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Speaker 1: A. Leah Finocchiaro, the Opposition leader, joins me in the studio.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Leah, Good morning Katie and to

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Speaker 2: your wonderful listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now very sad news yesterday morning with the NLC confirming

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Speaker 1: the passing of doctor Bush Blanasi. He was a strong

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Speaker 1: advocate and an inspirational leader for Aboriginal people across the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory and indeed Australia. Leah, how do you think

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Speaker 1: that doctor bush Blenasi should be remembered.

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Speaker 2: He will be remembered by many people as a fierce advocate,

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Speaker 2: but also really lovely man. He was just a really

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Speaker 2: lovely person to be around and speak to, very wise

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Speaker 2: and you know clearly a lot of people will be

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Speaker 2: mourning his loss. It certainly was a huge shock to

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Speaker 2: me yesterday to read the statement from the NLC, and

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Speaker 2: so our hearts go out to of course his family,

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Speaker 2: his friends, the entire team at the Northern Land Council

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Speaker 2: and everyone whose life is that he played a really

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Speaker 2: important role in.

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Speaker 1: Well. Look, we are hoping to speak to somebody about

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Speaker 1: his passing throughout this morning, but I do want to

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Speaker 1: move along because we know that the Northern Territory governor

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Speaker 1: is today expected to announce their plans to combat crime

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Speaker 1: in Alice Springs after a number of issues last week,

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Speaker 1: including about nine cars being stolen, a number of homes

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Speaker 1: being broken into, rocks being thrown at cars, including police cars. Lea,

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Speaker 1: what do you think the government should announce in Alis today?

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Speaker 2: Well, people are certainly waiting for this big announcement and

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Speaker 2: I genuinely hope it doesn't fall flat. But unless the

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Speaker 2: Chief Minister and the new Police Minister are in Alice

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Speaker 2: Springs with fifty or one hundred more police, making territory

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Speaker 2: families use justice officers work twenty four hours a day,

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Speaker 2: full coordination of all the NGOs who are delivering services

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Speaker 2: and requiring them to work twenty four hours a day,

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Speaker 2: I just can't see how anything they say is going

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Speaker 2: to actually make a difference to the people on the ground.

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Speaker 1: Well, the thing is they need something, They need that support,

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Speaker 1: and they need it right now. I know that the

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Speaker 1: police have come out and they have said that they're

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Speaker 1: better prepared than what they were last year when we

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Speaker 1: were in a similar situation. But the people of Alice

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Speaker 1: deserve to not be in this situation, like they've fought

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Speaker 1: long and hard they've been fighting long and hard about

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Speaker 1: this for a long time. I would have thought that

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Speaker 1: by this point, as we head into the summer months,

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Speaker 1: there would have been a bit of an order or

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Speaker 1: there would have been a bit of a look into

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Speaker 1: some of those organizations that are supposed to be delivering

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Speaker 1: different services to make sure that they're delivering them and

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Speaker 1: delivering them properly so we don't wind up with kids

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Speaker 1: roaming the streets and breaking the law.

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Speaker 2: You're exactly right, Katie, and this is something we've been

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Speaker 2: calling for all year. We even wrote to the Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister going back to January or February, and he still

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Speaker 2: hasn't responded to us, saying that there needs to be

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Speaker 2: an ordit of all money going into youth services to

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Speaker 2: see whether there's duplication, whether the programs are working, and

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Speaker 2: we need to be holding everyone accountable. This is taxpayers

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Speaker 2: money we need.

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Speaker 3: How come you wrote to the Prime Minister Win in January?

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Speaker 2: It was January or February, Katie Win.

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Speaker 3: No response. No, Still, yes, that's quite rude.

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Speaker 2: Really, it shows the level of care that labor have

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Speaker 2: for this issue, and ultimately it's people in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I was in ten at Creek last week.

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Speaker 2: They're suffering terribly there as well, Katie, as all territories.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Natasha Files and Brent Pott can fly

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Speaker 2: down to Alice and make some sort of shiny announcement.

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Speaker 2: The reality is our police can only do so much

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Speaker 2: because labor have disempowered them, which is why if this

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Speaker 2: is what Labour want to do, if they want to

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Speaker 2: make sure that police can't deal with youth offenders, then

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Speaker 2: they've got to make sure that territory families and other

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Speaker 2: agencies are there to pick up the slack because our

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Speaker 2: police's hands are tied and territory families don't work twenty

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Speaker 1: So do you think that territory families should be on

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Speaker 1: duty twenty four hours.

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Speaker 3: A day now?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? If police have been disempowered to deal with yous

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Speaker 2: and we have used out in the street that our

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Speaker 2: police are not able to deal with, then whose responsibility

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Speaker 2: is that? It comes down to care and protection of

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Speaker 2: children issue, which means there needs to be a lot

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Speaker 2: more than just someone on call. It's not acceptable the

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Speaker 2: way the government has resourced and restructured this space. Something

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Speaker 2: really drastic needs to be done. But I think We're

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Speaker 2: just going to have holow promises and shiny letterheads today.

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Speaker 1: Leah Robin Landley yesterday suggested that there should be an

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Speaker 1: ability for emergency lockdowns to occur.

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Well, I.

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Speaker 2: Guess it depends on the situation. Obviously, if there's something

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Speaker 2: very violent and catastrophic happening, police do that. Anyway. What

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Speaker 2: we don't want is to give in to the criminals, though,

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Speaker 2: we just want to deal with the criminals. I know

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Speaker 2: the CLP have tried. We've got legislation and policies ready

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Speaker 2: to go on strengthening bail, holding us accountable, holding parents accountable,

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Speaker 2: having mandatory community service, dealing with these criminal issues, but

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Speaker 2: also the underlying issues as well of why people turn

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Speaker 2: to a life of crime and how to turn that

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Speaker 2: life around. But labor are just not grappling with any

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Speaker 2: of these issues, not meeting community expectation, and ultimately we're

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Speaker 2: seeing crime rates higher than ever before.

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Speaker 3: I understand Bill Yan got broken into as well. He did.

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Speaker 2: His whole house was turned upside down and he doesn't

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Speaker 2: feel special and he said, Leah, it was my time.

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Speaker 2: It'd been a couple of years since I've been broken into,

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Speaker 2: And how I was heartbroken when he said that to me,

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Speaker 2: because that's how people feel in Alice Springs. You know,

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Speaker 2: if it's been a little while since the last breaking,

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Speaker 2: it must be your turn. And that is not normal,

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Speaker 2: it is not acceptable, it is not okay.

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Speaker 1: Now, yesterday you delivered a keynote address to the Property

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Speaker 1: Council of the Northern Territory outlining your vision for the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory. If the COLP is elected next year, still

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Speaker 1: on Alice Springs, what would you do in the first

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Speaker 1: one hundred days to try and turn things around for

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Speaker 2: Firstly, well, that first Parliament, Katie, if we win in

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Speaker 2: August next year, will be around law and order reform.

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Speaker 2: We will empower our police to deal with public drinking

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Speaker 2: alcohol youth offenders. We will stop the endless second chances

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Speaker 2: of bail, which means less criminals out on our streets,

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Speaker 2: which will free up police time to be able to

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Speaker 2: do more proactive policing. There are a number of things

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Speaker 2: we can do immediately, which includes system wide reform. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: the audit will be a huge part of what we

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Speaker 2: do because we need to know where taxpayers dollars are

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Speaker 2: being spent and how we can spend them more effectively, perhaps.

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Speaker 1: A firm that means in order to into some of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all of the spending, all of the spending is

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Speaker 2: their duplication. Are we missing you know, are there gaps

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Speaker 2: that need to be filled? Do we need more money?

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Speaker 2: Do we need less money? All of these things are

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Speaker 2: questions the current government can't answer because they just don't

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Speaker 1: I mean, lea, are you going to need to build

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Speaker 1: a bigger jail though, because by the sounds of it,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if we're talking about stopping the endless you know,

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Speaker 1: endless yeh. Second, people doing the wrong thing when they're

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Speaker 1: on bail, we're going to see more people locked up.

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Speaker 1: We already our jails are absolutely bursting at the same

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Speaker 1: so how do you deal with that? Yep?

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Speaker 2: And that's an infrastructure question. And if we need a

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Speaker 2: new prisons, new facilities, and so be it. I mean

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Speaker 2: that to me is just a simple equation of it.

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Speaker 2: Does our infrastructure cope?

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Speaker 3: It's not.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't in and of itself solve the problem. So

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Speaker 2: my focus is on making sure criminals are not on

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Speaker 2: place hopefully stop people entering a life of crime. But

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Speaker 2: if they do, then we give them every opportunity in

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Speaker 2: life to have a different pathway forward.

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to step away from Alice Springs

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Speaker 1: for a moment and look more so at the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory across the board in terms of your priorities and

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Speaker 1: in terms of that speech that you delivered yesterday, what

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Speaker 1: are your main priorities if you are elected in August

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Speaker 2: So our focus is around three simple points. Take back

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Speaker 2: control of our streets, rebuild the territory's reputation, and get

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 2: We need to make sure that the territory is that

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Speaker 2: place of opportunity that we all remember it to be.

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Speaker 2: So people come here for an opportunity and they stay

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Speaker 2: for the lifestyle, and when those two issues come out

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Speaker 2: of balance, people leave. My focus is on getting back

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Speaker 2: for the territory and that our lifestyle matches so that

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Speaker 2: people can live here in peace, in freedom, enjoying our

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Speaker 2: stay here too.

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Speaker 1: Leah, great slogans, but how do you actually do that?

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Speaker 1: And how do you try to get that happening within

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Speaker 1: one hundred days?

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Speaker 2: So you change the law. I mean, the beauty of

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Speaker 2: being in government means you hold the power in the parliament,

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Speaker 2: and we would change the laws immediately to empower police,

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Speaker 2: to make sure that we'd stop the endless second chances

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Speaker 2: we need to have a total shift in thinking on

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Speaker 2: how we deal with economic development. We already have legislation

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Speaker 2: and that is a clear focus for us and area

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Speaker 2: that we will be pushing ahead because we know there

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Speaker 2: is no time to lose.

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Speaker 1: How do you repair the Northern Tier's reputation right now?

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Speaker 2: You have to get Lauren on a back under control.

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Speaker 2: You have to be a certain and secure place to invest,

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Speaker 2: and to do that you have to have a strong

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Speaker 2: that level of certainty. So rebuilding our reputation is critical

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Speaker 2: because people will continue to leave if we don't, and

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Speaker 2: people won't come until that's dealt weather And the only

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Speaker 2: way to rebuild our reputation is to have a safe

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Speaker 3: I mean one of the other things, so that we're

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Speaker 3: grappling with here in the territory.

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Speaker 1: At the moment you're speaking about sort of major projects

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Speaker 1: and making sure that people have confidence in investing in

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. Again, how do you do that when

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Speaker 1: at the moment different projects that are you know, that

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Speaker 1: are underway. Let's look at Leepoint as an example. They

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Speaker 1: various reasons. So how do you then restore that confidence

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Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory as being a place that is

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Speaker 1: open for business. If you've then got environmental groups, indigenous

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and so it's about the rules of

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Speaker 2: the game, Kdie. It's about having a very clear framework

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Speaker 2: in which approvals processes are done and once they're done,

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Speaker 2: you know, that's the end of the story. There's got

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Speaker 2: to be certainty. We cannot continue in this ever changing

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Speaker 2: environment where the sands continue to shift.

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Speaker 1: So what about a situation like Santos on the Tiwi Islands.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so obviously that's before the court, so that's a

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Speaker 2: slightly different situation. But what we know is there is

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Speaker 2: legislation we can change, for example, with gas labor brought

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Speaker 2: in legislation that allows third parties who have absolutely nothing

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Speaker 2: to do with the territory, nothing to do with the Bealoo,

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with anything, to be able to put

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Speaker 2: in objections and obfiscate the process. And we always fought

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Speaker 2: against that and that's something we can change relatively simply

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Speaker 2: in Parliament, which will give certainty to investors that they're

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Speaker 2: not going to have the time delays and stalls and

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Speaker 2: head from people who just seek to cause mischief.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 3: Well, Leah and Occhio, we are going to have to

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Speaker 3: leave it there.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate your time, appreciate you talking us through the

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Speaker 1: colp's platform. As well as you head into head into

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Speaker 1: I guess we're you know, we're only what nine months out?

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Speaker 3: I think in the Northern Territory election.

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Speaker 2: Two hundred and eighty four days, Katie. But I'm not

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Speaker 2: counting two.

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Speaker 3: Hundred and eighty four days. Well, we do have a listener, Peter,

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Speaker 3: who is.

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Speaker 1: Keeping an eye on those numbers, so we'll confirm that

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Speaker 1: that is correct. Two hundred and eighty four days. Leah

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Speaker 1: and Occhio. Appreciate your time, thanks for coming in this morning.

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Speaker 2: You take care everyone.

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Speaker 3: Thank you,