1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Let's head across right now because joining us live on 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: the line is the Federal Treasurer Jim Chalmers. 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 2: Good morning to you. 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. How's the training. 5 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: Going for the marathon? Very well? I've got a nigglie 6 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: calf chan to. 7 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 3: Talk about this enormous run thing you're going to do 8 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 3: before long. 9 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, got the marathon in a couple of weeks. I've 10 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: got a niggli calf. But hopefully it's hopefully I'm going 11 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: to be all right because I'm heading to Noosa in 12 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks to run forty two kilometers. 13 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 3: Geez, you're going to smash it confidence all that. 14 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,319 Speaker 1: Training, hopefully, Let's see how it goes now, Treasurer, big 15 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 1: night for you last night, obviously delivering the federal budgets. 16 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: What's in it for the Northern Territory? 17 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: Well, the Northern Territory was really front and center in 18 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 3: the budget that we handed down last night. In addition 19 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: to all of the cost of living help that we'll 20 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 3: be providing territorians, there will also be some quite specific 21 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 3: investments in the MT. So you think about, for example, 22 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: a big schools deal that we did with the territory government, 23 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 3: a couple of billion dollars to improve the schools there. 24 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 3: We've obviously also got the big remote housing investment in 25 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 3: the nordern Territory specific to the NT and you know 26 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 3: as well that we're building a new medical school at 27 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 3: CDU because we know that's one of the things that 28 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: has been missing in the university up there in Darwin. 29 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: We know that we need to train lots more doctors 30 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 3: and health professionals, and so we're creating that medical school 31 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: as well. 32 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: They are all great announcements. I know that one of 33 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,559 Speaker 1: the other things that has been called for for quite 34 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: some time in the end is needspace funding when it 35 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: comes to domestic violence and tackling that really serious issue 36 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: that we have with domestic violence. Is there any additional 37 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: funding in that space. 38 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 3: There is some extra funding for people leaving violent situations, 39 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: but I've got to be upfront with. 40 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:56,279 Speaker 1: You, Katie. 41 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: You know, we know that even with this billion billions 42 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: of dollars that we are pouring into domestic violence, we 43 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 3: know that women are still not safe in our communities, 44 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 3: and so we know we've got more work to do. 45 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: We're making some additional investment, but there's a heap of 46 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: work that we need to do together because this level 47 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: of domestic violence we're seeing in our communities is a 48 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 3: national shame, big priority for the government to see what 49 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: we can do, including what more we can do to 50 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 3: address it. 51 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: Now. 52 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: I know that in terms of the Future Made in 53 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: Australia Plan, there's still some detail that people are calling for. 54 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: But for us here in the end, how important is 55 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: our gas and the development of the Middle Arm project 56 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: in terms of that Future Made in Australia Plan. Yeah. 57 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: Well, in the Gas plan that my colleague Madelin King released, 58 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 3: I think last week we made it clear that gas 59 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: has got a role to play even as we transform 60 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: our economy into one which is more heavily reliant on 61 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 3: nurable energy. You know, the big focus in the budget 62 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 3: was renewables. I know that Middle Arm. There's an element 63 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: of Middle Arm which is about renewable energy as well, 64 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 3: not just traditional sources of energy. And so what we're 65 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: trying to do in a really sensible, common sense way 66 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 3: is to boost renewable energy in our economy at the 67 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 3: same time as we recognize a role for gas for 68 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 3: a bit longer. And also what we're trying to do 69 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 3: with this Future Made in Australia policy is to make 70 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: sure that our huge advantages that we have in energy 71 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 3: like hydrogen, in critical minerals and in other ways, that 72 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: we're making the most of that so that communities and 73 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 3: people in the Northern Territory and around Australia can be 74 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: beneficiaries of the way that the global economy is changing. 75 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: Treasure. What do you say to people though, who don't 76 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: want to see the development of gas, because I mean 77 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: for many of us here in the end, we can 78 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: see that it is in the territory's future. We were 79 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: just talking to our Chief Minister Evil Ala, who has 80 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: said that it is realistically part of the puzzle for 81 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: us being able to get back on track when we've 82 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: got an astronomical level of debt. 83 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 3: Look, I can see that good people on both sides 84 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: of this. Some people say there should be no gas 85 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: and some people say there should be more gas. And 86 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: the role of a government like ours, which is a 87 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: sensible pragmatic problem solving practical government, is to work out 88 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 3: how do we get more renewables in the system into 89 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 3: the grids at the same time as we recognize the 90 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 3: role of gas in that energy transformation, and so different 91 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 3: parts of Australia might have different views about it. Our 92 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 3: view is pretty clear. The future is renewable, lots of 93 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: investment in the budget in renewable energy and the export opportunities, 94 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: but also an ongoing role for the time being when 95 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: it comes to gas. 96 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: I know your pressed for time this morning, but I 97 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: want to ask I will ask about some of those 98 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: cost of living measures in just a moment. Firstly, though 99 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: the halving of those international students, it is going to 100 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: make it really hard for Charles Darwin University. Is there 101 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: any opportunity here that you know that there may be 102 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: able to be sort of some different different measures in 103 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: place for different areas of Australia. 104 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 3: In short, yes, you know, we're big supporters of CDU. 105 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 3: It's a terrific university you've got up there, and we're 106 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: supporters of international education as well. It's a really important 107 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 3: industry for Australia and what the Minister is responsible here 108 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 3: a couple of my colleagues are being asked to do 109 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: is to recognize the different pressures and opportunities on different universities, 110 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 3: to recognize the important role of foreign students in our 111 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 3: education system, but to make sure that we're managing that growth, 112 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: including making sure that we're building enough housing and student 113 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 3: accommodation for these students that come to study here. 114 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 115 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: Well, it's going to have a big impact for us. 116 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we simply do not have enough housing for 117 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: our international students at this point in time. But we 118 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: need to make sure that we have got those students 119 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: studying here in the Northern Territory, and in a lot 120 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: of cases we're wanting them to stay and field jobs 121 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: as well. 122 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And that's a really good sort of 123 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 3: a summary of the challenge here. You know, we want 124 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: to make the most out of the fact that people 125 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: want to study here. We want to make sure that 126 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 3: people have a good experience while they're here, and we 127 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 3: want to make sure that we're managing pressure on student 128 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: accommodation and the housing market more broadly when people come 129 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 3: here to study. And so that's not beyond us. You know, 130 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: we've got a big opportunity here. We're very lucky people 131 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 3: want to come here and study. We want to make 132 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 3: the most of that, but we also got to make 133 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: sure that we can accommodate people. 134 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: Treasurer the Chief Minister has this morning w Jim Charming. 135 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: After you've announced that there's going to be asd windfall 136 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: of an additional seven hundred and fifty million dollars for 137 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: the NT. 138 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: Is that correct? 139 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I'm not used to kindness to day after budget, 140 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 3: so I'll take it work. Tell Eva, I'll take it 141 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 3: wherever I can get it. She's a great person, evil Or. 142 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 3: I work with her very closely when we were both 143 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 3: treasurers before she got promoted and it became too cool 144 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 3: for me, a ripper of a chief minister, and we're 145 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 3: very proud to be able to work closely with her 146 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 3: to deliver for the people that we both represent in 147 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 3: the territory. 148 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 1: Now, very quickly, what is in the budget in terms 149 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: of those cost of living measures? I know there's certainly 150 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: going to be that three hundred dollars energy rebate amongst 151 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:19,559 Speaker 1: other things. 152 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's a substantial cost of living package, but 153 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 3: it's a responsible cost living package. Every tax paying territorium 154 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: will get a tax cut, every household in the NT 155 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: will get energy bill relief, and if you're on random systems, 156 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: you'll get another increase in your own assistance. And the 157 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: other thing, which is really important but hasn't got a 158 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: lot of attention, is we're making medicines cheaper as well. 159 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 3: We're freezing the PBS so that people who rely on medicines, 160 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 3: particularly people on concession cards, but also people in the 161 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 3: broader system, they'll get a bit of relief there as well, 162 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 3: because out of pocket health costs are part of the 163 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 3: story too, So pretty broad package of cost of living. 164 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 3: The highest priority in the budget is to help people 165 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: with their cost of living pressures and put downward pressure 166 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: on inflation. And that's what we're doing. 167 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: Well, look you did say before, a lot of people 168 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: not so kind on the morning after budget, a lot 169 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: of people questioning why you're not means testing some of 170 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: these some of these cost of living measures well. 171 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: Because we understand that even people on middle incomes they're 172 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,679 Speaker 3: under pressure too. We think these cost of living pressures 173 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 3: are being felt by people not just in the pensions 174 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: and payment system, as important as they are and a 175 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 3: big priority for us as a labor government, but people 176 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 3: on middle incomes and in middle Australia are also under 177 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 3: the pump, and so we want to provide a bit 178 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: of help there as well. In addition to the tax 179 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 3: cut for every taxpayer, energy bill relief for every household 180 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: because we want to help people with their cost of 181 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 3: living pressures. 182 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: The federal opposition claims it is an election budget, is it. 183 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 3: I don't see it that way, and I don't think 184 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: the Prime Minister does either. This is a budget which 185 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 3: has the primary motivation of looking after people, doing it tough. 186 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 3: And my view I've always had this view, whether it's 187 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: the first budget after the election, or a last budget 188 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 3: before an election or something else, is that if you 189 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 3: make the right decisions for the right reasons, you put 190 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 3: people front and center, then the politics will take care 191 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 3: of themselves. 192 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: Well, Federal Treasurer Jim Chalmers, good to speak with you 193 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: this morning. We really appreciate you taking the time to 194 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: have a chat to Territori Ins today. 195 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. Thanks having me back on the show. Katie. All 196 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: the best and all the best for your big race 197 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: as well in a couple of weeks time. 198 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks so much, appreciate it.