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Speaker 2: Now, the content that chat GPT spits out is only

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Speaker 2: and therefore it means that education really has to come

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Speaker 2: back to absolute fundamentals, but helping them to understand how

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Speaker 2: and you're not going to say hello to me. I'm

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Speaker 2: I wait, don't want to say because we've already said

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Speaker 3: Hello?

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Speaker 2: Love it? That's so great. We are the parents have

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Speaker 2: six children who will roll their eyes when they listen

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Speaker 2: to this. We're going to talk today about chat GPT.

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Speaker 3: Like general practitioner.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, I love you said that chat GPT

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Speaker 3: Now, well, I'm interested to know what this chat GPT is.

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Speaker 3: If it's not a general practitioner, you get to chat

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Speaker 2: So chat GPT is basically an AI it's an AI program,

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Speaker 2: artificial intelligence program where you can jump on to the

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Speaker 2: program itself chat GPT, and you literally just type in

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Speaker 2: you can tell it's to give you a toothat life.

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Speaker 2: So it's going to just like this is the ultimate cheat.

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Speaker 2: It's the ultimately it feels.

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Speaker 3: Like the Jensen's like we're living in the future.

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Speaker 2: The Jensens, you said, the Jensens. I'm sure the Gensens

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Speaker 2: So you literally, let's say that your English teacher or

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Speaker 2: You literally don't have to do the work. Just type

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, you're saying that this is the best thing

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Speaker 2: I didn't say it's the best thing since sliced bread.

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Speaker 2: But it's phenomenal. I think it's it's extraordinary.

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Speaker 3: Well, if our kids are using this to do their

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Speaker 2: Well, this is where it gets really important. So there's

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Speaker 3: So I'm just letting you know that with this new knowledge,

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Speaker 3: Yes, my mind is blowing mine, But this is my point?

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Speaker 3: If kids have got access to this, then what are

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Speaker 2: But more than that, the content that chat GPT spits

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Speaker 2: I actually think that chat GPT does is it gives

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Speaker 3: See you suggestion, Seeing that it kind of just gives

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But it puts a lot more onto teachers and

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Speaker 2: And that's where the distinctly human element comes in.

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Speaker 2: It's really amazing. I think that I'm going to be

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Speaker 3: I keep seeing the downside though.

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Speaker 3: And we all have been witnessed to people who who

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Speaker 2: This to me, it's a really exciting opportunity. It's an

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Speaker 2: I could get chat GPT to write my next book,

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Speaker 3: But you're not like everyone. No, But I think there's

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Speaker 2: In that people are the same.

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Speaker 3: You're the person who rides up the hill three times

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Speaker 2: But everybody has their thing that they want to master.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but most unique students don't want to do their assignments.

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Speaker 2: That to me, is the advantage of chat GPT more

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