this. I
Speaker 2: was like, I was looking at him. I was like, man,
Speaker 2: this is sickening.
Speaker 1: This is dangerous though, because I mean, you could just
Speaker 1: be like a home and Away Neighbors actor and not
Speaker 1: be very convincing and your cover gets blown. But he
Speaker 1: managed to play it perfectly, which would be really hard
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: That was the best move that I had witnessed from
Speaker 2: day one to thirty to day thirty seven. When he
Speaker 2: did this, I was like, man, that was something that
Speaker 2: people will remember for the rest of the life. And
Speaker 2: Raymond is a big fan of the game, so I
Speaker 2: feel like it was a very special moment to be remembered,
Speaker 2: regardless of what will be the outcome, just that one
Speaker 2: day it was already worth the whole game for him.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be quite iconic. You were
Speaker 1: the only one to really challenge him, though on a
Speaker 1: unanimous vote, we did see you starting to trust your
Speaker 1: guy and maybe raise a few questions. What was going on?
Speaker 1: Did you really think that you were going to try
Speaker 1: and vote for someone else and go against everyone else's decision.
Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like at that point of time, I said,
Speaker 2: we just saw Scotty and that destroyed my game, and
Speaker 2: I was just hoping to recover from that experience in
Speaker 2: trying to build up something else. And then when that happens,
Speaker 2: I was like me, you know, just like it's again
Speaker 2: happening to me. I have to do something about it.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking that someone else also thinking the
Speaker 2: same way. I really thought that someone else was doing
Speaker 2: some plan because every time, like from day one in
Speaker 2: our season, you're going in and there's always a blind side.
Speaker 2: There was never an easy vote, there was always something
Speaker 2: going on. So I was like, I wasn't just going
Speaker 2: there thinking they're it's going to go smooth, because it's
Speaker 2: never smooth there. So I did have a plan in
Speaker 2: my head, I said, I was just battling with my
Speaker 2: own instincts and the morality of what's happening, and even
Speaker 2: like with Mark raising the point that the juribulare going
Speaker 2: to hate us. He's got the point there for sure.
Speaker 2: If you do something and the guy was actually struggling,
Speaker 2: that would backfire. And it was all one personal support you.
Speaker 2: So it was a such a tricky one. But I said,
Speaker 2: it was my body and my instincts battling with the
Speaker 2: brain and it did not go very well together.
Speaker 1: I watched your face the whole way through that tribal
Speaker 1: council because I was like, if anyone's going to change
Speaker 1: this vote, it's Hilaria. So what her face is doing
Speaker 1: during this is going to give away what or who
Speaker 1: you had voted for. Who would you have actually written down? Though, Like,
Speaker 1: if you were confident enough to think that Raymond was
Speaker 1: lying and you wanted to upset this tribal council with
Speaker 1: a different vote, who would you have gone with?
Speaker 2: It would be one hundred percent be Rhiannon or Kirby,
Speaker 2: And I obviously seeing Kirby putting the necklace on Rhiannon
Speaker 2: and I would definitely put Kirby down.
Speaker 1: That would have been interesting. Isn't it so strange that
Speaker 1: no one seems to be going after Ferris and Kirby, Like,
Speaker 1: is that because they're really lovely and you need them
Speaker 1: on the beach of Samoa or are they too big
Speaker 1: a move to try and go for it this time?
Speaker 2: Then you speak in my mind. Actually, if you would
Speaker 2: remember the episode before that where Mark proposed to vote
Speaker 2: against Jayden, I said, let's go against Ferris and let's
Speaker 2: make it roll. And Mark said to me, but he's
Speaker 2: got an idol. I was like, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: He was like, no, no, no, like we need to play safe.
Speaker 2: And I remember the die I was so, I was like, guy,
Speaker 2: it's this perfect moment, Ferris feeling like he is at
Speaker 2: the top of the mountain. I didn't. I just wasn't
Speaker 2: scared about this idol because I feel like people usually
Speaker 2: would use it until the very end, when you know,
Speaker 2: just like Top six, when you've got the last chance
Speaker 2: to use it. So I was so keen on getting
Speaker 2: the big targets out, proposing farres, but people are just
Speaker 2: too worried. I feel like you need to risk the game,
Speaker 2: and I feel like a lot of people scared to
Speaker 2: risk it. And for example, the way that Mark plays,
Speaker 2: of the way Mark plays, he's a very safe player.
Speaker 2: He likes to feel comfortable and he likes to find
Speaker 2: the softer's way backgrounds makes sense. He's a diplomat. He
Speaker 2: trying to soften things up, where for me, let me
Speaker 2: risk everything. I want to just try it and try
Speaker 2: if it goes, because Fairest and Kerby are risking it
Speaker 2: and that's what I'm getting them through. And that risk
Speaker 2: I respect, Like it's ballsy, it's dangerous if my backfire
Speaker 2: is so hot, but how good it is if it works.
Speaker 2: So I was kin on Feris the night before and
Speaker 2: I was keen on Rhannon or Kirby as well. But
Speaker 2: you need a bit of support. You need at least
Speaker 2: you know, one person saying yay, good idea, let's do it.
Speaker 2: You know, just need someone to tell me I'm the
Speaker 2: right Because being a newbie as well, I was like,
Speaker 2: am I just imagining in my head what I wanted
Speaker 2: to do? And it's just how do you do it?
Speaker 2: It's it's such a tricky game, like you watch the
Speaker 2: other place and I was like, I think I know
Speaker 2: my plan and know what I'm.
Speaker 1: Going to do. Can recover from this though, I mean
Speaker 1: even Fairest to a certain extent, can pulling off a
Speaker 1: big lie that is making people believe that your mental
Speaker 1: health isn't strong enough to be on a show. Is
Speaker 1: that going to affect their gameplay moving forward? Like maybe
Speaker 1: people will be upset about.
Speaker 2: This dred percent. I feel like it's fifty to fifty. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the people that he shared with it was all good,
Speaker 2: so he's got some side to himself. Same time, some
Speaker 2: people say, mate, you made scotty situation kind of a
Speaker 2: mockery of it all? Is that really good? Like so
Speaker 2: I feel like that's how I thought, you know, getting
Speaker 2: out of it. I was like interested, I'm curious to
Speaker 2: see how people would react because you're playing on these
Speaker 2: bad emotions and bad mental you know, struggles that Scotty
Speaker 2: was just so open about. Say next time, imagine someone's
Speaker 2: going for real, you know, getting sick. And then people say, ah,
Speaker 2: we've seen that before. That was Raymond's story. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: We're going to drag you down, like what the Larry
Speaker 2: couldn't do. We're going to drag you all the way down,
Speaker 2: and this guy collapse completely. So it is very shaky.
Speaker 2: Raymond definitely risk it because he didn't know if people
Speaker 2: just turn around and say, listen, mate, that was not good.
Speaker 2: You're going to be going home because you kind of
Speaker 2: you know, led us to it.
Speaker 1: Who's going to go after Raymond first? Though? Like, who
Speaker 1: do you reckon is going to be the most angry
Speaker 1: about this situation? Who's going to try and take a swing?
Speaker 2: You know, we've got all the nice people left in
Speaker 2: the camp. Now you know I'm gone. I feel like
Speaker 2: for Raymond to be a target on Raymond's back, this
Speaker 2: one move is not enough if he pulls out something else,
Speaker 2: if you really make another move that, I feel like
Speaker 2: the person will go after them would be someone like
Speaker 2: Caroline Katy not even Caroline, I feel like probably Kitty
Speaker 2: Alex Mark. So the players that done some moves but
Speaker 2: didn't do a lot because Raymond then will be on
Speaker 2: the same kind of pace. Raymond wasn't doing much, but
Speaker 2: then he'd done this huge move and then he puught
Speaker 2: something else, and then they would feel like, yes, if
Speaker 2: they go against each other top two, it's going to
Speaker 2: be hard to pick. So I feel like those people
Speaker 2: would definitely see Raymond as a threat and will try
Speaker 2: to put them out. Where with Ferris and Kirby, I
Speaker 2: feel like they still feel pretty comfortable because with Raymond,
Speaker 2: Ferris was directly involved in this, so he could also
Speaker 2: claim partially a part of this plan, something that you
Speaker 2: know it wouldn't happen if he wouldn't put his foot
Speaker 2: in it and influence others.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were the right person for
Speaker 1: them to I mean, the fact that they pulled it
Speaker 1: off was crazy, But I don't know when they were
Speaker 1: saying that they were going to take you out of
Speaker 1: the competition, I don't know if that was who they
Speaker 1: should have gone for. I mean, wouldn't it have been
Speaker 1: amazing if Raymond got rid of Ferris at that point? Like,
Speaker 1: I think he could have used that advantage in a
Speaker 1: much more powerful way. I think if you're gonna pull
Speaker 1: something like that off, I feel like then you need
Speaker 1: to swing really hard at someone unusual. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just didn't think you were the right person for
Speaker 1: Raymond to put.
Speaker 2: Down you speak in my mind, honestly, we're thinking with
Speaker 2: that type of advantage, man, go with the bank, go
Speaker 2: hard and go like it really was, like, especially like
Speaker 2: with Faris. It's hard because obviously Raymond is loyal Kirby.
Speaker 2: She knew about the plan, so imagine screw someone actually
Speaker 2: knew the planet was a part of it. Getting Ferris
Speaker 2: out would be ideal for having that wow factor because
Speaker 2: this guy is helping him to play this act and
Speaker 2: then being out being involved in this would be traumatic experience.
Speaker 2: And I didn't see myself as that, you know, the
Speaker 2: biggest strategy could take out that. I feel like there
Speaker 2: was That was Kirby, that was Fairest, that was Mark,
Speaker 2: Like there's other players that I found more dangerous than
Speaker 2: him when it comes to strategies and actually pulling off
Speaker 2: this moves. Like even with you all, I couldn't achieve
Speaker 2: what I could. I don't have much to claim. They
Speaker 2: like target someone else who've got the moves to claim,
Speaker 2: so you can take them over, destroy all the moves
Speaker 2: they did in the history and say well whatever they
Speaker 2: did doesn't count because now I got the biggest move
Speaker 2: of the game. So that would be very juicy. But
Speaker 2: I feel like you also put my name down because
Speaker 2: he wanted to come back in his bag, back to
Speaker 2: his crew. You know, yes, I say Valeria and I
Speaker 2: send Jaden home next day. Guys, don't worry, I'm coming
Speaker 2: back to you. I'm taking Valeria out just in my terms. Okay,
Speaker 2: something like this.
Speaker 1: Oh it's kind of like a make good Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: for the fact that he probably did vote. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: actually making you make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Today, just today, right, just today, just what.
Speaker 1: About your revenge of Viola? Like, you know, can revenge
Speaker 1: work in a game like this? Can you get a
Speaker 1: bit distracted by, you know, getting to the end if
Speaker 1: you're trying to avenge a friend.
Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent going onto the revenge mode can
Speaker 2: definitely destroy you. The issue with this game, my same
Speaker 2: interviews were used this all the time, so it looks
Speaker 2: like all I'm talking about and I'm obsessed over the revenge.
Speaker 2: I was pretty chilled when when I got to that
Speaker 2: feast with Caroline Kitty. I was acting like it's not
Speaker 2: a bother who cares? I would to wote al Viola too,
Speaker 2: You don't worry a girl, It's all good. They actually,
Speaker 2: you know, believed me. And then even like when I
Speaker 2: got this bad Kitty and Caroline kissing me and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, you know, so wonderful, beautiful moment. So
Speaker 2: they definitely bought my energy because I was, you know what,
Speaker 2: was not raging in front of them. I was pretty chilled.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, but I knew I had
Speaker 2: to do it straight away because it was like it
Speaker 2: was very fresh. I think like you had more influence
Speaker 2: when it's so fresh to push something forward. It definitely,
Speaker 2: you know, it didn't work the way I wanted it
Speaker 2: to be, and I believe it's still good a strategy
Speaker 2: unless you're getting too emotional about it. I honestly don't
Speaker 2: think I got too emotional. I just you know, plan
Speaker 2: just didn't work the way it was. It was some
Speaker 2: information was leaked and it just didn't work. But I
Speaker 2: think it's not the bad strategy. It's good. You just
Speaker 2: have to keep have to have your head cold in
Speaker 2: that moment and not showing too much to people. I
Speaker 2: feel like with Caroline Kitty, it was just like a
Speaker 2: long story. It was just dragging al I was like,
Speaker 2: and after that happened and didn't work, I was like,
Speaker 2: now I just have to get rid of them anyway,
Speaker 2: because you know, it's just it's been been very sour between.
Speaker 1: Us for a while, so it was very soud. But
Speaker 1: then you guys sorted it out with that barbecue that
Speaker 1: Mark invited you to when he won the y A
Speaker 1: Zuzu car It must have been some very quick or
Speaker 1: cunning conversations with Caroline for you and her to be
Speaker 1: able to make amends so easily.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was definitely something I didn't. I didn't I
Speaker 2: didn't plan to go to barbecue with them the next day,
Speaker 2: you know, like with the enemies on one at one night.
Speaker 2: And I remember coming back from that tribal Caroline was
Speaker 2: like ten minutes away. Every time, like I tour, she
Speaker 2: goes away, and she was really like avoiding me badly.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh no, because you know, at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, you think you come back
Speaker 2: in the camp, you're like, you know, let's make up.
Speaker 2: It's fine, it's a game, let's move on. But she
Speaker 2: was like, I'm not talking. And then when Mark said,
Speaker 2: oh Caroline, come in, I was like, oh no or no.
Speaker 1: I was like it looked like the worst. You know
Speaker 1: when you get invited to a lunch and you ask
Speaker 1: who's going and you go, oh, no, not those people.
Speaker 2: You don't stript this, this is ridiculous. When I when
Speaker 2: I was sitting down, I was like, man, just like,
Speaker 2: out of all people, that's that's what I do. And
Speaker 2: you know, but I was very open with power. What
Speaker 2: I said, obviously you do in tribal council. And I
Speaker 2: explained why I said so, I explained myself very clearly.
Speaker 2: I did have other issues that I wanted to kind
Speaker 2: of reach out to Caroline and explain to why I
Speaker 2: feel this way. It wasn't just be all up and
Speaker 2: I just just, you know, I just let all my
Speaker 2: thoughts out. She understood me, and she explained that it
Speaker 2: was the worst you know, that it was the hush thing,
Speaker 2: that the worst thing she ever heard in her entire life.
Speaker 2: And if I only knew it could hit someone that deep,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go there for the sake of messing up
Speaker 2: with their emotions. I'm not that person. I'm not a bully,
Speaker 2: but I do like to spark a bit of a
Speaker 2: confrontation during the tribal counts because I like seeing people react,
Speaker 2: and I feel like if I go and do this
Speaker 2: to Faris, he'll fight back and say something funny and
Speaker 2: they'll just we resolve that. But with Caroline, it didn't
Speaker 2: go the way I thought it would go. And I
Speaker 2: apologize for this because I honestly don't think someone does
Speaker 2: not deserve to be in the game, because they're already
Speaker 2: in and it's huge milestone just to be a part
Speaker 2: of it was most of the refer into how I
Speaker 2: felt about the game, because I knew something from before
Speaker 2: that I just was not sitting right with me, and
Speaker 2: I just I wasted it. I said my piece. I said,
Speaker 2: you know, we're gunning for each other. Let's just sort
Speaker 2: it out now, because it doesn't work. We were just
Speaker 2: backfiring each other, We're killing each other. There's so many
Speaker 2: other people out there we could work out. Let's leave
Speaker 2: this conflict play in the game. Let's fightight later, but
Speaker 2: let's you know, focus on other people. And you know,
Speaker 2: Caroline is a bigger person. I apologized. It was just
Speaker 2: a mature way of handling things. You know. I didn't
Speaker 2: think when you're young you could sort it out that fast.
Speaker 2: But I feel like we already went through so many
Speaker 2: stages in life that you know now. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's just getting a bit too much. Let's just sort
Speaker 2: it out and let's play this game.
Speaker 1: It too bad. Everyone I've been talking to so far,
Speaker 1: I've been asking them to complete this sentence. So if
Speaker 1: you could say in the game of Survivor, the.
Speaker 2: Biggest lesson I learned in Survivor is definitely to not
Speaker 2: burn the breeches until the end. Like you always have
Speaker 2: to understand it could be some moment in the game
Speaker 2: when you're going to be left alone and you were
Speaker 2: just going to be forced working with someone you said
Speaker 2: you will never work with. Don't burn it all the
Speaker 2: way until the end. Keep the base there and with
Speaker 2: that base you can work. And what I did with
Speaker 2: some people with things, I was saying, I was burning
Speaker 2: them all the way, and I don't think that's the
Speaker 2: best way. I feel like in my life, I just
Speaker 2: cut things. I just cut people out. If I don't
Speaker 2: want to be a part of it, I wouldn't even
Speaker 2: see that person. You know, in the life, you have
Speaker 2: that luxury of separating it, where in Survivor game you
Speaker 2: don't know where you're going to end up tomorrow. You
Speaker 2: can be at the bottom, you can be the pot
Speaker 2: in the top, you might be in the middle. You
Speaker 2: need to consider all the options. You have to be open,
Speaker 2: not open minded, but open a little bit to see
Speaker 2: if there is any other potential to benefit your game
Speaker 2: in that way.
Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing, good advice, Hilaria, So good. Everyone who joins
Speaker 1: the podcast. I asked them, what is something from behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, something that we as an audience probably didn't
Speaker 1: get a chance to see kind of like a behind
Speaker 1: the scenes secret from your time in Samoa.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's a secret. I feel like we're
Speaker 2: all thinking that that's happening. But we're singing a lot
Speaker 2: of songs. You know, it's not commercially used about for
Speaker 2: the reason, But.
Speaker 1: What songs are you singing? I'm assuming you could be
Speaker 1: pulling off some serious Carli Minogue numbers.
Speaker 2: But I can dance. I'm a great backup dancer for people,
Speaker 2: and that's what I did on the island. We had
Speaker 2: people singing, We had Kelen my go. There was one
Speaker 2: sing where Kelly was singing in the military, very set
Speaker 2: song because she didn't know lyrics to any other songs.
Speaker 2: It was very song someone is Dying, and I was
Speaker 2: doing at Burke and moves and hip hop and it
Speaker 2: was just going off and it was like, what's going
Speaker 2: on this line? But it feel good. We were just singing.
Speaker 2: Everything were literally around the fire and we just come
Speaker 2: up with everything that we remember and we're all like,
Speaker 2: I wish I would learn more more lyrics so we
Speaker 2: could do a bit of a better show. But we
Speaker 2: had full on concerts there because that's what will drag
Speaker 2: you out of that, you know, feeling off constantly tired.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sing a song.
Speaker 2: I was like, it was even like I remember the
Speaker 2: Dance of Acceptance where me and Winter in the middle
Speaker 2: of all this mass people screaming, we just started to
Speaker 2: dance and we're just dancing back and forth, and it
Speaker 2: was like, you know, it was like Valvedre doing I
Speaker 2: was like, this is a dance of acceptance of the
Speaker 2: potic mess.
Speaker 1: You're definitely an interesting player, and I think you did
Speaker 1: a great job on the show. I've thoroughly enjoyed watching
Speaker 1: you throughout the series and have loved chatting with you today.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so amazing. I wonder whether you'll go
Speaker 1: back and do it all over again.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, man, it was absolute pleasure talking
Speaker 2: to you. You're an incredible person to speak to and
Speaker 2: get interviewed by.