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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of the sit Down.

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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Troloe from oz opn dot com and I'm

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Speaker 1: joined this week by my colleague Give Christie, managing editor

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Speaker 1: of Australian Tennis magazine.

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Speaker 2: Have you hey, Matt, It's great to be here with

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Speaker 2: you today.

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Speaker 1: And who have we got on the show this week?

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Speaker 2: So this week we have a legend of Australian tennis

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Speaker 2: joining us in an absolute treat, Sam Stozer, who is

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Speaker 2: coming off a great week in her debut as Australia's

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Speaker 2: Billy Jean King Cup captain.

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Speaker 1: She's kind of the woman at the hour, which makes

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Speaker 1: it perfect. So let's have a listen.

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Speaker 2: Sam, Welcome to the sit Down. It's great to be

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Speaker 2: talking to you today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for having me Sam.

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Speaker 2: I thought we'd start with a few questions around Australian tennis.

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Speaker 2: We know that you've sort of taken an informal role

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Speaker 2: guiding some of the Aussie women over the last couple

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Speaker 2: of years as your career wound down. Firstly, what inspired

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Speaker 2: that and how does it feel to be doing that

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Speaker 2: more formally now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean I guess now being in the

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Speaker 4: position I mean it is more of a formal captain

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Speaker 4: coaching mentoring sort of gig.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, certainly as my career was.

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Speaker 4: Going on, I mean I always loved tennis anyway in general,

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Speaker 4: and would always like the amount of conversations I'd have

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Speaker 4: with different coaches and my coaches and people you know

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Speaker 4: about Australian tennis. It was always, you know, a really passion,

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Speaker 4: a big passion for me. So as I felt like,

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Speaker 4: all right, I can start doing some of that and

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Speaker 4: giving some of you know, myself, and you you know,

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Speaker 4: the later on I played, I guess you sort of

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Speaker 4: become a little less selfish and self centered about what

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Speaker 4: you need to do and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 4: But I just, yeah, I've always taken interest. So I

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Speaker 4: think our players here there's such a great group of

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Speaker 4: people and they try and they give it everything to try,

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Speaker 4: and you know, whether it's one percent more that of

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Speaker 4: information or help or whatever it may be to make

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Speaker 4: them that a bit better. I love that prospect now.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, being in this role, it's really exciting. I

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Speaker 4: was pumped to, you know, get the NOD and now

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Speaker 2: What's pleasing you the most about Australian women's tennis right now.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the fact that we've got such a

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Speaker 4: the top one fifty, one sixty. Obviously we want as

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Speaker 4: many in the top hundred as we possibly can, but

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Speaker 4: if you're not going to be in one hundred, you

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Speaker 4: want them as close to as possible, and we do

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Speaker 4: have a group that are really knocking on the door. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: Arena made it late last year. She's been hanging in

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Speaker 4: there just in recent recent weeks. But you know, it

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Speaker 4: only takes one extra win in a slightly bigger tournament,

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Speaker 4: or you know, you know, you catch a break somewhere

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Speaker 4: and then you get yourself in there, You get into

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Speaker 3: So you know, they're in a.

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Speaker 4: It's a tough position to be in right now because

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Speaker 4: it's hard to play on all right, am I on

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Speaker 4: the WTA Tour, I'm on the challenge of Pro circuit Tour.

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Speaker 4: You sort of in this in and out phase a

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Speaker 4: little bit, but you know, full belief in them that

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Speaker 4: they're going to be able to make that transition. And

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Speaker 4: then once we can do that hopefully, you know, not

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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you to put your WTA hat

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Speaker 1: on now, Sam. This is the week of the clay

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Speaker 1: court event in Stuttgart, which I think has been consistently

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Speaker 1: voted by the players as like the best five hundred

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Speaker 1: or their favorite five hundred on tour. You played there

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Speaker 1: what is it like to play that, what makes it

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Speaker 1: on your schedule so much? Well, once I actually went there,

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Speaker 1: and being in Australia, I would have just been to

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Speaker 1: So I sort of avoided Stuttgart for the early part.

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Speaker 4: Of my career, and then once I got myself into

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Speaker 3: I love this tournament.

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Speaker 4: That was a real mistake. But I think the arenas spectacular.

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Speaker 4: They get really great crowds, you know, the hospitality, the food.

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Speaker 4: We would eat in the main hospitality area with all

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Speaker 4: the big sponsors and corporates and stuff, so if you

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Speaker 4: So it was just all laid on, really done well.

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Speaker 4: And the court I genuinely loved. I was like, if

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Speaker 4: I could ever build a tennis court at my house,

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Speaker 4: I would put the indoor clay court from Stikgart in there.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it was just always a great week.

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Speaker 1: I think I chatted to you last year as like

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Speaker 1: it sounded interesting. You said about the way the court

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Speaker 1: our listeners like, yeah, because it's not a typical or

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Speaker 4: It, No, Because well, one it's indoors, So because it's indoors,

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Speaker 4: So yeah, the base I don't know what the base

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Speaker 4: and think that the grass is going to be fine.

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Speaker 4: It's you know, the humidity and everything else plays apart.

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Speaker 4: So however they've done it, Yeah, has worked often. If

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Speaker 4: rolling garros Is. But the clay sounds quite different to

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Speaker 4: I mean it's a pretty true court. Obviously, there's no

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Speaker 4: think from that respect, you kind of it's a nice

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Speaker 1: It has the best cutoff almost of any tournament in

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Speaker 4: It's phenomenous, like the week before a Grand Slam, Like

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Speaker 4: the highest basically haliberfield they possibly could imagine. So ad

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Speaker 4: know you're going to be playing quality opponents. So that's

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Speaker 4: a great test straight up already, you know the practice

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Speaker 3: So you can do that kind of all.

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Speaker 4: Right, easy way in hopefully play well. You know, you

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Speaker 4: never know if you're going to win a tournament or not,

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Speaker 4: but do well and then it can really set you up.

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Speaker 4: And I ended up loving playing there because I love

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Speaker 4: playing on clay, So it was an opportunity to play

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Speaker 1: And you played some amazing players there in your career.

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Speaker 1: So you made the final in twenty ten and you

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Speaker 1: lost to Justine Enna. You also played a great match

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Speaker 1: I think Sora, I'm mentioning your losses, but you played

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Speaker 1: something in the quarterfinals, and I think you went deep

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Speaker 1: in another time you played Lee Nah there. But totally

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Speaker 1: like these are all Grand Slam champions. What were your

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Speaker 1: particular highlights there of the year. Well, I mean definitely

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Speaker 1: playing Justine in the final. That was amazing, Like I

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Speaker 1: and she obviously with her record at Roland Garross, was

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Speaker 3: In three sets.

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Speaker 4: then beat her arguably more important tournament in Roland Garross.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, that was great. I mean I won the

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Speaker 2: Much did that impact your love of clay generally or

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Speaker 4: I mean, well, like I said, it was the first

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Speaker 3: But once, I mean, early on in my career I

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Speaker 4: My first junior trip when I was fifteen in the

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Speaker 4: me five years to win a match at Roland Garros,

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Speaker 4: whether it was through Juniors or Qualities or majoror whatever

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Speaker 4: And then eventually I guess learned about my style of

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Speaker 4: when I was younger, to be able to adapt earlier

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's I don't know, like claycourt tennis.

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Speaker 4: I love watching claycott tennis. I think the again points

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Speaker 4: like doing some commentary last year commentating for Roll and Garro,

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Speaker 4: So I was like, oh, that's what I laughed watching

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think it is a style and the way that

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Speaker 2: And what was it about your game that brought out

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Speaker 4: Well, definitely my heavy top spin on my forehand. I

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Speaker 4: clay in the dirt, it kind of holds up on

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Speaker 4: difficult positions for my opponents. And then yeah, being able

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Speaker 4: to use my kick surv it was great on that

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Speaker 4: already a kicker doesn't bounce I guess like a typical

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Speaker 4: and that's what I had naturally, and then I was

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Speaker 4: able to kind of use that even more so on

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Speaker 2: Do you miss competing at this time of the year, You.

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Speaker 4: Know what last year it was with the first year

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Speaker 4: I wasn't playing. Watching Roland Garrels was kind of the

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Speaker 4: first time I was like, oh, it'd be nice to

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Speaker 3: Oh, it'd be nice to have a hit on the clay.

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Speaker 4: So I mean, I mean, obviously it's a Grand Slam,

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Speaker 4: and then you know, Wimbledon comes along and then you

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Speaker 4: know everything else. So obviously those bigger tournaments always lovely

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Speaker 4: to be part of. But yeah, I think it's probably

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Speaker 4: that comes around and you're like, oh, I'll just have

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Speaker 3: Let's just go have a hit.

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Speaker 1: You said something earlier about event actually you worked out

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Speaker 1: that your game suits it. Did a coach say to you, Sam,

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Speaker 1: you could be great on this episode? Was that just

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Speaker 1: a realization you had yourself.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember a specific conversation with anyone or anything,

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Speaker 4: but absolutely, working with Dave at that point in my career,

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Speaker 4: he yeah, he definitely would have kind of whether he

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Speaker 4: said it as blatant as that or kind of work

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Speaker 4: the practices and things for them me to eventually work

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Speaker 4: it out myself. I can't remember exactly how it all

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Speaker 4: big part of working with him that it was like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: these are your best shots. This surface can help you

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Speaker 4: create those shots more often and use it to create

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Speaker 4: more spein or bounce, whatever it may be, you can

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Speaker 4: do well here. And then yeah, you work on your

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Speaker 4: movement about it, and you know, put the time in

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Speaker 4: and the effort. And I said it plenty of times before,

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Speaker 4: Like you get a couple of wins here and there,

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Speaker 4: you know, in a more of an comfortable situation, and

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden you start believing, oh, it's not

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Speaker 4: so uncomfortable anymore. So I think it just took time

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Speaker 4: And then yeah, get over that five year loss of matches.

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Speaker 3: On the surface and you're like, oh, this isn't so bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the extreme in going from not being out to

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Speaker 1: win a match to it being like your most productive

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Speaker 1: and successful surface and favorite. Like, actually listening to you

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Speaker 1: talk about it, it sounds like you have quite like

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Speaker 1: a romantic relationship with Claye says, Oh, I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love the points, Like there's a beauty about Clay

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Speaker 1: Contennis that you've seem to really love. It's surprising you've

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Speaker 4: So absolutely Yeah, Now if you ask me that when

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Speaker 4: I was fifteen or six, you got a big joking fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's been great to talk to you today, Sam.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your.

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Speaker 3: Time, no problem, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Well, Matt, that was a fascinating interview with Sam. I

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Speaker 2: was with the benefit of hindsight. It was really interesting

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Speaker 2: to hear her evolution as a clay court player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah sure. I actually didn't quite know just how much

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Speaker 1: she loved it, and I think it was really cool

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Speaker 1: to kind of get a bit nerdy with her and

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Speaker 1: we got into the construction of a clay court in

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Speaker 1: Stuttgart and he heard about her movement patterns and how

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Speaker 1: her game suits a surface and how Yeah, as you said,

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Speaker 1: that evolution of the game. I love that kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fascinating insights from Sam. And isn't it great that

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Speaker 2: she's sort of guiding the next generation of Australian tennis

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Speaker 2: as well?

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Speaker 1: For sure, Definitely the game's in good hands with her

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Speaker 1: at the Helm. Absolutely, we'll be back again next Monday

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Speaker 1: and chatting to another legend of Australian tennis in Paul mcnamie.

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Speaker 1: And in the meantime you can listen to John and

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Speaker 1: the team on Thursday with the AO Show Weekly details.

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Speaker 2: For how to contact us or in the show notes,

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Speaker 2: and please subscribe, rate and review Matt. It's been great

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Speaker 2: chatting again.

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Bit bye for nowe yep