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Speaker 1: Allegedly assaulted. Good morning to you, Chris.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Chris.

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Speaker 1: Mate just talked me through.

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Speaker 3: So was it your is your daughter one of the

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Speaker 3: officers and your wife is also one of the police officers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct, Katie. So my wife is a current

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Speaker 2: serving member, she's been on the job for about three years.

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Speaker 2: And my daughter has only just graduated from the police

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Speaker 2: Academy at the end of the month, so she's only

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Speaker 3: Mate, When I realized that, look, it horrifies me that

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Speaker 3: any of those off duty officers were assaulted, But when

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Speaker 3: I realized that one of them was actually a brand

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Speaker 3: new recruit, like, it made me feel really upset. I thought,

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine what she must have been feeling like,

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Speaker 3: given the fact that she would have felt the elation

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's exactly right. Yah, So Charlie, Charlie graduated.

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Speaker 2: Just Keena's ha been and she's ready. She's ready to

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Speaker 2: go down to Alice Springs and serve the community. Jenny,

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Speaker 2: Jenny drove down to Alice with her from Darwin to

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Speaker 2: settle her in and yeah, this this very very unfortunate

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Speaker 2: events has unfolded. It's not it's not affecting her decision

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Speaker 2: to remain with the Northern Territory Police. She she is

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Speaker 2: absolutely determined to continue her career. But yeah, what a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know what, I'm really pleased to hear

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Speaker 3: that that it's not deterred her. What an absolute little

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Speaker 3: the right decision here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, that's and that's that's yeah, you would assume.

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Speaker 2: So okay, do you look? My girls a territory tough. Also,

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Speaker 2: we're a police family. I'm an ex police sergeant from

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Speaker 2: Queensland and my kids and my wife will with me

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Speaker 2: through my service in remote indigenous communities. And and she

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Speaker 2: and me, So Charlie knows what to expect. They have

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Speaker 2: to say they weren't attacked on the street because they

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Speaker 2: were police. It was an opportunist. It was an opportunist

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Speaker 2: seriously assault them. Both well speed the graphic details unless

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Speaker 2: you want me to go into it, but Charlie has

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Speaker 2: ongoing injuries, having been stomped on and kicked in the head,

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Speaker 2: so I suspect she's got a broken nose, and she's

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Speaker 2: I want to get checked over with Charlie. But I

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Speaker 2: mean Jenny, Jenny didn't escape unscape either. She I'm sorry

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry for the description, but this is just what happened,

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Speaker 2: and Charlie's Charlie's come to her mum's aid, as you

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Speaker 2: She was set upon by at least six of them,

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Speaker 2: and they've absolutely pummeled her on the ground. They've also

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Speaker 2: continued to assault my wife. There was a male police

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Speaker 2: as well for himself and and I guess once the

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Speaker 2: in a really nice diamond ring, Charlie's phone and yeah,

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Speaker 1: Chris.

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Speaker 3: I've got tears in my eyes listening to that for

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Speaker 3: a like, for a whole lot of reasons, like to me,

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Speaker 3: like I cannot believe that they have that they have

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Speaker 3: like you've pointed out, they were not targeted because they

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Speaker 2: No, they didn't have a chance, Katie. So the group

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Speaker 2: purely they had to go into into you know, self preservation.

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Speaker 2: These practice well made. It's it could have been. It

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Speaker 2: much worse. And I'm so glad that it's not. But

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Speaker 2: you know, while whilst they were up at up at

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Speaker 2: She just had her she just had her arm broken

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Speaker 2: so the place of the war zone, Katie, it sits

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Speaker 2: it's this Al Springs show has just brought some very

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Speaker 2: I believe that the Indigenous community down there are just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Chris, tell me how how are your girls

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Speaker 1: How is Charlie and how's Jenny?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, they're much they're much better now, Thanks for asking.

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Speaker 2: As as I said, Charlie has some some ongoing issues

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Speaker 2: they're both they're both still shaken. Nobody's really had much sleep,

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Speaker 2: but you know they're recovering. They're they're territory top. They

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Speaker 2: they are the epitome of what police officers should be.

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Speaker 2: They're they're dedicated, they're kind, they're courteous, they just want

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Speaker 2: I've had the dad conversation with Charlie and also the

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Speaker 2: She's worked too hard to just to just throw it away.

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Speaker 2: It can happen to anyone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, look, how are you feeling about them

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Speaker 2: I had My initial response was that I wanted to

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Speaker 2: I was going to tell the commissioner. As wonderful as

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Speaker 2: say the Northern Turkey Police response, from the executive, from

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Speaker 2: the Police Association has offered assistance where they need to. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and look, Katie, we are very fortunate to be part

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Speaker 2: going through what we've been through. Now that I'm no

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Speaker 2: I've unfortunately just you know, fallen into now a group

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Speaker 1: What do you think needs to change?

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Speaker 2: Oh well, Katie, look, I could talk all day on this.

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Speaker 2: From experience across Australia, they are a very very robust

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Speaker 2: the moment, for children above ten to fourteen years old,

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Speaker 2: then they do. They catch a lot of juveniles, trust me,

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Speaker 2: they literally give them a blue and white taxi home. Okay. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about throng kids in Jahul and talking

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Speaker 2: so that they can talk to their victims, you know,

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Speaker 2: Alice has a lot of really really underlying social issues.

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Speaker 2: And I listen intently to Senator just into nampagm for price,

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Speaker 2: and she she's speaking clearly, and she's speaking thoroughly on

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Speaker 2: And I just really wish that this Northern Territory government

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Speaker 2: empower the commissioner to be able to empower his crew,

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Speaker 2: give him the legislation so that they can take appropriate action,

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Speaker 2: because you know, without the lawmakers giving the police the laws,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, they're as busy as one legged

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Speaker 2: They are busy, and as far as I'm concerned, Katie,

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Speaker 2: they need to they need to start taking the handcuffs

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Speaker 2: off the police and putting them on offenders. Like I said,

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Speaker 2: it's not about locking up kids, it's about dealing with

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Speaker 2: them appropriately. Because the absolute grubs that assaulted my family,

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Speaker 2: I can guarantee you went through they've probably been through

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Speaker 2: the Dolly incompact rule and have escaped any kind of

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Speaker 2: accountability for their actions and bread it's bread or it's

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Speaker 2: breeding a generation of kids. They just know that they

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Speaker 1: And it's not okay. It is not okay.

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Speaker 3: What happened to your wife, to your daughter, to the

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Speaker 3: other two officers is not okay. Chris, I really thank

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Speaker 3: you for your time this morning. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for having a chat with me. But more than anything,

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Speaker 3: please pass on our care and best wishes to your

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Speaker 3: family to those other police officers. I mean, I said

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Speaker 3: the same to Nathan Finn when we had him on

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Speaker 3: earlier in the week. We appreciate the work that our

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Speaker 3: Northern Territory Police do and you know you've already said

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Speaker 3: that your daughter, Charlie is territory tough, but goodness me,

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Speaker 3: she sounds like my kind of girl, getting back out

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Speaker 3: there and still doing that job despite what has gone on.

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Speaker 3: What an absolute legend to all of those offices. But

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Speaker 3: particularly the fact that she has literally just graduated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, look, thank you, thank you very much, Katie.

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Speaker 2: I'll definitely pass that on. Yep, she's a tough little nugget.

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Speaker 2: It's not how many times you get knocked down, it's

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Speaker 2: how many times you get back up. And we will

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Speaker 2: we will proceed.

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Speaker 1: On that absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Chris, thank you, I appreciate your time, and yeah, we'll

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Speaker 3: talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 2: Absolute pleasure. Thank you for your tom Thank you,