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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. You're dose of the hottest

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Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Sophie

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Speaker 1: Torber and I'm joined by my sisters and journalist Kate

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Speaker 1: and Amy. On today's show, Tammy Hembro's baby name finally revealed,

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Speaker 1: TikTok's controversial new ratings game comes under fire, and one

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Speaker 1: dad lifts the lid on the reality of living with

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Speaker 1: a mummy blogger. Now, firstly, Sophie, it has been four

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Speaker 1: days since Tammy Hembro announced the arrival of her daughter,

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Speaker 1: and everyone has been hanging out for her to drop

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Speaker 1: the baby name. I'm going to keep you in even

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Speaker 1: more suspense at the moment because I want to explain

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Speaker 1: why this name has been so hotly anticipated, because I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's been so much anticipation for an influencer

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Speaker 1: baby name in quite some time. So back in March,

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Speaker 1: Tammy found herself at the center of a baby name

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Speaker 1: controversy when media publications speculated that her former friend Kylie

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Speaker 1: Jennett copied her son's name Wolf. So hours after the announcement,

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Speaker 1: Tammy shared a photo of herself and her son on

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Speaker 1: Instagram and captioned it my Wolf. This led Tammy to

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Speaker 1: joke with a follower on TikTok that she was going

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Speaker 1: to name her daughter's Stormy, which, as you know, is

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Speaker 1: Kylie Jenner's name Amy. So there's been so much anticipation

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Speaker 1: on an international front at what this baby is going

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Speaker 1: to be called now. Further speculation was fueled when Tammy

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Speaker 1: decided to add a letter P to her necklace, which

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Speaker 1: previously contained the letter W for her son Wolf and

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Speaker 1: S for her daughter Saskia. You know when they have

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Speaker 1: starter kits on Instagram, it's like a starter kit to

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Speaker 1: be a mummy blogger. I feel like these necklaces are

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Speaker 1: part of it because I know Sarah's day has one

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Speaker 1: and people were waiting for her to put the initial

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Speaker 1: of her son on it as well. I'm sitting here

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Speaker 1: with my Archie necklace for my son's name. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a good way to build anticipation though by adding

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Speaker 1: that letter, getting everyone talking about it. And I originally

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Speaker 1: had a theory that perhaps the P might have been

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Speaker 1: for Tammy's fionce Matt's last name, which is Paul. However,

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Speaker 1: the PE actually did hint to the baby's name, and

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Speaker 1: I feel like I've made everyone wait long enough. The

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Speaker 1: name is floral inspired. She has called her daughter Posey,

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Speaker 1: which I think is a really cute name. Look, it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first on my list, but it does

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Speaker 1: kind of go with the other names that she's got

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Speaker 1: for her kids, like Saskia and Wolf. They're a bit

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Speaker 1: out there those names. I don't think Posey is really

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Speaker 1: that out there. I think it's kind of more of

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Speaker 1: a classic name. Posey. I've never ever heard of anyone

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Speaker 1: called post It's kind of a cute sea name, like

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Speaker 1: Rosie or Daisy or Posey. I mean, the thing where

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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit I have a bit of a

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Speaker 1: question mark is the double p Posey Paul. I do

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Speaker 1: really like the fact that when these baby name announcements

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Speaker 1: are coming that everyone goes into full super sleuth mode.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what's happened in this instant because one

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Speaker 1: TikTok user by the name of Holly Murphy, she deciphered

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Speaker 1: Tammy's baby name hints, which she said were hidden in

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Speaker 1: plain sight, so she captured the video call me psychic

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Speaker 1: when it happens. So this video was shared before Tammy

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Speaker 1: announced the name of her daughter, and the TikToker says,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you Tammy Hembro's baby name is Daisy or Posey.

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Speaker 1: She then presented the evidence, including the addition of flowers

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Speaker 1: in one photo of Tammy holding the newborn, she's seen

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Speaker 1: wearing a daisy hair clip. Tammy also captioned and commented

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Speaker 1: on photos of the newborn with a flower emoji and

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Speaker 1: nothing else. So the TikToker even noticed that Tammy's nails

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Speaker 1: had tiny daisy flowers painted on them. So a lot

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Speaker 1: of people agreed with this tiktoker's theory, and they suggested

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Speaker 1: that maybe the baby would be called Petal, Poppy or Primrose.

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Speaker 1: She did do a great job. I have to take

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Speaker 1: my hat off to picking up that she had flowers

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Speaker 1: on her fingernails. Now Celeb's spellcheck was also on the money.

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Speaker 1: She predicted months ago that the baby's name was in

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Speaker 1: fact Posy. She did a hilarious breakdown on her Instagram

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Speaker 1: story once the name was announced, explaining that it was

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Speaker 1: in fact Kylie Jenner who helped her correctly guess Tammy's

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Speaker 1: do we know about Tammy's taste in names? She questioned.

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Speaker 1: Selepspelchick continued, saying that Tammy shares a similar taste to Kylie.

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Speaker 1: She then shared a screenshot showing that underneath Kylie's post

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Speaker 1: announcing the arrival of Stormy, Tammy wrote no joke, that

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Speaker 1: and did a crying face. Celepspelchick then continued writing, what

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Speaker 1: What else do we know about her taste in names?

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Speaker 1: She then shared a screenshot of Kylie Jenna's long list

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Speaker 1: of dogs' names, which mainly included names ending in an

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Speaker 1: Selepspelchick then concluded that changing one letter to p would

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Speaker 1: then equal the name posy. Wow, this is genius. If

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Speaker 1: we didn't think that this woman was a complete genius before,

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Speaker 1: funny in the li last slide of this explainer, Celeb's

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Speaker 1: spelcheck then pondered the question what would Kylie think of

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Speaker 1: the name Posey, and then she revealed that Kylie likes

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Speaker 1: the name enough to have named one of her original

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Speaker 1: lip kit's Posey can. So this is this name an

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Speaker 1: ultimate burn towards Kylie for using the name. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, because how many Kylie lip kits

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Speaker 1: are there out in the world. It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: mac lipstick names. There are so many out there. I

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Speaker 1: highly doubt it would come into Tammy's consciousness to go, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to come up with the name to

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Speaker 1: piss Kylie general if she's not going to do that.

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Speaker 1: I really like where Celev's Belchick went with this though.

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Speaker 1: I like the inclusion of Kylie back in it. He

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Speaker 1: is a five, but he's green, a sense I don't

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Speaker 1: care five. He is a tan, but he wants to

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Speaker 1: propose to you on the worst that hayway h.

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Speaker 2: For for me.

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Speaker 1: Two young Collingwood footballers have put TikTok's controversial new ratings

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Speaker 1: game under the spot sophy, can you first explain how

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Speaker 1: does this game work? Yeah? Well, this ratings game has

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Speaker 1: quickly become at TikTok's most viral game and the hashtags

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Speaker 1: ratings games and rate men are rapidly gaining traction online,

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Speaker 1: with many of the videos gaining millions of views, and

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Speaker 1: the game was originally created by women. So on June third,

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Speaker 1: TikTok user Avery Risotto unknowingly created the craze, which she

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Speaker 1: originally called the He's a Ten Game. The post now

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Speaker 1: has millions of views and hundreds of recreations. So the

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Speaker 1: game is played with a group of friends. One player

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Speaker 1: rates a hypothetical person out of ten and then pairs

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Speaker 1: the rating with a hyper specific and relatable qualifier. So

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Speaker 1: with this qualifier in mind, the player must assign a

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Speaker 1: new rating. And it's trying to prove that looks are

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Speaker 1: not the only thing that matters. So I'll give you

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Speaker 1: an example of how the game works. But if I

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Speaker 1: said to you, he's a nine but he shares trap photos, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know you hate them, like a five, Then okay,

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Speaker 1: I've got one for you, Sophie. Yeah he's a ten,

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Speaker 1: but he's got personalized number plates. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: mind them as much as you. I reckon, maybe take

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Speaker 1: him down one notch. Maybe he's a nine. Hour after

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Speaker 1: that see this game. It kind of seems pretty harmless

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Speaker 1: it did really start out in good fun and it

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Speaker 1: seemed to be that women were trying to show that

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Speaker 1: being a ten in a woman's eyes isn't just how

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Speaker 1: you look, but it's also how you act. This game

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Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of the trend on TikTok about

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Speaker 1: people saying what their icks are, so I think it's

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Speaker 1: been really born out of that trend. So so for

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Speaker 1: this week, two AFL young guns, nineteen year old Jack

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Speaker 1: both played for Collingwood, were caught with their own take

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Speaker 1: of the viral video. So instead of keeping it lighthearted,

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Speaker 1: many people believe the boys went too far when they

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Speaker 1: said being homeless or having crooked teeth low with women's scores.

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Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to what they said exactly.

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Speaker 2: Two but she smiles really nice. Three, Oh, she's a.

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Speaker 1: Ten, but got some brock up teeth like them teeth

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Speaker 1: Four, she's a nine and a half, but it's homeless. Two.

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Speaker 1: I'm off here when she's a four, but she's rich now.

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Speaker 1: Both Jack and Isaac have appeared on Instagram to apologize

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Speaker 1: for their actions and have pledged to continue to learn.

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Speaker 1: Isaac said, Hey, guys, just wanted to jump on here

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Speaker 1: and apologize for the TikTok video. We did a trend

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Speaker 1: will undertake further education on the appropriate use of social

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Speaker 1: media now. This incident further embarrassed the club, as only

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Speaker 1: a few days prior, a controversial video showing Collingwood player

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Speaker 1: Jordan de Gooie parting with a young woman in Bali

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Speaker 1: So Jordan has since been handed a twenty five thousand

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Speaker 1: the end of the season. And it's believed that the

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Speaker 1: media came across this ratings video whilst trawling through social

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Speaker 1: media to see how other Collingwood players had spent their

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Speaker 1: bet they were high fiving one another when they found this,

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Speaker 1: because it's been quite the talk of the town. This

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Speaker 1: through everybody's TikTok or TikTok didn't exist them, but everybody's

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Speaker 1: social media accounts, and bloody hell, finding this video it

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Speaker 1: a rainbow for a young journalist. Now, regardless of how

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Speaker 1: the media came across this video, yeah, it's safe to

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Speaker 1: been a very different story. I think where the boys

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Speaker 1: In this video, I'm going to be talking Chloe Zepp

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Speaker 1: Really? Yeah, exactly? And you just try and eat so

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Speaker 1: could potentially do it together. I'm guessing they won't. I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming it will be one of her influence of friends

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Speaker 1: because I don't know. I feel like they start them

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Speaker 1: and then they suddenly can't stick to them. It depends.

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Speaker 1: I think when they have a company behind them that's

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Speaker 1: helping produce it, sometimes they can be really good. I've

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Speaker 1: been getting into Common Chaos recently, and that's obviously an

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Speaker 1: influencer lead podcast, but it does have good production value,

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Speaker 1: so it really depends.

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Speaker 3: It's funny now doing a podcast for three years and

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Speaker 3: doing two episodes a week alongside our full time jobs.

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Speaker 3: Just a humble brag there. I don't think people realize

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Speaker 3: how much effort actually goes into a podcast. And it

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Speaker 3: was funny because I was also listening to Common Chaos

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Speaker 3: that was a recommendation I gave you Amy, Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: Cartier was interviewing Sammy Robinson and she was saying how

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Speaker 3: she can't believe how Sammy can do all her fashion

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Speaker 3: stuff because she finds it hard enough recording one podcast

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Speaker 3: a week and they get it professionally edited and everything

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Speaker 3: like that. So it is funny because it's a very

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Speaker 3: time consuming thing, and I think that's why we see

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Speaker 3: a lot of influencer lad podcasts only come out for

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Speaker 3: a short season and then we don't hear from them again.

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Speaker 1: A school that bans far mals is a school that

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Speaker 1: bans life, summer heats hide.

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Speaker 2: You should be ashamed of yourself Fastly far molds can

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Speaker 2: give hope.

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Speaker 1: They give paver people something to live for another week.

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Speaker 1: Another influencer calling out a Big Cup Meat for releasing

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Speaker 1: a similar design Kate, what has happened this time?

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Speaker 3: Well, this week, Riley Hempson, who is well known under

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Speaker 3: her handle Healthy Chick one oh one, uploaded a video

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Speaker 3: to TikTok calling out White Fox Boutique for releasing a

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Speaker 3: similar swimwear design to hers. Riley, who has over four

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty eight thousand followers on Instagram, is the

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Speaker 3: founder of sustainable clothing brand Remy by Riley So. The

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Speaker 3: brand is celebrated for being size inclusive, and not only

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Speaker 3: does it stop clothing ranging from extra small to six

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Speaker 3: x L, but it also showcases a range of body

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Speaker 3: types in their advertising now. Back in December twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 3: Riley launched a drop of Remy Swim which included bright

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Speaker 3: colored bikinis featuring a pattern that consisted of different sized

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Speaker 3: lettering spelling out the brand's name. In the recent TikTok video,

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Speaker 3: Riley appeared in the foreground behind an image of the swimwear,

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Speaker 3: which transitioned to a photo of very similar bikinis on

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Speaker 3: the White Fox Boutique's website. Now, the main difference in

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Speaker 3: the design was the pattern spelled White Fox rather than Remy.

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Speaker 1: Now, the video has received a lot of attention. Since

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Speaker 1: the time of recording, Riley's video has been viewed over

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Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty six thousand times and has had

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Speaker 1: sixteen point three thousand likes. The video was also flooded

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Speaker 1: with hundreds of supportive messages as well as people tagging

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Speaker 1: White Fox Boutique for comment Now. A lot of the

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Speaker 1: commentary highlighted the fact that White Fox Boutique aren't size

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Speaker 1: inclusive like Remy by Riley nor sustainable. Also, White Fox

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Speaker 1: Boutique has received backlash on their own Instagram account in

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Speaker 1: the comment section. Now, we wanted to delve into the

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Speaker 1: laws regarding fashion in Australia because these sorts of incidents

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Speaker 1: are often a hot topic of discussion in our f

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Speaker 1: Facebook community, and in Australia there isn't a distinct set

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Speaker 1: of laws governing the fashion industry. However, Australia has gone

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Speaker 1: a lot further than other countries by implementing laws around

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Speaker 1: registered designs. So unlike copyright, which comes into effect as

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Speaker 1: soon as you publish your work, you need to register

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Speaker 1: for a fashion design to receive protection from the law.

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Speaker 1: The lawfuls under the Design Act two thousand and three

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Speaker 1: and protects the visual features of a product, including shape, configuration,

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Speaker 1: pattern and a decorative element. So it is important to

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Speaker 1: note the registration doesn't cover things like the material or

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Speaker 1: the feel of the product. Therefore, even if a garment

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Speaker 1: is registered, other designers can use the same fabric for

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Speaker 1: a similarly designed dress. So despite the limitations, the Act

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Speaker 1: is really important for the fashion industry as it's a

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Speaker 1: lot more applicable to fashion design than other forms of IP.

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Speaker 3: And while it all sounds good in theory, the Act

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Speaker 3: has a lot of limitations. So firstly, it's actually really

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Speaker 3: difficult to get your design registered as it has to

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Speaker 3: pass the test of being both new and distinctive. So

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Speaker 3: to be considered new, the design cannot be identical to

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Speaker 3: any design previously disclosed or published anywhere in the world,

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Speaker 3: and to be considered distinctive, it must not be substantially

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Speaker 3: similar in overall impression to any design previously disclosed or

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Speaker 3: published anywhere in the world, so it seems pretty hard

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Speaker 3: to actually match this standard. Secondly, while the Act may

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Speaker 3: protect your design in Australia, it won't necessarily stop it

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Speaker 3: from being copied overseas unless the design is also registered

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Speaker 3: in that country system. And Lastly, even if your design

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Speaker 3: is registered, it can later be disputed by a third party.

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Speaker 3: So normally this occurs when a design owner sues a

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Speaker 3: third party for a design infringement, then the third party

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Speaker 3: counterclaims that the design owner doesn't have a valid design right.

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Speaker 3: On the tenth of March this year, changes to the

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Speaker 3: Design Act came into force. So the biggest change is

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Speaker 3: the introduction of a twelve month grace period, which gives

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Speaker 3: a designer the ability to seek protection for its design

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Speaker 3: within twelve months, even if the design has been published

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Speaker 3: on social media. So prior to this Act coming into force,

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Speaker 3: if you had published your design prior to filling in

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Speaker 3: an application, there was literally no way you could protect

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Speaker 3: your design. And the funniest thing is your design would

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Speaker 3: then be included in all the designs that this board

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Speaker 3: actually compares it to. So of course it would then

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Speaker 3: be exactly the same as your design that's on records,

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Speaker 3: so you would automatically be rejected for this type of protection,

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Speaker 3: which doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, this is all really super confusing if

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Speaker 1: you're a new brand to even follow what's going on.

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Speaker 1: And you can see why, and you can see why

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Speaker 1: there are so many brands who are accusing bigger brands

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Speaker 1: of copying. But literally there doesn't seem to be much

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Speaker 1: protection in place. You have to jump through all of

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Speaker 1: these hoops, and then even if you do register it, it

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Speaker 1: seems like there's not much protection anyway because people can

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Speaker 1: appeal it.

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Speaker 3: And I suppose the complexity of it is because there

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Speaker 3: are so many designs out there that are similar, so

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Speaker 3: in order to have your design protected, it has to

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Speaker 3: be out of this world completely different. So that's how

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Speaker 3: all these fast fashion brands get away with replicating other

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Speaker 3: people's designs because it actually is within the law. Well,

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Speaker 3: I think that's all we have time for today. Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much for joining us for today's episode. If

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