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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me Lolaberry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lolaberry, Hello

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Speaker 1: and Happy Monday. Today's guest, Kim Courageous, is the artistic

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Speaker 1: director of sixteenth Street Actors Studio in Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: So that's where I did my acting training.

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Speaker 1: And in this episode you will hear Kim's passion not

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Speaker 1: only for people to kind of like hone and work

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Speaker 1: on their acting craft, but Kim is all about human

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Speaker 1: connection and passion.

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Speaker 2: She rubs shoulders with the greats.

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Speaker 1: I remember in the time that I studied there, she

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Speaker 1: bought Russell brand In to come and teach.

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Speaker 2: We learned from Cody Fern.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Ian Sinclair is head of acting. It's such

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Speaker 1: an amazing melting pot of all things phenomenal, not just

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Speaker 1: for acting, but for I just think human experience. I

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Speaker 1: think you'll hear Kim's passion just jump out at you

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Speaker 1: from this podcast.

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Speaker 2: I really hope you enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: PS got to give them a shout out because sixteenth

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Speaker 1: Threet is currently taking enrollments for the part time course.

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Speaker 2: So that's the.

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Speaker 1: Exact same course that I did. I'm going to pop

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Speaker 1: a link in the show notes for you, big love, Kim,

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Speaker 1: I miss I missed sixteenth Street so much. Is such

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Speaker 1: a wonderful place for actors and I think any human.

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Speaker 2: Kim courageous.

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Speaker 1: This is a total on it and I feel like

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Speaker 1: you and I have been talking about this for such

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Speaker 1: a long time the pod.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so.

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Speaker 3: You are, I.

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Speaker 2: Would say you are an actor, teacher.

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Speaker 1: You are the creative art director of sixteen s three

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: I'm a founder and the official title is artistic director.

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Speaker 4: I love it, and I would actually say I'm not

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Speaker 4: an actor. I was once an actor, but no longer.

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Speaker 4: So it's interesting that you actually said that. Why did

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Speaker 1: Because when I researched you, and when on YouTube I

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Speaker 1: was watching a trailer to mouth to Mouth of mouth

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Speaker 1: to mouth, I say, and were you nineteen years in that?

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Speaker 4: I was nineteen years old when I did that, and

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Speaker 4: that was a film that had It was an incredible

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Speaker 4: the Australian film industry was doing a lot of period pieces.

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Speaker 4: street kids. Yeah, and I played one of them. And

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Speaker 4: that film really gave me a lot of opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Can I say, stunner.

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Speaker 4: Oh you totally yeah. But isn't that the tragedy when

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Speaker 4: you're young? My mother used to say that to me,

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Speaker 4: Enjoy your young legs while you have them. And it's

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Speaker 4: And of course at the time, you don't see yourself

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Speaker 2: But totally okay.

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Speaker 1: You've been so much fun to research, and I get

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Speaker 4: I was very blessed. It was a very different time.

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Speaker 3: So I became a teacher.

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Speaker 1: Is it true that you didn't interview it like probably

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Speaker 4: Well it was funny when my mother passed away for

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Speaker 1: And you're the queen of manifesting amazing things, so I

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Speaker 3: Well, I've been very blessed.

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Speaker 4: I've never been afraid to think big and dream big.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so excited to actually want to talk to

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Speaker 1: You've got different forms of techniques and different ways to

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Speaker 1: I'm getting such fomo not being at sixteenth although we

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Speaker 1: Your wonderful friend Debrale Finesse said this about you, and

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Speaker 1: Kim is relentless in her pursuit of bringing the best

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Speaker 1: What you've offered here, because we were doing meditation classes

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Speaker 4: And we were talking I think I've always wanted to

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Speaker 3: As you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love this.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm the should be taking notes, but

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Speaker 4: Do you look at little babies you can't go. They're

444
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 4: the babies that are going to become the actors, and

445
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 4: they're the babies who are going to become the plumbers.

446
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 3: They're all sensitive, but.

447
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 4: I think that just actors, perhaps the sensitivity is more

448
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 4: to the surface of the skin.

449
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, hard on the sleeve, I think so. So, like

450
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: I was saying, you can do all these you know,

451
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 1: you get a call or you get an email at

452
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: three pm in the afternoon and they're like, all right,

453
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: here's the script, deliver it by ten am tomorrow morning.

454
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: So that's where that beautiful discipline comes into play, and

455
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 1: nothing else matters. You wipe the rest of your day

456
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 1: and you're learning those lines and then you know, you

457
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 1: send it off at ten am the next day and

458
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 1: you hear nothing. If you don't get it, you will

459
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 1: literally hear nothing. And that's the actor's life for sometimes

460
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: years or like months on What advice would you give

461
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 1: to someone that is facing that rejection, because I imagine

462
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 1: like a lot of my friends, because I've got friends

463
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 1: at work in America, a lot of them have come

464
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: back to Australia, Yes, for opportunity, but also they're like this,

465
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: they've given up as well beforehand pre covid and I

466
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 1: think that rejection can sometimes get a little bit confronting.

467
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 4: You know. The first thing I'm going to say, just

468
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 4: in case is anybody listening from the other's side, which

469
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 4: might be from the producing side.

470
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 3: I think it's.

471
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 4: Discourteous when people don't touch base with an actor.

472
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: It's just fundamentally discourteous.

473
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 4: Now, I'm being very, very opinionated when I say this,

474
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 4: and I'm being forthright in this. It doesn't take much

475
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 4: to just send an email thank you for your tape.

476
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 4: Unfortunately you're unsuccessful this time around. Now, I know that

477
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 4: actors might like to hear more than that, but I

478
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 4: truly think that is a habit. We all need to

479
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 4: come together in ways that are mutually beneficial and in

480
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 4: ways that respect each other more. So, that's the first

481
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 4: thing I'm going to say in case any produces listeners now,

482
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 4: just in case they don't shift and change, Actors still

483
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 4: have to deal with something when you go in to

484
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 4: do the self tape or you go in to put

485
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 4: something down, your attitude when you go in to do it,

486
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 4: and elquinos silimidos, who is one of the founding members

487
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,719
Speaker 4: of sixteen Street Actors Studio. He's a really excellent film director.

488
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 4: In fact, he's in the next studio working with the

489
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 4: part time as currently. He said, see every opportunity that

490
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 4: you get, whether it's an audition, a self tape, the

491
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 4: job itself, to go for these ten minutes, for this hour,

492
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 4: for this day, I get to show up and practice

493
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 4: my craft and be an actor. So see if that

494
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 4: ways opposed to will this get me the job?

495
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 3: Let that one.

496
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 4: Go, because whether you get the job or not is

497
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 4: so contingent upon so many factors that you literally have

498
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 4: no control. You have no control over whether or not

499
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 4: you look like the leading lady, whether you look like

500
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 4: the leading man, whether or not the director thinks you

501
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 4: remind him of a school friend. He went, you have

502
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 4: no control over anything too young, too old, small, too.

503
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: Tall, to whatever.

504
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 4: But what you do have control over is I will

505
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 4: make this an opportunity to get better at my craft,

506
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 4: that I will do so, I think, then getting very

507
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 4: reflective about how you showed up, use the opportunity as

508
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 4: well to show that piece of work that you've done

509
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 4: or your test to somebody you trust.

510
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 3: If you've got a good agent.

511
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 4: Show it to the agent, get them to give you feedback,

512
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 4: because there will also be other reasons maybe why you're

513
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 4: not getting the job, and it could be in your work,

514
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 4: it could be in your craft, So you want to

515
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 4: separate the two. No, there's so much out of your control,

516
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 4: but there is stuff within your control. So maybe you

517
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 4: keep making choices where the characters are victim, and those

518
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 4: victim choices they're not very appealing choices to make, and

519
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 4: a lot of actors go in to make victim like choices,

520
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 4: whereas you know, you want to make choices where the

521
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 4: human being is up against all the odds and is

522
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 4: going to make empowering choices because when you want something,

523
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 4: you don't live in the problem. You do stuff to

524
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 4: actually be able to get what it is you want.

525
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 4: And to be honest, when we go to the cinema

526
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 4: or the theater, we don't want to see a whole

527
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 4: little lemons on the stage or on the screen, but

528
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 4: are reflecting back at us exactly how stuck we are.

529
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 4: We want to see people come up with ways of

530
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 4: doing things that give us hope that maybe we can

531
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 4: do the same. So it might be in the choices

532
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 4: you're making it might be because you've got some honestly

533
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 4: truly stuff like just facial ticks. Yeah, that are really

534
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 4: unappealing to watch on screen, a lot of tension in

535
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 4: your face, and people can't watch that. So there are

536
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 4: so many reasons and you want to start to discern.

537
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 4: So I would suggest to get a good acting coach,

538
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 4: someone you trust or is someone who is you know,

539
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 4: got some skill in this area, like a mentor who

540
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 4: can go, who can be just keep tracking your work

541
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 4: for you. So if you don't get feed, you get

542
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 4: it from somewhere that's going to be beneficial. So you

543
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 4: keep working at your craft and then recognize that there

544
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 4: are things out of your control, just out of your control.

545
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's like a muscle that you

546
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: kind of like every time I do a self tape,

547
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, I'm just getting fitter at self taping.

548
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the way I look at it. But you

549
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 4: want to make sure. I just want to say this,

550
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 4: it's really interesting. There is some people who.

551
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: Are just they can bounce back.

552
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 4: That resilience is terrific, but you want to make sure

553
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 4: when you're bouncing back, you're also bringing alongside, if you

554
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 4: some insight into the situation. So you're developing both these muscles,

555
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 4: not just like teflon, not growing and learning so that

556
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 4: you're building the right muscle. It's like going to a gym, right,

557
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 4: you can keep doing something, but you're not doing it well.

558
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally right.

559
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 4: So you've got to know I'm in the ballpark, I'm

560
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 4: getting better in this area.

561
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 3: And each of.

562
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 4: These tests are giving me the opportunity. The self test

563
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 4: that you do for a lot of people, they won't

564
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 4: know what a self test is. Basically, you get a

565
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 4: jaw possibility to audition for someone. And in this world

566
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 4: that we're living in, they say, okay, record yourself on camera,

567
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 4: then send it into us. And what happens a lot

568
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 4: of people who are just new to the profession may

569
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 4: not know, or people that aren't a part of this.

570
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 3: It's this rugged.

571
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 4: You got people who look and within thirty seconds they

572
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 4: either like what they see or they don't. And if

573
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 4: they don't, goodbye, Yeah, they fast forward you or they

574
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 4: go no. So there are so many things that actors

575
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 4: who spend that whole day, they give up their lives

576
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 4: for twenty four hours to put this down, and what

577
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 4: they don't know is that sometimes those people are looking

578
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 4: twenty five seconds and they're offered. So it's knowing how

579
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 4: do I absolutely get someone's attention immediately. And there are

580
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 4: absolute techniques to testing well. There are techniques to testing well.

581
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 4: So it's just like kind of you know, if you're

582
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 4: a runner and you kind.

583
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: Of just you know, the gun goes off, there are.

584
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 4: Techniques how you take that first you know, moment off

585
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: the blocks.

586
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: So these are things we need to leave, even little

587
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: things like I did an audition last week on American accent,

588
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: and so I with my agents like do you slate

589
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: on accent as well?

590
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: So your slate's where you.

591
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: Say your name, your age and whatnot. So there's no

592
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: because they were casting for an American TV show. Don't

593
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: give them a chance to find the fault in your

594
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: dial you know, little hacks almost, you know, little magic tricks.

595
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

596
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, Nicole Kidman now speaks with her

597
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 4: own accent. It's a little colored now by having lived

598
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 4: in the United States for a long time, but when

599
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 4: she went to the United States, she never broke accent.

600
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 2: Yeah.

601
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: Well, Cody said, I asked him about dialect stuff in

602
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: our course, and he said, if I need to be

603
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: on accent, and my call time is eight am.

604
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: I'll get up at five am.

605
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: I'll vocally warm up on accent and I will stay

606
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: on accent for the entire issue.

607
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 4: And we've just spoken about Courdy Fern, but some people

608
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 4: may not know Cody Fern Tddy Fern is a young

609
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 4: Australian actor. I first met him when he was really

610
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 4: really young, and he worked with Academy Award winning Ellen Burston,

611
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 4: who we brought to Australia. And there was just something

612
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 4: in this young guy.

613
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 3: I knew.

614
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 4: It's something that you can't deny. It wasn't just a

615
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 4: talent and a wonderful charisma. There was a drive. It's

616
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 4: a drive. It's just when you see that kind of drive,

617
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 4: you know it and you need to have that drive.

618
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 4: It's something that you are burning to do and you

619
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 4: want to get very good at it. And Cody then

620
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 4: worked alongside Ryan Murphy.

621
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: In the Assassination of Gianni.

622
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 4: Besides Horror, Please Watch is InCred wonderful And for an

623
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 4: Australian actor or any actor to work alongside Jessica Langs,

624
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 4: Therapaulse and Kathy Bates, I mean that's you know, that's

625
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 4: not kind of like you know, Chop Liver.

626
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: Here, it's working with great game.

627
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 4: And you know, I can testified to Tony Courdie doing

628
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 4: that because I rang him the other day and it

629
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 4: was seven o'clock LA time or whatever time it was,

630
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 4: I can't remember, and he was totally an accent. He said,

631
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 4: I've got a test later today, which he ended up getting.

632
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 4: He's going to be acting, I don't think is confidential.

633
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 4: Oh he's acting opposite Mark Wahlberg in a film I've

634
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 4: got goosebast.

635
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: I've actually got here because I think I've told you

636
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: a few times. There's a few teachers that have really

637
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: kind of it sounds dramatic to say, change my life.

638
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: But obviously in Sinclair, who's been on this podcast before

639
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: and one of the he's.

640
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 3: The head for the Stray of Acting at sixteen.

641
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and in just a beautiful way of nurturing actors.

642
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: There's something so I.

643
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: Agree with you.

644
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 4: You know, I think about what Ian does and it's

645
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 4: something very expansive. He's connected to a whole lot of

646
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 4: disciplines outside of acting, and great actors are. They're voracious readers,

647
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 4: they research, they would never ever bring a character to

648
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 4: life and.

649
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: Just keep that character out of context.

650
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 4: They root them in a time, time and a place

651
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 4: in socioeconomic understanding. What was the music that was being

652
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 4: played at the time. You know, people like those actors

653
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 4: that you love, that's the work they do. And Ian,

654
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 4: I think as as just Cody inspires people.

655
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I recently worked on Ian. Oh you saw

656
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: Tennessee Williams cut on a hot tin roof. That was

657
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: my last night for I fly out And I walked

658
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: up to him alf and I said, Oh my goodness,

659
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: I said, I understand.

660
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: The love that this brings now.

661
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: I said, I've never felt my veins feel like they've

662
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: got electricity running through them.

663
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: Wow, that's the only like, that's the first time. And

664
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: because I.

665
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: Said, I get this thing now that is acting as

666
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: far as like Howard, it awakens something within your heart

667
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: that is much bigger than you.

668
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: I love that.

669
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: Oh I was.

670
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: I drove home like in tears because I was just

671
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 1: so moved by the whole experience and just being really

672
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: open to Ian as well, like it was one of

673
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: my favorite experiences. And yeah, I can't wait to cross

674
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: his path again. But the same goes with Cody being

675
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: his student, even though we were all online for that.

676
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: I made a little list of some of the things

677
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: he taught me because they're my mant I read them

678
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: anytime before. Get ready, connect to your body, be over prepared,

679
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: get control of your breath, don't be afraid of your power.

680
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: Do the work.

681
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: Ninety nine percent of people don't do the work. And

682
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: if you don't do the work, figure.

683
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: Out why you're not.

684
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 3: That's really good.

685
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: Abandon the ordinary, be.

686
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: Fully prepared to go all the way. You need to

687
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: look after yourself. That's your job. And he was referring

688
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: to psychologically there he's really passionate about.

689
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: And then he's written.

690
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: He talked a lot about American dialect because you were

691
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: doing American scenes in that and we were as well,

692
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: and he said, be en voy watch American TV, listen

693
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: to American podcast. Make it a priority. Because he called

694
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: us out and our first class was like, guys, you're

695
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: being a bit lazy. You're not on accent. And I

696
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: remember I emailed you straight off that class and I said,

697
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: can we learn Southern accents? And straight away you organize

698
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: a Southern accent class for us, and I just I

699
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: there were a few.

700
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: There was a real gang of.

701
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: Us that were so inspired by Cody that we started

702
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 1: up like a play reading. Yeah, there was a small

703
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: little group of us. And I still play read with Stella.

704
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: I think that's and so everything she's been putting up

705
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: with you guys, we read together and I put on

706
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: like the most random accents because you guys have been

707
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: doing English plays.

708
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: I'm quite sure. I'm like, I'm so sorry.

709
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: I haven't let this dialect, but I've given a crack

710
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: and it's been so much fun to because I love

711
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: script analysis. So and that's one thing I learned as

712
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 1: well from Ian who's like, do you six reads?

713
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 2: Do you google read?

714
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: And when when I say google read, like understand what

715
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: music was playing, where was it? Look at Google maps

716
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: of that southern plantation, you know, understand the play.

717
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 4: In other words, a writer is writing at a particular time.

718
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: In a particular context.

719
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 4: And if we take those things out and we don't

720
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 4: investigate those we are not rooting a character in full circumstance.

721
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 4: We're just not at the moment with what's happening in

722
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 4: our world and down the track when people look back

723
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 4: at this time where we went through a world pandemic

724
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 4: that has informed human beings in ways that are considerable,

725
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 4: and if that is not explored, then you can't say

726
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 4: I have really done the work to bring a human

727
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: being to life because you've literally not explored or investigated

728
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: what that might mean to that human being in life.

729
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: Not to sound like a negative Nancy, but I've been

730
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: reading alongside other actors because I'm in a different state.

731
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: And I remember I walked into this taping and the

732
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: teacher said I had a lot of notes, a lot

733
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: of script analysis. I'd gone through my five points of story,

734
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: which is a technique Ian teachers, but I've gone through

735
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: so much stuff that I'd learned through our chubby classes,

736
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: and so many different techniques that I've just learned across

737
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: along the way. But my script was highlighted colored, and

738
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, beats actions. If anyone listening, you really do,

739
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: really understand every single word that your character is saying.

740
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: We really should.

741
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: And the other acter I was oppos had no notes

742
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: and I just wrote learn.

743
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 2: Which is fine.

744
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 1: And the teacher came to me, he goes, who script

745
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: is this? And I was like mine, and he goes,

746
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: I love it. That's the acting school notes right there,

747
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: and he goes, can I have a peak? And so

748
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: for me like I couldn't walk into an audition or

749
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: a self tape not having done that. I think it's

750
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: also be doing a disservice to not only the character,

751
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: but the writer.

752
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 3: And yourself fundamentally.

753
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: And also, like we talk about it, it's about human connection.

754
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: I know that's one of your passions.

755
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: And I just think, how lucky, like what privileged to

756
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: be able to dive into this human's world.

757
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: Write the writers, there the characters.

758
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: And honor the human heart of that character. So give

759
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: it your all, mate, because you know it's a privileged

760
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: to be doing it. And I just think that's what

761
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: gets because and this is my other question I wanted

762
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: to ask you, like, I'm thirty five, I'm coming into

763
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: this industry very late in the game.

764
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: You know you were a star at nineteen.

765
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: Well they had a unity at younger young guys, weren't

766
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: you like seventeen seventeen?

767
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: And I just think what would your advice?

768
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: And I remember in when you got deb to come

769
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: and speak to us, someone asked the same question, said

770
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: what is am I too old?

771
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: And she goes, oh, what a boring topic?

772
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: In the most beautiful way post of all, what would

773
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: your advice be? To someone that's like, you know, I'm

774
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: traveling to America. I'm wanting to get into the industry

775
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: at thirty five, and I'd absolutely have a fear of

776
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: being too old.

777
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: Would your advice be well?

778
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 4: Joseph Campbell, who was one of the great thinkers of

779
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: the twentieth century, he said, follow your bliss. And I

780
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 4: don't mean through an altered state. You can, that is

781
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 4: a choice, But follow your bliss if you know what

782
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 4: makes you happy, back yourself, give yourself every opportunity to

783
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: live fully and all the stuff.

784
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: Am I too old? Am I too young? Am I

785
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 3: to this? Am I to that?

786
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 4: You might be for some people, but you may not

787
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: be for others. But more importantly, you won't be for yourself.

788
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 4: You will just be you living, literally sucking the marrow

789
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 4: out of your life. Yeah, just follow your bliss and

790
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 4: the rest will take care of itself, and I believe

791
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 4: you will be divinely led.

792
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: You give me goosebumps, Kim, I'm looking at him getting

793
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: a little teary eyed. Right now, we're almost at the end,

794
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: but I have to ask you this question, what does

795
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: it take to become a great actor? I know you've

796
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: covered so many elements of that in this chap. But

797
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: if you could sum it.

798
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 4: Up, a deep desire first of all, And a lot

799
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 4: of people say they want to be an actor, but

800
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 4: they fold like a pack of cards after the slightest

801
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 4: bit of failure or the slightest bit of rejection, or

802
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 4: when they don't get validated. That kind of adity probably

803
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 4: ain't going to help you towards greatness, but to be

804
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 4: honest in anything in life. So if you have that

805
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 4: going on, really face that.

806
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 3: And I would say therapy for that.

807
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 4: You know what, There is so many pathways, but find

808
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 4: one and address it now. I like what Susan Sarandon said.

809
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 4: She said, if you're going to have a breakdown, have

810
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 4: it young, do it sooner than.

811
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 3: Later, totally totally later.

812
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 4: Why keep living a half life? It only gets harder

813
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 4: the older you get, and you've only got less years

814
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 4: now ahead of you, So start now, face yourself. That's

815
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 4: the first thing I would say. So the desire has

816
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 4: to be very strong, that's the first thing. Don't listen

817
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 4: to naysayers. Surround yourself with people who think big, dream big.

818
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 4: Don't like I had a friend once who said, you know,

819
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 4: if you've got real relationship troubles. You don't go to

820
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 4: someone for advice who can't do relationships. Well, you wouldn't

821
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 4: do that with tennis, so why would you with acting?

822
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 4: Go to the best, seek out the best, seek out

823
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 4: people who have qualities that you aspire to. Listen to

824
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 4: those people. If you need validation from others, we all do,

825
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 4: we're human. You need to lessen that. So if you

826
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 4: look outside of yourself for validation, for approval, check it out.

827
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 4: Because the degree that you do that, the degree to

828
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 4: which you're giving away your own power to others and

829
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 4: living a disempowered life ain't fun. So that's something else

830
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 4: say would suggest you've got to do the.

831
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: Work on that. Read voraciously.

832
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 4: Don't look at other actors how they play characters. Go

833
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 4: into coffee shops and sit with your cup of lemon

834
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 4: tea and observe. Look at human behavior. Get deeply curious

835
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 4: about your own about the connection between what you feel

836
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 4: and what you do, not just what you feel, but

837
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 4: what that feeling makes you do behaviorally.

838
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 3: Get really curious.

839
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 4: Go to museums, go to art galleries, sit in beautiful

840
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 4: parks and reflect and practice practice, practice, practice in class.

841
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 4: When you get the job between jobs and keep being curious,

842
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 4: develop love in your heart, compassion in your soul, and

843
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 4: live a well balanced life.

844
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: You're amazing If I'm amazing, Yeah, but I get things

845
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: that I think.

846
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 3: It's a well balanced life.

847
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 4: And whether or not you end up on a red

848
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 4: carpet or having a small independent theater company, you got

849
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 4: a shot at living a life that could have satisfaction.

850
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: Melbournians listening to this because the highest audience are Melburnians.

851
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: Of this pod, definitely check out sixteenth Street. Yes, there's

852
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: intake for the part time course. Now there's also a

853
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: full time course. You've got two going at the moment.

854
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: But you do workshops, you bring in guest speakers, we do.

855
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 2: I got in.

856
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 4: One of the things that sixteenth Street has been known

857
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 4: for are bringing fantastic overseas artists to Australia and exposing

858
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 4: Australian actors, emerging and experienced professionals to the world's best. Obviously,

859
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 4: we're going through a pandemic, which pandemic does so much online.

860
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 4: We did, and we're going to continue that suite of

861
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 4: programs throughout twenty twenty one, and we'll be actually taking

862
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 4: that out and letting people know what they are very

863
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 4: shortly perfect. So we've got those and we'll have a

864
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 4: face to face further learning and intensives and term classes.

865
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 4: And we're starting something which I'm really excited about. It's

866
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 4: the sixteen Street Foundation, which is our charity to provide

867
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 4: opportunities for actors through two programs, one which is our

868
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 4: Wellbeing program and our Liberal Arts program, giving actors real

869
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 4: access to the classics and skills like rhetoric and eloquence

870
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 4: about how to enter the world with a sense of

871
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 4: wisdom and courage and understanding that we come from something

872
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 4: very noble. It's a noble profession and it's got a

873
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 4: twenty five hundred year legacy behind it and we should

874
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 4: be proud of being actors. And the second one well being,

875
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 4: where teaching actors meditation, yoga, vading breath practice. I have

876
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 4: vading wisdom and exposing actors todat through our sixteen Street

877
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 4: Wellness Community Center, which is available to all actors in Victoria.

878
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: We've got to talk more about that because I don't

879
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: know if you know this, but before our Saturday morning classes,

880
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 1: I'd come in and teach yoga.

881
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 2: That's marvelous.

882
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: That's marvelous.

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Speaker 1: There you go and I think as well, coming from

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Speaker 1: my world as wellness. So if you're not looking after

885
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Speaker 1: your health spiritually, emotion only physically, you're probably not going

886
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Speaker 1: to be giving the best version of yourself in an

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Speaker 1: audition or you know, in a role. And I think

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Speaker 1: that your health and being the best that you can

889
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Speaker 1: be and being able to like really chase that bliss.

890
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Speaker 2: You've got to make your wellness priority.

891
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Speaker 4: And it's follow not chase. I'm just going to say,

892
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Speaker 4: you don't mind. But the other thing is more than anything. Listen,

893
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Speaker 4: there are a lot of actors I spoke to Cody

894
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: about this this morning, you know, who might be very

895
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 4: dysfunctional in their lives, but they can still be great. However,

896
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 4: I'm sorry on my deathbed, I don't want to go

897
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Speaker 4: out saying, Okay, I did something that may have been whatever,

898
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 4: but I was an unhappy individual. That to me, is

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Speaker 4: not a life well lived. I don't think one has

900
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Speaker 4: to come at the cost of others. And when you're

901
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 4: an actor, there are high levels of rejection that ain't easy.

902
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 4: When you're an actor, you have to go to places

903
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 4: that most people wouldn't be remotely interested next morning, truly,

904
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry you're a murderer.

905
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Speaker 3: You're a murderers.

906
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 4: Your husband's just left you, your wife is being unfaithful.

907
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 4: Who wants to actually delve into those areas in life?

908
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 4: Nobody in their right mind would, except actors. So in

909
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 4: order to be able to do that, I think you do.

910
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 4: You've got to have a balance in yourself.

911
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: Speaking of the murderers, when I heard Cody do an

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Speaker 1: interview where he talked about playing Michael Langdon the Antichrist,

913
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Speaker 1: and he said, I couldn't dive in to just play

914
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: the evil characters, that I had to find the human

915
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: heart of the parent.

916
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Speaker 4: We all have to.

917
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Speaker 3: It's the humanity.

918
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think you know, if you look at that,

919
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Speaker 4: I think Silence of the Lambs is a very very

920
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 4: good example that relationship. Anthony Hopkins sought to build a relationship.

921
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Speaker 2: With what was foster was the was the name of

922
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 2: the actress?

923
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 3: Clarissa?

924
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: Yes, Clarissa, Clarissa? Well done?

925
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Speaker 1: And is it true Anthony Hopkins reads his scripts two

926
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Speaker 1: hundred times?

927
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Speaker 4: He says that two hundred times. He says, I do

928
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Speaker 4: nothing but read them two hundred times. And in fact,

929
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Speaker 4: I went to a drama school and Anthony Hopkins was

930
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 4: trained by one of the principles of the Drama School.

931
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Speaker 4: I went to Yeat Mulgram, which is actually one of

932
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Speaker 4: the online workshops we're doing somebody who's a real master

933
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 4: in that work, which is about character transformation. But Anthony

934
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Speaker 4: Hopkins also said something fantastic. He said playing Hannibal Lecter

935
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Speaker 4: gave him freedom from having.

936
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Speaker 3: To always be so nice.

937
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 4: It gave him freedom from having to just the freedom

938
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Speaker 4: from needing to be liked. And that doesn't mean when

939
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 4: that lessons you become a jerk. What it means is

940
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 4: you become more authentic and so stead instead of nice,

941
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 4: perhaps what you become is courteous or some kind of

942
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 4: deeper level of those qualities that we admire in human

943
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 4: beings as opposed to some middle middle class idea of

944
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 4: being nice.

945
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Speaker 1: Do you know in Hannibal Lecter, he chose not to blink.

946
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Speaker 1: That was a character choice he made. And I was like,

947
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: and this is the thing, people listening, That's how far

948
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Speaker 1: actors will like.

949
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Speaker 2: They will go.

950
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: Down to every and one thing that I learned coming here,

951
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: like the shoes that you choose to wear as that character.

952
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: Ye you know, even Maggie had on a hot tin roof.

953
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: I knew what dress I was wearing. I knew what

954
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: Bama was putting on because I knew they would make

955
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: me feel a certain way.

956
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Speaker 4: Well, I'd ask you now, if somebody was going to

957
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 4: play you and chose to dress you in lycrop and

958
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 4: a boob tube, Yeah, do you think they would be

959
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 4: anywhere near you?

960
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: No? No, exactly.

961
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 4: So it's that it's actually the attention to detail, to honor,

962
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Speaker 4: as Meryl Streep says, the willingness to honor a character

963
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 4: as much as I am willing to honor my own life.

964
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Speaker 2: Perfect Kim, grageous.

965
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Speaker 1: You are wonderful, my friend, and I cannot wait until

966
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Speaker 1: our paths cross again, and I know it'll be soon.

967
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: Me as well.

968
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Speaker 4: Laura, and I wish you the very very best in

969
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 4: your future endeavors and keep doing what you're doing, shining

970
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 4: lights where you shine it and being of benefit in

971
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 4: the way. You are.

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Speaker 3: So much love to you, my darling, and it's been

973
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 3: a pleasure.

974
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Speaker 2: Much love.

975
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Speaker 1: Kim's rap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

976
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: Thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

977
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Speaker 1: on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: I'm at Yamo Lollaberry.

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