WEBVTT - TNC Review: Protein Breads 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.880 Are you a carb or more specifically, bread lover. Have 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:07.000 you tried one of the new protein braced, lower carb 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:11.680 loafs in supermarkets? And more importantly, are they actually healthy? Today? 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.440 On the Nutrition Couch product review, we take a closer 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.960 look at two of the popular protein breads you can 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:19.799 find at supermarkets and see if they really are a 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:20.440 better choice. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.680 Nutrition lead Hi, I'm Susi Burrow and I'm LeAnn Wood, 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:24.560 and we bring you the. 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.640 Nutrition Couch, a bi weekly chat on everything you can 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:29.200 find in the supermarket. 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:30.040 Now. 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:34.239 Leanne bread is controversial. Indeed, whenever I put any kind 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.519 of post up on my socials about bread, we get 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.879 a lot of feedback, and from our Nutrition Couch listeners, 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.120 we've had a lot of questions about bread in the 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:45.120 nine months or so we've been recording, and I think 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.680 one of the biggest changes in supermarkets is that we've 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:50.600 seen more and more protein breads, and I find my 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.920 clients get quite confused because there's low carb, high protein, 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.880 then there's lower carb which may not be necessarily high protein. 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.000 So we thought it was a really good opportunity for 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.480 us to break down a couple of these brands, and 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.679 we've chosen there's a few different ones out there, and 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.880 the other feedback we get is people will say, why 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:12.759 didn't you choose this one? And for full transparency, none 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.200 of these segments are sponsored. Certainly, if we ever do 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.080 revert to a sponsored product segment, we will be very 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.960 transparent on that. So these come down to products that 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:25.000 Leanna and I are familiar with. There's a particular reason 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.800 we may want to discuss it, we may really like it, 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.000 or sometimes it's just what we have time to quickly 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:35.199 put together. It really is random. Now for full transparency, again, 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:39.440 I've chosen two for quite specific reasons. I've chosen the 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.080 Herman Brothers Lower cub loaf, which was one of the 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:46.520 first available in Audi Supermarket because they bake for Audi. 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.440 So I've chosen that because yes it's a specialty bread 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.280 and you can get it in coals, but it's also 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.559 the same nutritionals as the high protein low car breadth 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.600 that's available in Audi, so it's ticking both of those boxes. 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.160 And that was a really revolutionary company who brought one 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.960 of the first ones to market. And then I've chosen 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.960 also the Woolies Macro myself just because I quite like 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.200 the profile of it and they've got quite a wide range. 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.640 They've got English muffins and bread rolls as well. So 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.520 as I said, there's no personal reason we choose it 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.720 other than we might like it, be interested in it, 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:18.399 or it just comes up when we're doing a quick 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.240 search so that's the background to that, or it's available at. 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:23.680 The shops when we're searching for products. 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:25.720 We do try and really choose products that are readily 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:27.880 available for people too. And as I said, the reason 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.000 I like this Herman Brothers one is that is the 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.640 AUDI product too, So it's ticking both of those boxes 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.520 for people who like to shop at Audi as I 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:40.680 often do for some great savings. So this is an 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:42.400 interesting product because it was, i want to say, the 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.919 first lower car bread that was widely available. It's got 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:49.120 five health star rating in Audi. It retails for about 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.520 five dollars a loaf, and it's slightly more for the 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.000 bread version. I think it's six or seven in coals. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:59.280 Nutritionally per two slices, and the slices of a protein 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.160 bread we want to the main difference nutritionally is that 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.320 to make a protein bread, it either needs to be 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:11.080 a very special flour to concentrate the protein or it 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:14.919 needs to have a very heavy seed and grain base. 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.320 So what that does is really significantly bump up the 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:21.880 protein and good fat content and it lowers the available carbohydrate. 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:25.440 So certainly in the case of this bread, it's slightly 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.560 different because they do it does use a soy protein 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.960 as well to increase the protein content. So and that's 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.120 why the slices, i should say, are much smaller, because 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.840 it's a denser slice, because you're not getting that traditional 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.280 wheat flour that makes bread soft and fluffy. So that's 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.600 the first difference. It's certainly not bread as we would 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:44.840 be as familiar with bread. It's much more like a 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:51.160 European heavy dense loaf. Perserve two small slices, almost channdred 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.880 and fifty calories twenty three point six grams of protein, 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.160 which is huge. Normally in a bread you'd get sort 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.640 of eight grams if it's a heavy grain bread and 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.080 souper market. It does have what would appear to be 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.960 reasonably high levels of fat twelve point eight grams purchase 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.400 slices compared to say half of that if you are 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.200 looking at a grain bread, or even lower. But most 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.840 importantly it's very low saturated fat. As you would expect 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.720 it one point seven grams or less than three percent 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.640 carbo hydrates only five grams compared to twenty thirty forty 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.960 to fifty grams in regular sour dough or larger slices, 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.840 or about twenty four for something like a bergen sugars. 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.520 The sugars, I wouldn't be overly worried. People often think 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.719 sugar is added to bread. It's not the case. It's 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.440 just secondary to the baseline flour load ten point seven 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.160 grams of dietary fiber, which is enormous. So again high 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.640 fiber bread you may get sort of four or five 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.120 if you're lucky. This is enormous because of that heavier 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.600 grain load. Sodium's not overly high for bread at three 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.560 fifty milligrams purchase slices. But the big difference in this 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.560 loaf compared to some of the other ones is I 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.400 said the formulation. So the first ingredients water, followed by 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:01.480 wheat protein, so protein loopine, protein, soy meal, soy grits. 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:06.920 So they're really using a special formulation of protein flowers 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:11.400 to achieve this loaf. So that's quite different. So my 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:16.040 general recommendation with protein breads is First of all, it 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:17.760 has a role and we'll talk about that in a secondly, 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.719 and because I'm interested in your perspective on them with clients, 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:24.720 but I will say to the client's the main difference 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:26.560 is that ingredient list. And if you're someone who's not 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.520 a massive soy fan, it's probably this isn't probably the 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:33.599 one for you because some medical conditions or preferences will 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.760 people will be preferring to avoid soy, and that is 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.279 the difference with this. But in terms of taste, it's 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.480 a great taste. It's very, very filling. My personal use 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.760 of it is as a way to get protein breakfast 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.760 time without using foods like eggs or smoked salmon or dairy. 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.120 So it's really handy for people who are looking for 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.120 a plant based diet or who are over eggs or 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.400 hot breakfast, so they really want to have toast for 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.360 breakfast with a bit of avocado or a bit of vegie. 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.240 But because I like carbs in the morning, I'll then 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:05.560 try and get them to add a little bit of carb, 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.920 which may be banana with peanut butter on the toast. 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.800 It's not low calorie, it can really be quite high 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.200 in calories and if you're then starting to have protein 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:16.680 toast with avocado or with banana and peanut butter, you're 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.359 looking at, you know, a four hundred even up to 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.839 five hundred calorie breakfast. So that's really important to be 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:23.320 aware of. It may be lowering carb, but it's certainly 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.680 not lowering calories, and it really depends on your personal 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.760 dietary goals, but it's a viable option. I do routinely 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.479 use them, and that's probably the main differentiating factor and 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:36.000 feedback I'll give clients is taste, because obviously they do 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:40.600 taste quite different between the brands availability where you're buying 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.480 it from. But also if you're someone with a preference 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.560 for Sawyer'd just be mindful that that is a baseline ingredient. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:47.960 So tell me. 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.200 I've never asked Julia and about protein breads and what 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:51.920 you do with your clients. 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.359 Yeah, I love them. I myself eat them regular and 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:56.240 I recommend them for my clients as well. So I'll 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.920 just clarify that it's the Hermand brought, not Herman Brother 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:02.960 and the Aldi one. If you're looking in it, I 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.760 think it's called the something like the ninety five percent 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.400 lower carb, higher protein Toast so it's slightly different label. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.000 We might wax some photos up on our Instagram accounts 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.240 so you guys can follow along there. And I actually 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.400 came across this bread years ago Ceasy. I found it 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:19.280 in my Ida, my local Ija sort of did specialty breads. 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:21.480 I hadn't seen it. I think it's only recently come 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:23.720 into Coals, but it's been around for quite a few years, 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:25.320 and I've been eating it for quite a few years. 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.520 And the way I see it is that a lot 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.040 of myself included and my clients like to put things 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.360 like jam or honey, like honey and banana on toast. Right, 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.720 So when you're adding honey, which is a carbohydrates of sugar, banana, 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.360 which is a carbohydrate for just to sugar, and bread, 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.200 which is a carbohydrate, you're adding two serves of carbs 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.760 onto more carbs. From a health and a weight loss perspective, 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.720 that's not the best option for the majority of people. 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.080 Let's put it that way. If you're somebody who you 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.440 know is a huge high level athlete, or you're in 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:56.840 eating disorder recovery or something like that, perhaps yeah, that 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.640 could be a great option for you. But for the 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.200 bulk of our listeners and the bulk of austrains. It's 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.360 not a great option to just keep adding carbon carbon 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.600 cap on carb It's not going to keep you full 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.400 for very long, and it just really doesn't have the 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.680 amount of protein and healthy fats that we want. So 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.240 this is a great option. But as you said, for me, 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.120 it's too low in carbohydrates. So I use this to 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.840 tick my protein and my fiber box. Ten point seven 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:21.040 grams of fiber in two slices is unreal It is amazing. 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.160 For some people who have a sensitive gut, it might 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.200 be too much. They might find themselves running to the bathroom. 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.840 But for the majority of healthy people it's a great load. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.319 And because it's super low in carbohydrate, then you can 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.000 actually put your carbohydrate on the toast without any issues. 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.599 So adding something like jam and fruit on top of 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:39.800 this is an awesome option. So I love to do 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:41.839 something like this is a bit cheeky, but as a 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:43.520 bit of a treat, I might do some like nintella 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.720 and some slice fruit or something onto something like this 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.400 protein bread. But as you mentioned, it is because it's 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.200 heavily based on fats, it is quite you know, more 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.800 energy dense than you know two normal slices of bread. 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:55.760 So I think it's a great option. It's super filling. 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.320 Of course, it doesn't taste anything like white bread, but 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.920 it is it's feeling, it's and it's a great nutritional profile. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.839 But it is lower in carbohydrates. So just having this 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.160 with say some nut butter on top isn't actually a 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.160 great post workout you know, snack or post workout meal, 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.439 because you're not getting that amount of carbohydrate in to 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.040 refuel your muscle. So I would definitely say if you're 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.280 if you're using this option as sort of a toaster 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.360 or breakfast option, I would definitely be putting carbohydrate on that. 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.800 So fruit is probably the easiest option, or a little 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.720 bit of jam or honey or something like that to 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.640 get in some beneficial carbohydrates at breakfast time. But I 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.400 routinely use these myself, SUSI, and also for my clients 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.280 because I think that they're I think they're great options, 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.200 but their price is probably a little something to be 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.600 aware of. It's probably two to three times that of 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.640 a normal you know, well these branded loaf of bread, 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:41.520 and there are a couple of allergens as well. I 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.160 think people need to be aware of mainly wheat, soy 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.280 lupin as well and also balley other allergens in this, 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.400 so unfortunately for as celiacs it's a no no. And 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.480 it's also got some trace may contain you know, milk, 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.680 sesame seeds and tree nuts as well, so it's process 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.240 in a factory that has other products containing those things. 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.440 If you have an alley gin and you're particularly sensitive, 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.800 you probably want to avoid something like this. But I 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.920 think it's overall a great product and really I do 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.280 really use it for a lot of my clients, you know, 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.400 in the right occasion, not every day, but when they 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:13.080 do wants them toast and they're really craving a bit 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:14.880 of honey or jam. I think this is a great option. 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.160 And I will say it originates. It's a German and 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:21.200 French group that bring it here to Australia. I'm just 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.440 checking if it's baked here or not. But hence the 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.600 I guess link to being a very dark, fibrous type 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.679 of loaf. And there's also crackers in the range. There's 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.079 raps I've seen, there's pasta, so. 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:34.520 It's a really it's granola as well. 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.040 It's a really interesting company, as I said, because I 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:38.439 will try and find out in the next couple of 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.480 minutes if it's baked here, but that's where it originates from. 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.040 And yeah, it's a great product. As I said, it's 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.560 really I think spurred Australian suppliers to make a different 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.400 range of lower carb high protein loaws, but I couldn't agree. 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:55.600 I use them as you do as an option, but 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.960 I'm also keen for people to have their carbohydrates for 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.640 fuel in the morning. I'm certainly not eating those and 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:02.520 using them in that space. I also use it as 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.839 a filling afternoon snack, like a slice of that with 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.040 some nutspread or avocado and tomato if people get home 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.319 hungry or maybe they're going to the gym, to give 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.440 them that real full factor. It is quite a dense 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.480 and has that ability to feel So yeah, I absolutely 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:20.720 use them and am really excited that they have been 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.360 around here and encouraged other Australian companies to make similar products. 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.360 Which leads me to the other product that I've chosen, 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:32.600 which is the Woolli's Macro brand, which is a small 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:36.240 green loaf that sometimes in the health food section at Willies, 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:40.000 sometimes in the main grocery. Admittedly, I would say it's not. 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:44.479 It's probably more in the metro as opposed to widespread 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.360 Willie shops, just because of the specialist product that it 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.800 is in. I live in the inner city of Sydney 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.800 and certainly the two three four loaves that come up 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.440 at the Woolies get sold out every day. I've certainly 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:59.400 seen demand and increase and probably that's led to them 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.320 to also so now be making the English muffins and 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.400 also the bread rolls I should say the Herman Brot, 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:09.320 not Herman Brothers Herban, but also have bread rolls available 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:13.400 in that Audi branding as well. And I like this 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:17.640 product land. I like the nutritionals of it because its 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.760 first ingredients water, then wheat, gluten, limbed seed, sunflower seeds, 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.920 so it's really giving us a beautiful polyunsaturated fat load 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.280 of those really good fats that we often will we 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.120 only really get from wheellyfish or in plant foods from 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.480 walnuts and limb seeds and sunflower and pepeds, so it's 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:36.280 one of those rare foods that is going to be 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.920 It doesn't list the poly unsaturated content, but I imagine 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:40.800 it would be quite high, which is why I lean 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:45.920 towards it. Similar In the nutritional amounts perserve, you're looking 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.080 at just over two hundred and fifty calories twenty one 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.120 grams of protein. Again, the fat's quite high, almost sixteen 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.880 grams perserve. We're getting a little bit more saturated fat 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.960 two point three because of that seed load. Carbohydrates even 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.480 lower at three point six grams, and funnily enough, Woolies 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.560 are not listed the dietary fiber content. I'm not sure why. 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.440 It seems rather odd that they wouldn't be doing that, 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.000 given it's a real health product sitting in that space. 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.800 So we got any feedback from Willies on why that fiber, 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:12.480 but it would be quite high. I would imagine it 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.680 would be sort of up around that eight grams per serve. 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.520 It's a really nice tasting product, you know. I guess 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:22.000 in food industry are really trying to support Australian brands 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.760 and small Australian brands where we can, but credit where 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:28.440 credit is due. Wilies. It's a good product. It's got 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.480 a really nice profile. If I read through the other ingredients, 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.920 So the seeds are high thirteen percent seed, thirteen percent 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.000 some flower seeds, which is incredibly that's more than a 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.800 quarter of The loaf is from a seeded base, bamboo fiber, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.080 canola oil, so you a flower, vinegar, yeese, so these 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.520 are just minor ingredients to fill it out. So it's 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.880 a great tasting bread. It freezes really well. So we 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.960 should also say we don't generally use these breads to 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:55.360 make sandwiches. They I better toasted. But it's a great 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.560 tasting product that my clients always really enjoy. It retails 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.240 at about six dollars a loaf, I think from memory. 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:01.760 Four dollars fifty. 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.120 Actually I was tenty four to fifty. So I encourage 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.000 people to keep it in the freezer because it's a 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.800 great backup for that quick and easy breakfast if you've 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:10.880 only got some veggimite or as you describe, some jam 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.199 at home, and it freezes really well because of that 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.559 fat profile that will keep it really stable, Whereas you'll 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.120 find that if you leave it out for too long 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.320 that the good fats because of those seeds can turn. 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.000 Whereas freezing it's a really good way to preserve those 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.000 and be able to keep it and really make sure 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:27.880 you're not wasting it, which I think because we all find, 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.240 don't we with loaf bread, we're often throwing it around, 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:31.440 throwing it away a little bit. 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:33.760 And I really like to freeze it because I don't find, 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.240 Susie that these you know, I guess better quality or 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.840 better macro type loaves are good for sandwich loaves. I 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:41.760 just can't eat this type of bread because it's so 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.480 dense as a sandwich. Is not like the nice, light, fluffy, 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.760 you know, sandwich type bread that I like to eat 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:48.960 with my sandwich. Like, I can't eat these loaves unless 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.280 it's toasted. So I just freeze mine anyway, because I'm 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.160 going to toast it. So I do find that freezing 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.000 it is a better option because you know, defrosts quite 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.480 easily in the toaster. I've just looked up on wools 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.880 dot com and the fiber con t is eleven point 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.280 six grams, so it is actually incredibly high. And it 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.360 just because one of those ingredients is bamboo fiber. And 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.280 I'm going to say controversially, a Susi, I actually don't 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:11.280 like the taste of this one. I think it's because 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.400 of the bamboo fiber. It's something to do with the texture. 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:14.880 I just I've tried it a few times and I 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:16.840 can't get my head around it. So for me, I'm 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:18.640 much more of a fan of the Herman Brought one 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.160 from a taste and a texture perspective, but this is 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.080 all a really individualized sort of taste thing. You know, 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.680 one person will enjoy it and another person won't, so 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.120 really give it a well yourself, you know. From a 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.600 cost perspective, it's a little bit lower. It's four dollars fifty. 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.360 Will listed this as a price drop option, so hopefully 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:36.880 that's sort of a price that will stay a little 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.400 bit lower, so it's a little bit more affordable than 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.600 the hermane Brought one. But I don't know, SUSI I can't. 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.240 I think it's a texture thing. For me, just the 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.680 bamboo fiber. I'm not loving it as much as some 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.280 of the other I really do like a nice dense bread, 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.040 so for me it doesn't quite tick the taste sort 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.600 of box. But as you said, the ingredient list is 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:59.200 you know, is excellent really but it is very low 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.840 in carbohydrate and I think in terms of two slices, 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.680 two hundred and sixty five calories for two slices, So 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.800 definitely not a lower calorie sort of bread option, but 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.880 a really really strong nutritional profile for a product like 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.440 this and go wool is they really do have some great, 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.360 you know, sort of better options in their ranges for 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:23.160 people with specific health conditioners or specific I guess goals 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.920 in their life that some of their products really do tickboxes. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.400 We've done their pizza base on the podcast as well, 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.360 very early on, and we really liked that one. 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.520 Didn't we We did, And that will also lead me 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:34.720 to two other points. So actually I just want to check. 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.640 So you prefer the Herman Brock taste wise. 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.000 I do. I think it's more of a texture thing 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:41.640 than a tastes thing for me. I don't think this 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.360 necessarily tastes bad. I just don't enjoy the texture as 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.720 much as what I enjoyed the texture of the Herman 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:48.560 Brot one. That's just my own personal preference. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:51.680 So a couple of things the Herman Brock company do 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.280 bake here in Australia. I've had a couple of feedback 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.320 on my social media that they're frozen breads. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:56.520 Now. 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.600 Supermarkets may be freezing these breads again to prolong this 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:01.880 shelf life a little bit because of these high seeded 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.800 amounts of times. But no, Herman Brot do not import 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:06.520 the bread It is baked here. I've just checked that, 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.040 and the other point I'll make we're not covering in 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.440 this today, but in I have noticed in my Inner 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.840 City Coals that there has been a low carb, high 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.520 protein white loaf. Now I was so shocked by this 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.919 nutritional profile that I actually contacted the Coals nutritionists to 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.840 ask her if it was legit, and they have indeed 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:29.080 formulated a flour, but I don't believe it's widely available, 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.200 which is one of the reasons we didn't cover it today. 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.679 So I believe we will start to see even some 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:39.439 white loaves that are higher in protein, but nutritionally as dietitians, 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.399 we will generally, unless people cannot tolerate seeds and grains, 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.840 we will generally prefer those both because of the nutritional 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.879 offerings they have. And I'm always going to go back 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:51.680 to a grain or seeded bread over a white loafe. 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:53.560 I don't care how much fiber they pump back in it. 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.800 But watch this space because at some point we will 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.720 come back and cover those growing range of sort of 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.080 healthier white bread alternative once I'm sort of certain that 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.919 those breads are widespread and not just being made for 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.800 the city bakeries or on trial at coals at the moment. 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.080 And to your point with in terms of the freezing, 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.840 the Hermon range is definitely frozen. Every single time over 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.719 the last probably four or five years that I've been 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.800 buying that range, it's always been frozen. So and as 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:19.520 I said, I actually before that way because I think 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.840 it is too dense as a fresh sandwich bread. I 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.919 just wouldn't enjoy it as a sandwich bread option. I 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.400 very much will get a fresh, beautiful grain loaf from 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.120 my bakery if I wanted to have a nice, fresh 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.280 sandwich awesome rolls, I wouldn't use that brand as a 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.199 I just think it's too dense for a sandwich loap. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.520 It is really nice as a toasted bread toast option 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:42.040 for breakfast and freezing. I have no concerns about freezing bread. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:45.040 So when someone had commented that, oh, it's frozen, I 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.239 was like, I wouldn't bother me, because to me, that 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.959