1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Calcuttin woman from Gadighal Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Friday, 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 2: the second of September. 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Sam. A UN report. 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 2: Has found China's treatment of wigas maybe a crime against humanity. 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: We're going to tell you everything you need to know 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: in the deep dive, But first Sam, what is making 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: headlines this morning? 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 3: Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi announced on the first day of 15 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 3: the Jobs and Skills Summit that there would be one 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: hundred and eighty thousand fee free TAFE places funded by 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 3: the Austrailian government next year. The scheme will cost one 18 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 3: point one billion dollars and will be funded between the Commonwealth, 19 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: state and territory governments. 20 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: The federal president of the Australian Medical Association has said 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: he is puzzled by the National Cabinet's decision to reduce 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: the mandatory COVID nineteen isolation period from seven to five days. 23 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: Speaking in Canberra this week, Professor Steve Robson called for 24 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: the health advice informing the decision to be released and 25 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: dismissed comparisons of COVID nineteen to other illnesses such as 26 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: the flu. 27 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 3: There's some new data from core Logic. They've found that 28 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 3: Australian house prices fell by one point six percent in August. 29 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: It marks the largest monthly decline since nineteen eighty three. 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: The biggest drops were felt in Sydney, which was two 31 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: point three percent down and Brisbane, which was one point 32 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: eight percent down. With prices unlikely to stop falling until 33 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: interest rates stop rising, and. 34 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: The good news, the Matildas will begin their two game 35 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: friendly series against Olympic champions Canada in Brisbane tomorrow. The 36 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: first game will be played at Suncorp Stadium, while the 37 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: second will be played at Sydney's newly opened Alliant Stadium 38 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 2: on Tuesday night. 39 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 3: Just quick heads up, Today's deep Dive contains some pretty 40 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 3: disturbing content. If this is not the day to listen 41 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 3: to it for you will speak to you again on Monday. 42 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: So, the United Nations Human Rights Office has released a report, 43 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 2: and that report is looking at human rights violations by 44 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: the Chinese government against the Weiga community and other ethnic minorities. 45 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: It found credible evidence of serious human rights violations, including torture, 46 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: and it's concluded that the Chinese government's actions may actually 47 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: constitute crimes against humanity. 48 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 3: This is a big story. What do I need to 49 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: know first up? 50 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: Okay, So a bit of context. The Shingjang region is 51 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 2: a large territory in northwest Chin. It is home to 52 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: a large population of the predominantly Muslim Wiga ethnic group. 53 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: So when we're talking about Wigas, we're talking about this 54 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: specific ethnic group, but there are also other predominantly Muslim 55 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: ethnic groups in that region as well. Although the Shinjang 56 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 2: region has strong economic importance for the country, its population 57 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: is one of China's poorest, and there have long been 58 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: suggestions of government discrimination against Muslims in that region. In 59 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, the Chinese government launched a campaign called Strike Hard, 60 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: which it says was to combat terrorism and extremism in 61 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: the region. 62 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: So we've known about alleged human rights abuses in this 63 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: region for a while. What led the UN to look 64 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: into this now? 65 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: So the investigation was prompted by several public allegations of 66 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: human rights violations, but also reports of a dramatic increase 67 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: in disappearances, as well as reports of imprisonment, torture, and 68 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: sexual violence at re education camps. 69 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: And what did the UN detail in its report? 70 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: Well, the UN found the laws China used to put 71 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: people in prisons or these re education camps were vague, 72 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: they were subjective, and they were discriminatory. China's definition of extremism, 73 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: which they use as a justification for putting people in 74 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 2: these camps, includes things like refusing to watch state approved 75 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: radio and TV, having a beard or wearing a hijub, 76 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: refusing to drink or smoke, or giving a child a 77 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: Muslim name, and refusing participation in quote normal activities such 78 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: as football. 79 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 3: So basically, the report found that people are being detained arbitrarily. 80 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: Well, the Chinese government claimed its re education centers are 81 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: an alternative to prisons and quote attendees are treated well. 82 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 2: But people interviewed by the UN said they were forcibly 83 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: detained and didn't have a release date. Some said they 84 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 2: weren't able to contact family, and that their families didn't 85 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: know where they were. When they were allowed to call 86 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: their families, detainees were told to say that everything was fine. 87 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 3: You mentioned before some concerning theme around alleged torture and 88 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: sexual violence at these camps. Did the UN report confirm 89 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 3: that that's happening? It did so. 90 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: The report said the experiences that the UN had heard 91 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: about does amount to torture, things like beatings with electric batterns, 92 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 2: prolonged solitary confinement, constant hunger, sleep deprivation, and forced injections. 93 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: Detainees also said they were not allowed to speak their 94 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 2: own languages or to pray, and were forced to sing 95 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: patriotic songs and this is a quote as loud as possible, 96 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: until it hurts, until our faces become red and our 97 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: veins appeared on our face. There were also several reports 98 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 2: of sexual violence. 99 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: What do we know about the treatment of minorities outside 100 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: the camps? 101 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: Okay, So, something that came up in this report was 102 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 2: surveillance in the province of Shingjang using facial recognition, birth 103 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: control measures including forced IUD placement and the removal of mosques. 104 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: There were also reports of a home stay program where 105 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 2: officials stayed in people's homes to monitor them. While the 106 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: Chinese government says the program is designed to make friends, 107 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: the investigation found reports of sexual harassment by officials. 108 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: This is a lot to take in. Were there any 109 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 3: sort of recommendations from the report? Well? 110 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: The report called on China to release everyone held arbitrarily 111 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: and to stop all intimidation. It found that China's legal 112 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: system was quote deeply problematic, and that it had committed 113 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: serious human rights violations. It also found the allegations of 114 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: torture or ill treatment are credible, as are allegations of 115 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: individual incidents of sexual and gender based violence. The report 116 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: found these quote may constitute international crimes, in particular crimes 117 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: against humanity. 118 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 3: And talk me through the Chinese government's response to all 119 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: of this. 120 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: Yes, So, the UN included a response from the Chinese 121 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: government in its report. China says it firmly opposes the 122 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 2: publication of this report and said that it's quote based 123 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: on disinformation and lies, and that its smears and slanders 124 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: China interferes in China's internal affairs, and then finishes by 125 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 2: saying people of all ethnic groups in Qingjang are living 126 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: a happy life in peace and contentment. 127 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 3: It's been notoriously hard for us to get a true 128 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 3: understanding of what's been happening in the Shinjang region to 129 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 3: the week is, so I found this report really illuminating 130 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 3: in filling some of those gaps in our knowledge. 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