1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Kalkutin woman from Gadighl country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Straight island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Tuesday, 8 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 2: sixteenth of January. 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Sam. 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 2: Voters in Taiwan have elected Li Chingtur from the Democratic 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: Progressive Party as their new leader. It's a history making 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: election for Taiwan, marking the first time a political party 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: in Taiwan has won a third straight presidential election and 14 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: the result sends a very clear message from the people 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: of Taiwan. They want independence from China. We're going to 16 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: tell you what you need to know in today's deep dive. 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: First Sam, what are the headlines. 18 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: More packages of cocaine have washed up on New South 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: Wales shores after police discovered several suspicious packages last month. 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 3: Since the twenty second of December, over two hundred kilos 21 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 3: of cocaine bricks have washed up on beaches from Wollongong 22 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: and Sydney's North all the way up to the Central 23 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 3: Coast and Newcastle. Investigators are working with ocean current analysts 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 3: to determine where and when the packages may have entered 25 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: the water. They're also seeking advice from experts on barnacles 26 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 3: to analyze a growth timeline. Early estimates indicate the packages 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 3: were in the water for about four to six weeks. 28 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 2: The wealth of the world's five richest people has more 29 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: than doubled since twenty twenty. That's according to a new 30 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: report on inequality from Oxfam. The report found that the 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: most wealthy one percent owns forty three percent of the 32 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: world's financial assets and individually responsible for the same amount 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: of carbon pollution as two thirds of the poorest people 34 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: in the world come bind. Oxfam also found the wealth 35 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: of more than five billion people has fallen since twenty twenty. 36 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: The twenty twenty three Emmy Awards will take place in 37 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: la today, months later than scheduled due to delays from 38 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 3: the Hollywood Actors and Writers' strikes. Succession leads the nominations. 39 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: The HBO drama is up for twenty seven Awards, including 40 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: a nomination for Ozzie Sarah Snook. Other Australian nominees include 41 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 3: Murray Bartlett and Elizabeth Debicki. The Emmys will air live 42 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: on Binge and Foxtel at midday Australian Eastern daylight time. 43 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: And the good news NATA has unveiled a new aircraft 44 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: that could change the way we travel. The X fifty 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: nine quiet supersonic aircraft is designed to fly at one 46 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: point four times the speed of sound, around fifteen hundred 47 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: kilometers per hour. Its narrow shape was designed to allow 48 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: the aircraft to move quickly while keeping noise to a minimum. 49 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 2: It's expected to fly for the first time later this year. 50 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 3: So Taiwan has a new president. His name is Leiching 51 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 3: Ta and his victory is the third successive win for 52 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 3: Taiwan's Democratic Progressive Party. Now, importantly, that party is known 53 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 3: for supporting and promoting Taiwan's separate identity from China. It's 54 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 3: one of those really complex, interesting geopolitical issues that comes 55 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 3: up in the news quite a bit. Now. It is 56 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 3: Taiwan's complex relationship with China which really sets the context 57 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: of this election and explains why the Democratic Progressive party's 58 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 3: win is so significant and why we want to talk 59 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: about it today, Zara, Why don't we start with setting 60 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: the scene of Taiwan's relationship with China. 61 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, Taiwan is an island and it's separated from 62 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: China by the Taiwan Strait. Now, Taiwan sees itself as 63 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: a sovereign state, so that just basically means that it's 64 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: independent from any other powers. So it sees itself as 65 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: its own country with its own government. On the flip side, though, 66 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: China views Taiwan as one of its provinces and so 67 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: that it will inevitably reunify Taiwan with the rest of China. 68 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: It's spoken repeatedly of that reunification of Taiwan and said 69 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: that it must be fulfilled and that it has the 70 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: right to actually use military force. 71 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: To do this. 72 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: And so there is this ongoing tension between what China 73 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 2: is saying and what Taiwan is saying. 74 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 3: So now place Taiwan's Democratic Progressive Party in that context. 75 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's the party that won over the weekend, 76 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: and first and foremost, they promote the independence of Taiwan, 77 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: and that is their fundamental principle. The party believes and 78 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: I quote it's a historical fact that Taiwan is not 79 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: a part of the People's Republic of China, nor does 80 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: her sovereignty encompass mainland China. Another key principle is that 81 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: it believes in a free and democratic country that should 82 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: rule without any violence. It's listed a range of things 83 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 2: that it wants to do, and one of them is 84 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: to restore and to develop international relations. It says that 85 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 2: it needs to approach the current issue of its status 86 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 2: in the international community more flexibly and proact. We'll get 87 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: to what that means in a little bit, but essentially, 88 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: I think the fact that they won sends a pretty 89 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: strong message about what the people of Taiwan want. Though 90 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 2: it is important to note that the DPP party did 91 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: not win a majority. They won around forty percent of 92 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: the vote though. 93 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: And so the leader of that party is lighting toe. 94 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: What did he say about the victory? 95 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 2: So after his win, he said, we didn't let external 96 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: forces influence our election. That's because we decided that only 97 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: we can choose our president. And he added that between 98 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 2: democracy and authoritarianism, we choose to stand on the side 99 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 2: of democracy. So it's very lofty language there. It shows 100 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: how high stake City is for Taiwan. He really emphasized 101 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: in his speech the importance of Taiwan being a democracy 102 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: and the decision the people of Taiwan made in choosing 103 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: a pro democracy party. He'll now be in office for 104 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: four years, but it's fair to say that he's going 105 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: to face some difficult times trying to navigate Taiwan's ongoing 106 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: relationship with China. 107 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 3: Interesting and if we heard anything from China about the 108 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 3: new government. 109 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: So a spokesperson for China responded to the election saying 110 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: that the absence of a total majority, because remember the 111 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: party only won forty percent, meant that the results show 112 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: that the DBP does not represent the mainstream public opinion 113 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: on the island. The statement also said that this election 114 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: cannot stop the general trend that the motherland will eventually 115 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 2: be reunified and will inevitably be reunified. So China saying 116 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: there that whatever is happening domestically in Taiwan, they are 117 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: still pursuing this reunification policy. The Chinese government said that 118 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 2: Taiwan is China's Taiwan and that our position on resolving 119 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: the Taiwan issue and achieving national reunification is consistent, and 120 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: our will is rock solid on the new president, specifically, 121 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: China previously referred to him as a troublemaker through and through, and. 122 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: Taiwan is one of those stories that always does involve 123 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: the broader international community. I remember US speaker Nancy Pelosi 124 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: made a really historic trip to Taiwan a couple of 125 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 3: years ago. Have we had my much of an international 126 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 3: response to this new government? 127 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think to answer that, we do need 128 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: to just explain how international governments view this tension between 129 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: Taiwan and China. So a lot of countries actually did 130 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: to what's called the One China Policy, and that's just 131 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: essentially a diplomatic acknowledgment of America and some other allies, 132 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: including US here in Australia, that there is a sole 133 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: legal government in China. That means they don't recognize Taiwan 134 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: as a country. But I should add that even though 135 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: they acknowledge the One China policy, it doesn't necessarily mean 136 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: that they agree with the principle itself. For example, Australia 137 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: still maintains unofficial relationships with Taiwan. There are still those 138 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: diplomatic channels available and following the weekend's election, the Australian 139 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: government did release a statement congratulating Lie on his victory 140 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: and the people of Taiwan on the peaceful exercise of 141 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: their democratic rights. Our government added that the smooth conduct 142 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: of the elections is a testament to the maturity and 143 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: the strength of Taiwan's democracy. 144 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: And I mentioned to the US before, did we hear 145 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: anything from the US specifically on this new election. 146 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 2: So the US Department of State said that it looked 147 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: forward to working with Lion, with Taiwan's leaders and to 148 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: further the longstanding unofficial relationship. Interesting, Yeah, consistent with the 149 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: US One China policy, So they were not stoking any 150 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: fires there. I'd say that was fairly careful language there. 151 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: President Joe Biden took it a step further. He was 152 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: very clear when asked during a press conference and said, 153 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: we do not support independence. So we're unlikely to see 154 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: a major change in US policy anytime soon there. 155 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 3: Okay, but it is going to be a big four 156 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: years for Taiwan in what is a rapidly developing part 157 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 3: of the world. So it'll be an interesting government to 158 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 3: keep an eye on. And what a new leader in 159 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 3: Taiwan means for the relationship with China and the broad 160 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: original security. That's all we've got time for on today's 161 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: episode of The Daily Oz. Thanks so much for listening 162 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 3: to this episode. If you're here from Spotify's Daily Drive, 163 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 3: we've got quite a few new listeners joining us after 164 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: being included in that playlist. Welcome. Make sure you give 165 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: us a follow so you don't miss an episode and 166 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: you're officially part of the TDA community. We'll be back 167 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 3: again in your years tomorrow morning. Until then, have a 168 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 3: great day.