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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's.

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Speaker 2: Our next guest is an Australian doctor. You may have

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Speaker 2: seen him on Embarrassing Bodies down Under. He's written a

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Speaker 2: book called Fake Medicine, exposing the wellness quacks and the

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Speaker 2: cons costing us. Our health doctor Brad McKay.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello guys, good morning, Great to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: It seems to be, doesn't it that science is taking

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Speaker 2: a battering, that people are choosing opinion over science. Is

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Speaker 2: that what we're seeing through all of this, Well, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I started writing Fake Medicine before the pandemic began, and

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Speaker 1: then hey, it may as well write a book in

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Speaker 1: the middle of a global pandemic with all of the

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Speaker 1: international borders shutting down. But yeah, we're sort of seeing

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Speaker 1: this with Instagram influencers coming in and telling everybody to

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Speaker 1: have green smoothies, and doctors are sounding more and more

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Speaker 1: boring as we're going through time when we just say

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Speaker 1: to have lifestyle changes and eat lots of vegetables.

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Speaker 2: With green smoothies and things. I mean, I'm reading that

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Speaker 2: a quarter of all our medicines have come from plants,

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Speaker 2: So why is it hard then to believe that tumeric

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Speaker 2: could be good for you?

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Speaker 1: Well, so there is this healthy glow that's put on

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Speaker 1: a lot of products. But what we're finding with tumeric,

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Speaker 1: for example, is that as we're doing more studies for it,

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Speaker 1: what originated by decreasing inflammation in the petrie dish, so

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Speaker 1: with our human cells, when we're actually ingesting it and

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Speaker 1: swallowing it as human beings, it doesn't really have the

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Speaker 1: same effect. So there's many other hurdles that it has

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Speaker 1: to encounter rather than dripping it onto cells and a

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Speaker 1: petrie git, because.

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Speaker 3: It's got to go through the big filtration system, which

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Speaker 3: is your body.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, and it gets excreted very quickly. And if you

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Speaker 1: have lots of tumeric it all. It might taste great

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Speaker 1: if it's on a curry or in your meal, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: like large amounts of it. To try to get it

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Speaker 1: to help out with your outcath ritis, we'll probably just

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Speaker 1: give you lots of the donal Crampson diarrhea.

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Speaker 2: Sure, an expensive WI.

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Speaker 1: Well, some products will get excret through your urine, so

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Speaker 1: and lot of the vitamin tablets that people take, they've

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Speaker 1: already got good vitamin levels in their system, they've got

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Speaker 1: a good diet, and then they're trying to top it up.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of like oiling a well oiled machine. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't do anything, and we're just wasting even like more

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Speaker 1: than five billion dollars of Australian dollars every year in

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Speaker 1: products that really don't do anything and alternative treatments that

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Speaker 1: have no impact on our health whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: I know, whenever I see you at Channel nine, you

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Speaker 3: tisk about me buying armor Force, And even when I

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Speaker 3: go in to buy armor Force at the chemist, I say,

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Speaker 3: have you got any placebo? And they say, I think

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Speaker 3: you'll find it's called armor force. But I'm I'm just

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Speaker 3: a sucker for that. And I've found since I've taken

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Speaker 3: armor Force, and I've taken it for years, I never

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Speaker 3: get a cold. So there is a bit of a

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Speaker 3: placebo effect in a lot of medications, isn't it. Your

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Speaker 3: brain can do a lot to stop you from getting stuff.

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Speaker 1: This is sort of the argument that I get a lost,

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Speaker 1: especially from you in the mornings, if I'm taking it, like,

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Speaker 1: what's the harma doing you? Like? If it is Placibo,

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Speaker 1: then I'm just getting that placeibo benefit, aren't I? But

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Speaker 1: what I find is that some people will not see

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Speaker 1: a doctor like yourself they'll just teak keep on taking

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Speaker 1: arm force, and it's sort of like will often distract

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Speaker 1: from medical care. So, for example, if you've got some

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Speaker 1: weird symptoms that are actually like cancer brewing in your body,

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Speaker 1: and you're taking a supplement to sort of like help

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Speaker 1: you with those symptoms, then you can actually delay getting

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Speaker 1: a proper diagnosis, delay treatment, and then we as doctors

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Speaker 1: are trying to play catch up very very quickly when

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Speaker 1: somebody comes in with an advanced stage disease.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you this, Brad, I have a ritus

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Speaker 2: and I take stuff for my joints. Is that worth doing?

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Speaker 2: Is that stuff good?

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Speaker 1: What stuff? Well?

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Speaker 2: It circulates?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So kirkumen is a derivative of turmeric, so it's

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Speaker 1: like the active ingredient with it. But the studies aren't

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Speaker 1: very are very convincing at the moment. We might find

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Speaker 1: that over time it comes to fruition, but at the

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Speaker 1: moment they're still going to be able to sell it

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Speaker 1: to you, and you're going to be buying it because

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Speaker 1: of rumors.

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Speaker 3: A man is taking you at school. What's that stuff?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? That's great, it's a great pain reliever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So how do we know? How do we know

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Speaker 2: what to believe.

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Speaker 1: Well, read my book Medicine.

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Speaker 3: Get that.

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Speaker 1: It's a book. It's a bit of a personal memoir,

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Speaker 1: autobiography when I sort of like went down all these

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Speaker 1: weird sort of like tangents trying to help out with

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Speaker 1: my own body and my own health problems, and shows

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Speaker 1: how much of an idiot I was as a doctor,

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Speaker 1: going and trying a weird and strange things. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's a book to try to teach people how

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Speaker 1: to think. And yet it certainly buy for your anti

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Speaker 1: vaxer relatives to antagonize them as a passive aggressive gifts.

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Speaker 3: Well nothing, and the astrosenic of vaccine if.

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Speaker 2: You're over fifty, is it okay?

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Speaker 1: Well, so at the moment, you're probably more likely to

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Speaker 1: get bidden by a shark than have a clot from

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Speaker 1: the astrosenica vaccine. So it is sort of like weighing

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Speaker 1: up those risks. I've got a lot of patients who

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Speaker 1: are under fifty you are still happy to have it,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it is worth while talking to your doctor

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Speaker 1: about what the risks versus the benefits.

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Speaker 3: If you were to get a blood clot, is that

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Speaker 3: fatal is a blood clot at the end of the world,

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Speaker 3: or you just take like panet all or something to

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Speaker 3: what's an.

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Speaker 1: Anti blood clott Yeah, so what we're finding at the

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Speaker 1: moment is about four to six people and a million

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Speaker 1: who might get this weird wacky blood clot that affects

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Speaker 1: the base of their brain or around their own testine.

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Speaker 1: So about three out of the four people will actually

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Speaker 1: be fine. One of those people may die from it,

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Speaker 1: and the treatments are like going in and actually like

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Speaker 1: fishing out the flots. So there is a bit of

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Speaker 1: a procedure to have that. You don't really want somebody

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Speaker 1: fishing around near your brain if you don't have to.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't want anyone near my brain.

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Speaker 2: But you don't want to get COVID if you don't.

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Speaker 1: Have to, no, exactly. So, yeah, you're much more likely

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Speaker 1: to have complications from COVID if you're getting COVID. Well,

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Speaker 1: at the moment, there's not much around in the community.

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Speaker 1: But if it was to sort of like jump across

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Speaker 1: our borders and get out there, then numb. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: may be kick yourself if you didn't get the vaccine.

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Speaker 1: This is a this is a query the question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, doctor Brad McKay. The book is right now.

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Speaker 3: It's called fake medicine. Buy it for your andy vaxer friends.

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Speaker 1: Love it, love it, love it good. You will catch

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Speaker 1: up with you, no worries. Thank you always, guys. By

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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's gamenation