1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Friday, 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: the twentieth of September. I'm Emma, I'm Zara, a new 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: TV show has started a conversation about diversity in media 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: and the representation of autistic people in Australian workplaces. The 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: Assembly on ABC features a collective of autistic journalism students 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: mentored by ABC veteran journalist Lease Sales. Over six episodes, 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: we see the students interview some of Australia's biggest names, 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: from Hamish Blake to the Prime Minister. This feel good 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: series has not only entertained audiences, it started a broader 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: discussion around representation, highlighting the strengths of neurodiversity in a 13 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: way you might not have seen on screen before. To 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: well us through The Assembly and its broader impact, We're 15 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: very excited to be joined by Lee Sales herself in 16 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: today's deep dive. But first, Zara. What's making headlines. 17 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 3: Australia's population has officially passed twenty seven million. That's according 18 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: to the latest figures from the Australian. 19 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: Bureau of Statistics. 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 3: The population grew by more than six hundred thousand in 21 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: the twelve months to March twenty twenty four. Net overseas 22 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 3: migration that's the number of people who arrived in Australia 23 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: minus the number of people who left, was a key 24 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 3: driver of population growth, with the rest made up of 25 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 3: new births. WA had the fastest growing population, while Tasmania 26 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: saw the slowest growth. 27 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: Australia's unemployment rate remained unchanged at four point two percent 28 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: in August. According to the latest ABS figures. The unemployment 29 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: rate reflects the percentage of people who were looking for 30 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: work but couldn't find any. This figure is ceas nearly adjusted, 31 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: meaning the ABS that's the Australian Bureau of Statistics has 32 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: removed the effects of calendar specific patterns from the data, 33 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 2: like fruit picking in summer or Christmas casuals in retail 34 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: in December. Over the last two months, unemployment has been 35 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: at its highest since November twenty twenty one, despite the 36 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 2: number of employed people increasing. 37 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: Some ex users in Brazil have regained access to the 38 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 3: platform after an automatic update the Spider nationwide ban imposed 39 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 3: by the country Supreme Court last month. According to the 40 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: Brazilian Association of internet and telecommunications providers. X changed network 41 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: providers to a service that has more efficient resistance against blocking. 42 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: In a statement, X said the switch was to continue 43 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: providing optimal service to our users, and the renewed access 44 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: for some Brazilian users was inadvertent and temporary. It said, quote, 45 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 3: we expect the platform to be inaccessible again shortly. If 46 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: you want to understand more about the context of this story, 47 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 3: we did do a podcast on X and Brazil a 48 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 3: little while ago, so we will throw that link in 49 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 3: today's show notes. 50 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: And today's good news. Norway has become the first country 51 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: in the world to have more electric cars than petrol 52 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 2: cars on its roads. The director of the Norwegian Road 53 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: Federation called the milestone historic, attributing the uptake of EV's 54 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: to government incentives including lower taxes, tolls and parking fees 55 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: for evs, as well as bus lane exemptions. The federation 56 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: says the country's new challenge will be to have EV's 57 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: outnumbered diesel powered cars, which is projected to be achieved 58 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. We'll be back with the Deep 59 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: Dive right after this. The new ABC doco series The 60 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: Assembly has captured the hearts of many It's a show 61 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: that's brought conversations about autism and diversity in media to 62 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 2: a mainstream audience. And who better to talk us through 63 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: the impact of The Assembly than the woman who mentored 64 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: its cast. Lee sALS is one of Australia's most prominent journalists, 65 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: a renowned interviewer, and we are delighted to have her 66 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: on the podcast today. Lee Sales, Welcome to the podcast. 67 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having. 68 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 2: Me, Thank you for being here. We're talking today, of course, 69 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: about The Assembly, a show that brings together a group 70 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 2: of autistic people who are interested in pursuing journalism. But 71 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: for anyone listening who might not have seen the program, 72 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: how would you describe it in your words? 73 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: Okay? 74 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 4: It's fifteen autistic people who are given some training in 75 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 4: the basics of journalism and then I work with them 76 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 4: as a mentor. Then they every week are told that 77 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 4: they're going to be interviewing a celebrity or a sports 78 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 4: person or some other notable Australian. I work with them 79 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 4: to help them craft the questions, and then as a 80 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 4: group they interview that one person. 81 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: What was that mentoring process like for you? Had you 82 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: ever done anything like that before? 83 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 4: I actually after I finished anchoring seven point thirty, one 84 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 4: of the things I asked the ABC was to try 85 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 4: to do a job that carved out more time for 86 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 4: me to work with other reporters and younger reporters to 87 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 4: pass on some knowledge and skills. I really love doing that, 88 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 4: so that's actually part of my job description to do that. 89 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 4: So I do that quite a lot around the place 90 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 4: in the ABC, So that side of. 91 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: It wasn't new to me. 92 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 4: What was new to me was dealing with all the 93 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 4: different kinds of people who because autism is such a 94 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 4: wide variety of presentations, so everyone's kind of different. So 95 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 4: dealing with all these people to try to assist them 96 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 4: to find what they wanted to ask, and to also 97 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 4: just give them the confidence to do it, because it's 98 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 4: a big thing to have to stand up in front 99 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 4: of everyone and ask questions of the Prime Minister or 100 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 4: something like that. 101 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I wanted to talk to you a little 102 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 2: bit about how you kind of developed that trust and 103 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: you helped those journalists feel safe. Obviously a diverse range 104 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: of comfort and experience levels and skills. There's this disclaimer 105 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: that one of the students leads at the start of 106 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: each interview that I really loved, where you know, they 107 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: kind of established that this is a safe space, that 108 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: you know, the talent are in a safe space, there 109 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: are no questions off the table. How did you navigate 110 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: helping them feel safe and confident and trusted. 111 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 4: I think there are a couple of layers to it. 112 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 4: One of the really important ones was that the producers 113 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 4: of the show, which was a production company called Helium 114 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 4: in conjunction with the ABC, worked very closely with a 115 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 4: group called Aspect, which is an autism body to kind 116 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 4: of create a space that people would feel comfortable with 117 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 4: and to use them as consultants for advice about how 118 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 4: to create a space that's ticking all the boxes you 119 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 4: need for television in terms of lights and equipment and 120 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 4: the whole rigamarole, but to also make it autism friendly. 121 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: And so before I would even get. 122 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 4: Involved, there was already a level I guess of comfort 123 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 4: and familiarity and people being made to feel like we're 124 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 4: here to make you feel like you know, this is okay. 125 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 4: But then also for me, I think it's the same 126 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 4: thing that makes anyone comfortable in an interview, which is 127 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 4: just listening really carefully to them and making it about 128 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 4: them and not about you. So I would always try 129 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 4: to be paying attention and getting to know everyone and 130 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 4: making them feel like I was interested in them and 131 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 4: cared about them, which I did. And I think that 132 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 4: people just sense that if you're genuine about that, and 133 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 4: that that enables people to feel kind of relaxed. And 134 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 4: even you know, in my job, when I'm interviewing people, 135 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 4: I'm all the time trying to give people that sense 136 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 4: that they're in a kind of safe place. 137 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 138 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: Similarly, for the talent, was there a bit of navigating 139 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: their concerns or their insecurities about what they were walking into. 140 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 4: Definitely, so, because I think for the talent, the show 141 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 4: had never been on before, so they didn't really have 142 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: anything to compare it to or to know what to expect. 143 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: And so you can imagine the pitch. 144 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 4: You know, you're in the prime Minister and go, Okay, 145 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 4: we've got fifteen autistic people. They're all going to interview 146 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 4: you at once. They can ask whatever they like. It'll 147 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 4: go for an hour and a half and once we 148 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 4: get going, I'll have limited control over the situation. 149 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: It's not the most we. 150 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: Can possibly go wrong for a politician. 151 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 4: Exactly so I think, you know, for everyone who agreed 152 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 4: to be in it, I so appreciated it because there 153 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 4: was a bit of trust involved that it's going to 154 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 4: be okay, and I thought that was just really wonderful 155 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 4: that they were all willing to kind of give it 156 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 4: a go. 157 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: So that was lovely. 158 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: A lot of the students involved, we hear a bit 159 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: about their personal lives, and many of them have experienced bullying, loneliness, isolation. 160 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: What was the. 161 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: Significance of giving those people access to some of the 162 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: most influential names in the country, not only sitting them 163 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: in the same room, but giving them their time. 164 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 4: It was so lovely to be around it because the 165 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 4: group of students would always be so thrilled and excited 166 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 4: about whoever was coming in, and so that was just 167 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 4: so nice because you know, I've been a journalist for 168 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 4: thirty years, and so when the Prime Minister's coming in, 169 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 4: I tend to just feel nervous and worried and anxious 170 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 4: and pressure, whereas for this group, they'd be like, oh 171 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 4: my god, I am going to be talking to the. 172 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: Prime minister right. 173 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 4: So it just reminded you what a privilege that is 174 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 4: that we get to do that. In journalism all the time, 175 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 4: and it was just such a kind of positive environment 176 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 4: to be around. Because the other thing, too was the 177 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 4: nature of the questions and the way they were asked. 178 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: There was never really an agenda. 179 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 4: It was just whatever they were interested in or curious about, 180 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 4: and so that also was a different kind of vibe 181 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 4: to what media interviews or press conferences can be like. 182 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: So it was just lovely being around it. 183 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was that kind of lack of agenda that 184 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: I noticed really put the interview subjects at ease in 185 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: a way I hadn't seen before. We've all seen Anthony 186 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: Albanezi interviewed one hundred times, You've interviewed him a hundred times, 187 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: but the kind of relaxed nature of it being a 188 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 2: really pure sort of space. 189 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 4: And you see that from the way the questions are asked, 190 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 4: like just the genuine sort of interest. The other thing, 191 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 4: other than the fact that things were asked without any 192 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 4: kind of parent agenda, was every question, whether it was 193 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 4: a really serious one like what are you doing to 194 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 4: help people with disabilities get employment? Or how many times 195 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 4: have you kissed Jody, everything was asked with the same 196 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 4: level of emotional intensity, and so it's a really I 197 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 4: think interesting experience for the person being interviewed, because it's 198 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 4: this wildly veering rollercoaster that you're never kind of sure 199 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 4: where it is. Ras say, if you come in for 200 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 4: an interview with me, and you're familiar with how I interview, 201 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 4: you've probably got a fair sense of how that will go. 202 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 4: You won't know every single thing, but you'd have a 203 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 4: reasonable idea what to expect. Whereas who could possibly expect 204 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 4: a question like how much money do you have in 205 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 4: dollars and cents? 206 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: Which was what Amos Blake. 207 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: Got A asked that question ruthless but amazing and yielded 208 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: really really interesting It was great. 209 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it too. 210 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: Thinking about then, that sort of divergent thinker's approach to 211 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 2: an interview and that curiosity and positivity that we saw. 212 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: Do we need more of that in media? 213 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 4: Well? I thought it was a fantastic reminder when you're 214 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 4: in interviewing somebody, especially somebody who's been interviewed a lot, 215 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 4: like a politician or a celebrity or a sportsperson, to 216 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 4: think really carefully about what you might be able to 217 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 4: ask them that they haven't been asked a million times before. 218 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 4: You know, what are not the obvious questions, what might 219 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 4: be things that build rapport And so I thought it 220 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 4: was a really useful reminder to do that, and also 221 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 4: a useful reminder for journalists to approach things completely open 222 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 4: mindedly and to not go into things with an agenda, 223 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 4: because I just think the talent can kind of sense that, 224 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 4: and I've found in my own career you can pretty 225 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 4: much ask somebody anything if you ask it with genuine curiosity. 226 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 4: So you can, you know, ask something even quite personal 227 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 4: or offensive if you preface it by saying, look, you know, 228 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 4: I hope this question is not going to offend you, 229 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 4: and you don't have to answer it, of course, but 230 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 4: I just wondered, you know, why did you steal that money? 231 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 4: Or you know, if you ask something in that kind 232 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 4: of a manner, that's far more likely to elicit and 233 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 4: engage response than you know, being on why did you 234 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 4: steal the money? Yeah, So it was just a reminder 235 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 4: of those things, like having that kind of open mindedness 236 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 4: and just going in with a spirit of curiosity is 237 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 4: really good. 238 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: Of course, with the assembly, we had a room of 239 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: fifteen autistic student journalists. That is not a reality that 240 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: is reflected in most press conference rooms, in most newsrooms 241 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: around the country. Do you think that this shows us 242 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 2: that that needs to change. 243 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. I hope that it does lead not just to 244 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 4: employment for the people in the show, if they want 245 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 4: it in media, but even just for them that the 246 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 4: confidence they got from that experience that they might be 247 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 4: able to take into whatever they choose to do. 248 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: I do think that we need to. 249 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 4: Have a more open minded approach to the kinds of 250 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 4: people we employ in journalism, because otherwise there's just these 251 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 4: whole and not just in neurodivergence, in all sorts of things. 252 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 4: There's this whole kind of series of blind spots that 253 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 4: we have. If we just employ people who went to 254 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 4: private schools and grew up in inner city Sydney or Melbourne, 255 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 4: we're going to get a particular kind of people who 256 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 4: are working in journalism, and so we need to kind of. 257 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: Look further afield. 258 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 4: And I think, you know, with this show, what it 259 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 4: demonstrated at the end of the day is even if 260 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 4: you strip aside the worthiness of doing a show with 261 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 4: autistic people, it's just an entertaining show. And so I 262 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 4: think what it proved is you can make an entertaining 263 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 4: piece of television. Forget the kind of diversity goals. You 264 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 4: can make entertaining television with a diverse group of people. 265 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: Do you think there is fear and hesitation from employers, 266 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: you know, the whole from the whole spectrum of the 267 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: production company to journalists and the experience. Are we too 268 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 2: afraid to lean in to those conversations. 269 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: I think there is a degree of that. 270 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 4: And I noticed even when I was doing the publicity 271 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 4: rounds for the show, one of the things that came 272 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 4: up was language. So, for example, you would have noticed 273 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 4: I've been saying autistic people. One of the interviewers who 274 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 4: was talking to me, high profile interviewer, said, Oh, I 275 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 4: was really worried about this because I wasn't sure if 276 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 4: I should say people with autism more autistic people. The 277 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 4: advice from aspect was autistic people. But that's the kind 278 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 4: of thing that makes people feel worried about, well, should 279 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 4: I do an interview about this or just avoid it? 280 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 4: Because if I misspeak, then I could be at the 281 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 4: center of some kind of big controversy and then be 282 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 4: in trouble and everything could fall apart. And so I 283 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 4: think there's two ways we can look at that. One 284 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 4: is I think we all just need to kind of 285 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 4: educate ourselves a bit better about things. But the other 286 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 4: thing too is to make sure when people are well 287 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 4: intentioned and they do make mistakes, that it doesn't turn 288 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 4: into catastrophe. So there has to be kind of I think, 289 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 4: just general understanding and compassion at all ends. But I 290 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 4: do think there's a little bit of fear. 291 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: Did you experience that yourself in the room with the 292 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: journals you were mentoring them, working on their questions when 293 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: you went into it initially for the first episode, did 294 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: you have a little bit of that hesitation in your 295 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: own self? 296 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 4: Not at the point at which I went in to 297 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 4: shoot the show, but when I was approached about doing it, 298 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 4: I had exactly those thoughts about, well, is it all 299 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 4: do side risk for me? What if I said a 300 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 4: foot wrong? Everyone I'll be looking to, you know, kick 301 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 4: me in the pants, you know, like a lot of 302 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 4: things in life. Actually, when you're working with the people involved, 303 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 4: it's completely awesome and fine. It's just the kind of 304 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 4: fear I guess, based around the kind of stuff we 305 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 4: see on social media. You just think, oh, maybe I'll 306 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 4: find myself the target of a whole lot of you know, people, 307 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 4: So that thought did cross my mind, but then you know, 308 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 4: the people involved on the show were just absolutely delightful. 309 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 2: What comes next for these fifteen journals? Have any of 310 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: them gone on to continue pursuing journalism job offers? 311 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 4: So all fifteen were offered a paid internship at the 312 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 4: ABC if they wanted it, and everyone accepted it, which 313 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 4: was lovely. The thing that's going to be interesting is 314 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 4: to see, you know, like, say, for example, I went 315 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 4: to university with say thirty people who were in my 316 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 4: course at the time into journalism. I think within about 317 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 4: two years only maybe ten people were still in journalism, 318 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 4: and today probably only two are still in journalism. So 319 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 4: sometimes people dip a toe in media. They decide, oh, 320 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 4: it's not actually for me. I don't like deadlines or 321 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 4: I don't like not knowing what I'm doing every day. 322 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 4: So you know, it'll be interesting to see of this 323 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 4: group whether anyone's actually decides yeah, you know, I really 324 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 4: would like to do this. One of the great things 325 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 4: has been while it's been on air, various contacts of 326 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 4: mine have wrung me to say, I think I could 327 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 4: probably offer some work to that person. Yeah, based on 328 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 4: like the kind of interests that the different students showed, 329 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 4: So that's actually been just fantastic to see. You know, 330 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 4: hopefully some opportunities come up for people, and so if 331 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 4: we could kind of get to the other side of 332 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 4: this and see some of them landing with some work 333 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 4: that they want to do, I'd be so happy. 334 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: That would be amazing. Just the influence of the right 335 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: people watching the right show at the right time really 336 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: goes to that issue of representation and how powerful it 337 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: can be. 338 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly right. 339 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 4: And also just I think to encourage people, you know, 340 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 4: if you're listening to this, if you ever see something 341 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 4: on TV and you think, oh, I could make a 342 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 4: difference with that, to just pick up the phone and 343 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 4: think who you know, or just drop them a line 344 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 4: via their website or whatever. Because many times in my 345 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 4: career people have rung. Like I remember once we had 346 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 4: a story on seven point thirty about a woman who 347 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 4: had been caught in floods in northern New South Wales 348 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 4: and left homeless. And I won't name the person, but 349 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 4: quite prominent, wealthy Australian businessman rang and he paid for 350 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 4: her rent for a year while she and her kids 351 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 4: got on her feet. Another time, Ben Mendelssohn, the Australian actor. 352 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: He rang. 353 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 4: We had this amazing story about this initiative where a 354 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 4: mum of a teenager with special needs had organized this 355 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 4: kind of dance and it was for other people with 356 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 4: special needs because she said it's hard for those kids 357 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 4: to ever really go to an environment that's kind of 358 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 4: going to be safe for them, and so she'd kind 359 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 4: of organized this thing and paid for it out of 360 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 4: her own pocket and so on, and you know, they 361 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 4: didn't have a lot of money to keep doing it 362 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 4: as a regular thing, but we had footage from the 363 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 4: event and the kids had such a great time. And 364 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 4: then Ben Mendelsson was watching the ABC on iView in 365 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 4: LA and then he got in touch to say I'll 366 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 4: pay for another one of those things, and so he 367 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 4: just paid for them to have another one. 368 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: Wow, yeah that is so cool, so cool. Yeah. 369 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 2: So you just never know who's paying attention total cares 370 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: and what a difference they might And you can really 371 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 2: really make a big difference to somebody if there are 372 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: employers watching the assembly thinking gosh, I've been wrong about 373 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 2: autistic people, or I want a more diverse workplace, but 374 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 2: they don't know where to begin or they might be feeling, oh, 375 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: it's going. 376 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: To be too difficult. 377 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: I don't know how to support an additional needs person 378 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 2: or someone on the spectrum or someone who's neurodivergent. What 379 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 2: have you learned about supporting people in that group? 380 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 4: So firstly, there's heaps of organizations you can turn to 381 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 4: for advice on that. So one of them is called 382 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 4: Employee for Ability. So you can just contact those organizations 383 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 4: and say, look, i'd like to have more diversity in 384 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 4: my workforce. Can you give me some information. There's plenty 385 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 4: of information just on their websites. And then I think 386 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 4: also the other thing is to just look at your 387 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 4: own employment practices and see have you got things in 388 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 4: place maybe that unfairly weed people out where actually, with 389 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 4: the slightest adjustments, maybe you could have a more diverse workforce. 390 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 4: So say, for example, one of the students on our 391 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 4: show was really badly bullied in high school to the 392 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 4: degree that she's very scared of teenagers, and so it's 393 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 4: hard for her to commute in peak hour because you're 394 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 4: going to see school kids on the way to school 395 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 4: and that freaks her out. So with her internship, her 396 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 4: hours are after so she doesn't have to get on 397 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 4: the bus or whatever when she's likely to run into 398 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 4: school kids. So just little things like that where you 399 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 4: can maybe make some small adjustments that make it easier 400 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 4: for somebody to do your. 401 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: Friends for someone else. 402 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, and often also just I saw Dylan Olcott once 403 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 4: do a keynote somewhere. He's such a good public speaker, 404 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 4: but he was basically saying, also, just ask the person 405 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 4: who's working with you, like, how's it going for you? 406 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 4: Is there anything we can do to make things but 407 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 4: more comfortable for you? How are you managing with this? Again, 408 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 4: people I think sometimes are maybe scared to have that conversation, 409 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 4: but if you do it kind of in a well 410 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 4: intentioned way, hopefully you know it can work for both parties. 411 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 2: I thought Adam Goods was the real master at putting 412 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: everyone at ease. I was so impressed by that episode. 413 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 2: If anyone listening hasn't watched it, and you will only 414 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 2: watch one episode, I think that's the one I would 415 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 2: wish you to watch because it really just sums it 416 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: up so beautifully. He just engaged with them on such 417 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 2: a beautiful level, and it really changed the way that 418 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 2: I think about how you can engage with people, but 419 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 2: just small things like remembering someone's name. 420 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: I noticed that too. 421 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, he really remembered everybody's name and just paid full 422 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 4: attention to every person when they were speaking to him. 423 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 4: All the others, I mean, it was funny. Like Hamish 424 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 4: Blake and Amanda Keller, who were on it, they kind 425 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 4: of came in and I felt like, look, I can 426 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 4: really see why you two are such big stars because 427 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 4: you're just so charismatic and hilarious and everyone loves you 428 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,239 Speaker 4: and they were fantastic, and yeah, it was just it 429 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 4: was a really, it was wonderful experience. 430 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 2: I wanted to finish up by asking you, Lee Sales, 431 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: the master interviewer. You are regarded for good reason as 432 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 2: one of Australia's most prominent interviewers. Did you think that 433 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: you could learn anything about interviewing before this process and 434 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 2: what were your big takeaways that surprised you? 435 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: Do? 436 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 4: You know, interviewing is one of these weird skills where 437 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 4: I think, no matter how many times you've done it, 438 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 4: there's still always something to learn because every person that 439 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 4: you're talking to is different, and so there's no kind 440 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 4: of set formula that you can always follow. There's tips 441 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 4: you can apply, but it's always going to be different 442 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 4: when you're in the environment. And so it's been something 443 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 4: for me over the course of my career that I've 444 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 4: never found ever interviewing people boring or stayed because it's 445 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 4: always different when you get into the moment. I think 446 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 4: for me in that space, it was just it was 447 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 4: more the reminder of things like, Yeah, it's worth the 448 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 4: effort to put in to think up original questions, it's 449 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 4: worth the effort to take something down a different path. 450 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 4: It's worth listening really closely to what the person's saying 451 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 4: and really paying attention, aging with them in that sense. 452 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 4: But there were certain things the students did that I 453 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 4: wouldn't do, and so I wouldn't get to the same 454 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 4: responses they did. Like there was an interview where Savannah 455 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 4: asked Amanda Keller, do you love your husband? Now? I 456 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 4: of course would not phrase it like that. She got 457 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 4: this most incredible answer from Amanda because Amanda's husband, Harley, 458 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 4: has Parkinson's and so it's very much in her mind 459 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 4: how much she loves Harley. So actually wording the question 460 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 4: like that elicited a really incredible. 461 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: Answer from Amanda. 462 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 4: So yeah, there were certain things with the students that 463 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 4: I just wouldn't get to myself because I wouldn't I'd 464 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 4: never think to phrase things like that. 465 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: So season two, are we getting it? I'm hoping. So. 466 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 4: I mean, it's been very popular. It's one of those 467 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 4: programs where you notice sometimes if you do something, if 468 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 4: it's struck a chord, because when I'm out and about 469 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 4: in the community, people stop me and talk to me, 470 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 4: and at the moment every time I leave the house, 471 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 4: somebody will say, excuse me, I just wanted to say 472 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 4: I love the assembly, So it's really sort. 473 00:22:58,880 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: Of struck a chord. 474 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 475 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 4: The funny thing is I can't imagine doing it now 476 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 4: with a different group of people. Yeah, because I just 477 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 4: love all of them so much and it was such 478 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 4: a It was one of those rare experiences in a 479 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 4: work life where it just everyone clicked. The chemistry with 480 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 4: everyone was great. We all love each other. So yeah, 481 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 4: I can't imagine doing it with a different group. 482 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 2: I can't imagine it either because now we've got these 483 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: personalities and everyone's so distinct in their interview style. Yeah, 484 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 2: waiting for it in the interview made it's so dynamic 485 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 2: because you know, okay that guy's going to ask something 486 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: really intense, or I love her, she's going to ask 487 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: something really silly and funny. 488 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And you get very invested in them, particularly 489 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 4: when as the season unfolds, you see little snippets of 490 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 4: people's backstories and you know what their childhood was like 491 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 4: with their families, like and so then you sort of 492 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 4: you know, and you can imagine how much more so 493 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 4: when you're working with them all the time, like the 494 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 4: level of like rooting for them in the moment to like, oh, 495 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 4: come on, ev. 496 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: You can get it out. 497 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's They're just a fantastic group of people. 498 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 2: It was just brilliant, such a beautiful viewing experience. I 499 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: highly recommend that everyone check it out. If you're feeling 500 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 2: a little bit down on yourself and you need a 501 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 2: reminder that being different is one of the best things 502 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: you can be. Check out The Assembly on abciview. We 503 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 2: will pop a link in the show notes. Lee Sales, 504 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on the Daily OLS podcast. 505 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much for having me. 506 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 3: That's all we have time for today, but thank you 507 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: for listening to today's episode of The Daily OS. Tomorrow 508 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 3: we'll be back with good news. 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