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Speaker 1: Get a I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter

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Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as they're lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello,

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Speaker 1: we have a treat for you today. Now, this is

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Speaker 1: technically a hot seat episode. After interviewing Trent Dalton, I

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Speaker 1: then do you want to jump on the hot seat quickly?

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Speaker 1: And he was like, of course, And then of course

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Speaker 1: he answered the questions so beautifully that it needs to

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Speaker 1: be its own Trent Dolton Part two, So he have

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Speaker 1: it Trent Dolton Part two on the pod. Technically a

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Speaker 1: hot seat he answered them with a bit of depth,

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Speaker 1: so it's a little bit longer than your regular hot seat.

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Speaker 1: I hope you love it, Trent Dalton, You're wonderful.

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Speaker 2: What is your name, dear friend, Trent David Dalton?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I was hoping you'd throw a middle in.

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Speaker 2: There for me of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia. Amazing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, if you had a last meal sweet or savory?

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Speaker 2: Savory? Oh? Can I ask what? Uh? Prawn sandwich?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Really, salt and pepper, really.

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Speaker 3: And ideally prawn's caught by my This is impossible because

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Speaker 3: my dad's dead, but caught by my dad Morton Bay.

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Speaker 3: Prawn's caught by my dad sent to me in a

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Speaker 3: dropped at my front door step in a styropham box

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Speaker 3: around Christmas time, and like with a little notes saying

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Speaker 3: love you mate.

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Speaker 1: Can I quickly.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to cry because I said, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Actually I'm going to throw you something right now? Can

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Speaker 1: you quickly share the note that your dad left in

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Speaker 1: your letter box that you put sticky tape on.

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Speaker 2: No, I've carried around with me.

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Speaker 3: It's not in my wallet today because it started a

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Speaker 3: fray and i'd seen a safe place now. I went

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Speaker 3: to the letterbox one day, opened up the letterbox and

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Speaker 3: there was a note from my dad. My dad wrote

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Speaker 3: letters the way Clint Eastwood speaks. It's all very brief.

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Speaker 3: It's like it's like getting a note from Cormette McCarthy

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Speaker 3: and he just said, tramp, you have been a revelation.

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Speaker 2: You have done all the right things. Love it, love

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Speaker 2: your dad. Ah, what a letter what a note.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I sort of did a version of contact to that,

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Speaker 3: just from like little streeks and stick and carried around

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Speaker 3: with me forever. And I sat on my desk as

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Speaker 3: a journal for like for the longest time. And it's

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Speaker 3: now in like our We've got this little ikea thing

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Speaker 3: where we hold our daughters certificates and and and important things.

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Speaker 3: I've got Eddie Vetda's guitar pick. Yeah, and next to

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Speaker 3: that is this letter from bad Stop. It. It's the

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Speaker 3: most beautiful thing I've ever Yeah, one of the one

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Speaker 3: of the most beautiful things I've ever received in the letterbox.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you could have a superpower, what would it

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Speaker 1: be time travel? Oh yeah, that'd be nice. That'd be

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Speaker 1: real nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just a massive you know, closet. No, not

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Speaker 3: even closet. I'm quite open about it. Back to the

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Speaker 3: future nerd. Like it's the most meaningful piece of pop

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Speaker 3: culture to me.

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Speaker 1: In my judge, I've never seen no, I know, and

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Speaker 1: I'm a child of nineteen eighty five, Like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Can you when you put it on, can you call

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Speaker 2: me a zoom watch together?

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Speaker 1: I promise you the moment that I watched it, It's happen.

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Speaker 2: Doing it like you and Boss, You and the boss. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you guys are doing it. Man, I'm going to grab

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Speaker 2: a couple of beers and I'll just go I'll be like,

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Speaker 2: wait for this moment. Are you ship?

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Speaker 3: I'm so I'm so happy for you if I had Okay,

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Speaker 3: here's what I'd do. If I could time travel, I'd

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Speaker 3: go back to nineteen eighty five, to the time when

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Speaker 3: I hadn't seen back to the future, and I watch

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Speaker 3: it for the first That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: That's how much it means to me.

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Speaker 1: Is this where the Michael J. Fox love came?

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Speaker 2: That's where it all began. Oh, I love where it started.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So there's two questions about fear. So one is

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Speaker 1: do you have one? And the second one is do

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Speaker 1: you have an irrational feel Like? I have an irrational

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Speaker 1: fear that there's because I live in Byron, that there's

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Speaker 1: I have to pull the check. Good, right, So that's

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Speaker 1: my irrational fear. But do you It's two questions, why

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Speaker 1: do you have a fear?

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Speaker 2: Fear?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, then do you have an irrational one?

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Speaker 3: My you know, my first genuine fear is just just

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Speaker 3: another sixty years with my daughters. Yeah, and my irrational

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Speaker 3: when the lights are off, there's moonlight behind the glass.

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Speaker 3: And my irrational fear is seeing man just staring at me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, can I say, in Lola in the mirror, I

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Speaker 1: love there was a little sneaky serial killer situation, Like

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Speaker 1: I love that you through that.

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Speaker 3: I wonder actually now you say that whether he does

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Speaker 2: He's just there standing.

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Speaker 3: There's something so terrifying to me about a stranger standing

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Speaker 2: That's my irrational fear.

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Speaker 3: Men aged about fifty five in a wood just stare

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Speaker 3: in darkness, staring at my rider's room kind of sliding

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Speaker 3: why the hell would that guy be there at nine

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Speaker 1: Gee, I don't know if you've seen this as I'm

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Speaker 1: sure your daughters will know about this, but there is

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Speaker 1: a TikTok trend right now where get ready for your

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Speaker 1: daughter's film me because I just did this to my

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Speaker 1: boyfriend where you ask either your dad or partner if

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Speaker 1: how often they think about the Roman Empire? Right, And

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Speaker 1: usually someone will say to you, A male will say

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Speaker 1: to you every couple of weeks, once a week, right,

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Speaker 1: us females. We're like, what you think about the Roman

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Speaker 2: Ever, it's big to us men. It's big, right, it's got.

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Speaker 1: To do the whole the masculinity thing and creating an

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Speaker 1: in LA, I literally can I will be like, that

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Speaker 2: Of films really awful. Yeah right, totally.

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Speaker 1: But it's also it's also interesting because like, oh wow,

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Speaker 1: see it. But yeah, the Roman Empire thing, get ready

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Speaker 1: When that happens, you'll be like, I know what's coming here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, once a week. Yeah yeah, yeah, So there

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Speaker 1: It's true. Okay, do you have a favorite city? I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, Brisbane, I mean, and it's you know, it's

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Speaker 3: and it would be New York.

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Speaker 3: I only saw it for the first time, you know,

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's something so magical about it. See when I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have to give Sorry, it's a hot

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Speaker 3: This is a it's my one of my all time

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Speaker 3: chlorine from the Sandgate swimming pool. But then there's this

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Speaker 3: and I we had this thing in our family called MPH.

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Speaker 3: It means moment of pure happiness and by law, as

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Speaker 3: a member of the Dalton family, you have to tell

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Speaker 3: feeling where everything comes together and from that fleeting moment

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Speaker 3: to write about it.

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Speaker 2: Be alive. It's the alive what I talk about in

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Speaker 3: But one day my youngest daughter, it's like son's going

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Speaker 3: had some fish and chips, and she goes, dad, mph ah,

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So it's like, and that's just the environmental side of

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Speaker 3: that's the smell of my youth. And the coolest thing

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Speaker 1: And you know you've got ninety eight percent old factory

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Speaker 3: I haven't said it in a while, but talking to mirrors,

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Speaker 2: You're a fucking Moretta.

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Speaker 3: Really.

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Speaker 2: How embarrassing?

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Speaker 1: Embarrassing, Like I'll get nervous for big guests, like you

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Speaker 1: I'm learning so much from you. Final final, final question,

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Speaker 1: my friend, what is the best gift you've been given?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Sky blue Oliverti typewriter from my best mate's mum that stories.

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Speaker 3: because kath Kelly lives such a rich life that late

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Speaker 3: And we're there toasting her, and I turned to Kel

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Speaker 3: and he says, she wanted you to have it, best

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Speaker 1: That was the moment that I messaged you because I'd

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Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, Yes, what a gift, What an amazing gift.

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Speaker 3: And she ties back to that stuff I'm telling you

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Speaker 3: It's that that type of human being. It's just like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're well on your way if you're

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Speaker 1: not there already. Thank you so much, Trent Dalton. You've

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Speaker 3: One of the great pleasures of my life. Lola, thanks

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Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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