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Speaker 2: We only found out about a week beforehand, and normally

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Speaker 2: But she's she's in the pocket probably one hundred and

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Speaker 3: And there's a reason why she's so popular, and that

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Speaker 3: the chat with Billy Ye. This thing was done at,

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Speaker 3: like we're saying it probably a forty million dollar property.

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Speaker 3: Can't say where it was, but there were views of

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Speaker 1: We can say it's the Sydney Harbor. That's fine. There's

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Speaker 4: People might be able to figure it out. But because

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Speaker 2: Gone there when we got there and then one of

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Speaker 2: oh wow, cool location. He was like, yeah, the paps

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Speaker 1: So I started posing just in you never know.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, we walk down there, walking to the house, and

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Speaker 3: it's it's it's such a surreal experience because you see

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Speaker 2: Through about three security guards. So we're just hanging out

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Speaker 3: Course, and then there's Billy looking over a fence into

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Speaker 2: We chose the latter, yeah, which I think was a

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Speaker 1: Out to her. That's it, yeah, exactly. Yeah, Yeah, would

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Speaker 3: So we sat down in our chairs and I'm pretty

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Speaker 2: I was slightly involved because but what they're sitting out

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Speaker 2: which is incredibly uncomfortable. There's someone there's microphones on these

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Speaker 2: there's plenty going on. Her mum's there, I recognized from

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Speaker 1: There's two cameras on you, two cameras on her, and.

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Speaker 4: She's walked over by this hade and introduced herself.

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Speaker 1: She's casual, she's chill, and me she's so cool.

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Speaker 2: She's wearing a classic cool outfit, which is just you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone else can pull that off at

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, but she can.

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Speaker 2: She's got the seat that the spectacles, the square spectacles

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Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, we're talking about look

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Speaker 1: No, I'll never see a lot of day.

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Speaker 3: But just after I presented the tongue of my shoe

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Speaker 1: Billy.

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Speaker 3: Wow, so lovely to meet you in person. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 3: so much we want to talk about with the new album.

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Speaker 3: But before we get into that, I've heard you talk

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Speaker 4: And there's a game that you play. I don't think

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Speaker 4: Will knows the game. I don't even know the game

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Speaker 5: Oh God, I should have never brought this up to

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Speaker 5: the world. Yes, it's true, true.

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Speaker 4: Can you explain to Will what the game it is?

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Speaker 5: Oh? God, Okay, this is why I can't share things.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Well, it's very simple. Basically, there's a there's two

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Speaker 5: And it's basically like fear. Fear is like, you know,

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Speaker 4: What about for Will and I You've only known this

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Speaker 5: I think fear is in the moment right in front

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Speaker 5: I'm saying. So like, like my first album, When We

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Speaker 5: Happier Than Ever was fart. Yeah, and this new album

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, what did you just right down?

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Speaker 2: I wanna well, I just sorry you just mentioned your record,

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Speaker 1: So I said it before this chat. I was like,

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Speaker 2: I don't normally get intimidated, but I've just listened to

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I've had a bit of time to think

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Speaker 1: Tell me okay, you're ready.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I said, I like words, and I just

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Speaker 2: I've written this kind of like I'm saying it to

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Speaker 1: But it's largely about the last two.

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Speaker 2: Songs, which I think are probably your best two songs.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, particularly together.

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Speaker 1: Thanks.

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Speaker 4: Okay, don't get farty after this, I can see you

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Speaker 2: The outro to Bittersweet is the intro to Blue, just

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Speaker 2: to a New You from brassy open filter. Since, through

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Speaker 2: sultry bohemian serenades, befitting the mul on rouge, you chant

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Speaker 2: refraining many of this record's familiar melodies, you start to

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Speaker 2: foreshadowing a depth which echoes through that final track. For

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Speaker 2: But as your music has grown, so have you, And

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Speaker 2: you but I can't change you. Don't hate you, but

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Speaker 2: is not to be afraid of. That blue as humans

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Speaker 2: victimhood of our father's plans as the violin's wail, the

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Speaker 2: faster we can.

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Speaker 1: See how beautiful that is.

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Speaker 2: Who is this woman, This woman who has documented her

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Speaker 2: most eloquent coming of age art of her generation. This

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Speaker 2: with such ferocity that it now burns like a lighthouse

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Speaker 2: What a gift that is, What a gift you are.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, everybody's gonna cry over there from Will.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well wow, yeah I didn't really know. I

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Speaker 5: When did you read that, like right after today?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you, thank you for thanks for the thank

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Speaker 2: I realized that you kind of I read that Phineas

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Speaker 1: So I kind of wanted to give you a compliment.

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Speaker 2: And just say thank you for everything.

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Speaker 5: You bring up my brother and I'm like, I'm totally fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine you guys actually close relationship with

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Speaker 2: then like the person that unlocks all that stuff within

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Speaker 1: That must be tough. Sorry, I just I've been really

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Speaker 5: Music, Thanks for that. Wow, we all got tears in

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Speaker 1: And I think your shoes are cool.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: Pleasure christ you both have like stunning beautiful blue eyes.

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Speaker 5: It's all.

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Speaker 5: Also hearing you read that, I mean, so well put

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Speaker 5: We're in Australia, and I was, yeah, anyway, I love it.

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Speaker 4: It's just Phineas.

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Speaker 5: He loves me so much and he'll always love me,

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Speaker 5: And it's just so amazing to have somebody like that.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, Wow, I'm so touched by that. What do

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Speaker 2: That's really what I wanted because I was like, how

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Speaker 1: Great you are, rather than do you want to keep this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wrote it down so I could rip it

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I would love to keep it.

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Speaker 5: Also, just what you said after also like so touching

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Speaker 2: Good. I don't know how many people would just eye

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Speaker 1: But I get a chance to write it.

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Speaker 1: Pleasure.

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Speaker 5: That was amazing. Wow, that just made my day. Thank

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Speaker 5: you so much. Guys, are you coming to the show?

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Speaker 3: Yes, next Wednesday, we're coming locked in good Yeah, pretty.

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Speaker 1: Cool, super cool, Yeah, super rattling.

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Speaker 4: We had a chat before Hamah.

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Speaker 3: It was like, it'd be nice for her to have

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Speaker 3: because you'd handwritten.

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Speaker 1: The open letter.

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Speaker 3: you want the letter that I wrote you? But there

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Speaker 3: we'll wrote you? And she like, I think you can

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Speaker 1: Did want those. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I mean, in my head, she's reread that a

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Speaker 2: Same in my head, why is she Yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking pillow case, he sleeps, she sleeps, the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and her mom is sitting there.

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Speaker 2: With just she's clearly been crying quite a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And she stopped me, and I didn't realize it was

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Speaker 2: Can I just say to you because you forget like

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Speaker 2: it's Billie Eilish, right, it's not a daughter, it's not

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Speaker 2: a she's not a girl.

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Speaker 1: She's the star. And her mum said to me, thank you.

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Speaker 2: So much for telling her that, like she really needed that,

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Speaker 2: which just yeah, again validated the whole thing.

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Speaker 5: Was.

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Speaker 1: It was awesome.

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Speaker 2: It was really one of the coolest things I've ever done.

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Speaker 1: Was it felt very good.

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Speaker 3: And if you want to watch it, yeah, you can

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Speaker 3: on Instagram and TikTok.