1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken, the podcast it's not afraid to say 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment and issues facing women. 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: That is so fetch Thank you, welcome to another episode 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: of Outspoken. Today it's just Amy and Sophie on the show, 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: but we're so excited to be joined by journalists and 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: hosts of the So Dramatic podcast, Meghan Pistetto. Megan's podcast 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: saw to number one in the Australian podcast charts and 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: she's quickly becoming Australia's go to journo for reality TV goss. 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: On today's episode, we delve into all the drama that's 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: unfolded on the So Dramatic podcast, discuss what it takes 14 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: to work in the media, and get Megan's take on 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: some of the biggest influencer news of the week. So 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. And firstly we wanted to touch 17 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: on the fact just how small the Australian media is. 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: So you and I actually we've never met, but we 19 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: used to work at the Australian Radio Network together but 20 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: in different offices. So you were at Carl and Jachio. 21 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: I was at Jody and Soda. No one probably knows 22 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: who Jody and Soda are, but they're the adelaide Carl 23 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: and Jachio. What was it like working for Australia's biggest 24 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: radio show? 25 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: So funny, I know what We used to pop up 26 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: on the emails like I did. Never put two and 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: two together. It was so wild. I loved it there. 28 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: I actually loved it. The only bad one was obviously 29 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: the five o'clock five am start, but aside from that, 30 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 2: it was insane. It's so like you would know working 31 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 2: in live radio. It's such a fast moving beast. Every 32 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: day it's like go, go go, There's no time to 33 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: even breathe. 34 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: It's wild. 35 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: But it was so exciting because you each day you 36 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: know you're meeting all of these massive stands that we've 37 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 2: come into the office. Even just working alongside Carl and Jackie, 38 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: it's pretty cool. Yeah, I loved it. It was such 39 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: a good team there as well. Everyone was super like 40 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 2: on the same page and super fun. 41 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 3: It was a very. 42 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: Wild workplace, like every day you didn't know what you're 43 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: going to expect. 44 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 3: There was Kyle throwing cakes and yeah it was fun. 45 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: That's so cool. I mean, aside from Carl and JACKIEO. 46 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: You also have freelance for some huge publications Murray Claire, 47 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: New Idea, Women's Day, the Daily Mail, just to name 48 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: a few. Can you explain to people what is the 49 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: lifestyle of a freelance writer. 50 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 3: So I haven't always done freelance. 51 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: I've done other things before then where I was working 52 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 2: full time at a different a number of different organizations. 53 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: I prefer freelance just for the flexibility with the hours 54 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: and everything. 55 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 3: I'm just not another divide possible. 56 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: I just get so burned out and yeah, I just 57 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: we'd rather have the flexibility the lifestyle. It's good, but 58 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: it's also I feel like you do end up working 59 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: more because you kind of can't switch off when you 60 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: work for yourself, and you've got to be across everything 61 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: all the time and you're constantly pitching things. So it 62 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: is more flexible, but I wouldn't say it's like working 63 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: less or easier. 64 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we can definitely relate to that. 65 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: We don't do freelance work. At the moment, we've got 66 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: our own business, and I feel like people have a 67 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: connotation that if you're working for yourself, you're not necessarily 68 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: putting in that nine to five hours, but you're actually 69 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: the truth is you're putting in more. 70 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: If anything, people think I'm like at the beach every 71 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: day or like either beats the beach in like four 72 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: years seriously, and I live down the road from it. 73 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: So it's definitely not the lifestyle of like leisure. 74 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: But I do like the flexibilit around you, like working 75 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: my own hours and being able to kind. 76 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: Of dictate when I work and how I work. That's 77 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 3: what I like about it. 78 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And so many magazines, I suppose these days 79 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: and in the past, are guilty of using phrases like 80 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: a source told us, and sometimes that source is made up? 81 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: How often does this happen? Like, yeah, is that actually true? 82 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: Because you watch movies and it's like so bloyant, you know, 83 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you know, Jennifer Addison's pregnant and again 84 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: and she would have had like twelve kids by now. 85 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: I think my favorite one was that Kate Middleton. It 86 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: was either Kate Middleton was having triplets or twins. It's like, 87 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: oh my god, that's so ridiculous. 88 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: She's having them like every six months. Where are these 89 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: children going? 90 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: My favorite is when they put Chris Brown with a 91 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: new celebrity, a new female celebrity, every couple of months 92 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 2: or every couple of weeks. 93 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: Even it's like Kate Richie. One minute of them, it's Jackie. 94 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 2: Oh and yeah, it's pretty crazy. But I actually, having 95 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: worked in magazines, it's I was surprised. I went in 96 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 2: there thinking, Okay, all of this is just completely made up. 97 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: It's actually not. It's probably a majority of it is 98 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: actually true. 99 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 2: I don't know what percentage. But when I say true, 100 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 2: I mean, how do I explain this? 101 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,679 Speaker 1: So it's from a good or it's from a good source, 102 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: but you probably can't. 103 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: Actually it's actually made up, it's from a source. So 104 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 3: then it's kind of like some sources are more reliable 105 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: than other. 106 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 2: Someone might have heard something direct from that person and 107 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 2: then told us, or it might have gone through a 108 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: few hands, a few ears like these business before it's 109 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 2: gotten to us, and then sometimes maybe the truth element 110 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: is has been watered down in that sense, and you 111 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: can't ever really know when. 112 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 3: You get information from a source. 113 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 2: You do have some sources that you go to all 114 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: the time that you can after a period of time 115 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: be like, Okay, they're legit, they're very reliable. 116 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 3: All that stuff has come true. It's always been you know, 117 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 3: backed up and stuff like that. 118 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: But if you get like a new source that comes 119 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: with this big story and it's you know, you want 120 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 2: to run it. 121 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: It's sometimes you don't know how accurate it is. 122 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: You can do your due diligence, I guess and do 123 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: the checks and everything to make sure it checks out. 124 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 2: But there will be times I guess when maybe something 125 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: has been watered down or it's not completely true. There's 126 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 2: an element of truth to it. 127 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Does that kind of explain well? 128 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: I mean magazines that the entertainment, aren't they as well 129 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: that you kind of you know what you're getting when 130 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: you're reading some of those gossips. But it's even like 131 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: mainstream news like Amy and I have worked at seven 132 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: and some of the headlines that would come out, you know, 133 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: the headline is just trying to capture the audience there. 134 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily the full story. 135 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't think I think people think people 136 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: are just sitting around at these outlets and making up stuff. 137 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: It's not like that at all. People come to us 138 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: with stories. You find out things through different types of avenues, 139 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: and you do take that one element of whatever the most. 140 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: I guessed, especially in entertainment, the most sensationalized part of 141 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: that story is or the most exciting part, and you 142 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: kind of focus on that. So I think that's as well, 143 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 2: where things can kind of get taken out of context 144 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: and made to look like, oh, how believable is this 145 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: because you kind of not exaggerate, but you want to 146 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: really focus on that exciting element because you want people 147 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: to read the story. If you focus on the most 148 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: boring part of the story, no one's going to even 149 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: bother listening to the reading the whole thing. 150 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, I mean talking about interesting. You've launched the 151 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: So Dramatic podcast and we are obsessed with it. I'd 152 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: love to hear how it I'd love to hear how 153 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: it all came about. 154 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 3: Do you know what? It's so funny. 155 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 2: It was a total accident, Like so I was freelancing 156 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: and then with COVID and everything that happened. I a 157 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 2: lot of the outlets cut their budgets where they completely 158 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: scrap freelancers because there were obviously they couldn't really even 159 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: afford to keep their main stuff, and there was a 160 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: lot of places shutting down or making people redundant, so 161 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: they definitely didn't have the budget for freelance that they 162 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: had before that. So I essentially had all of these 163 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,119 Speaker 2: stories that I was sitting on, still had these stories, 164 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: and I was like, it's such a waste not to 165 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: do anything with them, and I'm still going to have 166 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: stuff coming to me, and it's like I didn't want 167 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: to put it to waste, basically, So I was like, 168 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: maybe I'll do a podcast, And I thought it's such 169 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: a good growing medium that I think is going to 170 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: really even grow even more in the next few years. 171 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: So I thought, maybe I'll just give it a shot, 172 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: see how it goes. Hopefully I'll get like a couple 173 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: of listeners next minute. Yeah, blow enough overnight ge bit crazy. 174 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: It is crazy. I mean, was that daunting for you though, 175 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: putting it out under your own name, because obviously you 176 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: had your byline for different stories, but you had that 177 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: security of it being you know, like a different organization, Yeah, 178 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,239 Speaker 1: like the Daily Mail or a new idea or whatever 179 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: you're but it was just you. Was that quite a 180 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: daunting feeling? 181 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it is easy when you are hiding behind 182 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: an outlet, even if your name's on the byline, you've 183 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: still got that protection of it's you know, newsop COMDDA you, 184 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: or it's daily mail, it's you're under that umbrella. But 185 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: when it's yourself putting it out there, you really are 186 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: putting yourself up for even more scrutiny. They can't they can't, 187 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: don't have anyone else to attack, They'll come straight to you. 188 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: And I think as well with the podcast, because it 189 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: is so I've kind of made it such a personable 190 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: environment where I do interact quite a lot with the 191 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: listeners and the audience that people do feel like they 192 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: can just inbox me and attack me, or inbox me 193 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: and say something really nice as well, so which I love. 194 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: I love that it's so personal and it's taking out 195 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: that level of you know what I mean, it's like 196 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 2: really approachable. 197 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: So that's that's good. 198 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: It's good and bad as well, because I love interacting 199 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 2: with the listeners directly, But I also think that people 200 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: just come to you and attack you, and it's like 201 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: why are you doing this story? You're attacking this person 202 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: and it's like Daily Mail, Austrian have all run the 203 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 2: same story. 204 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 3: Are you also attacking that outlet? 205 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: Like yeah, so that's the downside of it being personal 206 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: and stuff. People do feel like they can just come 207 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: to you and I completely attack you. They feel like 208 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 2: they know you. So it's good, it's good, and it's bad. 209 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: I guess we're talking about people attacking you. I suppose 210 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: you've also had some sort of jaded Bachelor contestants come out, because, 211 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: for example, you spilled massive tea about the fact that 212 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: Matt was allegedly cheating on Renee during your Bachelor in 213 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: Paradise Reunion with Renee and Kiki episode, and then he 214 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: obviously came out and was like slamming you on his Instagram. 215 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 1: How is it dealing with that backlash from those reality 216 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: contestants that obviously have a big following. 217 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: I have a really fixed skin, so not much. It 218 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: takes a lot to upset me and phase me. I've 219 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: kind of been dealing with it for the like since 220 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: I started my career. 221 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: Well, I started Daily Mail. 222 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: I stawed before Daily Mail, but I started doing entertainment 223 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: at Daily Mail and I kind of copped it really 224 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: bad there. Fans would be because you were writing about 225 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: really big fans, so they would have these massive fan 226 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: armies that would come for you. So I did develop 227 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: a thick skin working there. So it does take a 228 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: lot to offend me. But in that instance, it was 229 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: a bit different because Renee kind of backtracked on what 230 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: she'd said on the podcast and defended him publicly, and 231 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: that was because. 232 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 3: He basically went to her and she felt bad about. 233 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: The fact that she'd done the interview and I think 234 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 2: there was a few things going on there with him, 235 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 2: and she felt bad and I guess wanted to just 236 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: kind of help him, and she felt a bit guilty 237 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 2: but maybe speaking honestly about him. 238 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 3: So then it kind of just all snowboard because the girl. 239 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 2: That then had come out in defense of Renee then 240 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: kind of looked like a liar, and then I kind 241 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 2: of stepped in to be like, no, this is what happened. 242 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: She wasn't lying, it's the truth. So then that kind 243 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: of snowboard, and he then was attacking me. And I 244 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: still stand by everything that was said on that podcast 245 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: and everything that I published, I know is one hundred 246 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: percent the truth. The only reason I kind of pulled 247 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: the plug on that one and I said I'm tapping 248 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: out was because I had two podcasts episodes to plan 249 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 2: that week. I had my own personal issues going on. 250 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 2: It was I think week two of the podcast. 251 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 3: So I was still it. 252 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: All had all just happened so fast, and I said, 253 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: I literally do not have any time any more time 254 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: to invest in this. Everything has been said that needed 255 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: to be said. I'd presented all the sides. 256 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: You had the receipts. 257 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I had the receipts, and I didn't post a 258 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 3: lot of the receipts, and then I think when I 259 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: posted some of them, people wanted more. 260 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 2: And then I had every single party involved in that story, 261 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: and I think there was about five or six people 262 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: in the end sending me literally hundreds and hundreds of 263 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: screenshots each and I was just so overwhelmed that I 264 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: was like, I do not have the time or the 265 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 2: manpower to go through each and every one of these 266 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: and do a full blown investigation onto this story. I 267 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: presented the facts. I have two podcasts episodes to plan 268 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: this week. That's my first priority as well. And it 269 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: wasn't that I was just like you know, tapping out 270 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: and not presenting sides. It was more the fact of 271 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: like I had presented everything, and these people as well, 272 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 2: like they've got their own platforms where they can also 273 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: speak out about this. I can't like I'm the one 274 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: woman show. I can't physically do it all, you know 275 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: what I mean. 276 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: And it's getting quite petty, isn't it when it's like 277 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: going through different. 278 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 3: That was the other thing. 279 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 2: It was getting really nasty and really petty, and people 280 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 2: were getting, you know, genuinely upset. And I could even 281 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 2: tell that Matt was genuinely upset. And I feel like 282 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: the truth had come out. The girls have said their piece, 283 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: was there was nothing more that needed to be said. 284 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: It was kind of falling a bit. It was getting too. 285 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 3: Much, so I just kind of said, let's just agree 286 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 3: to disagree. You've said your piece, the girls have set 287 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 3: their piece, and yeah. 288 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 2: I think sometimes you've got to It is like when 289 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: Nasaga is continuing and there is new evidence coming. But 290 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: that was just getting really personal and really nasty, and 291 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 2: it was creating a really toxic environment on my page 292 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: as well, and I never want to be responsible for. 293 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: That, definitely. And now you've spoken about the fact that 294 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: you were actually friends with some of the contestants, And 295 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: I love the fact that you seem to know everyone 296 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: in the Bachelor franchise. Which contestants are you actually friends 297 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: with before they're on the show? Oh, I know we've 298 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: spoken about this, and for people who don't know, we've 299 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: spoken a little bit in our DMS with each other 300 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: about you know, you were joking that you come across 301 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: as a stalker and you don't. I just think you're 302 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 1: like a friend. I think it's cool. 303 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I was listening to your podcast when 304 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 2: I forget what it was now someone it was Renee 305 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 2: and she said, oh, she just slid into my DMS, 306 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 2: and then I think Mary' said the same, and I'm like. 307 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: Oh my god, they're making me and making me sound 308 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 3: like a big stalker. 309 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: You're just a journalist. You're not a stalker. Do you 310 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: know what? 311 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 3: Do you know? 312 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: How many of you? Do you know how many random 313 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: people's like Facebook messengers I slid into when I was 314 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: working at seven craziness and like, you feel like such 315 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: a weirdo. It is so I totally get it. 316 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: Just me. 317 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, so, which which contestants were you actually friends 318 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: with before they were on the show of this season 319 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: or like all those because I remember you saying something 320 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: about the few, because you were saying something about oh 321 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: that you talked Kieran and Renee to being on like 322 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: to being on Paradise, I was like, oh my god, 323 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: So did you know them before or through the show. 324 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 2: Or I knew them? It's hard to explain. I've got 325 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: a lot of friends around the country, which is really 326 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: handy because I went to a university. I went to 327 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: Bathlost University, where a lot of people from all different places. 328 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 3: Around the country went. 329 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: So I've got a lot of friends in different places. 330 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: Because of that. I guess. I don't know. I've also 331 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: you've got a lot of friends that moved away. I 332 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: don't know. I'm just I guess. 333 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: I'm just like a social past that kind of has 334 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: a lot of connections and networking. 335 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 3: I don't know, over the years I've built that up. 336 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: But it's funny because a lot of the contestants I 337 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 3: do know personally. So Renee and Kieran I know through 338 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: a mutual friend in Darwin. So one of my best 339 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 3: friends is their best friend. 340 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: So but you know, I just gave them some advice 341 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: before the show, and then you know, once it was 342 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: all happening, we just kind of kept in touch. 343 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: They didn't do anything to break their contracts or anything 344 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 3: like that. 345 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: But it's more just like I feel people in those situations, 346 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 2: if they have someone to talk to that kind of 347 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 2: knows what's going on and can give them. 348 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 3: Some advice, it's beneficial for them. Else. 349 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: Jackson, I've known. We're actually family friends. I've known him 350 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 2: for a few years. Our parents know each other. 351 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: You ad the infamous party, weren't you Jackson's party drama? 352 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 3: Oh my god? What's this party? 353 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: What actually happened at the party? 354 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: What didn't happen? It's pretty loose. What do you want 355 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: to know? 356 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: Well, so who was there? What can you explain for 357 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: people who haven't heard, what was the drama that went down? 358 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: And do you think that people were aware of who 359 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: you were? And that basically like, were you just sitting 360 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: in the corner with like a notepad just writing down everything? 361 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 362 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 3: No, when I go to parties like that, I'm not working. 363 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 2: Because even the thing about Alicia, when she hooked up 364 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: with Scott that night and I didn't know, I did 365 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: not have any idea about it until like a week 366 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: before I did the story on the podcast and the 367 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: person that told me wasn't at Jackson's party, and they were. 368 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 3: Like, how have you ever done this on the podcast? 369 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 3: And I was like, oh what what tea? 370 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: And then they were like, won't you at Jackson's And 371 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I didn't see that happened. 372 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 3: So I mean, maybe I wasn't doing my job properly. 373 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: But I feel like when you're in that situation, because 374 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 2: I am friends with Jackson genuinely in real life, it's like, 375 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a big dog. 376 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: To go there and start to notes on all him 377 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: and all his mates. Like I'm not like that. I 378 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 3: respect the boundaries of this is work and this isn't. 379 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 2: And I think that's why people trust me enough to 380 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: keep coming to me, because they know that I'm not 381 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: just going to see a story and do it straight away. 382 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 3: I'm going to kind of I'll do the story. 383 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: But I will I'm not going to throw anyone under 384 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: the bus in terms of like if we're all hanging 385 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: out at someone's house and someone tells me something in private. 386 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 3: I'm not going to go and blurt that out. You 387 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: know that you've got to have that type of trust 388 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 3: between people. 389 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: People won't tell you stuff. If you're going to blurt 390 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: everything out and do it like that, you've got to 391 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: kind of do it in a way where it's I mean, 392 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: if you hear something and someone's told you, it's fine. 393 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 2: But if someone's like, please don't say this, I would 394 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 2: never do that, you know. 395 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 3: So yeah, I do. 396 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: When I go to parties like that, I do switch 397 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 2: off and I'm not working, which I think people might 398 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 2: find hard to believe because it's a good opportunity missed. 399 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: Do you think you'll be in to any more batchy 400 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: parties after the podcast? 401 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 3: I hope. So. 402 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: I mean, like I'm still friends with the people that 403 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: I did stories on the podcast about. 404 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 3: I think, like even Kieran, I'm still friends with Kieran. 405 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 3: I think people find that we find out he had 406 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 3: to believe because I did kind of go ahead on Kieran. 407 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: He copped it quite a lot on the podcast Our 408 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 3: Number One Super Spread Up. 409 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 2: But I think he kind of knows that I've got 410 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 2: a job to do. He's on TV. I can't not 411 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: report about one of the main characters on the show, 412 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: and especially when he's doing things on the show that 413 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: I didn't agree with that the public didn't agree with. 414 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 3: I can't ignore that, you know what I mean, Like. 415 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 2: It's happening, we're seeing you're so I do when it 416 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: comes to stuff like that, I do have a job 417 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: to do. And I think that's quite mature of him, 418 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 2: the fact that he's still. 419 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: He respects that and he understands that. 420 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: And he's still okay with me and we've still got 421 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 2: that friendship. So yeah, I felt like that was very 422 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: mature of him to take that stance. 423 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 3: I was actually a bit nervous. I'm like, do you 424 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 3: hate me? And he was like, no, not at all. 425 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: I get it, And I was fair. I wasn't making 426 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 2: up anything about him. Everything that I said was the 427 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 2: truth that had happened. So he would also have to 428 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: understand that if you if you're on TV and you 429 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 2: do something that it's gonna kind of come out and 430 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 2: you've got to be accountable fear actions. 431 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is actually really mature of him. But if 432 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: you're happy to take the good edit like he got 433 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: on Andy's series, and you've got to know that, you've 434 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: got to be happy taking the bad edit too. And 435 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: people are going to be objective in the way they 436 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: view you anyway, So you're keeping him relevant. 437 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 2: So but then other people, I mean like to I 438 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: don't I'm blocked skills by him, So I mean, that's 439 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: not a huge loss to me. 440 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 3: We weren't friends before. 441 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jamie, oh my god, did you see me Jamie 442 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: are friends again? Oh? 443 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: Really? That's hilarious. 444 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 3: Jamie popped it quite a lot on the podcast as well, and. 445 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: Even he's come around, he's unblocked me. We bonded over 446 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 2: I think it was did you see that Reese Chiltern saga? 447 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: That was yes, Yes, Jamie. 448 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 3: Did a really funny video and I was like, unblocked me, 449 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: I want to be friends. 450 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: Again, and we had a laugh about it. So yeah, 451 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 2: it is. It is funny. I don't think it's It 452 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: is hard when there was a story and you do 453 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: focus on the one person. You follow the story and 454 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 2: you continue the story and you are chasing it up 455 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: every day, and it kind of it might come across 456 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 2: to some people that it's you're targeting them or something 457 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: like that, but it's really not. 458 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 3: You're just following the story as it unfolds. So yeah, 459 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 3: I think people need to keep that in mind as well. 460 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: Do you know what, if this was a movie, you 461 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: and Jamie would end up together because you've started off, 462 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: you've hated it each other. Now you guys are back 463 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: to your friendly again. Is there any contestant I'm going 464 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: to just throw this out there that was on Bachelor 465 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: in Paradise that you went, oh, yeah, I would date him? 466 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: Like who would if you had to pick one of 467 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: the contestants, who would you pick? 468 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 3: It's funny you say that. 469 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 2: Someone commented on my page the other day being like, 470 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: if Megan and Jamie can be friends twenty twenty, it's 471 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 2: the best thing to come out of twenty twenty. It's 472 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 2: doing me hope for twenty twenty. And I was like, 473 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: we could even share lawyers. 474 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, couples do. 475 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 3: I never really, I don't really, I don't know. I 476 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 3: don't find any of them. I wouldn't date. I'm not 477 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 3: into reality stars. Let's go away. I wouldn't really date 478 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 3: a reality star. 479 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 2: I've never been attracted to a reality star. I think 480 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: because I'm just so focused on getting the story and 481 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 2: the doing the work that I wouldn't want that to 482 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 2: get in the way of anything. 483 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, who would I think? Who do I think is 484 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 3: good looking? Yeah? 485 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: Who would be more your style? You're more of a 486 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: Kieran tattooed kind of guy, or are you more of 487 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: a mentional I'm trying to think who was actually Like, 488 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: it was an interesting mix this year of guys. Yeah, 489 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: I thought, I mean I probably would lean more towards Glenn. Oh, 490 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: he's my kind of like more clean cut. 491 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 2: I suppose Glenn's lovely but a bit boring. I need 492 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: a bit of like, I don't know, it's so weird. 493 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 2: I don't really have a type in terms of my 494 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: own dating life. Like if you lined up all of 495 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: my exes on a police line, they would you would die, 496 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: Like you would die. They're completely different looks, completely different personality. 497 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: So I don't know who. I don't even have a 498 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 3: type from the season. I can't even think who was 499 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 3: on there. Now I'm getting. 500 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: It's hard. I actually can't think of someone that I 501 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,239 Speaker 1: would have gone for either other than Gain. But as 502 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: you said, Glenn was a bit boring, but he just 503 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: seemed a lot nicer than everyone else, in a bit 504 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: more genuine. 505 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 3: I mean, Carlin's lovely, he's hot. Oh yeah, I don't know. 506 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 2: Personality wise, I don't think we Yeah, it takes quite 507 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 2: a special personality to to get along with me. 508 00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 3: I'm getting locky with me. 509 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: I'm guessing Lucky would be a no. 510 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: No, he's too sleazy dating a super spreader. 511 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 3: I don't COVID. 512 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: Now just now, we've obviously touched on the Bachelor Contestants 513 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: that you did Know, and we have discussed a little 514 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: bit about sliding into people's dms. When you do slide 515 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: into a contest like a reality contestants DM, what is 516 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: your opening line? Like, do you have a go to line? 517 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 3: You know? It's so funny. I used to do the standard. Hey, 518 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 3: I work here and I you know, if you need 519 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 3: any help, I would love to help you, you know, 520 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 3: the standard like professional one. 521 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 2: Here's my number. Now I'm just I don't know if 522 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 2: I'm just over the fact of like I just can't 523 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: be bothered anymore. I just like, if you want to 524 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 2: work with me, work with me. If not, like, don't 525 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: worry about it. I just write like I. 526 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 3: Think I wrote this some one on the other day, Hey, 527 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 3: you want to make some headlines? And then I did. 528 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 2: I did like the devil emoji, So I just have 529 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: fun with it. Now I'm like, I feel like people 530 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 2: know know what I'm about. Yeah, so what I It's 531 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 2: easy for me now because a lot of people just 532 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 2: come to me. I don't have to do the whole 533 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: stalking vibe that much anymore, which is good. 534 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: Do you know what. I had to laugh because I'm 535 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: not I don't want to give out your phone number, 536 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: but you do have six six six and your phone number, 537 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: and I was. 538 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, oh my god, I've never thought 539 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 3: of that. True, the devil's number. The devil works harder, 540 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 3: I work harder, exactly. 541 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: Say for any budding journals out there, what are your 542 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: tips on building a relationship with your sources? 543 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: I would say the one thing is never burn your contacts, 544 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: keep them close to you, keep them, keep their trust 545 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: like their trust is everything. Never never burn a contact 546 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 2: for a story unless it's absolutely necessary, it's absolutely in 547 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 2: the public's interest to know that information, or they've done 548 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: something completely fucked up that you need to kind of 549 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: get the story out. But yeah, privacy is everything. I 550 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 2: think that's as well why people think a lot of 551 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: these stories are made up, because we never reveal who 552 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 2: the sources are, and we just say it. 553 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 3: A source and onset source. And that's because you can't 554 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 3: throw these people under the bus. You can't reveal who 555 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 3: they are. 556 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 2: Even when you cop backlash and people think the story's fake, 557 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: you can't actually be like, oh, well, this person told 558 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 2: me it's real. You've kind of just got to cop 559 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 2: it on the chin. And another tip I would give 560 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: is I think, which has worked really well for me, 561 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 2: which I guess a lot of my formal workplaces probably 562 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 2: didn't really like that I did this, But I try 563 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 2: to really make genuine relationships with my contacts, and I 564 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: kind of work with people that I like or that 565 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 2: I believe in, or that I get along with. I 566 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: don't kind of just use them for one story and 567 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, see you later now, thanks for that. 568 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 3: I really kind of. 569 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: Feel like a genuine relationship with them, and I really 570 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: want to help them back and give them advice. And 571 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 2: I guess that's how people have come to build that 572 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: trust with me, because I am genuine when it comes 573 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 2: to things like that. And then in future, when they've 574 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 2: got another story, you will be the first person they 575 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: come to because they're like, Okay, she was really nice, 576 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 2: she actually helped me, she cared about me, she didn't. 577 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 3: Throw me under the bus. I'm going to go to her. 578 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to tell her, and that's what happened. Has 579 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 2: happened a lot with me. They've come back with stories. 580 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: So it makes your job easier in the long run 581 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: because they just come to you. They just end up 582 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: coming to you first, and then they tell their friends. 583 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 3: It's like a referral, a word of mouth referral. They 584 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 3: tell all their friends because they all all these people like. 585 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 2: Mix in the same circles of the same type of 586 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 2: people that go on reality show. So then they tell 587 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 2: their friends and then every season you've kind of got 588 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 2: someone that you can work with or yeah, it's good. 589 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 2: Do you know what. 590 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: I feel like you'd have the best skills at being 591 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: a producer on a reality show because I feel like 592 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: they're the sort of the skills that you need to 593 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: actually get people to talk on camera as well, like 594 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: the you know, being your best friends and everything. Would 595 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: you ever consider being a reality TV producer? 596 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 2: Probably not, but I mean they should probably put me 597 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 2: on their payroll. I feel like they have a record. 598 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 2: I have thought about it, but I'd have to start 599 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: at the bottom and I'm just not about that life anymore. 600 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: And the hours are crazy, but I know what you 601 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 2: mean in terms of getting people to open up and 602 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 2: getting them to trust you and knowing what's a good 603 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 2: story and what's a good I would love the element 604 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: of kind of planning what stories and what scandals to 605 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: come out, and I feel like i'd be be good 606 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 2: at that, but I know I don't think I would 607 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 2: ever do it. To be honest, I'd also feel bad 608 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 2: because I know people probably think what I do is 609 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 2: quite heartless. But I feel like when you're a producer, 610 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 2: it's like you really have to You've got to get 611 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 2: the show. You've got to there's no ifs or barts, 612 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: You've got to do. Your job comes first when it's 613 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: when it's that and when I yeah, I try to 614 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 2: kind of put my relationship with the talent first. And 615 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: I don't think you could do that on set, because 616 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 2: you've got to They've got a show to make. 617 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the EP would overrule everything as well. 618 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: You need to burn them, yeah, and it'd be savage 619 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 3: and you do it. 620 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 2: You would have to throw people under and not necessarily 621 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: lie to them, but you would have to strongly convince them, 622 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 2: I guess, to do stuff that's probably not in their 623 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 2: best interest. 624 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 3: A lot of the time, so yeah, it would get 625 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 3: a bit murky, I think. 626 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: And just back to people sliding into your dms. Obviously, 627 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: Amanda from Married at First slight s she slid right 628 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: into your dms. And for those who, oh my god, 629 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: those who are about the gift that kept on giving 630 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: for those who don't know you obviously shared a post 631 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: on Instagram about Amanda's decision to set up a GoFundMe 632 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: paid so she was asking people to donate money so 633 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: she could move from Melbourne to the Gold Coast. And 634 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: then yeah, you copped a rather abusive voice message. What 635 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: was actually running through your head when that message popped 636 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: up and you played that audio message? 637 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: When I got the message, yeah, I was shocked. 638 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god. But it wasn't when 639 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 3: I sent it to other people, being like what should 640 00:27:59,600 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 3: it about? 641 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 2: It is like holy shit. Their first reaction was are 642 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 2: you okay? And I'm like, yeah, I'm fine. They're like, 643 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 2: you've just been abused, Like just be careful, you know, 644 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 2: I don't like these people could be dangerous, like you 645 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 2: never know, just be careful. I've copped so much worse 646 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: than that, Like that was not even bad in terms 647 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 2: of what I've the abuse that I've copped in the past. 648 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 2: So I thought it was humorous because of the fact 649 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 2: that she'd done the video saying she's basically abusing people 650 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: for sliding into her DMS abusing her, and then she'd 651 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: slid into my DMS abusing me. So I just found 652 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 2: the whole thing super hypocritical. And she actually a little 653 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 2: bit of goss. She the reason I wasn't sympathetic towards 654 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 2: her saying when she did the video saying that she'd 655 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 2: become homeless or whatever, I wasn't really sympathetic because I'd 656 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 2: been sent another voicemail that she'd sent to a friend 657 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 2: who I know. 658 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: Saying they'd messaged. 659 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 2: They'd message her saying, oh my god, are you okay 660 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: of just seeing that you're homeless? I hope you're fine, 661 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: Like let me know if you need anything, and she'd 662 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 2: always come back saying, yeah, babe, I'm fine. 663 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 3: Everything's fine. 664 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 2: I got good and she's so happy and she was 665 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: laughing and she's like, no, I just want. 666 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 3: To move to the Gold Coast. I just want to change. 667 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 3: The weather's better up there. Damn Andrews is a cunt. 668 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 3: And she's like, you know, I just want to change. 669 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: I'm over Melbourne, the bit the fitness business is booming 670 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 2: in Queensland. I might meet the love of my life 671 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: up in Queensland. So it was not once did she 672 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 2: mention being homeless again to a friend. So I just 673 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: don't even know how much of that I believe. Yeah, 674 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 2: So that's why I was not hesitating when I was 675 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: kind of posting all of that stuff, because I had 676 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 2: so much more evidence that I didn't post that I 677 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 2: was one hundred percent certain with my conviction on that 678 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: that that was not really what was happening. 679 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 3: So that's hard. 680 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: That's another hard thing as well, when you're doing these 681 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: stories and you do have other evidence that is helping 682 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 2: you make the decision of what to post, but then 683 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 2: the audience doesn't have that and it might come across 684 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 2: as like, oh, you know, this seems a bit like 685 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 2: targeting all this scene, a bit like too far now. 686 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: But it's when you've got that I wouldn't post something 687 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: if I wasn't one hundred percent sure about it, you 688 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 2: know what I mean. 689 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: And you mentioned on the podcast that you also rang 690 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: the police inquiri's line to make sure that it was 691 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, legally okay, I'd love to know how that 692 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: conversation went down with it, what was their reactions? 693 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 3: Slightly traumatic from me? 694 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 2: It was so funny because I wasn't really stressed about 695 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: the civil criminal the civil element of it. I was 696 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: just more worried about the criminal element in terms of 697 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: am I going to be arrested because of the chances 698 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 2: of like a civil suit over that. It's very minor, 699 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 2: but yeah, I was more concerned about the criminal element 700 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 2: because you know how it is it is illegal to 701 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 2: record someone a phone conversation with someone without their permission 702 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: and to publish it. So I was just a bit 703 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 2: concerned about the telecommunications laws, like how far they reached? 704 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 3: Does it cover Instagram? 705 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 2: Is her voice memo considered a recording since she actually 706 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 2: recorded it and said it to me? So I just 707 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 2: wanted to make sure I wasn't going to be arrested 708 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: and locked up in jail that afternoon. And it was 709 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 2: funny because the police actually didn't know either, and she 710 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 2: was like, I don't really know and so vague, and 711 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: I'm like, can you give me an answer, I'm about 712 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: to go and record and potentially end up in jail, 713 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 2: And she didn't really give me an answer. 714 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: And then I was like, Okay, let. 715 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: Me ask a lawyer. I asked several lawyers. Everyone was 716 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: giving me different information. I then called my old boss 717 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 2: at Kiss FM, and they were like, you can publish 718 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 2: the one with you and her, but you can't publish 719 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 2: the one that she sent to someone else. Oh yeah, 720 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 2: But then someone after that told me that I can, 721 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 2: So then I did. 722 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 3: Go and put another voicemail out between her and someone else. 723 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 3: So I actually think the laws. 724 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 2: When it comes to that type of stuff, because the 725 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 2: technology is so new and it's such a new terrain 726 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: for everyone, I actually don't know what the laws are, 727 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 2: or if the laws know what the laws are. 728 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: It's such a gray area. It's crazy. 729 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: But apparently it is not a crime to play a 730 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 2: voice recording that someone has sent you. Anyone else out 731 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 2: there wants to go ahead and do that. 732 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: It's very useful to know. We're going to keep that 733 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: other I'm sorry. The first thing I thought is why 734 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: would somebody send someone like you who has a podcast 735 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: a perfect audio grab of them abusing you. That's a thing. 736 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: What the hell? 737 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 3: It's just asking for trouble. 738 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: And I think when I posted that it wasn't a 739 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 2: crime to do it, And when I posted it, I 740 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 2: was like, there's probably a lot of people right now 741 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 2: sweating bullets thinking that I'm just startling. I would never 742 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: do that, Like I would never ever leave a voicemail. 743 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 2: It was more just the fact that this one was 744 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 2: just an abusive threat to me. And you know, I 745 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 2: had no prior relationship with Amanda. 746 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 3: I didn't owe her. 747 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 2: Anything not to put it out there. And I mean, 748 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 2: you can't go around abusing people. Yeah, I'm just doing 749 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 2: my job over here. Go fummy page was public anyway, 750 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 2: and it had been on daily mail and everywhere. I mean, 751 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 2: I did do it first, but yeah, why was I 752 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 2: copping an abusive voicemail? I wasn't doing any different to 753 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 2: what any of the other publications were doing exactly. 754 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: So that was craziness. I mean, talking about all the 755 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: legal side of things in the gray areas. You've spoken 756 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: a little bit in the past, and you've joked about 757 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: your concerns over Channel ten suing you for releasing so much, 758 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: for spilling so much to Yeah, have you heard how 759 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: they're feeling about your podcast? And you've obviously got a 760 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: lot of little sources out there. 761 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't received anything from Channel ten. I have 762 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 2: in the past, but not since doing the podcast. And 763 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 2: I think because I just in the past, I'd received 764 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: quite a few season desisted letters from various networks and 765 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: I just kind of ignored them. 766 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 3: So maybe they're over. Maybe they don't think there's anything. 767 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they're all losing money at the moment at 768 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: the big TV station, so they probably don't want to 769 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: be saving too many. Out of the thing is they 770 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: send you legal letters as a threat, like they're not 771 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: actually going to follow through. They think that. Most people go, 772 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: oh shit, I've got a legal letters. Well, they should 773 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: be sending bloody paychecks to you as you touched them before. 774 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's the only reason some people are continuing 775 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: to watch The Bachelor is so they can keep updated 776 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: with your podcast. Yeah, I'm so bored. Are you brought over? 777 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 3: The Bachelor? So bored? 778 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 2: And so many people have messaged me saying I'm only 779 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 2: watching it so I can keep up with the goss 780 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 2: on the podcast. So that's good to know. And you 781 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 2: know what the other thing is as well, if you 782 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: do sue someone, you need to prove damages. And if 783 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: people are tuning into the show and the ratings aren't suffering, 784 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 2: and the more people are tuning in saying I'm listening to. 785 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 3: The show because of the podcast. There's no damages, so 786 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 3: they can't actually do anything. 787 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: I don't think, and I do believe that I am 788 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 2: creating interest in the show and explaining things that aren't 789 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 2: being shown. Like with the Roxy and Juliet fight, a 790 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 2: lot of people didn't know what was going on and 791 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 2: they were still confused, and they're like, I'm turning this 792 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: off because it's just confusing. 793 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 3: Now it's just stupid. So my last episode, I just 794 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 3: explained what was really happening. 795 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 2: And now today a lot of people have been messaging 796 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 2: me saying, oh, thank god, finally some context, and now 797 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 2: I can kind of watch the show because now I 798 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 2: know what's going on. So I do think that they 799 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 2: it shouldn't be like a me verse them thing. I 800 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 2: think we should be really working together. It's beneficial for 801 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 2: both of us that the show does well. 802 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: You know exactly going on. I feel like we're obsessed 803 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: with talking about people sliding into dms, But just one 804 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: last question about it. Are there any interesting people that 805 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: you have slid into your DMS in recent times that 806 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 1: might shock people? That you can divulge to us. 807 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 3: I probably won't evold too, but I have been shocked 808 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 3: with the level of celebrity that has slid into my 809 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 3: DMS or actually a fun one that I don't think 810 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 3: he'll mind if I say, because it wasn't anything. He 811 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 3: wasn't giving me anything stupid, juicy. He was just saying 812 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 3: he loved the podcast. Kurk Coleman, who's like my childhood 813 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 3: I oh wow, oh my gosh, you know Kurk Coleman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 814 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 2: He slid and he's like, I love this, this is 815 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 2: so funny. I'm going to listen to this forever. 816 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 3: So I said that to me and my friend had 817 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 3: like a running joke we used to be obsessed with 818 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 3: Kurt Coleman. So I sent that to her, saying, life made. 819 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 2: But it's funny because I've been chatting to a few 820 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 2: previous bachelors and bachelorettes since the podcast started, which has 821 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 2: been nice. So so yeah, that was surprising because I 822 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: didn't kind of feel like they would be as into 823 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 2: the gossip and the drama once they're off the show, 824 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: But it turns out everyone's very much invested in the 825 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 2: show and the drama. 826 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: Well you also mentioning that people were sliding into your 827 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: DMS asking for photos of your feet and all this 828 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: random stuff. Has that continued? 829 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 830 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 2: Actually, funny story hot off the press, this one. I 831 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 2: was just doing this this morning, not doing it. I 832 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,919 Speaker 2: was chatting to someone this morning about it. The guy 833 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 2: that slid into my DMS asking for the money. It's 834 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 2: never like really happened to me before. So I was like, 835 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 2: is this like a legit thing we can make money off? Like, sure, 836 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 2: you can have a photo of my feet. He then 837 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 2: up the price to ten thousand dollars and I'm just 838 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 2: saying the whole time, Yeah, sure, Like I'll talk to 839 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 2: you for ten thousand dollars, like the money in. 840 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 3: My account now? Thanks? You come again? And then do 841 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 3: you know Hannah from Big Brother? 842 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, she messaged me this morning saying, Hey, 843 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 2: is this the guy that slid into your DMS? 844 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 3: And she sent me a screenshot. 845 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,959 Speaker 2: And he'd slid into her DMS asking her the same 846 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 2: thing and sending her the same receipts that he'd sent me, 847 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,439 Speaker 2: but obviously just changed the name. 848 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 3: And I'm like day, and I'm like, okay, what are 849 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 3: we doing? We'll just both block him to see a scamp. 850 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 2: But I was like, because she's obviously new to this 851 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 2: as well, so maybe he was just a targeting vulnerable people. 852 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 3: Who aren't really you don't really know well how all 853 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 3: this works, well that it's a thing. So we were 854 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 3: just laughing about that before this interview. Actually, that's crazy. 855 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 3: He must be like a serial DM slide. He's worse 856 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 3: than me. 857 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm a little offendity as it slid into our d 858 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: MS asking for our fates. 859 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 3: If he does. His name's Chris and it's a scar. Now. 860 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: You obviously talk a lot about reality TV shows. Now, 861 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: if we had to hold a gun to your head 862 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: and you had to choose a reality show that you 863 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: would go on, which one would it be? 864 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 3: Oh my god, please don't make me choose none? Actually none? Oh. 865 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 3: I got asked this so much. I really don't know what. 866 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: About Like the Amazing Race, I feel like that's no. 867 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 3: I hate no, I hate the sport and I hate running. 868 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 2: Around, thank you. I would hate the Jungle because it's no. Yeah, 869 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 2: I cannot dance to save my life. I would never 870 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 2: do Dancing with the Stars. 871 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: You'd be good on Google Box. I don't know if 872 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: that's considered a reality show, though, you'd be amazing. 873 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 3: That I would do goggle Box for sure. 874 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: What about if you had to choose between the Bachelor 875 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: and Married at First Sight? 876 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 3: Bachelor? Bachelor? Yeah, Bachelor for sure. 877 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: Okay, cool. 878 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 2: The Maps is grueling, like Maps is hectic, the stuff 879 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,959 Speaker 2: that their filming schedule is insane. Actually, maybe I would 880 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 2: do Maps because the cocktail or the dinner parties would 881 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 2: be so fun. 882 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. 883 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 2: That would be that that would be so much fun 884 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 2: just going in there and just like starting dramas with 885 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 2: people and I actually love that. 886 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: And you can just move rooms as well. You can 887 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: just be like, I hate this person, I'm just having 888 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: I need my own space because they seem to just 889 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,760 Speaker 1: allow them to change rooms. 890 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,919 Speaker 2: Constantly, and I guess like you are basically just sitting 891 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 2: around doing nothing. The only bad thing is if I 892 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 2: hated the person, I could not fake. I couldn't be 893 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 2: nice to them. 894 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 3: I would just yeah, I couldn't get that. I'd be 895 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 3: probably like an inners or something. What show would you 896 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 3: guys do? 897 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: We actually got approach to be on Married at First Sight, 898 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: Like we were just sitting not mate like the three 899 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: of us were sitting in a bar, and obviously, sorry, 900 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: I always joke that Sophie Embellish's stories so much. We 901 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: were literally they were out scouting and they saw us 902 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 1: as being triplets and like, hey, would you be on 903 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: Like would you be interesting? That's a bad thing having 904 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: a sister that's with you all the time. They ruined 905 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: your punchlines. But we didn't get wrung up. 906 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 3: That would be amazing to have triplets on Maps. 907 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately our boyfriends might not agree with it. But 908 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: all the relationships are fake anyway, you know. 909 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 3: You enjoyed if you weren't in a relationship. 910 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: I personally wouldn't. Like we didn't give her our details 911 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: because even though we were single at the time, when 912 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: this woman approached us, we just said we weren't interested. 913 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't do maps if it was like, 914 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, with the sister thing with the bachelotte sorry 915 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: bachelorette with Ellie. I would do if they said, do 916 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: you want triplet? Oh, actually I don't know. I don't know. 917 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: If you were a bachelorette, i'd say yes because I 918 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: feel like it's I don't know. I wouldn't want to 919 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: just be some like rogue contestant that was fighting for everyone. 920 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: I'd want to be choosing people, so we wouldn't want 921 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: that freak factor like I feel like if the three 922 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: of us were to go on it. I just hate 923 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: when people portray triplets and twins is all wearing the 924 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,919 Speaker 1: same things and being the same person. I hate that ship. 925 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 3: So have you been matching up? 926 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: Yeah? But with Georgia Love obviously worked really well for 927 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: her career and she got her gig, get Channel ten 928 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: and stuff, so I can see what I can see 929 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: why people do it that are in the media industry. 930 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:19,760 Speaker 3: Definitely. 931 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 2: You know, I've actually been approached for Love Island Bachelor 932 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,720 Speaker 2: and married at first side. 933 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: Wow, I would love to see you on Love Island. 934 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: That's my favorite reality show. Exactly. Amazing that you got 935 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: to go on the UK version, not the Australian one. 936 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 1: That's ship. Now, we love your take on reality show. 937 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: So I didn't really pre warn you about this, but 938 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: we wanted to get your take on some influences. 939 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 3: And I'm assuming I'm being ambush. 940 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. I'm hoping you know who these influence 941 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: of speed round, So. 942 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, influenzas I don't really know, but yeah, try me. 943 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: Okay, So thoughts on Sammy Robinson launching a clothing line. 944 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 2: Who, Okay, I'm not I'm not being bitch like I. 945 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 2: Actually I don't follow I know. Oh my god, you're 946 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 2: gonna get me. Sound like a bitch. I don't know. 947 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 3: You know. You know what's bad like I? 948 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 2: It's I follow reality TV so much and there's so 949 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 2: many contestants. I physically cannot also follow influences or like 950 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 2: political figures or you know, I can't do everything. 951 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 1: No, that's no, that was that's no, that's that's that's 952 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: your response. That's a perfect response. 953 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 3: Oh my god, don't sound bad on like Robinson? 954 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 2: Who what about if you've got like six million followers 955 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 2: as well? 956 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,240 Speaker 3: Who is just nobody? 957 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: She looks like did She's like stunning anyway, She's not 958 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: that controvers she's she's probably not that interesting. 959 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 3: I only follow controversial people. 960 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: What about We've spoken about it recently on our podcast. 961 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: We had a bit of a run in with an influencer, 962 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,359 Speaker 1: Madison Woolly, regarding her decision to travel during COVID. What's 963 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,399 Speaker 1: your take on that issue? 964 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 2: A bit I listened to your episode and the whole 965 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 2: time I love the tea because I love that you 966 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 2: had the receipts and that you were going going. 967 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 3: Like you were so savage to her. I loved it. 968 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 3: I was living for it me in my day from 969 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 3: a message he told me about it. 970 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 2: Actually, he's like, oh my god, you have to listen 971 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 2: to the outspoken girls. They're bringing the receipts. And I 972 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 2: went and listened, and I was living for it. But 973 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 2: I had no idea who we're talking about. 974 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 3: Is she a big name? 975 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,399 Speaker 1: I had none in the middle of the road influencer. 976 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 1: What about Abby Chatfield's decision to close her Facebook group, well, sorry, 977 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: not close her Facebook group, but only post episode threads. 978 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 3: Hm hm. This is controversial topic for me, honestly. Let 979 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 3: me be candid here. 980 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 2: I was attacked in that group a couple of weeks ago, 981 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 2: so I think it's a good decision. 982 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,280 Speaker 3: Personally, I think. 983 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 2: It was getting way too out of hand and it 984 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 2: was not a safe space for anyone in that group, 985 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 2: Like people were being unnecessarily targeted and bullied and piled on. 986 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 3: And I'm not I am not for that. 987 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 2: Like I am for creating a safe space and yes, 988 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,399 Speaker 2: holding people accountable, but. 989 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 3: When it becomes personal, you can't. I feel like you're 990 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,280 Speaker 3: just crossing that line of attack, Like people were attacking 991 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 3: my looks, my ethnicity, and that's not Yeah, I just 992 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,760 Speaker 3: didn't think it had anything to do with the original 993 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 3: thing of why I was getting piled on, and it 994 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:17,959 Speaker 3: just wasn't a safe space. 995 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 2: I'm actually glad that that's been shut down or paused 996 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 2: or whatever's happening. I feel like those groups, if there's 997 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 2: such a large number of people in them, they do 998 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 2: need to be carefully moderated, especially when it's like with 999 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,439 Speaker 2: my group, I'm really careful about I mean, I'm really 1000 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 2: clear about the rules of the group. And I said, 1001 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 2: we're just sticking to the gossip. 1002 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 3: It's lighthearted, it's fun. It's not to get personal with 1003 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:39,879 Speaker 3: each other. 1004 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,919 Speaker 2: It's not to have these big debates like this isn't 1005 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 2: the place, you know, like, just keep it strictly to 1006 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 2: the gossip. 1007 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 3: And keep it fun. You know, we've got enough. Life's 1008 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 3: hard enough. We don't need to be also attacking each 1009 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 3: other in groups because we've got a different opinion to someone. 1010 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's like the mo of my group, just 1011 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 2: to keep it fun and lighthearted. But I'm very active 1012 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 2: in my group in terms of I'm very I respond 1013 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 2: to people, I'm very involved in the conversations, and I 1014 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 2: interact with everyone a lot. I mean, it probably will 1015 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 2: get harder to do as the group gets bigger. But 1016 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 2: I think that's the problem with Abby's. It got too 1017 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 2: big and she kind of couldn't physically reply to everyone 1018 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 2: and be involved in the conversation. So it kind of 1019 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,879 Speaker 2: just got it took on this life of its own, 1020 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 2: and it's sad because it was probably started off as 1021 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,839 Speaker 2: a really constructive group and a safe space for those 1022 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 2: girls to have, you know, those types of conversations. 1023 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,960 Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know, it just got a bit 1024 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 3: toxic in there. Yeah. 1025 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: I tend to agree, like even conversations that I'd stumbled 1026 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: across about our own podcasts are very toxic in nature 1027 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 1: and quite personal. So yeah, it's not nice when you 1028 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 1: come across that sort of stuff about yourself and there's 1029 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: no moderation happening. No, But good on Abby for actually 1030 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: going I'm going to pull the pin on this because 1031 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Shameless group went on for 1032 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,360 Speaker 1: far too long when we discuss that in episode yesterday. 1033 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, thank you so much. I won't ask you 1034 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,879 Speaker 1: about the other influences because they're even more obscure than 1035 00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: Sammy Robinson. But I loved it. 1036 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,359 Speaker 3: I want to see if I can get like one ride. 1037 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 3: I want to see if I know any of them. 1038 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,719 Speaker 1: We have no Reese Hawkins. Wuldn't you Tammy Hembros. Yeah, 1039 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: so he's just they've just announced that he and his 1040 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: new partner London, are expecting a baby. But what she's 1041 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,400 Speaker 1: done is London's gone and put a link up, like 1042 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 1: like a swipe up link so you can look at 1043 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: I don't know the ultrasound, but it's to an only 1044 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: fans account, so you have to get stoppers. Take on that. 1045 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 2: Someone tagged me in a post today that were they 1046 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 2: charging an outrageous amount? 1047 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm actually not sure because Kate Kate, who's not here, 1048 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: messaged about it. 1049 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 2: Sorry, someone tagged me in something and they were writing 1050 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 2: this big thing about influencers charging for pictures or something, 1051 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 2: and they were like happy to pay a doll of it, 1052 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 2: not happy to pay whatever the amount was, and I 1053 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 2: kind of just I didn't repost it or I kind 1054 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 2: of ignored because I didn't understand what it was. 1055 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 3: So I'll have to go and revisit that that's interesting. 1056 00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,800 Speaker 3: I mean, make that money girl, But is it ultrasound? 1057 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 3: They all look the same anyway. 1058 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,439 Speaker 1: Just show your feet or whatever, like that's what people 1059 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:06,680 Speaker 1: are apparently after. 1060 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,840 Speaker 3: Gosh, I thought people only want to like titty picks. 1061 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 1: They can you imagine that child hearing that they will 1062 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: put on an only fan when they're older? 1063 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,880 Speaker 3: God, is there a porn site? Basically that's what. 1064 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 1: I thought, But apparently people do share other content. I 1065 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: thought that was just like a ruse to be like, oh, yeah, 1066 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm just sharing the other content. 1067 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 2: But apparently cood but an ultrasound that just sounds a 1068 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 2: bit off brand for only fans are probably like this 1069 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,359 Speaker 2: is not what You're not in the right place what 1070 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 2: we created this for. Oh that's so funny. 1071 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,720 Speaker 1: Well, thank you for joining in that little that little 1072 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: influencer rap or just before you go, one last question. 1073 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,719 Speaker 1: Once the Bachelor is over, what can listeners expect from 1074 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,799 Speaker 1: the so dramatic podcast? Oh? 1075 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,399 Speaker 3: Good question. Honestly, don't know. Still just trying to get 1076 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,800 Speaker 3: through this week. No, I have been thinking. 1077 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 2: About it, so it'll be after the bachelot it'll be 1078 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,760 Speaker 2: a bachelorette obviously, and the last few weeks I haven't 1079 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,920 Speaker 2: had any guests on, which I think people might be like, 1080 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:09,959 Speaker 2: why is there no guests? 1081 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,480 Speaker 3: But the reason I haven't had guests is because I've had. 1082 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 2: Too much gossip of my own to get through that 1083 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,279 Speaker 2: I haven't had time to also then have a guest on, 1084 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,399 Speaker 2: and I didn't want it to take away. 1085 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 3: You know, at the start of the season, there's a 1086 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 3: lot happening. 1087 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 2: There's a lot of stories, so I'm just trying to 1088 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 2: get those out first and foremost, and as the season 1089 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 2: goes on, I will maybe in a week or two 1090 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 2: get start having guests on again. So I do have 1091 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 2: a lot of people lined up in the bad but 1092 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,839 Speaker 2: are key to come on. So I was thinking if 1093 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,439 Speaker 2: I don't get to them whilst the show's airing, I'll 1094 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,440 Speaker 2: do them in the off season. 1095 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,240 Speaker 3: So once Bachelorette's over, I don't. 1096 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,399 Speaker 2: Think there's anything else on TV after the Bachelorette, so 1097 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,400 Speaker 2: I'll probably do a weekly I'll still get gossip, not 1098 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,399 Speaker 2: as much. I'll do a bit of goss here and there, 1099 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 2: and then have a guest on from a previous season basically, 1100 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 2: so that will be fun, and then I might do 1101 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 2: some fun I don't know how there's some fun things 1102 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,000 Speaker 2: in there, like Q and a's and stuff like that. 1103 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,760 Speaker 2: If people have any specific questions that they want to answered, 1104 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,320 Speaker 2: I'll do yeah, because I feel like I did a 1105 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 2: Q and A episode once and that actually went really well. 1106 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 2: It was the first one I did by myself, and 1107 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 2: I was really scared. I'm like, no one's gonna listen 1108 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 2: if it's just me. They're only coming here for the 1109 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,240 Speaker 2: for the talent. But it was really well received. 1110 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,720 Speaker 3: So people kind of seem to be interested in hearing 1111 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,799 Speaker 3: what happens behind the scenes. So I might do more 1112 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,240 Speaker 3: of that. 1113 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 1: That'd be amazing what happens. Well, we can't wait. Thank 1114 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 1: you so much again for joining us. We've loved having 1115 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:28,720 Speaker 1: you on the show. 1116 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,319 Speaker 3: Thank thank you anytime, and love your podcast A big fan. 1117 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 3: Thank you for all the mentions. Thank you for being 1118 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:37,760 Speaker 3: super spreaded.