1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: Growing up, Molly Taylor's dream was to represent Australia in 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: equestrian at the Olympics. But oh how that all changed 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: when she went to get her driver's license at age sixteen. 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: Her parents encouraged her to do a defensive driving course 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: and once she got in that car, the rest was history. 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: It was from that moment that Molly fell in love 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: with motorsport, becoming the first and only woman to have 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: won the Australian Rally Car Championship back in twenty sixteen. 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: Now Molly Race is in the International off road Racing 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: Series Extreme E and is a twenty twenty one series champion. 11 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Female Athlete Project. I'm Sophie the 12 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: producer here at TEFAPP and this week Chloe sits down 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: with Molly Taylor, or as you might know her, Molly 14 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: Rally As per her Instagram, the Australian rally car driver 15 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: is paving the way for more we to get involved 16 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: in motorsport from a younger age and what better time 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: to catch up with Molly than just a week out 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: from when she competes in the Race of Champions in 19 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: Sydney on March seven. We hope you enjoy this episode, 20 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: and if you're driving while listening, just don't channel your 21 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: inner Molly on your morning commute. 22 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: Molly Taylor, Welcome to the Female Athlete Project. 23 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. 24 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 4: I feel like we've been talking about this for a while, 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 4: so it's nice to finally be here in studio. 26 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: Yes, very nice and also funny because when I went 27 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 2: to say your name, I always just call you Molly Rally. 28 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 5: I feel like that just be calling your name. 29 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny sometimes. 30 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, when people ask you for your email address or 31 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 4: something like that and like, yeah, I think Rally is 32 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 4: my name. 33 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 5: You very cool. 34 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: I think I did that, you know, back when I 35 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: thought it was cool. 36 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: I feel like that's part of the whole thing as 37 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: an athlete, right building your brand. 38 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 3: Says what it does on the tune. 39 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 5: I guess yes, I think it's smart. I read it. 40 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 5: I don't know it. 41 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: I think it's good. 42 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 3: Good Today. 43 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: You've just we're recording this back end of twenty twenty four, 44 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: but you've just recently announced that you're going to be 45 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: racing in the Race of Champions, which is like incredible 46 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: the lineup of drivers that are going to be in 47 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: this event. Can you tell US a bit more about it. 48 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's an event they run every year and 49 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 4: they take it all around the world, so it's the 50 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 4: first time that it'll ever come to Australia, which is 51 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 4: big for motorsport in itself. But they do it inside 52 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 4: a stadium, so they'll actually build a racetrack inside their 53 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 4: course stadium in Homebush, so you can you can sit. 54 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 3: Down like you're like you're a footy match, watch the 55 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: whole thing. 56 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 4: And then it's head to head knock out racing and 57 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 4: they pick champions of all different disciplines from all over 58 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 4: the world. So you've got like Sebastian Federal coming in, 59 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 4: Mick Schumacher, You've got Travis Pastrana from the US coming, 60 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 4: You're home Christopherson, seven time World rallycross champion coming, Sebastian Lobe, 61 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 4: who's been my rally idol. So kind of like who's 62 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 4: who the biggest names of motorsport you can think of, 63 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 4: And then they have a Nation's Cup, so you race first, 64 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 4: so we'll be racing in Team Australia and then you 65 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 4: have an individual data well, so yeah, it's a really 66 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 4: exciting motorsport festival. I suppose where you have all these 67 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 4: different drivers from all different backgrounds, all in a stadium. 68 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: That's been very cool. Yeah, this is probably a silly question, 69 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: but in a stadium it's not very big, like they've. 70 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: Very high turns. 71 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be like it'll sort of go back on 72 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 4: itself and yeah, I mean they don't have the exact 73 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 4: design yet, but yeah. Yeah, so to be quite technical 74 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 4: y twisting normally they put in a jump and some 75 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 4: cool stuff. So yeah, it's all about creating a cool spectacle. Okay, Yeah, 76 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 4: it'll be kind of I mean cool as a driver 77 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 4: as well to compete in that stadium, especially coming from 78 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 4: rallying off road, because we're normally out in the middle 79 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 4: of nowhere. 80 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: Yes, so this different to be surrounded by a spectator 81 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: so close to you. 82 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 83 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 4: I think the atmosphere will be incredible, and that's I 84 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 4: think one of the magic things about it. You have 85 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 4: all these really high profile drivers come and battle it 86 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 4: out in front of a crowd like that. So yeah, 87 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 4: it's something that I think is going to be very 88 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 4: very special. 89 00:03:58,360 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: That's awesome. 90 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's surreal to be invited to be able 91 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: to join drivers like that. 92 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: What kind of cars are you driving in it? 93 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: So they have a bunch of different cars. 94 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 4: I haven't even announced all the different cars that will drive, 95 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 4: so they normally have a selection of different cars, different 96 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 4: types of cars, so it's not like you're driving anything 97 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 4: that you know, one particular driver is used to. They 98 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 4: just bring in a whole heap of cars or I. 99 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: Have no say yeah you wow. 100 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 4: So all the cars will be they'll have you know, 101 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 4: maybe four or five different types of cars, and they'll 102 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 4: have identical cars in each category, so you'll be racing 103 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 4: head to head in the same vehicle, but you might 104 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 4: go from like a can am sort of buggy into 105 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 4: a real drive sports car into some sort of open car. 106 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 4: So it just it depends. 107 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that's the other challenge. 108 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 4: It's you know, throwing just drivers out of their wheelhouse 109 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 4: and everyone into this stadium gladiator environment and just you 110 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 4: know testing drivers skill, you know, like a really raw level. 111 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 2: So how much does your prep change when there's multiple 112 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: diferent times to cars. 113 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's one of the things I suppose, 114 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 4: like any motorsport, is preparation and training. It's really hard 115 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 4: to get seat time, so that's you know, you don't 116 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 4: get a hard press, you have a will have a 117 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 4: test session to sort of get to groups with each 118 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 4: car quickly, but then really you're out. Then you're out 119 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 4: attacking packing it. So that's kind of like most of 120 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 4: the motorsports stuff. You have some test days, but they're 121 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 4: very limited, so you kind of have to learn on 122 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 4: the fly very quickly. 123 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: And is that like a technical thing, like what what 124 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: is the reason behind that? 125 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 4: Mostly money most of the motorsport really, Yeah, it comes 126 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 4: down to that just because like the resources to get 127 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 4: the cars, to get the crews, the development the locations 128 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 4: to do a test day is inherently expensive, okay, so 129 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 4: they limit the amount to try and keep costs down, 130 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 4: you know. So it's not just a team with the 131 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 4: most money that can afford to go and do a 132 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 4: test day every week can evidently be ahead of a 133 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 4: team that can only do three test sessions a year. 134 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 4: So they try and read like that. It's definitely a 135 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 4: challenge for the drivers, and so much about when you're 136 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 4: coming up through the levels and staying on top of 137 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 4: your game is how you can get seat time or 138 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 4: replicate seat time to try and make sure you're as 139 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 4: fresh as possible. But it's not like footy where if 140 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 4: you're if you're way more dedicated than the next player, 141 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 4: you can. 142 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: Get an advantage by putting in an extra hour every evening. 143 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 3: In motorsport, it's really difficult to do things like that. 144 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 2: So how much time do you do in like the 145 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: simulation type driving? 146 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 4: Simulators for the type of driving I do a bit 147 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 4: tricky because we do a lot in I mean with 148 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 4: extremely the electric off road stuff. We don't see the 149 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 4: track until the Thursday before we race on. 150 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 3: The weekend, so it's impossible. You can't set up a 151 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: track on the sim because you have no idea what you're. 152 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 4: Doing, and in rally to get all the specifics right, 153 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 4: to replicate exactly what a track might look like, that 154 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 4: how the car will behave In in circle racing, they 155 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 4: can make it a lot more representative. Yes, so you 156 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 4: can kind of learn tracks and get a good idea 157 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 4: of what you're doing. Off road is a lot more tricky, 158 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 4: so we. 159 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 3: Just just wing it a lot that. 160 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Usually we go all the way back 161 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: to the start. But I'm just I'm curious about all 162 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: these things, so let's do that. Let's go back to Molly. 163 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: As a little kid, can you describe yourself, what you're like, 164 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: and how did you find yourself getting into racing. 165 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 4: I think I think I've always been competitive. I think 166 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 4: that's something that has always been there. But when I 167 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 4: was young, I loved horses and wanted to be a 168 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 4: horse rider and. 169 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: Go to the Olympics. That was my dreams a little kid. 170 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 4: I don't know where it came from, but like the 171 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 4: Man Festow River, I used to watch it on repeat 172 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 4: every weekend. 173 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 3: And my parents are involved in motorsports. 174 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 4: So my mum is a professional co driver, so they're 175 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 4: the ones that sit next to the driver in rallies 176 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 4: and give them all the information on how fast the 177 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 4: road is. 178 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: Ahead of them. So that was her job. 179 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 4: So I grew up around it and I kind of 180 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 4: just thought it was a normal thing for your mum 181 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 4: to go and do on the weekend. I love that, 182 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 4: which is pretty cool. I think that shaped my influencing 183 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 4: get involved. It was only really when I was getting 184 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 4: my license for the road that I went to a 185 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 4: rally school that my dad was running at the time, 186 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 4: just as a driver training exercise more than anything else, 187 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 4: and that was when I actually experienced driving a rally 188 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 4: car on gravel for the first time myself, and then 189 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 4: after that I kind of. 190 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 3: Clicked why they were doing it and why they loved 191 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 3: it so much, and then from there I just yeah, 192 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 3: didn't stop. 193 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: That's very cool. Was your dad getting you to go? 194 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: Like? 195 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: Did your parents push you into it or did he 196 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: genuinely want you to do? The safety part of it. 197 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: Was it was genuinely a safety there. 198 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 4: I mean there was always they never said you can't 199 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 4: do it, but they also never pushed it because they 200 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 4: know what a tough sport it is. So it was 201 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 4: always you know, if I showed an interest for it, 202 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 4: they would support it, but it was never going to 203 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 4: be pushed from them. 204 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 3: But then, you know, I think there was probably a part. 205 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 4: Of them that were a bit by the time I 206 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 4: got to sixteen and hadn't showed an interest, they were like, 207 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 4: oh damn. And then they were like, well, you need 208 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 4: to learn how to drive properly. Drive If the cast slides, 209 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 4: what do you do? So it was very much from 210 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 4: that point of view. So my sister and myself both 211 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 4: went and did it. 212 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, my sister did it. 213 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 4: And then moved on and she's a really successful barrister 214 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 4: and has no interest he in driving race cars. 215 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 3: So yeah, we both worked very very different parts. 216 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 4: But for me, having that first experience of slide in 217 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 4: a car, I was like, man, this is the best. 218 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: And coming back to your mum, was she kind of 219 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: like to hear a woman in that role, Like, was 220 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: she kind of part of a generation that pioneered the 221 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: way for women in racing or were there more women 222 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: like her in that during that time as well? 223 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 4: I think so you can look back and there's definitely 224 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 4: been some trailblazers and my mum's definitely one of those, 225 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 4: but there weren't very many. So there was an Australian 226 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 4: co driver before her, but most of the time when 227 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 4: she would go to a rally, she would be, if 228 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 4: not the only one of the very few. 229 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 3: And to do it professionally. 230 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 4: As well, she was the only one to do it yeah, 231 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 4: as her job. So for me I didn't appreciate how 232 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 4: special that was. And then when we talk talk about 233 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 4: females in immotors board and just sport more broadly, and 234 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 4: we talk about how important visibility is. That was only 235 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 4: when we started having those conversations and I was being 236 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 4: involved in by a profile motorsport that I kind of looked. 237 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 3: Back and was like, oh, yeah, that's right, that's kind 238 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 3: of cool. And she did. 239 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 4: She did that because I never I could see how 240 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 4: difficult it was and how much commitment required and all 241 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 4: of those things. 242 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 3: But I also saw what was possible. 243 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 4: So it was never when I got involved a question 244 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 4: of it's not a place for a woman. 245 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 3: It was just like, this is going to be really hard. 246 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: Do I want to do it? 247 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 2: Yes? How did she get into it? 248 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 4: Through her dad? So, my grandad and it was here 249 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 4: like a father daughter bonding thing. He was completely mad 250 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 4: and he bought a alley car and said, thorol, you 251 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 4: want to jump in? And she was eighteen and said 252 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 4: why not? And he wasn't very good, but she was 253 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 4: really good. 254 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: I love it. 255 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 4: So they crashed a lot and then mom kind of yeah, 256 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 4: moved on to more competitive pathways. 257 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 3: You do it well, all yeah, yeah. 258 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 2: That's very very cool. Okay, so you're sixteen and you 259 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: go to this safe driving course and then what. 260 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, from there, I. 261 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 4: Was actually a boarding school at the time, and the 262 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 4: president of the local car club, Paul Kennedy, signed me 263 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 4: out a boarding school on the weekend and led me 264 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 4: a car and we went and did a Motorcara, which 265 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 4: is basically on a big skid pen, so like a 266 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 4: big concrete kind of car park, and they set up 267 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 4: which is hats and it's all quite slow and you 268 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 4: just have to kind of do a certain way around 269 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 4: the witch's Hats as fast as the canton. 270 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 3: So I did that. 271 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 4: It's little Honda Civic amazed, and started doing kind of 272 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 4: grassroots stuff like that, and then progressed up to doing 273 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 4: rallies and then decided after I left school that I 274 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 4: was going to move to the UK and your rally 275 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 4: driver amazing. 276 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: What is it that you love about driving? 277 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 4: There's many things I think when I first drove, and 278 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 4: the kind of fundamental aspect of it is just the 279 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 4: like the buzz and the on rushing, that feeling when 280 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 4: you're sort of lining a car up for the corner 281 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 4: and you're sliding in and you're aiming for the apex 282 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 4: and when you can line all that together, it just 283 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 4: it's the best fun I've ever had. 284 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 3: I think. 285 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 4: Also then when you're add on top of the challenge 286 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 4: and the teamwork and you've got this whole group of 287 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 4: people around you and you're trying to navigate through all 288 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 4: these places you've never seen before or seen once, and 289 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 4: you know, to get it right is so hard. It's 290 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 4: kind of quite addictive when you get this task out 291 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 4: and then you work with all these people. You're trying 292 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 4: to get the car ready, trying to make the car better. 293 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 4: It's kind of something that you when you do you 294 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 4: can never do it perfectly. You're always trying to chase 295 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 4: that carrot a bit and I think I love that 296 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 4: aspect of it too. 297 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: While you're talking, I was thinking about the video so 298 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: recently with the cows on. 299 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 4: Well, yeah it died because it was yeah, yeah, that 300 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 4: was that was quite intense. 301 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 2: For people who have moment. Can you describe the moment? 302 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, So we were it was this year We're doing 303 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,599 Speaker 4: rally Queensland and we came around a corner in I 304 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 4: think it was in top here. We're doing about one 305 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 4: sixty at the time or something when we came around 306 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 4: the corner and there was literally a herd of cows 307 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 4: across the road, not just on a whole herd, and 308 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 4: I was going away too fast to stop, and so 309 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 4: I just yeah, like honestly, when I came around and 310 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 4: saw the cows, I thought like this car and I 311 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 4: don't know in the car either, so I was gonna 312 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 4: have to if I damaged the car, I have to 313 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 4: pay to fix. 314 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 5: It, even if it's the cow's bolt. 315 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I was coming around and I saw that, 316 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: and I'm like, I can't afford to be in this situation. 317 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 5: Six How you even had time to sin that? 318 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 3: I think in rally that's you're always you, just you 319 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: at collection. 320 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 4: But yeah, so I, yeah, obviously you started breaking as 321 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 4: fast as I could, and there was kind of a 322 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 4: bit of a gutter on the side of the road, 323 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 4: so I sort of went to the side and had 324 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 4: a wheel in the gutter, which is also pretty dangerous 325 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 4: because quite often there's like logs or bits of driveway 326 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 4: that come through, So if you'd hit something at that 327 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 4: speed in the gutter. 328 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: You would have the car would have barrow rolled. 329 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 4: So I was lucky there wasn't anything there, and we 330 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 4: kind of slid down in the gutter, and then a 331 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 4: couple of the cows moved to the side and it 332 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 4: was literally like a gap just the side of the 333 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 4: size of the car that presented itself and we managed 334 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 4: to go around. And then afterwards I was my co 335 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 4: driver actually had to start telling me to concentrate again 336 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 4: because I was laughing so hard because I just I 337 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 4: just couldn't believe I'd got away with it, because I 338 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 4: was just the whole time, as I was breaking and 339 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 4: sliding down and watching these cars, I was just like, 340 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 4: that's a rally over. It's probably the championship over. I 341 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 4: don't have enough money to fix this car. It's just 342 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 4: going to be bad. 343 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 3: And then yeah, nailed it, really absolutely nailed it. 344 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: Wait, so there's no one like around the track just 345 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: checking that there's no care Well I. 346 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: Was supposed to have been. 347 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 4: Afterwards, they put someone else there to try and make 348 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 4: cair So, I mean, that's like a very rare scenario 349 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 4: and there's a lot of kind of effort to make 350 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 4: sure that that doesn't happen. So it was very much anomaly. 351 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 4: You don't expect to see that, which is yet one 352 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 4: of the other things why it was so surprising to 353 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 4: come around the corner and be faced with that. 354 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so it's not a usual occurring. 355 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 4: No, okay, sometimes as the old kangaroo you have to dodge, 356 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 4: but yes, yeah, herd cows not so good. 357 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: I am so impressed that you were that calm. I mean, 358 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: you're a professional, so it kind of makes sense. So 359 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: you found a lot of success. You've had a significant 360 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: amount of success in your career. So going back to 361 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: two thousand and seven and two thousand and eight, how 362 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: old are you then? How old are we talking? 363 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: That would have yeah been in like eighteen Yeah. 364 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: Okay, so still like back into your teenage years. You 365 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 2: won back to back Australian Rally championships in the F 366 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: sixteen class. 367 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 368 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: What is the F sixteen class for those who don't 369 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: know racing category? 370 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was from will drive one point six 371 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: leter cars, So it's I mean in Australia. 372 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 4: And part of the reason why I then moved over 373 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 4: seas is those kind of junior categories there's not a 374 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 4: huge amount of depth, so I mean, it's good to 375 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 4: have that title, but it wasn't you know, like it 376 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 4: wasn't like there was ten twenty cars in that field. 377 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 4: And then to keep progressing up basically had to have 378 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 4: the budget to go to the top, right, whereas in 379 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 4: the UK they had a lot of what they call 380 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 4: one make series that a lot more cost controlled. So 381 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 4: that was kind of after that, it was the decision 382 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 4: to go overseas, where there's a lot more junior categories, 383 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 4: and it's kind of the mecha of rally over in 384 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 4: Europe to try and give it a plug that way. 385 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: How did it feel when you got over to give 386 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: that a crack? 387 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 3: Really scary? I felt like I hadn't thought it through 388 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: in my mind. 389 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 4: I started UNI, and then I walked out of UNI 390 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 4: and was like, I don't have time for this. 391 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 3: I'm just going to go over and see what happens. 392 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 4: I've made lots of phone calls, had lined up a 393 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 4: bunch of things, half of them fell over just before 394 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 4: I left. 395 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: Oh god. 396 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 4: And then I remember getting there just I think I 397 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 4: had a bit of like a romantic idea of what 398 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 4: this journey and chasing my dream would be. And then 399 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 4: you arrived there and it's cold, and I landed in 400 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 4: Milton Keynes, which if anyone has been to the UK 401 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 4: and been to Milton Keynes, it's not the quintessential British 402 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 4: little courage that you would imagine. And then at that 403 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 4: point realized that I was very far from home and 404 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 4: didn't know anyone, then didn't really have enough money to 405 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 4: make it all work, and was going to have to 406 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 4: try and figure it out. So it was an amazing experience, 407 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 4: but definitely quite lonely that that first year very daunting, 408 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 4: was got a bit overwhelming when it became real. 409 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 2: What is it like being part of a sport where 410 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 2: the financial constraints is so real? Like you kind of 411 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 2: touched on that example, like if you're doing footy or 412 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: another sport, like I can literally go down to the 413 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: park and kick a ball for hours and hours on end. 414 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 2: You could be the best driver in the world, but 415 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 2: you might not get your shot, Like what is that 416 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: kind of pressure? 417 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 3: Like it's a good point. It's just really tough. 418 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 419 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 4: I think it's an amazing sport and full of you know, 420 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 4: amazing people and it's such a great world to be around. 421 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 3: But it's also pretty cutthroat because. 422 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 4: You need to It's not a skill you're just you're 423 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 4: not born like a marathon runner might be genetically born 424 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 4: to have the right body type for that, and yes 425 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 4: they have to train hard, but also you're born with 426 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 4: some assets for that. With driving, it it's very much 427 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 4: a learn skill. You have to have seat time. You 428 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 4: might have a good aptitude for picking it up, but 429 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 4: you need to practice to practice. You need money cutting, 430 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 4: you need results to get money, but to get the results, 431 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 4: you need to practice. So from a lot of I mean, 432 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 4: if you look at the Formula one paddic the percentage 433 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 4: of drivers that are incredibly talented that have worked their 434 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 4: way up, but the amount of money that's been behind 435 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 4: that process to get those opportunities that is the larger 436 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 4: percentage of the drivers at the very top. So it 437 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 4: is it is a harsh reality of the sport that 438 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 4: there are a lot of really good drivers that didn't 439 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 4: get the shots that you could say they deserved. So 440 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 4: I think I sort of learned very on, very early 441 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 4: on that you have to take any opportunity, do it 442 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 4: whatever you can, you work from the ground up. But 443 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 4: also you have to think about it in a bit 444 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 4: more of like a business sense, and how you're going 445 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 4: to create these opportunities because it's not just it's not 446 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 4: just about me wanting to go and drive and have fun, 447 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 4: because there's not that. 448 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 3: I mean, I would be great. Someone just wanted to 449 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 3: pay for that. 450 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 5: If you do, let me know. 451 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 3: But it's the reality. 452 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 5: Yes, Okay, so you take this huge risk. 453 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: You move over there, you're feeling overwhelmed, what do you 454 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 2: do next? 455 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 4: I was very lucky that there was a team over 456 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 4: there that kind of took me under their wings. So 457 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 4: I was working at the workshop so but I didn't 458 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 4: have to pay them to work on the car. They 459 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 4: rented me the car for next to nothing, which I 460 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 4: don't really know how it all happened, but yeah did. 461 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 4: And when we did the first events were actually coming 462 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 4: into the final round and the last the well, there 463 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 4: was three of us and whoever won that rally would 464 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 4: win the championship, and there was some prize money, so 465 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 4: this was kind of I thought my shot to be 466 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 4: able to get some funds to continue. And then the 467 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 4: fuel punt, which is in that car like one hundred 468 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 4: and fifty dollars apart, broke with the second mustage while 469 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 4: we were leading, and it all kind of fell over. 470 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 3: So I thought, yeah, at that point that I was 471 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 3: coming back home. 472 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 4: And then there was actually another team that were just 473 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 4: a family run team that were passionate about motorsport, and 474 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 4: they kind of saw what happened and they said, here, 475 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 4: he used our CAA for a year for nothing, So 476 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 4: I yeah took that. 477 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 3: So there was so many kind. 478 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 4: Of of those stories where you'd meet someone and something 479 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 4: happens and leads to something, and then the year after 480 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 4: it was a scholarship that Prellie were running in the 481 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 4: junior WSC. So we're kind of hard to predict those moments, 482 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 4: but you had to kind of be there and take 483 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 4: one step and do something to put yourself in the 484 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 4: right place at the right time to meet someone else. 485 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: And that's kind of been the story of my career. 486 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 2: What has your experience been like as a female in motorsport? 487 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 3: Good question. 488 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 4: I think when I started, and I suppose having my 489 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 4: mum as a role model, I didn't really think too 490 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 4: much about it. It was just more about I want 491 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 4: to go out there and do the job as the driver. 492 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 4: And that's a good thing about motorsport. It's one of 493 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 4: the only sports where men and women can on an 494 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 4: equal footing, so there's no reason for it to be 495 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 4: any different. 496 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 3: I think when you go through the junior. 497 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 4: Categories, particularly like overseas, everyone wants to watch what you do, 498 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 4: and I think all the other young boys don't want 499 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 4: to get beaten by a girl, and there's a little 500 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 4: bit of that sort of banter going on in the background, 501 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 4: and so there's a lot of things I think now 502 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 4: looking back on. 503 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 3: I probably would have pulled up. But at the time 504 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 3: it was like, oh, yeah, I'm cool, it's fine, Yeah, I. 505 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: Kind of want that, except. 506 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 4: Yes, So I think looking back, there's probably a lot 507 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 4: of a lot of that, But at the same time, 508 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 4: there's was I was very lucky to have a lot 509 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 4: of good people around me, and the majority of people 510 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 4: in the sport want to see more women there, more 511 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 4: women succeed, So I think once once you're in there 512 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 4: and with the right people, there was no shortage of 513 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 4: support from that side. 514 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 2: As well, and you touched on F one and kind 515 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 2: of that percentage of drivers. There's F one Academy now 516 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: for girls. What is it? Do you think there's a 517 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: nuh being done to give more opportunities for women and girls? 518 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's so much more that's been done. 519 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 4: If I look at my career, and I often think, 520 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 4: you know, if I were starting my career now, if 521 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 4: I was ten years younger, what would the pathway be, 522 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 4: Because things like extremely for my career have changed that completely. 523 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 4: So we've made a lot of ground and I think 524 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 4: the really important thing the F one Academy is providing 525 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 4: more accessible seat time, which is so hard to find, 526 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 4: and the opportunity to develop, because you can't find out 527 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 4: where you're going to get to unless you have the 528 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 4: opportunity to develop. And also the visibility for young girls, 529 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 4: and I think that's ultimately the key because you see 530 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 4: the percentage at grassroots, and then if you look at 531 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 4: how difficult it is to make a career in motorsport 532 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 4: for anyone male or female, and if the percentage that 533 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 4: we start with the females are so small to be 534 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 4: able to find that needle in a haystack out of 535 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 4: a I have a needle in a haystack, it's going. 536 00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 3: To be you know, near and possible. 537 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 4: I think what the Academy and Extreme ME and those 538 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 4: things are doing is encouraging more girls to start off, 539 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 4: So like we're getting in the right direction, but I 540 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 4: think it's still you know, we still got to let 541 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 4: that feed through. And I don't think it's in an 542 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 4: overnight thing because it is the top handful of so 543 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 4: good and they've been crafting that for so long. 544 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, we need more. 545 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 4: A better split at the bottom of the grassroots level 546 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 4: to find the ones to come through. 547 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. Before we get into extreme E 548 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen Australian Rally Champion what was that like? 549 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 3: Sounds pretty cool. 550 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was a pretty surreal moment in my 551 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 4: career and something I never knew if it would be possible. 552 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 3: And it was my first year with Subaru. 553 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 4: It was my first year actually having a job of 554 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 4: speed a rally driver rather than just trying to find 555 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 4: all the funding and spend everything I earned on rally 556 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 4: and I was actually my job. Yeah, so that was 557 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 4: pretty surreal and for it to come together and the 558 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 4: car we were running was and the fastest in the field, 559 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 4: it was like a different bestigation for one of. 560 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 3: A better way to explain. So we were just kind 561 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 3: of the just be consistent. 562 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 4: So it was like a bit of the like really 563 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 4: underwhelming story of just you know, consistently getting points and 564 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 4: getting points and it was enough to be champions at 565 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 4: the end. 566 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 3: So it was wasn't something that we went out we 567 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 3: went out to. 568 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 4: At the start of the year with if we can 569 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 4: get top five, that'll be a really good result. And 570 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 4: I think it's probably one of those things as well 571 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 4: that just to remember when you're when you're doing your 572 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 4: sport and you think about the external outcome too much, 573 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 4: you can get distracted, whereas when you're not really thinking 574 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 4: about that. We were just doing our own thing. Yeah, 575 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 4: to come out as champions was a pretty big moment. 576 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 2: And have I got it right? You were first an 577 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 2: only woman and the youngest to ever do it. 578 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 4: My best mate Harry pipped me for the youngest now 579 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 4: because the year after you're younger than me, so at 580 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 4: that time youngest we will still that. 581 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely, we will first female driver. 582 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, And I'm conscious of, like, 583 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 2: I mean, we're called the Female Athlete Project. I'm conscious 584 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: of like not always wanting to like put those labels 585 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: and have those conversations. But I think it's a really 586 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 2: unique sport that you do in that space. Like, I 587 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: think it's it's very different to say AFL where there 588 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 2: is an AFLW competition where there's so many women who 589 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 2: are doing it. Like, I think it's quite an incredible 590 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 2: achievement what you did. 591 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's it's important from a like the 592 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 4: broader perspective for the sport to see it's possible and 593 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 4: for sponsors to see it's possible. So it's not you know, 594 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 4: you're not investing in the drivers to be there for 595 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 4: the publicity card and people say, oh, yeah, and we've 596 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 4: got a girl like to actually put in the investment 597 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 4: and see the results from a performance perspective. I think 598 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 4: that's that's really important point to be able to prove 599 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 4: for our sport and then for the younger girls watching 600 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 4: as well. But for me personally, I guess you say 601 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 4: it's not. I didn't at that moment be like, yes, I'm. 602 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 3: The first female. I was like, man, I'm just want 603 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 3: the challengeship. 604 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 605 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 4: If I'd been the second or the tenth, I don't 606 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 4: think it would have taken how special it. 607 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 2: Was Away Absolutely bears an eye on the wrap. Always 608 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: talk about Extremely and your work because we love it. 609 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: We're big fans. Pretty mental, it's cool. Can you explain 610 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: Extreme E? 611 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 3: So Extremely is relatively new. 612 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 4: It started in twenty one and it basically takes five 613 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 4: hundred and fifty horse power all electric off road SUVs 614 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 4: to remote parts of the world that have been affected 615 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 4: by climate change. And there are two drivers per team 616 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 4: and they race combined. So rather like in F one 617 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 4: where the two teammates competing against each other still on 618 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 4: the track, your session is combined with both your laps, 619 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 4: and one driver has to be male, and one driver 620 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 4: has to be female. So it's a completely new concept 621 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 4: on so many levels. So to be part of it 622 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 4: from the outset, it's been really special. But you've got 623 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 4: incredible teams and names. You've got almost half the field 624 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 4: is owned by X Formula one drivers. 625 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 3: You've got McLaren's and Ready Years, You've. 626 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 4: Got some really big drivers like some of my idols 627 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 4: in the field as well. So to be kind of 628 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 4: at that caliber of international motorsport. But also with all 629 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 4: these new technologies and trying to rather than just have 630 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 4: it about racing cars, it's how can our sport be 631 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 4: a bit more forward thinking and how can we be 632 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 4: a part of improving gender equality accessibility. There's a lot 633 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 4: more females just in general across from engineers to mechanics, 634 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 4: team managers, all of those sorts of things. And then 635 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 4: also from the climate and sustainability perspective, how all the 636 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 4: technology that we're working on and we see you on 637 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 4: the road cars and in the automotive industry, how motorsport 638 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 4: is such a part of developing that as well. So yeah, 639 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 4: it's been I suppose career changing from my perspective to 640 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 4: be involved. 641 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,239 Speaker 2: That climate change and sustainability part, because obviously it's very 642 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 2: unique and extremely how like it's such a core part 643 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: of it. Where did that come from? Like was there 644 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 2: one person that kind of wanted to change it or 645 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 2: was there a group of people that wanted to do 646 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: it differently. 647 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 4: So Alejandro agag who's the founder, He founded Formulae, the 648 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 4: Electric Circuit series, so he Yeah, and the team in 649 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 4: Extreme meet they incredible thinkers and very ambitious. I mean 650 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 4: it was a big project. So everything basically sales on 651 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 4: a ship, yeah, to each location ship right, Yeah, completely 652 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 4: purpose built cars. They're actually developing and testing the hydrogen 653 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 4: car at the moment. So from next year it'll be 654 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 4: the world's first hydrogen series, so it'll be the electric 655 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 4: motors with the hydrogen fuel cell. 656 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 2: So in Extreme Meta, yeah, it will. 657 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 4: Change to extreme h oh really yeah yeah, oh my god. 658 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 4: So it's yeah, they just want to be part of 659 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 4: change and see an opportunity as well for how Modus 660 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 4: book can be part of that. So yeah, I think 661 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 4: a lot of people when it started and when they 662 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 4: announced the plans, we're kind of like, yeah, well we'll 663 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 4: wait and see, We'll wait and see the first race happen, 664 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 4: And then that happened and have the level of drivers got. 665 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 4: Carlos Saints owns a team, Lewis Hamilton own a team 666 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 4: for a number of years, Jens vun Nico Rosberg. To 667 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 4: have these names or buying to it as well, I 668 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 4: think it says a lot about what they're trying to achieve. 669 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: And in terms of the location, so it's locations that 670 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 2: have been impacted by climate change. 671 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think we probably when you look 672 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 4: at the world, that could be any for it. 673 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 3: But yeah, the idea is to. 674 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 4: Put on really excited racing, and that wouldn't work if 675 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 4: we weren't having really excited racing. And we racing like 676 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 4: a head to head format, so there's four or five 677 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 4: cars out on the track at a time, so it's 678 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 4: absolute carnage. 679 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 3: Half the time. 680 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 4: Really good entertainment, but the whole purpose is to bring 681 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 4: it to an environment, to show our audience the real 682 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 4: impacts and to be able to educate them on you know, 683 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 4: this is like we went to Greenland and we went 684 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 4: and walked on the glaciers and you could see all 685 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 4: the ice melting. You could see like the black color 686 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 4: of lots of the ice on the top level from 687 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 4: the pollution. So to be able to kind of take 688 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 4: a racing audience, the motors board audience, which probably not 689 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 4: always the people that are buying the electric cars, to 690 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 4: be able to show, you know, these are the issues, 691 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 4: but also this is how motorsport and cars. We don't 692 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 4: have to lose the excitement and the performance and all 693 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 4: of those things to help be trying to work with 694 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 4: new technologies and technologies they're going to move us forward. 695 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,959 Speaker 2: Can you take us, like to the start line. You're 696 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 2: sitting in the car and you're about to start. What 697 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: are you how are you feeling, what are you thinking? 698 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: What is like your preparation in that moment. 699 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a pretty intense moment. 700 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 4: And I remember actually in Greenland, I was lining up 701 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 4: for the final and I lined up and then I 702 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 4: sort of moved my head over and I could see 703 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 4: Sebastian Lopho's nine time world rally champion, the most successful 704 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 4: rally driver there's ever been. It was and my idol 705 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 4: growing up, Like I have post sign posters of him 706 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 4: in my bedroom. 707 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 2: So cool. 708 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 4: It was next to me, and I just like I 709 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,719 Speaker 4: just had to turn around, like don't look, don't do it. 710 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 3: Don't look, don't. 711 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 4: Look because you cannot cope, he was literally in the 712 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 4: next right next to me. Wow, So yeah, it was 713 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 4: it was pretty incredible and we were one two out 714 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 4: of that that start, so that was yeah, that was 715 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 4: pretty awesome. 716 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's very much. 717 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 4: You know, you just have to and probably for yourself, 718 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 4: and like in any sport, if you try and think 719 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 4: about all the things, all the variables, like you'll just 720 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 4: go completely mad. So it's just very much. This is 721 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 4: the process go through. You know, we run through with 722 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 4: the engineer that all the their maps and all the 723 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 4: settings are in the right spots. You're looking at the countdown, 724 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 4: and then it's just you have your rough plan for 725 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 4: the start that never goes to plan, but because. 726 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 3: You've got five cars and you know you're starting rid. 727 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 3: So it's very much. 728 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 4: You know, my plan is I want to take this line, 729 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 4: or I want to try and move over at this point, 730 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 4: or if this cars ahead, I'm going to go here, 731 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 4: and so you just you've got all those plans in 732 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 4: your head and then you're just trying to only think 733 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 4: about from the start to the first corner and then 734 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 4: once you do that, figure out the next the next 735 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 4: little step. 736 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 2: And you said, so it's the Thursday before you race it, 737 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 2: you find out we do a track cook yeah, okay, 738 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 2: so you walk it on foot, yeah okay. And then 739 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: and then the weext time you're on the track is 740 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: you're racing. 741 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 4: So we have a practice day on Friday. Okay, so 742 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 4: we get four laps. 743 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:00,719 Speaker 2: That's it. 744 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 3: That's it. 745 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, So you're trying to and then they can water 746 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 4: the track or because because there's not an actual race track, 747 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 4: because we're racing in all these different locations and the 748 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 4: surfaces are different, the evolution of the track is different, 749 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 4: so the cars, you know, you might get some ruts 750 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 4: in some corners, they might water down some corners that 751 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 4: almost slippery from one session. 752 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 3: To the other. So you have like a general idea 753 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 3: of what you want to happen, and. 754 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 4: Then it's very much a case of just trying to 755 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 4: be in the moment and feel the grip and feel 756 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 4: where the edge of group is and trying to get 757 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 4: as close to it without without going over it, which 758 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 4: sometimes happens when. 759 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 2: You're saying they're watering it down to make it more slippery. 760 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 4: Add for dust, because you're racing so close with the 761 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 4: other cars. If it's too dusty, if you get behind 762 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 4: you literally can't see. 763 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 3: That even happens in. 764 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 4: Saudi when it's quite sandy, and that I've done aware, 765 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 4: I don't even you don't see where you're going. 766 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 3: Exciting. 767 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy some of the onboard footage when you're chasing, 768 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 4: so you kind of know the track, you can see flags, 769 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 4: so you just kind of have to look at where 770 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 4: you want to go. And then if you're getting really close, 771 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 4: there goes into a moment where you're if you're crossing 772 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 4: behind or coming up really close behind, where you can 773 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 4: maybe see a tail light or something, and that's your 774 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 4: beacon of kind of. 775 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 2: Where and that's. 776 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 4: You just go through these moments you're like, I think 777 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 4: I need to be here, and then it just sort 778 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 4: of goes a bit blind and then your hope when 779 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 4: it clears you in the right spot. 780 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 3: That's scary, it's quite exciting. 781 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, And probably on that element, like you're doing a 782 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 2: very high risk sport, like I imagine there's a lot 783 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 2: of safety precautions in place, but like environments like that 784 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 2: where you can't really see where you're going and you're. 785 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 5: Driving very fast, like what is that? 786 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 2: Is there a fear element to it? 787 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 3: I don't think. 788 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 4: I think as you say, like safety is such a 789 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 4: core aspect of what we do, so it looks a 790 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 4: bit crazy from the outside, but I mean the cars 791 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 4: are built to be able to withstand doing what we do. 792 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 4: And you know, there's been plenty of incidences and touch wood. 793 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 3: You know, nothing major. There's like some cars that have 794 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 3: been hurt. 795 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: But okay, so I know that. 796 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 4: You know, yes, it's it's the inherently dangerous sport, but 797 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 4: to me, it's a very calculated risk and we've prepared 798 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 4: for all these scenarios and these kind of risks you're 799 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 4: taking within that you know are very calculated as well. 800 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 4: Like I roughly know where I'm going, and I just 801 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 4: know that if you know, if you've backed off to 802 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 4: wait till it's one hundred percent clear, you're just you're 803 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 4: out of the race. So you just sort of have 804 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 4: to at some point, yeah, just as work out what 805 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 4: you think you need. 806 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 3: To do and hope it works. If it does work, 807 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 3: that's the best feeling. Like that's what gives you coming. 808 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 2: Back, Okay, Like when you found the gap between the 809 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 2: cows exactly. 810 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, then that's that's magic you're living for. That's real. 811 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 2: That's great. Looking at I guess your career, and we 812 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 2: touched on Molly Rally and your brand as an athlete. 813 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 2: But two things I want to touch on is your 814 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 2: garage that you've yilpt with your partner. Yeah, can you 815 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 2: tell me about that. 816 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that actually happened in hotel quarante. 817 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, year of extremely It was in twenty twenty one, 818 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 4: so I was one of the people that got stuck 819 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 4: overseas and couldn't get home because of the flights. And 820 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 4: then yeah, when I finally did did some hotel quarantines 821 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 4: and I was sitting there on real estate dot com. No, 822 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 4: I found this little It's only seventy seven spermeters, so 823 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 4: it was a very very small little place. It was 824 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 4: just like bare concrete, and I think it's just always 825 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 4: been a bit of a dream of mine. When I 826 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 4: was living in the UK, I was working for some 827 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 4: big race teams and to yet go every day to 828 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 4: these amazing huge buildings where everything's white and all the 829 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 4: cars it'll be like Formula one style. Thought this would 830 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 4: be so cool to have my own place where I 831 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 4: can be a little bit in control of my own 832 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 4: destiny as well a bit with what I put in there. 833 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 4: And then the content that we do for sponsors and 834 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 4: how I can build that business. 835 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 3: Side of what we do. So it had always been 836 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 3: a bit. 837 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 4: Of a dream and then I found this place and 838 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 4: it was small enough for like a starting point. 839 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 2: Great. 840 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 4: And then Dan, my partner, and I we just figured 841 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 4: we didn't We got someone to help with the plumbing 842 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,919 Speaker 4: and electrics because we thought those were fairly important things 843 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 4: to get around. Yeah, then we get everything else we 844 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 4: did ourselves. Wow, So it was it was a big project, 845 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 4: but yeah, solid effort, very cool. 846 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 5: Either of you have any trade experience. 847 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 4: Dan used to be a mechanic for many years, so 848 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 4: it's very practical. Yeah, we just like youtubed it and 849 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 4: then did it. 850 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 3: And you don't want to look too closely at. 851 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 4: Some of the finishes, there's probably play on, but yeah, 852 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 4: it was sort of the vibe we were going for 853 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 4: was like Google headquarters versus a Formula one workshop, something 854 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 4: that's very clinical and purposeful, but also just like a 855 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,760 Speaker 4: cool place to hang out that week and have friends 856 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 4: around and watch most board and. 857 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, great, I like that. And the other one is 858 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 2: the doco. So you've you've started filming, Well, you've got 859 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 2: a huge bank of footage. What I guess is the 860 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 2: reason behind wanting to tell your story and document what 861 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 2: you're doing. 862 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I made of mind. 863 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 4: Sean is an incredible videographer and he's come to some 864 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 4: events and. 865 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 3: So we sort of had this idea. 866 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 4: We did a couple of pieces at the end of 867 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 4: twenty three to come back to the Australian Championship and 868 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 4: we just we thought there was a real opportunity to show, yes, 869 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 4: the racing side, but just so much of stuff goes 870 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 4: on behind it, and from prepping the car in the workshop, 871 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 4: getting all the mostly volunteers to come and help and 872 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 4: travel to events and bring all those things together, and 873 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 4: kind of the highs and lows that you go through 874 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 4: in motorsport. 875 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 3: I mean there's probably probably. 876 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 4: Way more lows than highs, like anything you're probably trying 877 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 4: to achieve, So I think, yeah, to kind of capture 878 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 4: all that, we thought that was a really cool story there. 879 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 3: So that's what we're working on. 880 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 4: And I think it's good for visibility to talk about 881 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 4: females in sport, but also just rally and motorsport in general, 882 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,240 Speaker 4: to kind of tell that story. 883 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 3: And I mean we're definitely not on the budget levels 884 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 3: of drive to survive. 885 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 4: But I think that you know, that similar element of 886 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 4: actually showing people what it takes and what it's like. 887 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 4: I think it's been really interesting to watch people that 888 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 4: maybe don't know that much about motorsport to really see 889 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 4: it in a different light. I think that's a really 890 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,959 Speaker 4: cool thing and then a good story to show. 891 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, what is your bucket list? Do you have 892 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 2: a bucket list? Achievement? 893 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 3: Race Champions. 894 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 5: There, I'm so going to be there. It's so cool. 895 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think something like that definitely. 896 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, like to do DAKA was definitely a 897 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 4: bucket list item and I would love to have another 898 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 4: cracket at that. Yeah, the Australian Championship, would love to 899 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 4: have it. We got really close to getting a second title, 900 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 4: so I would love to have another crack at that one, 901 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 4: and any of the stuff we do with Extreme Age 902 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:36,760 Speaker 4: and then I've. 903 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 3: Just started doing something changing. 904 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 4: And then with Rallycross as well, been doing more of that, 905 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 4: and I'm like at the very beginning of that sort 906 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 4: of journey. 907 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 3: So I think in the in the immediate future, building 908 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 3: on that. 909 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,879 Speaker 4: It's kind of the focus at the moment, But yeah, 910 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 4: I think Race of Champions it's kind of a it's 911 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 4: like the ultimate to sort of reach a point I 912 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 4: suppose where we don't we don't have me to have 913 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 4: the Olympics or anything like that. In motorsport, we have 914 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 4: a Motorsports Games event, but this is kind of, I 915 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 4: guess one of those pinnacles where if you've been selected 916 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,439 Speaker 4: to represent your country is pretty cool. 917 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely, congratulations. I can't wait to come watch. I'm excited. 918 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 2: It's honestly going to be awesome. Yeah, that's very cool. 919 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time today. I've loved 920 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,879 Speaker 2: having me chatting and your energy and your storytelling has 921 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 2: been amazing, So thank you so much. 922 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a. 923 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 4: Supporter of everything you do as well, so thanks for 924 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 4: bringing all these stories. 925 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:28,720 Speaker 3: You're awesome. 926 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I appreciate that a lot. Thanks 927 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 2: so much for listening. If you got something out of 928 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 2: this episode, I would absolutely love it if you could 929 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 2: send it on to one person who you think might 930 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 2: enjoy it. 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