WEBVTT - UNPACKED REALITY - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR - Valeria 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:05.200 TV Reload the podcast last week. Nebne Hey, guys, welcome 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:07.120 back to TV Reload. I want to thank you for 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.840 clicking and downloading. On today's episode with Valeria, the fourteenth 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.360 eliminated contestant from this year's a Strand Survivor, which is 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.400 now on Network ten, I will be talking to Valeria 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:20.079 about her time in Samoa and of course what she 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.840 thinks now that the smoke has well and truly been 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:27.000 snuffed out on her torch. Australian Survivor Titans Versus Rebels 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:29.720 is a showdown that pits the winners against the underdogs 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.760 and the big wigs against the battlers, with each player 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.879 competing for the grand prize of half a million dollars. 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:40.240 Valerius started the game bonding tightly with fellow Titan Viola, 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:42.640 and the pair linked up with Mark to form a 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:47.200 formidable trio. However, when Viola was blindsided at the tribe switch, 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.480 Valeria swore revenge against the middle aged mafia that had 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:54.720 orchestrated that blind side until she was afforded the opportunity 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.160 to do so. She aligned with Kirby on the new 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:00.880 Titans tribe and took control over the Power Struck despite 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.880 being threatened by an unusual tribal council at the final sixteen. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:09.240 After reaching the merge, Valeria reconnected with Mark and set 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:13.679 about completing her revenge tour. Unfortunately for Valeria, through a 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:17.319 series of tumultuous changes of power, Valeria found herself in 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.759 the crosshairs of Raymond, whose play with the ultimate vote 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:25.119 at that final nine sealed Valeria's blindside. Valeria will talk 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.520 about Raymond's ability to blindside her and how he managed 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:32.680 to pull off that impossible advantage. We will unpack Valeria's 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.280 gameplay and find out why she chose that big fluffy 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:40.040 jacket to wear in Samoa. Valeria will talk about why 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:42.640 the others are not going after Kirby and Ferris and 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.720 what the aftermath of that tribal council will mean for 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.640 some of the remaining players. Plus, we will find out 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:52.400 which previous castaways had inspired her time on a Strand Survivor, 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.320 one of them being George, which actually really surprised me. 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.400 There is actually so much to unpack with Valeria today. 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.240 She was so gorgeous to I have to say, so, 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.680 sit back and relax as we dive just that a 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.320 little bit deeper into the world of Valeria's Australian Survivor. 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:11.080 Valeria looks so beautiful? What's going on? I feel like 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.440 I need to go and like change or something like, you're. 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:15.800 What do you think I look beautiful? What about the season? 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:17.119 Was I not looking beautiful? 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:19.480 You know? It's so interesting because you don't. You didn't 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:21.560 strike me as the sort of person that would be 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.639 on this show, and kind of the way they packaged 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:25.720 you up with a pink jacket and sort of this 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.840 hot models vibe. I don't know. I'm coming back in 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:29.799 my next life as you. 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:31.080 It's too nice. Thank you. 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:33.639 I feel like you were an unlikely castaway? Did you 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.720 did you think that? I mean, what made you decide 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.000 to apply for this show? You? How did you end 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.160 up as a castaway on Australian Survivor. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.839 Well, I definitely never planned to be on any TV 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.560 reality shows. I haven't even watched TV for many years, 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:50.360 and you know, going going in this one, I was like, 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.240 if I would ever have a chance to pick I 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.320 think Surviva was definitely on the prody list. And I 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.480 saw the advertisement or advertisement like a little post from 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.040 the girl was connected before and she was like, hey, guys, 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.680 I'm casting for Survivor And I didn't even tell my partner. 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.000 I applied, like I just I just I messaged her back. 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.120 I was like, do you think like should I do? 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.840 I think I'm good? Or She's like, you would be perfect, 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.520 Let's go for it. And I did my interview and 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.560 even like when I did the proper interview face to face, 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:20.360 I still didn't tell anything to my button. I was like, 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.720 why people even would bother have someone like me playing 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.440 in the game, Like I just didn't have any association 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.520 that I would be good for the show. And I 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.200 watched two and a half seasons before I flew to 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.519 someone that was like two weeks before and I was like, okay, 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.160 what are we doing? Tell me now, what's the plan? 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.440 How did we split the rus? And kind of figured 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.240 it all out on the way and align myself with 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:44.200 some people who watch the game so to make sure 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:46.480 I can brain some some ideas. 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:50.080 When you're boning up on Australian Survivor and you're watching 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.840 previous series and you're learning, could you remember which players, 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.080 which castaways that had been in the show before that 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.320 you borrowed the most amount from. 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:03.200 I definitely laugh Mark Blood and Water season. I feel 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.120 like his legacy or you know, of staying loyal and 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.640 playing the game and be kind of all around up 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.680 really kind of had a reflection of how I would 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.080 like to play the game. I don't think I'm the person. 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.880 I don't think I'm that ruthless enough to go on 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.720 top of everyone's heads and just be sneaky with my players. 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:22.560 I feel like, you know, if you make a pack 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:24.720 with me, I'm gonna go with you until the end. 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:26.520 I'm not going to screw you over. And I was 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.520 worried that in the game I will have to somehow, 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.520 you know, get sneaky with people. I was like, I 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.080 don't think I have guts to do so. So I 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:37.240 love Mark's play with King George. The reason I have 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.880 all this one liners and all the little things I 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.640 was trying to say at that it was inspired by 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.320 King George. I was like this by like, I don't 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.359 even remember anything as much as I remember when he 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.039 was saying and how he was saying and how entertaining 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.040 he was. I was like, I want to be this guy. 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.159 You know, maybe the brain's not there, maybe a strategy 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.960 is not there, but he was good. So I was like, 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.400 you know, I'll have to figure out so go into 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.240 the tribal council. I was like, what are we doing, 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.479 who are we taking today? What are we saying? And 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.000 I was trying to come up with something to kind 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.080 of approach people and shake them up a little bit 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.320 and see how they respond back and kind of having 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:12.680 that back and forth game. 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.720 I love that George is still inspiring people. I mean, 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:19.000 the man, the man is mad like and yet he's 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:20.480 a god amongst this game. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.880 Oh he's so good man. He said, you don't remember 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.160 anyone else when he's on the screen. 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.040 I really enjoyed that fashion jacket that you were wearing 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.480 in there. I don't know how much it was appropriate 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.600 for the conditions of Samoa. Did you pick that yourself 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:36.520 or was that kind of like a character piece that 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:37.920 the producers made you wear. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.120 It was my decision. It was not forse They didn't, 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.680 you know, shut my mouth and put the jacket and 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.880 say you wear this. It was definitely my decision. I 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.800 was in, like I'm mentally healthy, just to let you 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.080 know it was my own decision. But you know what, 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.039 the reason why I did it not because I just 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:57.560 wanted to look cute. That was obviously one good thing. 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:59.720 And I was like, how do you do something to 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:01.440 just stay out of the crowd, because you know all 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.440 this mats I was watching the mats. I was like, man, 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.000 what they have to do. But at the same time, 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.240 I have a back of neck injury and I cannot 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:11.279 sleep on a very like good space. So I was like, 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.080 if we're going to sleep on the sand or something, 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.520 I need to have something soft. So I bought it 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.839 for the specific purpose or for my neck, so I 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.400 can have a bit of layers of a kind of 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:22.880 a pillow to make for my neck and back as 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.240 if I wake up and I'm stiff, can't compete, can't 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.800 do any games and challenges. I was like, it was 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.640 you know, it was planned. It wasn't just for the fashion. 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.800 I did have the purpose behind it. It did get 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.440 destroyed and I didn't wear it after because it looked 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.159 so ugly. It was just horrible. It looked like just 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.400 the pinch Chicken. It was just horrible. 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.520 So I was like, you know what drowned muppet? Yeah? 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:47.159 Literally, but it was great as a layer underneath when 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:49.560 I was going to bed, So it did work the purpose. 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:51.040 Would I do this again? 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.600 Probably still yes, maybe one that's a little bit more durable. 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:59.440 Yess, absolutely absolutely. I definitely made a few wrong choices 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.679 with the wardrop, but we're learning. 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:05.120 You know, Manubing, come back for another season, You'll be fine. 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.280 What a blindside though, I mean, I still can't believe 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:12.440 that Raymond pulled off the impossible. That advantage almost seemed 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.480 like a curse. Now that you've had a chance to 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.160 watch it back, what do you think of Raymond being 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:18.360 able to pull this off? 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.760 He've done a top job. I mean, this guy stopped eating, 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.960 this guy didn't drink enough water. This guy was slipping 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.840 with his face in the sand, he was miserable. That 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.080 was very good act and playing this game. And we 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.920 just because we just had Scotty living crying and half 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.320 of the camp crying. I was like, probably Scotty open 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.840 up a door for people to feel vulnerable, and that 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.520 Raymond kind of fell into it as well. So I 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:46.960 was like, you know, it's kind of a chain and 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.360 this guy just just realized it's okay to feel like this. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:52.760 And what I was trying to imagine that if it 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.320 would be someone like Ferris or Kirby struggling with this. 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:59.360 I think they had they have the power to overcome us, 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.360 come back and kind of come back and fight again 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.000 until the very end. Where with Raymond he was a 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.760 much quite much wider player than everyone else. You don't 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:13.200 hear from him much. He doesn't really speak to a 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.320 lot of people. He make a few remarks, a few jokes, 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.880 but usually he's pretty like to himself. So I was like, man, 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.720 this guy is for real dying, like he's not eating. 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.240 Something is wrong, like he did it say, well, like 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.440 I still like going into the Tropic Console, I felt something. 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.840 My whole body was shaky. I was anxious for very 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.200 uncertain reason. Now I know why, but that gut feeling 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.640 was killing me. I was like, man, what's going on? 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.600 But then you know, everyone's like, you could be very 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:42.640 brutal to do this to people. He is very brutal. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:44.720 He cannot do this to people. So I was like 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:48.280 battling the morality of it and wanting to play the 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.360 game because I'm such a competitive person. It was killing 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.160 it from the inside. Even with Scotty, you know, leaving, 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.360 he was like that was valen Mark wanted to vote 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.760 it out. I was like, oh no, what can I 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:00.680 do now? And then Raymond I was like, then I 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:01.400 have no chance. 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.680 You took your exit really well. You were so humble, 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.280 and I feel like everyone should take a page out 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.800 of your book. Is it tempting to throw a tantrum 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.600 when you've been eliminated? Like, is there any chance that 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:14.959 there was a part of you that you know, wanted 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:18.520 to push those Kentiquy torches over and you know, run away. 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.640 Yeah. I feel like in my case, it used to 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:26.040 be a competitive runner. I've done over forty pageants. I'm 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.320 using to lose, Like I'm used to that feeling. And 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.840 I feel like, because I lost so many times before 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.800 before I get to my win point, I kind of 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.040 I just used to the feeling. I don't feel it's bad. 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.800 I feel like, you know you and the game, you 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.120 made it so far, and you just learned from your experience. 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.160 I mean, a winner is a loser who tried to 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.520 do it again. So for me, it was a blessing. 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:54.280 So I felt good, I know. I even actually when 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.400 I was doing my interviews the people behind the scenes, 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.280 I was like, well, you're not said at all. I 0:09:58.280 --> 0:09:59.880 was like, you know, like I don't know pretend to 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.640 like more sad. I was like, I don't think I can. 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.200 I think I said it was honestly the way I felt, 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.680 and I didn't feel like crying at any point of time, 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.000 even after you know, you realize you sit down. I 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.600 was like, well, that was a big move, But when 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.320 I come back to the same situation, I don't think 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.599 I would do it the other way, because at the 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:19.600 end of the day, it was a welfare of someone 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:23.240 else that I didn't know well enough. Grew that and like, 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.880 see if I can do a big move out of it. 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.120 I was just a little bit anxious and obviously talking 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.560 to Mark saying like, well, this is brutally you just 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.440 cannot do this to people. I was like, man, I 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.200 think he's right. I think like I'm just trying to 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.960 play the game too much, Like I have to get 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:40.680 my competitive mode down and think about others and see 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:41.280 where it got me. 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.439 I mean, that's performance from Raymond, though, Like I think 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.880 you ever mentioned this before. It was kind of oscar worthy, 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.959 you know, it's very convincing. Did everyone believe him though? 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.880 Did you think everyone was as shocked as you were 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:55.520 to find out that it was all a lie? 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.560 Absolutely? Everyone fell for it. He's been like people coming 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.000 up to him all the time, checking on him, trying 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.720 to fit him, trying to see how he's going, trying 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:06.840 to get him outside of it. Like he was doing 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.720 a top job. Like he couldn't you couldn't fault it. 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.080 There was no one point of time, like even watch 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.080 him at the challenges. He was literally like this. I 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:16.880 was like, I was looking at him. I was like, man, 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:18.199 this is sickening. 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.560 This is dangerous though, because I mean, you could just 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.840 be like a home and Away Neighbors actor and not 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:26.040 be very convincing and your cover gets blown. But he 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.840 managed to play it perfectly, which would be really hard 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:29.160 to do. 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.720 That was the best move that I had witnessed from 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:36.040 day one to thirty to day thirty seven. When he 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.160 did this, I was like, man, that was something that 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.200 people will remember for the rest of the life. And 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:42.920 Raymond is a big fan of the game, so I 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.959 feel like it was a very special moment to be remembered, 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.400 regardless of what will be the outcome, just that one 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.440 day it was already worth the whole game for him. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.400 I think it's going to be quite iconic. You were 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.920 the only one to really challenge him, though on a 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.760 unanimous vote, we did see you starting to trust your 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.079 guy and maybe raise a few questions. What was going on? 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.679 Did you really think that you were going to try 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.800 and vote for someone else and go against everyone else's decision. 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.160 Yes, I feel like at that point of time, I said, 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:15.200 we just saw Scotty and that destroyed my game, and 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:19.760 I was just hoping to recover from that experience in 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.200 trying to build up something else. And then when that happens, 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:24.200 I was like me, you know, just like it's again 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.520 happening to me. I have to do something about it. 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:28.800 And I was thinking that someone else also thinking the 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.640 same way. I really thought that someone else was doing 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.680 some plan because every time, like from day one in 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.880 our season, you're going in and there's always a blind side. 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.280 There was never an easy vote, there was always something 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:41.760 going on. So I was like, I wasn't just going 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.439 there thinking they're it's going to go smooth, because it's 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.160 never smooth there. So I did have a plan in 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.440 my head, I said, I was just battling with my 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:53.120 own instincts and the morality of what's happening, and even 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.280 like with Mark raising the point that the juribulare going 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.760 to hate us. He's got the point there for sure. 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.679 If you do something and the guy was actually struggling, 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.559 that would backfire. And it was all one personal support you. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.280 So it was a such a tricky one. But I said, 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:11.079 it was my body and my instincts battling with the 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.320 brain and it did not go very well together. 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.200 I watched your face the whole way through that tribal 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.320 council because I was like, if anyone's going to change 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.559 this vote, it's Hilaria. So what her face is doing 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.000 during this is going to give away what or who 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:28.720 you had voted for. Who would you have actually written down? Though, Like, 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.599 if you were confident enough to think that Raymond was 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.560 lying and you wanted to upset this tribal council with 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.480 a different vote, who would you have gone with? 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.640 It would be one hundred percent be Rhiannon or Kirby, 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.760 And I obviously seeing Kirby putting the necklace on Rhiannon 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.360 and I would definitely put Kirby down. 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.600 That would have been interesting. Isn't it so strange that 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.200 no one seems to be going after Ferris and Kirby, Like, 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.520 is that because they're really lovely and you need them 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.240 on the beach of Samoa or are they too big 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.240 a move to try and go for it this time? 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.120 Then you speak in my mind. Actually, if you would 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:05.760 remember the episode before that where Mark proposed to vote 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:10.280 against Jayden, I said, let's go against Ferris and let's 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:12.559 make it roll. And Mark said to me, but he's 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.040 got an idol. I was like, so it doesn't matter. 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:16.920 He was like, no, no, no, like we need to play safe. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.400 And I remember the die I was so, I was like, guy, 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.800 it's this perfect moment, Ferris feeling like he is at 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.960 the top of the mountain. I didn't. I just wasn't 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.840 scared about this idol because I feel like people usually 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.000 would use it until the very end, when you know, 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.560 just like Top six, when you've got the last chance 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:37.280 to use it. So I was so keen on getting 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.240 the big targets out, proposing farres, but people are just 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.400 too worried. I feel like you need to risk the game, 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.720 and I feel like a lot of people scared to 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.840 risk it. And for example, the way that Mark plays, 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.440 of the way Mark plays, he's a very safe player. 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.840 He likes to feel comfortable and he likes to find 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.960 the softer's way backgrounds makes sense. He's a diplomat. He 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.120 trying to soften things up, where for me, let me 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.760 risk everything. I want to just try it and try 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.120 if it goes, because Fairest and Kerby are risking it 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.840 and that's what I'm getting them through. And that risk 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:13.000 I respect, Like it's ballsy, it's dangerous if my backfire 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.760 is so hot, but how good it is if it works. 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.840 So I was kin on Feris the night before and 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.440 I was keen on Rhannon or Kirby as well. But 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.680 you need a bit of support. You need at least 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.600 you know, one person saying yay, good idea, let's do it. 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.760 You know, just need someone to tell me I'm the 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.120 right Because being a newbie as well, I was like, 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.320 am I just imagining in my head what I wanted 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.880 to do? And it's just how do you do it? 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:39.960 It's it's such a tricky game, like you watch the 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:41.360 other place and I was like, I think I know 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:42.360 my plan and know what I'm. 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.560 Going to do. Can recover from this though, I mean 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.960 even Fairest to a certain extent, can pulling off a 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.840 big lie that is making people believe that your mental 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:52.800 health isn't strong enough to be on a show. Is 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.480 that going to affect their gameplay moving forward? Like maybe 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.000 people will be upset about. 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.320 This dred percent. I feel like it's fifty to fifty. Obviously, 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.520 the people that he shared with it was all good, 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.720 so he's got some side to himself. Same time, some 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.680 people say, mate, you made scotty situation kind of a 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.920 mockery of it all? Is that really good? Like so 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.720 I feel like that's how I thought, you know, getting 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.320 out of it. I was like interested, I'm curious to 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:21.000 see how people would react because you're playing on these 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:25.480 bad emotions and bad mental you know, struggles that Scotty 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:29.520 was just so open about. Say next time, imagine someone's 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:33.720 going for real, you know, getting sick. And then people say, ah, 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.080 we've seen that before. That was Raymond's story. No, no, no, 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:37.920 We're going to drag you down, like what the Larry 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.680 couldn't do. We're going to drag you all the way down, 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:43.200 and this guy collapse completely. So it is very shaky. 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.400 Raymond definitely risk it because he didn't know if people 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.040 just turn around and say, listen, mate, that was not good. 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.240 You're going to be going home because you kind of 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:52.560 you know, led us to it. 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:54.840 Who's going to go after Raymond first? Though? Like, who 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:56.280 do you reckon is going to be the most angry 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.800 about this situation? Who's going to try and take a swing? 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.120 You know, we've got all the nice people left in 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.600 the camp. Now you know I'm gone. I feel like 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.320 for Raymond to be a target on Raymond's back, this 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.680 one move is not enough if he pulls out something else, 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.760 if you really make another move that, I feel like 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.119 the person will go after them would be someone like 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:23.200 Caroline Katy not even Caroline, I feel like probably Kitty 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:28.439 Alex Mark. So the players that done some moves but 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.240 didn't do a lot because Raymond then will be on 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:35.840 the same kind of pace. Raymond wasn't doing much, but 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:37.880 then he'd done this huge move and then he puught 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.160 something else, and then they would feel like, yes, if 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.280 they go against each other top two, it's going to 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.200 be hard to pick. So I feel like those people 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.240 would definitely see Raymond as a threat and will try 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.399 to put them out. Where with Ferris and Kirby, I 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:53.040 feel like they still feel pretty comfortable because with Raymond, 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.280 Ferris was directly involved in this, so he could also 0:17:56.320 --> 0:18:00.080 claim partially a part of this plan, something that you 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.680 know it wouldn't happen if he wouldn't put his foot 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.560 in it and influence others. 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:06.240 I don't know if you were the right person for 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:07.840 them to I mean, the fact that they pulled it 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:09.719 off was crazy, But I don't know when they were 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:11.199 saying that they were going to take you out of 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.800 the competition, I don't know if that was who they 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:15.960 should have gone for. I mean, wouldn't it have been 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.199 amazing if Raymond got rid of Ferris at that point? Like, 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.399 I think he could have used that advantage in a 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.600 much more powerful way. I think if you're gonna pull 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:25.640 something like that off, I feel like then you need 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.399 to swing really hard at someone unusual. I don't know. 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.560 I just didn't think you were the right person for 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:31.800