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Speaker 1: earlier this week suggested the Commonwealth should pull funding from

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Speaker 1: the comments were not only irresponsible, but utterly absurd and

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Speaker 2: One of the unique things we have here in the

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Speaker 2: Territory Police for remote policing and other options. We're calling

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Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line live from Alice Springs,

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Speaker 1: it is the Independent Member for Ara Leuwn Robin Lamley.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Robert, Good morning Katie Wolf. Long time no here, No.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I haven't spoken to you for a while. Robert,

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Speaker 1: It's been a busy few weeks. Now, Look, I want

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Speaker 1: I ask you first, what do you make of the

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Speaker 1: comments made by the outgoing acting CEO of NARGA.

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Speaker 3: Extremely unhelpful in Central Australia. I think what we saw

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Speaker 3: I find it completely bizarre that an acting CEO of

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Speaker 3: an absolute level of ignorance as to what's happening, At

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Speaker 3: that's one reason why there's overcrowding and all the problems

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Speaker 3: the last four to two situate years. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

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Speaker 1: And you know, from my perspective as well, I just

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Speaker 3: Well, this man's clearly out of touch, because if you

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Speaker 3: the Attorney General has called him out correctly for it.

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Speaker 1: And look, don't get me wrong, we definitely have issues

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, look where we are at this point in

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Speaker 1: How are things going at Alice Springs at the moment

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Speaker 3: Well, Katie, it's really difficult to turn on the optimism

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Speaker 1: Spot on your spot on. Like I always think with

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Speaker 3: Yes. And the other thing that I heard over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: Okaden Robin, I want to ask you. We know that

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a very curious election in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 1: Just don't have a crat I agree, Robin. What are

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Speaker 1: from an experienced family and and you know, is a

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Speaker 3: old school. I think you've got a crawl before you walk,

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Speaker 3: and I think doing four years on counsel and then

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Speaker 3: putting your hand up to be mayor if you're young

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Speaker 3: and fairly inexperienced in leading anything or managing anything, that

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Speaker 3: makes better sense than just kind of putting your hand

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Speaker 3: up randomly to run for mayor. But look good on her.

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Speaker 3: She might do well. She may be the mayor of

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Speaker 3: Alice Springs in a few weeks time. Who knows, who knows?

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Speaker 1: Who knows what's going to happen at the local government elections, Robin.

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Speaker 1: They're always it's always an interesting race. There's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about that all.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm heading up to daywhen on Sunday, so I

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Speaker 3: look forward to seeing what's going on up there. Well

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Speaker 3: about Parliament next week, yeah.

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Speaker 1: It'll be busy, no doubt about that. We might have

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Speaker 1: to catch up with you early next week as well

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Speaker 1: to find out what's on the agenda in parliament, Robin.

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Speaker 1: And then I believe have we got you on for

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Speaker 1: the week that was next week?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm on next Friday for the week that was

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Speaker 3: love when we got you in for that, and I

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Speaker 3: love catching up with you too and all the others.

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Speaker 3: It's a fun thing to do days.

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Speaker 1: No, it's awesome. Well, Robin Lambley, we really appreciate your

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Speaker 1: time this morning. We'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 3: My pleasure, Katie. Thank you,