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<v Speaker 1>I heard podcasts, hear more Kiss podcast playlist and listen

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<v Speaker 1>Hockley and Laura Burn Radio work our windows down.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my world.

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<v Speaker 1>Reason the dust only good fabs all down.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't march, but yeah, I know I'll big get

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<v Speaker 2>and what I want it don't baddle where.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the pick up.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, It's a pickup with Brett Hockley and Laura Burn.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Laura, I didn't think I'd be saying this, but

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a new hobby.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a new sport.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an athlete now that I have absolutely fallen in

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<v Speaker 2>love with, and I just feel like everybody needs to

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<v Speaker 2>do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Paddle ball paddle tennis.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I knew it was gonna be something like that

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<v Speaker 1>was I don't know, it's paddle ball a thing.

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<v Speaker 4>It was actually a guess I was gonna say that

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<v Speaker 4>all table tennis or something that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Not table tennis. You're adult tennis. It is, guys, if

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<v Speaker 3>you haven't tried it, it's so fun. It's like the

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<v Speaker 3>funnest what I might have ever played.

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<v Speaker 4>What's the difference between paddle tennis and just tennis? Tennis.

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<v Speaker 3>I was hoping you'd ask.

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<v Speaker 2>That it's this kind of sport that anyone can play.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got into it with my sister when she

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<v Speaker 2>was heavily pregnant. She could even play it heavily pregnant

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not it's like a tiny, mini condensed version

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<v Speaker 2>of tennis.

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<v Speaker 3>So the courts are really small.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not running around, you don't run. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>my idea of tennis.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, you still run, but you don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>run as much because the idea is it's in a

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<v Speaker 2>glass box.

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<v Speaker 4>So the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>If you miss the ball, fine because it bounces off

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<v Speaker 2>a glass wall, and then you keep playing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like playing rebound.

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<v Speaker 1>If this sounds like when everyone got into squash for

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<v Speaker 1>a while.

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<v Speaker 3>There, it's squashed on steroids.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so good. I'm so happy for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say I'm going to try it at this

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<v Speaker 1>point in my pregnancy, but I'm thrilled for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me take you to play one day. Once the

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<v Speaker 2>baby's out. You're back on your feet because it's you'll

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<v Speaker 2>have so much fun. And producer Grace, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>you're coming to with that face.

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<v Speaker 1>No, take me out for a boozy lunch, take out,

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<v Speaker 1>a day's spar Anyway, I don't want to complain.

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<v Speaker 3>Look on that pelvic floor. We're going to do sport.

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<v Speaker 1>Being that it's Thursday, we do ask and Cut every Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where you call up with your biggest, deepest,

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<v Speaker 1>darkest problems and we do our best to answer them.

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<v Speaker 1>And now, what would you do, Britt if you discovered

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<v Speaker 1>that you weren't actually your partner's type? Because that is

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<v Speaker 1>today's conundrum. Nina, Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi, how are you am?

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<v Speaker 4>I doing good? How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 5>Would be like weird?

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<v Speaker 4>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>Nina?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I've been with my partner for like almost a year,

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<v Speaker 5>so eleven months, and only recently have we like you know,

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<v Speaker 5>really like gone through like our exes or like sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>they're like peekover when he's like on his like Instagram

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever. And I've realized that like all of his

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<v Speaker 5>exes and like people on the feet are like tiger

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<v Speaker 5>like blonde girls or like very specific look and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm nothing for the thought. I'm curly hair, brunette, a

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<v Speaker 5>bit taller, a bit bigger, and i just I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>may not this man's type. Like I don't, I feel

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<v Speaker 5>like really insecure and read about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Nina, I'm just gonna stop you in your tracks right here.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an easy one for me. You've just got

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<v Speaker 2>to think, You've just got to think he's with you,

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<v Speaker 2>like they didn't work out, the exes didn't work out.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been with him for a year, Like, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you mean you're not his type? Like he's with you now?

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<v Speaker 2>It's that's saying that you are.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I don't know. The whole thing is just kind

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<v Speaker 5>of like weeding me out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Nina, it sounds like you're your own worst enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>You're doing it to yourself self sabotage.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think that, like it's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>People often have like a type or like a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they have like an idea of what their type is.

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<v Speaker 1>But then after you've dated multiple people that are your

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<v Speaker 1>type and you realize it never works out that type,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes your type expands out and you date different people.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you know, if he's in a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with you for eleven months and you guys are happy,

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<v Speaker 1>I absolutely would not be self sabotaging your relationship because

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<v Speaker 1>you're worried that you think you're not his type. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though he's done nothing to give you that indication.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I remember, I remember dating this guy so long ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we were going great, just I was leaving over

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<v Speaker 2>in London and I remember making a mistake of looking

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<v Speaker 2>up his X. I don't know why, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>a literal supermodel, like she was the hottest thing you've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen.

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<v Speaker 4>And I remember just.

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<v Speaker 2>That just getting in my head, even though he wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to date me, and I just sabotaged the entire relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we can get too caught up in like

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<v Speaker 2>comparison culture and comparing each other.

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<v Speaker 3>And just try to lip in the moment. You guys

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<v Speaker 3>are happy and in love. You've been together for a year, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>don't let someone.

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<v Speaker 2>That he dated seven years ago ruin your relationship now.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, look, I think I did to think about did.

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<v Speaker 4>You bring it up with him at all?

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<v Speaker 1>Or you've just been keeping this a secret and festering away.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, no, I don't want to bring it up.

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<v Speaker 4>You're like, I don't want to sound crazy. Hey, your

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<v Speaker 4>extra You're Extra.

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<v Speaker 3>Nineteen ninety nine was so hot that.

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<v Speaker 4>What happened to me?

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<v Speaker 1>Though, Nina, did you ever bring it up with your partner?

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<v Speaker 1>Briant At the time.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I just ended it.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, that's weird, too, weird, that's weird.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I know that now.

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<v Speaker 4>So I am my husband Matt here.

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<v Speaker 1>He's dated some beautiful girls back in the day, gorgeous girls,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of them is so gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 4>One of them is so gorgeous that she is a

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<v Speaker 4>very successful model, and she.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like the face of an iconic sunscreen brand and

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<v Speaker 1>they'd like double his skincare and everything else. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was using it until like I was bringing it home

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<v Speaker 1>and like having it on the in my bathroom cabetry

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<v Speaker 1>and face. Yeah, and that was like I dated her,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's on the product packaging of the and now

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<v Speaker 1>I can't use it anymore. But I did have a

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<v Speaker 1>moment where I got a bit wigged out because I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, God, your exes are so hot.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a worry, Nina. This one's easier. Just don't stalk

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<v Speaker 2>his exes from ten years ago. Do you embrace your relationship?

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<v Speaker 4>Know your worth?

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<v Speaker 3>No, he's with you for just who you are right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Know your worth.

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<v Speaker 5>It's true.

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<v Speaker 2>If we're going to get deep, all right, strapping, If

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to get deep, it's because of an.

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<v Speaker 3>Insecurity that you might not even know you have.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you're looking up that and then comparing yourself

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<v Speaker 2>to a next and then you're overthinking it, that's you

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<v Speaker 2>being insecure for whatever reason. But that's why I say, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you're worth like he's choosing you and you guys are happy, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Just live in that moment totally.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 4>No, thanks, Nina, that's tough.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the common comments, Laura that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to be fielding for quite a long time is

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<v Speaker 2>about my relationship to my new husband Ben and the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that we don't live together and don't live in

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<v Speaker 2>the same country. So I get comments every day in

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<v Speaker 2>my Instagram, like on my pictures, in my dms, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's a constant thing I'm dealing with.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you deal with that when the commentary around

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<v Speaker 1>your relationship feels negative at times?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what it used to bother me?

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't bother me now because I know how great

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<v Speaker 2>my relationship is, and so it's like, you know, we're married,

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<v Speaker 2>we're happy.

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<v Speaker 4>It suits us. It doesn't bother me.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to bring it up because I think

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<v Speaker 2>people don't understand the benefits to a long distance relationship.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean you can't. I was gonna say, you

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<v Speaker 4>can't fight.

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<v Speaker 1>You can still fight over the phone, but like it

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<v Speaker 1>would definitely ease some of the stresses of having to

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<v Speaker 1>share a space with someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I live in essential a one bedroom apartment, so

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<v Speaker 2>I can't just like kick him out and have my

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<v Speaker 2>own sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I have.

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<v Speaker 2>Realized now that my husband's been here for a month,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a long time. Usually we're a few weeks at

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<v Speaker 2>a time, or I'm over in his country in Italy.

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<v Speaker 2>I have just realized how much I value sleep when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on my own, and how much better I sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>We are not compatible in the way we sleep. We

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<v Speaker 2>go to bed at completely different times. He needs different heats,

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<v Speaker 2>he needs to wear different levels of clothes. He has

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<v Speaker 2>to have his sheets out where I have to tuck

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<v Speaker 2>them in.

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<v Speaker 1>He sits maniac psychopath has their sheets tucked in.

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<v Speaker 4>I do you tuck them in under.

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<v Speaker 1>Your mattress and you and you get into a tucked

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<v Speaker 1>in bed.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, Oh, I'm so constricting.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to like pull everything out and just like

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<v Speaker 1>have it loosely flapping over me in the wind.

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<v Speaker 4>No, that is the worst I can sleep with better

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<v Speaker 4>than you.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, okay, come on.

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<v Speaker 4>Over then, Laura, he's all your.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't tuck your sheeting. But it's called it's a

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<v Speaker 2>fitted sheet.

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<v Speaker 4>I hate it. I hate it. No, the fitted sheet

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<v Speaker 4>obviously tucked and that's on the ballot.

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<v Speaker 3>It's well, I mean it's a top sheet, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>still made to.

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<v Speaker 4>Be tucked in. Awful, horrible.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you google grace if they're made to be touched.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like somebody's put me in a straight jacket.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, this is the problem we have. Fill me in.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't believe I didn't know this about you.

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<v Speaker 2>If the sheet isn't tucked in, your legs are just

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<v Speaker 2>willing nearly and you're rolling around.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't you get yourself like all tangled.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't get out of bed in the morning because

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, I mean, my legs are in a not

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<v Speaker 2>because the sheet's everywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, I hate it. Nah nah, I'm on Bend's

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<v Speaker 4>side with that one.

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<v Speaker 1>But what else, Like, I mean, Ben's very very tall,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's probably he takes up a lot of bed space.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, got a bed.

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<v Speaker 2>Real Estate's six for five. He takes up the entire bed.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have electric blankets that are like.

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<v Speaker 3>Down the middle where one's on and one's off.

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<v Speaker 2>I put mine on heat at the start, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I turn it off just so it's lukewarm.

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<v Speaker 4>He will have his, so it's like I'm in a

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<v Speaker 4>pool of sweat. It is so hot.

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<v Speaker 2>He puts air conditioning on about twenty six degrees like

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm going to pass out.

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<v Speaker 3>He wakes up really late. I wake up really early,

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<v Speaker 3>like people.

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<v Speaker 2>People don't realize how much sleep compatibility is a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do when you're married and you realize

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<v Speaker 1>that you're not sleep compatible. I think that what ends

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<v Speaker 1>up happening is that someone ends up going and sleeping

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<v Speaker 1>in another room eventually.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I also think that that's what we probably need

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<v Speaker 2>to normalize. I know so many people that don't sleep

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<v Speaker 2>in the same room as their partner. I don't only

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<v Speaker 2>sleep in the same country as my partner.

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<v Speaker 4>True.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that people would probably be able to get

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<v Speaker 1>their heads around it more if you were sleeping just

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<v Speaker 1>in separate rooms rather than separate countries.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's called sleep divorce, where it's like you're

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<v Speaker 2>in love and happy in together, but you just realize

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<v Speaker 2>your life is more beneficial when you're sleeping separately to

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<v Speaker 2>your partner.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there's a lot of I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be like there's a lot of stigma around it,

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Think anyone's really stigmatizing it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that people who don't do it have

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<v Speaker 1>a perception around it that if you choose to sleep

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<v Speaker 1>in a separate bed to your partner, that there must

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<v Speaker 1>be something wrong with the relationship, or it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>death of your intimacy, or all those sorts of things.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, I think about my grandparent to be fair,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they are very intimate towards their

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<v Speaker 1>old age rest in peace, but they slept in separate

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<v Speaker 1>bedrooms for got like thirty years and.

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<v Speaker 4>They were very happily married.

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<v Speaker 1>I struggle with this one though, because as much as

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<v Speaker 1>I really really love a cuddle and love sleeping in

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<v Speaker 1>the bed next to my husband, I also find him

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<v Speaker 1>really challenging.

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<v Speaker 4>We spoke about a couple weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>He sleeps with his elbows out, like he's trying to

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<v Speaker 1>protect himself from what. I don't know, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I could entertain the idea of sleeping in separate rooms.

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<v Speaker 1>We also don't have any separate rooms because they've.

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<v Speaker 4>All got kids in them or mother in law's or dogs.

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<v Speaker 4>But totally, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I feel about it, because yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's fine. Yes, I think it's normal. I

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<v Speaker 1>know so many people do and it doesn't mean the

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<v Speaker 1>death of a relationship. But I would think I would

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<v Speaker 1>struggle with it, so I suffer through.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you guys ever sleep in separate beds when you

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<v Speaker 2>had like Marley and Lola, like your first two kids

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<v Speaker 2>with their little so that one could get more sleep

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<v Speaker 2>or you don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>We played musical beds though, So what would happen is

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<v Speaker 1>like if Marley got into our bed and also Lola

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<v Speaker 1>was in, then Matt would get up and he'd go

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<v Speaker 1>and sleep in one of the kid's beds. So like

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<v Speaker 1>we would just like rotate around the house.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so you essentially slept in different beds.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but it wasn't that the plan, wasn't that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was only if like the nighttime sleeping went really wrong. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a question for you, and no judgment. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a genuine question.

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<v Speaker 4>How do you think you're going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go when you are one hundred percent in each other's

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<v Speaker 1>company all the time?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh think fine, Okay. I was like trying to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>it's give me terrible clear.

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<v Speaker 3>We're so compatible, We're just not sleep. We have different

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<v Speaker 3>ideas of what a good night's sleep is.

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<v Speaker 1>Vin Diesel has caused a little bit of a stir

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<v Speaker 1>recently because he has come out talking about the next

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<v Speaker 1>installment of Fast and the Furious. So there's been ten

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<v Speaker 1>and the last film that was created was a two

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<v Speaker 1>part series, right, so they know that there's a second

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<v Speaker 1>one coming. It's been scheduled for twenty twenty seven. However, recently,

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<v Speaker 1>at a thing called fuel Fest, Vin Diesel came out

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<v Speaker 1>and said there's three conditions of which he will bring

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<v Speaker 1>back Fast and the Furious and do the final installment.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, the main one that people.

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<v Speaker 1>Are up in arms about is that he has said

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<v Speaker 1>that he thinks that Paul Walker should be brought back

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<v Speaker 1>to life by using AI techology and start in the film.

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<v Speaker 1>This has also been I guess approved or it's had like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the nod of approval from Paul Walker's estate,

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<v Speaker 1>which is his daughter, and also his brothers.

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<v Speaker 4>Because this fuel Fest car festival.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing is actually run by Paul Walker's brother, so they're

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<v Speaker 1>all kind of you know, okay with it. It really

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<v Speaker 1>does raise the question should we be using AI to

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<v Speaker 1>bring people back from the dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to nut that out a little bit, Laura, the

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<v Speaker 2>studios have been begging him to do the final installment.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't want to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>He has said he will only do it if Paul

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<v Speaker 2>comes back, so not like he's not hoping for it.

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<v Speaker 2>He is saying may but that's an ultimatum. Yeah, one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent. But he's a producer as well. Vin Diesel

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<v Speaker 2>like basically owns that franchise. And it's interesting because out

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<v Speaker 2>of all ten of The Fast and the Furious is

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<v Speaker 2>the highest grossing of any film was film number seven,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the film that Paul Walker passed away in.

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<v Speaker 2>So Paul filmed half of that tragically passed away. Then

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<v Speaker 2>they see gid him and used stunt doubles with his

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<v Speaker 2>brothers to finish the film, and then it was sort of.

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<v Speaker 3>Like everyone was moving on.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a bit of a moral conundrum here about, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>is it okay then to bring someone back from the

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<v Speaker 2>dead when they don't have any authority over how their

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<v Speaker 2>image is used in what capacity what they're doing in

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<v Speaker 2>a film. They obviously can't benefit from it.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Just because their family, daughter friends said it's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I guess like also, I mean, the thing

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<v Speaker 1>with AI is it's moved so quickly, and the legislation

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<v Speaker 1>and all the rules around it haven't really caught up

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<v Speaker 1>with how quickly it's moved. I don't think that there's

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<v Speaker 1>been a situation where the family and friends and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>else who's been surrounding like a legacy piece like Fast

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<v Speaker 1>and Furious has said, yeah, you know what, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a great idea, let's bring him back. And it's very

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<v Speaker 1>different to say when they seegid the ending of Fast

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<v Speaker 1>and Furious seven, And the reason for that is is

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<v Speaker 1>because that was to end the show. They had a

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<v Speaker 1>really lovely goodbye. The show ended, Paul went off, and

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<v Speaker 1>he drove his car off into the distance. This would

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<v Speaker 1>be completely manufacturing a new script, all new facial expressions,

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<v Speaker 1>like it would be holding a person from the ground

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<v Speaker 1>up using all archival information but not archival footage, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess for me, the reason why I felt

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<v Speaker 1>so weird when I read this, it's not because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that Vin Diesel and Meadow, which is Paul's daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll do the right thing by him. They're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have him doing awful things on screen or things that

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<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't be necessarily okay with. But it does make

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<v Speaker 1>you question who owns the image of someone once they

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<v Speaker 1>pass away. And we talked about this on Life on

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<v Speaker 1>Cut podcast. But Britt, if you drop dead, would it

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<v Speaker 1>be okay for me to see GI or AI a

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<v Speaker 1>version of you?

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<v Speaker 4>And we can continue to do the pick up because

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<v Speaker 4>they're really inconvenient to replace you.

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<v Speaker 3>Nah, put my face on like Rosy Huntings and Whitley

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<v Speaker 3>or something. Though, like, if you're gonna do it, do

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<v Speaker 3>it well, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But the other question is so we can say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't think he's going to be doing anything that

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<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't have normally done, does that mean that the

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<v Speaker 1>AI version of Paul Walker can come back in fast

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<v Speaker 1>and Furious and do a sex scene?

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<v Speaker 4>Like is that okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Especially if there's no parameters around the rules and the

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<v Speaker 1>I just think the whole I think so weird.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't want to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine it's going to be like he is going

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<v Speaker 2>to do nothing wrong. They're not going to have sex scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to make him do drugs. They're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to what it's going. I feel like they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>make him look like a hero in a way to

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<v Speaker 2>honor him.

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<v Speaker 3>It is Vindi's was his best friend.

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<v Speaker 2>And just to answer your question in relation to who

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<v Speaker 2>owns an image, we did a bit of researching this

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>The creators of the AI image.

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<v Speaker 2>So even though it is Paul Walker's likeness, it's his

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<v Speaker 2>face on a cgi body, it still belongs to the creator.

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<v Speaker 2>So whoever created the image owns it, but they can't

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<v Speaker 2>use it for publicity purposes. So whilst they own it,

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<v Speaker 2>they still need to get approval from that person's in

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<v Speaker 2>this case a state. The estate is his daughter, Meadow,

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<v Speaker 2>so they had to go to her to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>do you approve us using this? So it has been

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<v Speaker 2>a big collaborative I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just I understand that, but I also I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if an estate, or if family or if best

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<v Speaker 1>friends should have a right to say yes, it's okay

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<v Speaker 1>to use a complete the AI generated version of the

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<v Speaker 1>person that's passed away that they cannot consent to.

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<v Speaker 4>That they are literally dead and have been for over

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<v Speaker 4>a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Meadow is obviously going to benefit financially as well,

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<v Speaker 2>because is a fishery of the estate. I just think

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<v Speaker 2>it's such an ethical minefield to try and navigate, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>where do you draw the line if you say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>this one's okay because it's family and friends who are

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<v Speaker 2>doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we bring back child actors who have passed away?

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<v Speaker 1>Can we bring back music?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>There's are so many variations, and they think that unless

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<v Speaker 1>the legislation and the laws catch up. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>whether we should just be making concessions for friends and

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<v Speaker 1>family because we want to see out fast and furious.

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<v Speaker 4>There's been ten of them.

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<v Speaker 3>No, if you pass away another one, I one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>percent need this as an income. I'm going to keep

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<v Speaker 3>doing it. I'm just going to find someone else, all right.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, guys, that is it from us today.