WEBVTT - Is ‘I’d Prefer Not’ Passive Aggressive or Polite? 😕

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a very important question for you miss through me please.

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<v Speaker 2>It involves language and intention. If somebody uses the phrase

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<v Speaker 2>I prefer not to, is that passive, aggressive or polite?

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<v Speaker 2>Go with your gut to begin with then we can

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<v Speaker 2>unpack later on.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say, right off the gut, Right off the gut,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's Is it like passive?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it passive?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it quite aggressive in nature? Or polite?

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<v Speaker 1>It depends on who's saying it, But my gut would say.

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<v Speaker 2>Just generally, because we're not it's a phrase.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's polite then, but I don't hear it

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<v Speaker 1>much in our colloquial language system in Australia Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about it before because, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I love language. I love figure out different ways to communicate,

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<v Speaker 2>and I find myself being hyper aware of when language

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<v Speaker 2>isn't making sense. So, for example, today I asked you,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want a coffee? And you said I'm good,

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<v Speaker 2>And it reminded me of a time where my childhood

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<v Speaker 2>best friend's mum asked me if I want some food

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, no, I'm good. She said is that

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<v Speaker 2>a yes or a no? And I said it's a nose.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, okay, then say no, thank you, and I

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<v Speaker 2>said she's right because I'm good. Yes. Colloquially, we kind

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<v Speaker 2>of know it means thank you for asking me. But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want any But does it?

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<v Speaker 3>Were you an impolite child?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it wasn't, but it just different households. Like when

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<v Speaker 2>you're eleven and you go to your friend's house, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in my house, the most impolite thing you'd

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<v Speaker 2>do would decline food and decline conversation. But in other households,

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<v Speaker 2>to impose conversation onto the parent would be impolite.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, children that are just a little too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, too comfortable calling them by their first name and

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<v Speaker 2>all of these things, right, Like I call my mom

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<v Speaker 2>by my first by her first name because we're buddy

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<v Speaker 2>is now, But culturally that's very impolite, right, you call

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<v Speaker 2>everybody auntie uncle, right, And so with I'd prefer not to.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking of a conversation that I had had

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<v Speaker 2>with someone and they were asking me if I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to go somewhere, and this was like an acquaintance, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>like a party friend or something, and I thought about

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<v Speaker 2>it and I was like, I just prefer not to.

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<v Speaker 2>And I could tell by their face what I was

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<v Speaker 2>communicating as polite was coming across quite impolite, because it

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<v Speaker 2>was a place that I knew that the people there

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<v Speaker 2>aren't quite nice, and it's always been of like hubub

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<v Speaker 2>to go in and it's just the whole thing. So

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<v Speaker 2>if we, if we, if you really want to go,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go, but I would just prefer not to. So

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<v Speaker 2>what did you say again, I just prefer not to,

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon and the whole Like in my head it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was the most honest, succinct way to say it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I could just tell by their face it sounded like,

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<v Speaker 2>stop asking me to do dumb things. Your body gumb back.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like when you don't want to sign up

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<v Speaker 1>to an email when you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Like on a website. I prefer not to, prefer not to.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Australian's use of language is unlike like obviously

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<v Speaker 1>every country, every place in the world has it differently,

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<v Speaker 1>but like our sense of humor is so obvious in

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<v Speaker 1>the way that we speak yeah, in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>huh yeah, like like for example, yeah nah oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like to very Australianized Australians who have

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<v Speaker 2>like assimilated into aquaculture.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, aquaculture, let's define it like that. The mate v

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<v Speaker 1>khunt paradox is a big one, a very it's a

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<v Speaker 1>very kind of like a course, these things very much suit,

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<v Speaker 1>like a very coarse accent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but also I know what people I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>the sea word. I like, I'm vehemently opposed to it

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<v Speaker 2>because I know that people do it for shock value.

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<v Speaker 2>We have been so indoctrinated into appropriate speech that to

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<v Speaker 2>use the sea word, you know what you're doing. You

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<v Speaker 2>want to appear like I'm just an anarchist, like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really care, or we say whatever. Especially Australians interacting

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<v Speaker 2>with people who aren't Australian. They think it's such a

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<v Speaker 2>sit of being cool and quirky. Even my friends do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you think you're a big dog and it's

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<v Speaker 2>coming across so grootty.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wouldn't say it. I try to say it

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<v Speaker 1>with other people that say it. Obviously I say it

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm here, but I try to. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels, it feels. I'm obviously very desensitized to it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I almost think it's cute, but I can see,

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<v Speaker 1>but I will be conscious of who I use it around,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know for some people it isn't cute. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but like around the house, throw it around, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, really yeah, yeah, it'd be crazy about that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think It's like I feel like I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>a TikTok, which is like Australians say sure when like sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>Americans say sure, whereas Australian say yeah, no worries, no worries,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Americans like, what the fuck is that? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no stress, It's like no stress.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think like you saying I prefer not to

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of like, it don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds so indirect, like so passive aggressive, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>actually so direct, like I'm saying exactly what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I would prefer not to. It's not a no. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you ask me, do you want to eat again?

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<v Speaker 2>I prefer not to. But if we're going out to dinner, like.

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<v Speaker 1>More it sounds like British or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, perhaps not to.

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<v Speaker 2>But the more that I the more that I speak,

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<v Speaker 2>the well I use language. I just don't feel like

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<v Speaker 2>we're using colloquial language. Well. I think it gets to

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<v Speaker 2>a point of obsolescence where what we're saying has no

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<v Speaker 2>meaning outside of the context people who understand, like the

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<v Speaker 2>drink is drinking funny. It's transcended so far out of

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<v Speaker 2>the realm of normal sense that I don't think people

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<v Speaker 2>realize that they don't know how to speak anymore, and

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<v Speaker 2>so when they're encountering plain speech, it's far more cryptic

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<v Speaker 2>then me. Then for me to say that out for eats,

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<v Speaker 2>I say, I see, I see, so you know exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying there. But if I said you know, so,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a I prefer not to You're like, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's like it's like an inside joke, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of language.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what I'm saying. It should be an inside joke,

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<v Speaker 2>but now it's transcended people. You know, they're doing the

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<v Speaker 2>millennials gen z in the workplace memes because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that we're aware of communication as a tool, like

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<v Speaker 2>you should be trying to speak in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>when the message lands with the recipient, it's understood. And

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like a lot of us don't take that care.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also different across like where you are and

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<v Speaker 1>who you're speaking to, right, so like.

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<v Speaker 2>It should be, but I don't think it is. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like like you said, with the C word, I would

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<v Speaker 2>take care to not say it in front of certain people. Fantastic, yes, fantastic,

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that what ends up happening is and

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<v Speaker 2>this is a slight caveat that people forget that language

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<v Speaker 2>is to help people understand you, not to exclude them,

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<v Speaker 2>and it goes for most like speaking in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that's far too academic, or speaking a way that's just

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<v Speaker 2>like almost too sarcastic. Like all of this distance is

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<v Speaker 2>the person from like getting involved. But that the situation

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about in particular was such an interesting one

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<v Speaker 2>because I was like, I don't know how to say

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<v Speaker 2>this any I can say it differently, but I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>if you would if she would believe me in that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a way that like if I was if

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<v Speaker 1>I felt the same sentiment as you and I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to say it, I would I would go the root

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<v Speaker 1>of like putting it back on myself.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd be like, oh, honor, I reckon like honor? What

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<v Speaker 3>would I even say if.

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<v Speaker 2>I, let's say, I'm trying to like we have plans

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<v Speaker 2>to go somewhere somewhere dinner, drinks, bar, whatever, and you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh what about this place and you're like really excited

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<v Speaker 2>by it? Or what if I'm like oh what about

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<v Speaker 2>this place? And I'm like, oh what at this and

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, of all places you want to go that

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<v Speaker 2>it sits quite low.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, what would you say?

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say, Oh, I actually reckon, Like my voice goes

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<v Speaker 1>up mmmmm when I'm like trying, and I'll put it

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<v Speaker 1>back on myself.

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<v Speaker 2>And say, what, oh I reckon?

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like, have you been to this place? Mmm?

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<v Speaker 2>The deflect?

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<v Speaker 3>What would you do Brookie? Leave bruise out of this one?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Only one person must be implicated at a time here

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<v Speaker 1>on the Flex and Fim Show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's tricky though, because plain speech is not considered plain

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<v Speaker 2>and convoluted language. We're assuming we understand, but do we

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<v Speaker 2>really do?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what?

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<v Speaker 2>Though, I must say, when I saw this, it just

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<v Speaker 2>made me think, you know those tests that you have

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like yes, no to say.

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<v Speaker 1>I always thought it was so passive aggressive, prefer not

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<v Speaker 1>to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I guess it's one of those things where we

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<v Speaker 2>don't say it. We might read the phrase, but you're

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<v Speaker 2>not saying I'd prefer not to.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like pleading the fifth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like what pleading the fifth?

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<v Speaker 3>What's that?

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<v Speaker 2>Education?

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<v Speaker 3>One final thing?

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<v Speaker 2>And of course.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like how website nowadays are talking as people

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<v Speaker 1>like I'll go on like I think it's like pretty

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<v Speaker 1>little things and they're like, hey, Dole, I'm like, you're

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<v Speaker 1>blurring the lines. Like I need you to communicate properly

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<v Speaker 1>and then use the internet like the US use the

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<v Speaker 1>common everyday man use the internet.

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<v Speaker 3>It makes the.

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<v Speaker 2>Issue with inclusion. We can't all but using the same languish.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's interesting because right, like, imagine being a non

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<v Speaker 2>native English speaker babes. Yeah, the average English speakers barely

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<v Speaker 2>have a grip on what they're communicating. And why if

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<v Speaker 2>I if I said, explain to your mum what it

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<v Speaker 2>gives means.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she'd be having a hard time, But.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd be having a hard time.

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<v Speaker 3>What does it gives me? Yeah, I couldn't even tell you.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't even tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the definition of a club word.

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<v Speaker 2>And it needs to stay in its in its little ecosystem.

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<v Speaker 3>You're really gonna push myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it when I'm like, I find it easier

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<v Speaker 1>to be more discerning with my words when I'm writing,

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<v Speaker 1>which is something I often say to you. But even

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<v Speaker 1>the things that you and I say on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a particular language that listeners would know now

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<v Speaker 1>because they've been listening to us since the inception. Knock knock,

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<v Speaker 1>nudge nudge. Friends, you can always go back into the discography.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I like that you like language because it's

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<v Speaker 1>something that we use that we don't really think about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but what's the point lacking language? Even nobody misstad

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<v Speaker 2>trying to communicate. God, I've had a good crid ages.

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<v Speaker 3>I get on it. I can kick you onto the

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<v Speaker 3>tape of fields.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I want one, like an emotional one like at

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<v Speaker 2>my quarm No, no, take it back.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like when I was like a few months ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I really want to like have a crush and like

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<v Speaker 1>get my heart broken.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I'll take it back you.

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<v Speaker 2>With flex and frooms. Actually, bye, Keita, flex and frooms.

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<v Speaker 2>Flex and frooms. Am I the asshole for giving my

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<v Speaker 2>new boss difficult feedback? This is the question we're answering

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<v Speaker 2>today on flex and frooms. Listen to this. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a new boss. They're about four months in. She's very experienced,

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<v Speaker 2>though not in our specific industry, but her skills are

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<v Speaker 2>very transferred car and I can see why she got

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<v Speaker 2>the job. I think when she gets a bit more

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<v Speaker 2>specific experience here, she'll be very good. And I have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of respect for her at the moment, though,

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<v Speaker 2>she's still in a watch and learn mode and is

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<v Speaker 2>shadowing us and asking our opinions on things, which is

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<v Speaker 2>better than arrogantly assuming she knows better than people who've

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<v Speaker 2>done it here for years. I'm pleased she's here and

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<v Speaker 2>I want to support her. We've just had a team meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end, she asked her feedback on her performance

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<v Speaker 2>and anything she should start or stop.

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<v Speaker 3>Slippery slope.

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<v Speaker 1>Never like me when I wanted people to send in

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<v Speaker 1>the annoying words that we use.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, never.

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<v Speaker 2>Once, everybody else was really effusive.

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<v Speaker 3>Friendly easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Effusive is to be friendly and easy and polite.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I like say it says showing or expressing gratitude, pleasure,

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<v Speaker 2>or approval in an unrestrained or heartfelt manner. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Holding here alike in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Everyone else was really effusive about her people skills

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<v Speaker 2>and how she's making an effort to learn all the processes,

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<v Speaker 2>but no real constructive feedback. I decided to be open

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<v Speaker 2>and honest and I said I agreed about her people skills,

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<v Speaker 2>but I thought that she needed to become more decisive

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<v Speaker 2>about some things, more general transferable things, and stop trying

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<v Speaker 2>to always seek a consensus because it was making our

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<v Speaker 2>meetings take too long. She looked a bit upset initially,

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<v Speaker 2>but then ask some questions about what I said and

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<v Speaker 2>summarized her understanding. I thought the message had got through

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<v Speaker 2>and I felt she would try and act on the feedback.

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<v Speaker 2>Since then, my colleagues had been angry with me and

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<v Speaker 2>said I was trying to bully her and was being

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<v Speaker 2>totally unreasonable given how long she's been here. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I was answering her a quest for feedback in good faith,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm now worried that I wasn't due to her response.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I the asshole? Listen here?

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<v Speaker 1>If feedback is asked, feedback must be given. It's better

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<v Speaker 1>to do it in this forum. Then let stuff build up,

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<v Speaker 1>and then do it in a way that's not professional.

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<v Speaker 1>You can hide behind the guise of professionalism and inverted

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<v Speaker 1>commas constructive feedback.

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<v Speaker 3>Just always with these.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of things, I would think about, is the impact

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<v Speaker 1>on you worth sharing? Because people don't like to change,

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<v Speaker 1>and people in positions of power don't like to be wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would just think about yourself. Don't think about

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<v Speaker 1>quick retribution, don't think about a little sting because at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, they've got the power over you,

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<v Speaker 1>and so to appease the boss is what I would

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<v Speaker 1>do if I'm just thinking about myself and not the

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<v Speaker 1>workers around me. Because something you might want to do

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<v Speaker 1>if everyone's getting mistreated is take one for the team

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<v Speaker 1>and call it out. But what does that make you firable?

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<v Speaker 3>Join your union? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Look, have I said it before, I'll say it again.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody likes feedback. Nobody likes advice, even if they've asked

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<v Speaker 2>for it. It's just the way it works. You might

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<v Speaker 2>be open to hearing it a bit of storytelling, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of fun. People like sharing thoughts when people

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<v Speaker 2>share thoughts, but feedback specifically, no, because, as you said,

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<v Speaker 2>it puts someone in a position where they feel as

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<v Speaker 2>that they need to defend themselves or justify themselves, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's never good. In this instance, it was requested, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and you'd be foolish not to take the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>just get it out. Her coworkers think it's too soon,

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<v Speaker 2>But like you said, for me, if not now, then when,

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<v Speaker 2>If not now, then when? Because it's not something that

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<v Speaker 2>she's aware of, she could switch it up today and

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<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, I didn't know you guys wanted that. Amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I can change now, and if it's something that she's

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<v Speaker 2>not aware of, then fantastic. It's something we can work

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<v Speaker 2>towards and build. I would say. In this instance, though,

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<v Speaker 2>it is a slippery slope managing upwards. Yeah, because once

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<v Speaker 2>you start, you don't stop. Now you're the capable employee,

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<v Speaker 2>she's gonna be leaning on you, asking for what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think and what do you want to do? And

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<v Speaker 2>what should we do next? And let's call on this

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<v Speaker 2>person again. And now you're sharing the role when.

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<v Speaker 1>The other employee would just go along with it and enjoy,

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<v Speaker 1>vibe and reap the.

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<v Speaker 3>Benefits of your pushing forward.

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<v Speaker 2>So exactly like Frumi said, think about yourself, be selfish,

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<v Speaker 2>think best case scenario. As every action that you take

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<v Speaker 2>in life determines the role you play. So now that

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<v Speaker 2>you've stepped up and you've decided that you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the person who says things when people won't, it's

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<v Speaker 2>now the role that you've been bestowed.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you can take it back. You can take

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<v Speaker 3>it back.

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<v Speaker 2>It's early days, you can take it back. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to continue, then it becomes your role and

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<v Speaker 2>then it gets boring.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just enjoy your life. Just enjoy your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Love.

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<v Speaker 3>This is flex and frooms.

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<v Speaker 2>Frumi has an announcement for us.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where Panama is. I've never been good

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<v Speaker 1>at geography. And did I ever take a history lesson?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing the creative arts and also home eck, and.

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<v Speaker 3>It shows that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm same though.

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<v Speaker 3>What is homemaking creative arts?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Well mine was more learning how to be a waiter, learning.

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<v Speaker 3>How to about coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>Year twelve, learn how to be a waiter and make.

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<v Speaker 2>Coffee on campus on the school ground.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people heapsfield do home ach.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like a typical subject.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I didn't do very well at it. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>my teacher and I had a love hate relationship, like

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<v Speaker 1>you could tell that she thought I was really funny,

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<v Speaker 1>but she also despised me. I really send her to

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<v Speaker 1>the end of her tether. But I got her a

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<v Speaker 1>president at the end of the year. So did you

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<v Speaker 1>get a maybe a candle? It's kind of hard buying

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<v Speaker 1>a present for a teacher.

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<v Speaker 3>I said.

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<v Speaker 2>Freeman's got an announcer for us. You start talking about Panama,

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<v Speaker 2>I met meeting morning being a morning person.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a setup.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody listening listening, particularly you FLEXI. I have recently become

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<v Speaker 1>a morning person.

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<v Speaker 2>How many days inn't we are?

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<v Speaker 3>Two weeks? That is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>For the past eight years, I have.

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<v Speaker 3>Not woken up before eight am.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's still the morning though.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, for example, when I worked a full time job,

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<v Speaker 1>I would get up eight at the earliest because I

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<v Speaker 1>lived a two minute walk from work. Right, So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting up, getting into the office at nine, then hanging

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<v Speaker 1>around getting a coffee, then getting into the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's pretty brief.

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<v Speaker 2>So like a super morning person because I would start

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<v Speaker 2>waking up at nine and call myself a morning person.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty super. What time did you wake up? Four point thirty? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, employment exactly what I'm saying is, yeah, people have

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<v Speaker 1>full time jobs that want to get stuff done before work.

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<v Speaker 2>Particularly have a full time job.

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<v Speaker 1>People who work regular office hours that have to commute

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<v Speaker 1>to an office and have a boss.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're looking at her. I look at myself every night.

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<v Speaker 3>You're foiling me.

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<v Speaker 2>You go home with your.

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<v Speaker 3>Bus, No, I hear me, hear me?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but then why I don't know It's like something

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<v Speaker 1>came over me. And I've just been getting up. My

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<v Speaker 1>alarm's been going off at six ' ten every morning,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've been trotting down, hobbling down to watch the sunset.

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<v Speaker 1>Wherever I live, I get a coffee stocks myself and half,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've just been sitting down having my coffee in

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<v Speaker 1>the sunrise. I give myself two hours. I read a book,

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<v Speaker 1>I write notes, I rehearse for things. I get a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of thoughts that come to me. I don't bring

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<v Speaker 1>my phone. I got for a dip and I frolic

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<v Speaker 1>in the ocean. Oh, for about twenty minutes. It's good

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<v Speaker 1>exercise as well, going up the waves, going down the waves.

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<v Speaker 3>And I have never in my life had I've got energy.

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<v Speaker 1>You do, don't I. I must say, for the first

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<v Speaker 1>year of being here at Cata, I was giving disheveled.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously there's still a bit of a mess abounds, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I energetically far less disheveled.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh for sure, actually know what's happening now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just want to say not all hope is

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<v Speaker 1>lost if you're not a morning person. But I also

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to foist morning person propaganda onto people who

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<v Speaker 1>aren't because for my whole life getting up at ten

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<v Speaker 1>for the last year, people, you know, friends are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're up early if I get up before eight, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you're being passive aggressive, respectfully, like just because you want

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<v Speaker 1>to get up early. This is my lifestyle. So I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to say, I'm really enjoying myself and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>teaching myself that you can always make new habits good

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<v Speaker 1>or bad.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no pious leave the door open.

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<v Speaker 1>There should be no piousness attached to getting up at six,

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<v Speaker 1>because the minute that I start putting restrictions on myself

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<v Speaker 1>and making this a part of my personality is the

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<v Speaker 1>minute it doesn't become fun. I'm coming into this with curiosity,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what you should do with most new endeavors.

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