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Speaker 1: And joining me on the line right now is the

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Speaker 1: Opposition leader Leoh Finocchio. Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, what happened yesterday with the legislation that the

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Speaker 1: COLP put forward to give police more powers when people

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Speaker 1: are drinking in public, Well, the.

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Speaker 2: Labor government once again turned their back on Territorians by

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Speaker 2: just simply shutting down the CLP's policy to give police

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Speaker 2: from happening in the first place. And it was astonishing

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Speaker 2: because this week they tabled their review into alcohol and

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Speaker 2: their review said that they government should do all the

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Speaker 2: things that was in our legislation. And instead of coming

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Speaker 2: and ultimately our streets are less safe for it. Their

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Speaker 1: So was the legislation that you were putting forward. Was

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Speaker 1: it different in any way to the recommendations made in

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Speaker 1: the three year review which was released earlier this week

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Speaker 1: when it comes to that two kilometer rule and police powers.

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Speaker 2: No, So the review covered a lot broader things than

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Speaker 2: what our legislation. Our legislation was very specific around giving

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Speaker 2: dealt with those issues were in total alignment Katie, total alignment.

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Speaker 2: So their review said that our police need the powers

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Speaker 2: they can't see if the person's on bail, they can't

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Speaker 2: see if the person has a domestic violence order. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's just going into it blind, which is a safety

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what is pointed out in that review is

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Speaker 1: You know, nobody wants to see a situation here where

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and the fact that their review says that it's

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Speaker 2: So there's total uncertainty again, a total lack of action,

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Speaker 2: And ultimately the COLP is sitting there with a plan forward,

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Speaker 1: There was talk though yesterday by the Government in Parliament

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Speaker 2: Well, ultimately, you know, the lord is not Laws aren't

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Speaker 1: So you really believe, I mean, do you really believe

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Speaker 1: Well, do we need to have stricter guidelines and rules

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Speaker 2: We've always supported additional pathways to referral to the band

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, the Auditor General has released a reporter, we've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Katie. We reported it because it's not fair

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Speaker 2: The reality is that this government deliberately made it sound

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Speaker 1: Lea. The Orders to General has, as you've said, found

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Speaker 2: we clearly know it isn't. And their own alcohol review

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I read through that extensive I don't know

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Speaker 2: Exactly it makes it clear is day it's like having

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Speaker 1: Leah. They continue to say that you are talking the

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Speaker 2: Katie? This is a distraction deflection tactic by labor because

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Speaker 2: they know we are right, and ultimately we're not. They

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Speaker 2: I grew up in, Katie. It's not the place I

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Speaker 2: That's why we need to take back control of our streets,

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Speaker 1: Leah, one quick thing before I let you go. On Saturday,

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Speaker 1: we know that Territorians voted voted no to the Voice,

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Speaker 1: confirmed that it has formed a working group to critically

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Speaker 1: its recommendations, including the establishment of a First Nation's government,

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Speaker 1: which would be independent of government. The party president Shane

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Speaker 1: Stone has said that you know this working group needs

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Speaker 2: Well, the CLP reject Labour's moved towards treaty and I

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Speaker 2: think it again reinforces that they're failing to listen. We've

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Speaker 2: that's what we're focused on. Labor can talk all at once.

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Speaker 2: They've shown that they are not acting, and that's why

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Speaker 2: we're focused on local government reform in the Bush because

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Speaker 2: the number one issue Aboriginal Territorians in remote communities talk

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Speaker 2: local government level, which Labour took away from them in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, and after two decades of Labor governments,

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Speaker 1: Lit think though, do you think though, by rejecting a

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Speaker 1: against the Voice, do you think that that may make

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Speaker 1: some people think that the CLP is not a party

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Speaker 1: for Indigenous territorians.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Katie, we have heard the results of the referendum

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Speaker 2: loud and clear, which the Prime Minister framed as voice,

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Speaker 2: treaty and truth telling. And ultimately what we are about

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Speaker 2: is making the lives of Aboriginal territorians better, you know,

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Speaker 2: Aboriginal women, other victimized people in the territory the most.

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Speaker 2: And what we fight for is safer communities and to

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Speaker 2: put the rights of victims first. And ultimately, through our

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Speaker 2: around local government reform, we're going to see real tangible

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Speaker 2: action taken that's going to improve people's lives, no matter

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Speaker 1: Ill me here about that Treaty Office though, the Treaty

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Speaker 1: former Treaty Commissioner and that office, they had gone out

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Speaker 1: to just ignore that work?

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Speaker 2: So what we know is that Labour set up a

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Speaker 2: treaty office and spent four point three million dollars of

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Speaker 2: taxpayers money funding an eighty five page report that's fifty

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Speaker 2: now been closed. The report is now on the shelf,

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Speaker 2: and yet after the referendum, the number one issue Natasha

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Speaker 2: There are real tangible issues in our communities right across

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Speaker 2: a difference. The time for talk is well and truly over.

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Speaker 2: People have had a gut full and the high vote

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Speaker 1: People voted yes in the Bush.

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Speaker 2: Because they were desperate for change and that's what the

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Speaker 2: COLP is going to deliver. That's where we're out working

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Speaker 2: so hard to create a new style of local government

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Speaker 2: that is going to re empower Aboriginal territory.

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Speaker 1: But it's the old style of local government. You're going back,

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Speaker 1: You're going back to the old style of local government.

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Speaker 2: No, no, we're not. We've recognized that in TV.

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Speaker 1: Are you're going back pre what you were, you know,

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Speaker 1: pre the super shiers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, no yet pre supershires.

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Speaker 1: No no, see the old style of government.

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Speaker 2: No, no, it's not. What we're doing is saying that

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Speaker 2: the supershires don't work, the regional counsels aren't delivering for

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Speaker 2: aren't my words, Katie, this is every single time we're

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Speaker 2: in a remote community, Aboriginal people talk to us about

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Speaker 2: needing smaller local government. So we're excited about forging a

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Speaker 2: new pathway forward, a new style of local government and

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Speaker 2: empowerment on the ground that is driven and developed by

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Speaker 1: Aliah, we are going to we are going to have

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Speaker 1: to leave it there. I appreciate your time as always,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for joining us and let us

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Speaker 1: know what happens today in parliament.

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Speaker 2: Will do take care of you