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Speaker 2: One of the things that I'm most proud of, most

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Speaker 2: heard of are You Okay?

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Speaker 2: Everyone knows what it is, and people ask the question

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Speaker 2: all the time are You Okay? Following the tragic loss

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Speaker 2: of my nephew late last year, on November six, I

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Speaker 2: reached out to a couple of organizations that I think

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Speaker 2: Are You Okay was one of those organizations, and since

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Speaker 2: then I've been able to participate in advisory board work

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Speaker 2: and be an ambassador for what I think is a wonderful,

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Speaker 2: wonderful organization. Well this week, this Thursday, the twelfth of September,

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Speaker 2: are You Okay holding their National Day of Action ahead

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Speaker 2: of Mental Health Awareness Month next month, joining me to

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Speaker 2: talk about the whole are You Okay? Thing, how it

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Speaker 2: applies to us as adults, how it applies to our kids,

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Speaker 2: whether we should be asking them if they're okay, and

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Speaker 2: whether they should be asking their friends if they're okay.

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Speaker 2: Is Hannah Brown, doctor Hannah Brown is the campaign manager

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Speaker 2: for Education and Young People Are You Okay. In her role,

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Speaker 2: Hannah leads strategy and campaign execution to drive national awareness

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Speaker 2: and engagement with are You Okay? It all sounds so fancy,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it? In schools, universities and tastes. Through meeting young

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Speaker 2: people where they're at, Hannah strives to provide young people

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Speaker 2: Hannah's PhD came from the University of Newcastle. She's worked

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Speaker 2: in academia, research and teaching at that university And Hannah,

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Speaker 2: where does this conversation find you today?

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Speaker 1: I am working from home in Newcastle, so again an

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Speaker 1: apologies if you can hear my dogs barking away in

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Speaker 2: And then they are right on Q. All done. I

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Speaker 2: Newcastle in an absolutely fabulous spot. Okay, let's dive into this.

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Speaker 2: What does aook do?

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Speaker 1: So? Are You Okay? Is a charity with the mission

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Speaker 1: each other to see how they're doing. So it's all

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Speaker 1: about what we can do to help our friends, our classmates,

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Speaker 1: and our family to get through tough times. We want

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Speaker 2: Hanna, when you say that, one of the things that

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Speaker 2: I hear all the time. When Auoka comes up as

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Speaker 2: broad and as bold as the mission is, people consistently say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but Aoka Day is one day a year. Surely we're

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Speaker 2: supposed to be asking Auoka more often than that. How

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Speaker 2: does Auoka as an organization respond to this criticism? Because

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard it at least once.

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Speaker 1: I have. I've heard it many times. In fact, when

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Speaker 1: I started this in this role about a year ago,

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Speaker 1: I had multiple family members ask, well, so what do

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Speaker 1: No, but we do work all throughout the year. And

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Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to wait until the twelfth

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Speaker 2: In just a sec we're going to talk about where

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Speaker 2: the kids should be asking one another if they're okay,

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Speaker 2: Families podcast today. Hannah, we've been speaking about where are

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Speaker 2: You Okay? Has come from, how we're supposed to be

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Speaker 2: That's all the matters, all right, Very good. I know

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Speaker 2: love to know from an aook organizational perspective, what advice

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Speaker 1: And it's not up to kids to fix a friend's problem.

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Speaker 1: As I said before, you know, you don't have to

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Speaker 2: Hannah really appreciate the conversation. I think there's so much

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Speaker 2: who are honestly not okay. If that is the case,

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Speaker 2: where would are You Okay? Recommend they reach out for help.

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Speaker 1: There's some really great support services in Australia. So there's

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Speaker 1: you can go to the Kids' Helpline website or give

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Speaker 2: campaign manager for Education and Young People at Are You Okay?

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Speaker 2: Hannah some really important useful information ahead of Thursday's National

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Speaker 2: Day of Action for Are You Okay? Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for joining on the Happy Families Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: We will link to as many resources as we can

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Speaker 2: Action Are You Okay Day. The Happy Families Podcast is

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