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Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio this morning is the

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Speaker 1: Assistant Commissioner with the Northern Territory Police, Michael White. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, Michael, Good morning Kate. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I know that there is not a huge amount that

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Speaker 1: we can say about this helicopter crash at the moment,

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Speaker 1: but I do understand that there is certainly a full

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Speaker 1: investigation underway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Look it certainly the crash happened in a very remote

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Speaker 3: part of the Northern Territory, so access is really challenging

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Speaker 3: for all people who've had to respond to it. Fortunately

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Speaker 3: for US CareFlight, we're able to provide the assistance to

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Speaker 3: extract the injured person and get him to hospital as

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Speaker 3: soon as possible.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're still investigating the matter.

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Speaker 3: CASSA is certainly aware of it and we'll be following

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Speaker 3: up and providing a report to the coroner and to

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Speaker 3: CASSA about what's occurred.

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Speaker 1: Was it quite difficult to be able to get officers

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Speaker 1: there to that site.

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Speaker 2: Yes, very challenging.

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Speaker 3: So whilst it's closer to Manding Greeter, it was easy

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Speaker 3: to access through war are Wee Plea station and they

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Speaker 3: went in through vessel. But it is such a remote

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I guess even then once they were there,

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Speaker 1: I am assuming that it was quite a difficult situation

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Speaker 1: in terms of the rescue process.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct. Certainly.

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Speaker 3: With luckily for us and the support that CareFlight have provided,

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Speaker 3: we were able to obviously rescue the survivor and later

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Speaker 3: recover the deceased. And obviously it's a very tragic time

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Speaker 3: for the family and we certainly pass on our will

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a really really sad time I think for the

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Speaker 1: Now we do want to ask you, obviously, we had

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Speaker 1: about some of the issues that we're seeing around the

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Speaker 1: that we see quite a bit of, unfortunately, and that

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Speaker 1: is domestic violence. Earlier in the week, there was that

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Speaker 1: there been a bit of an update in this space.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the investigation into that serious assault is ongoing. We're

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Speaker 3: certainly calling out still for people to come forward if

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Speaker 3: as we've also asked for, is any dash cam that

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Speaker 3: people may have of going past that area and Ramiroz Road.

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Speaker 3: It's really critical if you can come forward to assist

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Speaker 2: At this stage year there's.

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Speaker 3: Been unfortunately no one has been able to come forward

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Speaker 3: and providing information. So we're certainly encouraging people if they

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, just for a recap for our listeners, it

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct. It's a very nasty incident. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, Assistant Commissioner I think that we all know in

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Speaker 3: It is the most we've had ever experience in the

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Speaker 1: So right now those domestic violence rates are up the

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Speaker 3: Yes, we had certainly last at the beginning of COVID,

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Speaker 3: But since that time, we've had an exponential growth domestic

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Speaker 1: What is causing that?

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Speaker 2: Look, there's a number of factors in that.

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Speaker 3: Certainly from the evidence that we have is that when

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Speaker 2: So we saw a massive increase in sales of alcohol.

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Speaker 3: Alcohol, whilst it's not the cause of domestic violence, it's

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Speaker 3: certainly a major enabler that we know that is the case.

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Speaker 1: So realistically, it is people getting their hands on alcohol

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Speaker 1: then we see those rates of domestic violence skyrocket.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: When you look I don't know whether you've got the

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Speaker 2: So a lot of that is we've seen.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, the wet season also is a factor and people

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, we're continuing to work with all the agencies.

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Speaker 3: it is abhorrent and we need to do what we

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Speaker 1: Do you think that sometimes we become a little bit

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Speaker 2: Look, I think in some respects that's correct.

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Speaker 3: I think we are as a community immune to social

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Speaker 2: Or colleagues at work are suffering.

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Speaker 3: And it might not be a physical abuse, it could

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Speaker 3: it's quite possible that they're suffering domestic and family violence.

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Speaker 3: You know. The difference is that a lot of those circumstances,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's got to be called out. We've

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Speaker 3: Look and the bottom line is that you know a

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Speaker 3: there's certainly the one in Alice Springs. There's the fire

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Speaker 2: Again, it was a man cause that, yeah.

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Speaker 3: You know, so it's from a response perspective, the impact

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Speaker 1: And I know this, you know you touched on those

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Speaker 3: No, At this stage it appears that the numbers are

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Speaker 3: about the same. Certainly that my observation and what I

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Speaker 3: because they have greater access to alcohol. And the other

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Speaker 3: thing we need to reckon more is that a lot

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Speaker 1: How do we make some change in this space? I

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Speaker 3: Look, I think it's incumbent on all of us. It's

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Speaker 1: Well Assistant Commissioner Michael White, I really appreciate your time

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Speaker 1: this morning. A very extensive discussion there. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks very much for coming in today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and thank you listener